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Wally Balljacker · Post by **Wally Balljacker** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:24 am

http://wii.nintendo.com/home.html

Come on Adobe, get off your ass. I'm tired of feeling like a second class citizen, due to Flash 8 not being available on Linux. PPC users like Dann and his kids don't even have Flash at all!

snarkout · Post by **snarkout** » Tue May 23, 2006 7:20 am

That's all part of *being* a second class citizen. I'm amazed they're doing any work on flash for linux at all, even if the current iteration does suck sweaty donkey balls. They wont directly earn a single cent from doing this work, and legions of barbarian linux hordes are waiting in the wings to sling shit at them for being "non-free."

thetza · Post by **thetza** » Wed May 24, 2006 5:21 am

flash is one piece of software I can live without. Nintendo doesn't want business from linux users? fine, it won't get mine.

Gomer_X · Post by **Gomer_X** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:14 am

thetza wrote:flash is one piece of software I can live without. Nintendo doesn't want business from linux users? fine, it won't get mine.

After I installed Fedora Core 5, I didn't bother installing Flash plugins right away. The next morning, my wife called me in to ask why none of her web sites worked anymore.

A lot of sites use flash for their menus these days, and the pages don't degrade to HTML. Nobody cares about making web sites cross platform and accessible. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying avoiding flash means you miss out on a lot.

Anybody who would make a site that depends on flash to be usable is an idiot, but it happens more and more.

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Wed May 24, 2006 9:55 am

There's a post on the Mandriva Club forum that mentions someone installing Flash 8 via Wine and it worked just fine for him/her.

Might be a solution... until we live in a fair and just society.

Tsuroerusu · Post by **Tsuroerusu** » Wed May 24, 2006 11:12 am

Judland wrote:There's a post on the Mandriva Club forum that mentions someone installing Flash 8 via Wine and it worked just fine for him/her.

Might be a solution... until we live in a fair and just society.

In order to do that, you need to install the Windows version of Firefox through Wine and use the Windows Flash 8 plugin on that.
Unless you really need Flash 8, I think is it really ridiculous!

Judland · Post by **Judland** » Wed May 24, 2006 12:21 pm

Tsuroerusu wrote:
Judland wrote:There's a post on the Mandriva Club forum that mentions someone installing Flash 8 via Wine and it worked just fine for him/her.

Might be a solution... until we live in a fair and just society.
In order to do that, you need to install the Windows version of Firefox through Wine and use the Windows Flash 8 plugin on that.
Unless you really need Flash 8, I think is it really ridiculous!

Well, I don't cause the problems.... I can only suggest a solution.

Wally Balljacker · Post by **Wally Balljacker** » Sat May 27, 2006 4:25 pm

Some good news: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/arch ... nia_th.cfm

Post by **dann** » Sun May 28, 2006 12:50 pm

Wally Balljacker wrote:Some good news: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/arch ... nia_th.cfm

The only problem with this is that we are still going to have to wait until 2007 for a non-alpha/beta release. There is no guarantee that beta releases will be public either. Really sucks, but I guess beggars cannot be choosers.

Gomer_X · Post by **Gomer_X** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:44 am

dann wrote: There is no guarantee that beta releases will be public either. Really sucks, but I guess beggars cannot be choosers.

Unless we choose to complain to every web site we want to use that requires the latest flash player. Upgrading to the latest technology as soon as it comes out is just not good web design.

Tsuroerusu · Post by **Tsuroerusu** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:08 am

Gomer_X wrote:
dann wrote: There is no guarantee that beta releases will be public either. Really sucks, but I guess beggars cannot be choosers.
Unless we choose to complain to every web site we want to use that requires the latest flash player. Upgrading to the latest technology as soon as it comes out is just not good web design.

Using proprietary technology in general is not good web design, because it takes away some accessibility from whatever you're creating.

vagrant · Post by **vagrant** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:57 pm

Technologies like Flash make me wonder why anyone even bothers with the "Web." What is the point in having free and standards based system like the Web if we are going to be beholden to proprietary garbage like Flash? That may sound a bit "RMSish" but doesn't strike anyone else as being a bit odd that all of these standards organizations and other such consortium are spinning their wheels and churning thousands of pages of specifications only to have such canons simply thrown away in favor proprietary paradigms? Not only proprietary paradigms, but paradigms which do not consider all platforms equally.