Decide the Fate of TLLTS mp3's

Post by **dann** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:43 pm

Ogg support is no longer a question, it's a fact and will remain so. What is at stake is whether we should continue to offer TLLTS in mp3 format. Cast you vote!

mrben · Post by **mrben** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:00 am

I think you need to choose your battles - I would rather have the files available in MP3 format so that Windows users can listen to the show and learn about Linux, than have it in an OSS format, meaning that many non-OSS users will miss out.....

If you want to go down this route, delay the release of the MP3 format by 2 or 3 days so that the OGG format is promoted in this way.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:50 am

Or, you could put a link to FreeAmp for Windows users to download to listen to the show. Works on my crappy MS laptop at the office.

DanielT · Post by **DanielT** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:28 am

i'm gonna say "hell yea, lets drop mp3", even if this does mean i won't be able to listen to it on my iriver until i find out how to get an ogg playing on it.

i think you guys should take a stand,

also i see nothing wrong with you guys saying "we are not making mp3's" and then one of you mirror's converting the ogg's to mp3's and putting them in their mirror. that would still have the same effect IMO. the show it self would still be taking a stand.

just a thought.

mrben · Post by **mrben** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:25 am

DanielT wrote:i'm gonna say "hell yea, lets drop mp3", even if this does mean i won't be able to listen to it on my iriver until i find out how to get an ogg playing on it.

i think you guys should take a stand,

also i see nothing wrong with you guys saying "we are not making mp3's" and then one of you mirror's converting the ogg's to mp3's and putting them in their mirror. that would still have the same effect IMO. the show it self would still be taking a stand.

just a thought.

Yes - but converting between lossy formats is never a good thing.....

Martyn H · Post by **Martyn H** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:10 am

I totally agree with mrben. Surely it's about spreading the message. The Link Link Tech Show helped me to realise how many great linux products and people are out there! I'm telling others about you and linux and I use mp3's of the show to help me to do this. After all that's what they use at the moment.

I think mrben's idea (to delay the release of the MP3 format by 2 or 3 days so that the OGG format is promoted in this way) is an excellent idea but doesnt solve your problem of expense.

So my vote at the moment has to be to continue with mp3's.

An i river is on my wish list.

mike · Post by **mike** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:28 am

Since I'm made of meat and not money, I have a crappy little mp3 player that does not understand oggs. I would have to convert the shows myself which would lose some sound quality and I want Dann's musical farts to be of the highest quality. Also it would be a pain in the ass.

Mike aka Whining-Butt-Monkey-Boy

DaveQB · Post by **DaveQB** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:00 am

mike wrote:Since I'm made of meat and not money, I have a crappy little mp3 player that does not understand oggs. I would have to convert the shows myself which would lose some sound quality and I want Dann's musical farts to be of the highest quality. Also it would be a pain in the ass.

Mike aka Whining-Butt-Monkey-Boy

I am in the same boat as yourself there, but i cut the shows up into smaller parts cause if i stop the playback on my mp3 player, to seek back to where i was takes forever.

So i say go the Ogg and this will help promote OGG Vorbis in the mean time and of course save on hosting expense.

Just my 2c

Edit: the idea of delaying the mp3's is a brilliant idea, but doesnt get around the expense problem as mentioned

mrben · Post by **mrben** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:36 am

DaveQB wrote:Edit: the idea of delaying the mp3's is a brilliant idea, but doesnt get around the expense problem as mentioned

Releasing OGGs doesn't _reduce_ your expense, it will merely stay the same for your hosting, and require anyone who wants to listen on the move to purchase an OGG-playing media player, which is likely to be more expensive. In fact, for the price difference between an OGG player and an MP3 player, I could probably purchase at least 2GB of mirroring space......

DaveQB · Post by **DaveQB** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:53 am

I don't follow there.

Using Ogg Vorbis only (or mp3 only) will ~ cut the hosting down by half.

To play Ogg on the move, just run it through a lame bash script and out pops an audio file compliant to your particular mp3 player. Works for me

mrben · Post by **mrben** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:20 am

DaveQB wrote:I don't follow there.

Using Ogg Vorbis only (or mp3 only) will ~ cut the hosting down by half.

To play Ogg on the move, just run it through a lame bash script and out pops an audio file compliant to your particular mp3 player. Works for me

The tllts guys only started posting OGG files within the last month or so. Prior to that they only hosted MP3s. To move from that to only OGGs would not cut their original costs at all. The only change in costs is if they continue to host both file formats.

As previously noted, file conversion between 2 lossy formats is less than ideal. Plus, not as useful for those who download under Windows.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:18 am

mrben wrote:Plus, not as useful for those who download under Windows.

That's why I have my desk in the center of the room to prevent this from happening.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:39 am

You cannot be serious about dropping MP3's! Did RMS melt your minds? Whether you like it or not, MP3's are the most versatile format and therefore the most widely used. If you drop MP3's you limit your audience significantly.

Look at the logs from your mirrors. That will tell you what your listeners want.

Post by **Patrick** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:45 am

Anonymous wrote:You cannot be serious about dropping MP3's! Did RMS melt your minds? ........
Look at the logs from your mirrors. That will tell you what your listeners want.

Yes, currently mp3's are more popular. Listen to both the ogg and mp3 files. The ogg file sounds much better than the mp3. On the ogg, you can clearly hear our belches, farts and screaming kids in the background!

As far as RMS, I agree with a lot of his views on software and freedom. Politically his views are completely opposite to mine.

Ryochan7 · Post by **Ryochan7** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:32 pm

I am really torn on this issue. I regret to say that I would like you guys to keep hosting mp3 version of the show. Like many here, I prefer ogg over mp3. However, I will continue to download the mp3 versions of the show so I can play them on my PSP at the best quality possible. Converting an ogg to an mp3 isn't very ideal for me. The bad thing is that I would also probably download the ogg file to listen to the show on my computer, like I do with Lugradio, so I would be wasting your bandwidth. Hopefully, at some point, the homebrew development community will be able to create an alternative media player for the PSP that will support ogg files.

For people bringing up the issue of Windows users not being able to listen to the show if the show would be ogg only, that is not a major concern. People using Windows can download WinAmp to listen to ogg files. WinAmp supports ogg vorbis natively and it even supports playing ogg Icecasts.

The issue of not being able to play the files on portable audio players is the major issue for me. Especially with the problems that you guys have mentioned on the show about the iRiver and its poor ogg support, it really makes the problem of only hosting ogg files a concern.

Also, since you somewhat asked for additional mirrors to host the show on episode 79, I would like to volunteer and host some episodes in both mp3 and ogg format. My site's bandwidth is limited to 75 GB per month and my site has 2.5 GB of disk space, of which I am only using 68 MB.

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