Actually, i re-read what I said, and it did come off like that...sorry.<br><br>I didn't mean it like that (update or leave) ... my wording was poor.<br><br><br>-josh<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Joshua McDonald <<a href="mailto:josh@thisisgrow.com">josh@thisisgrow.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Actually, read what I said (I'm not saying that in the "you can't read" tone...damn these internets and their lack of inflection)<br>
<br>I said show a message. Not disable the site. That would never work, for the reasons you said. But showing a "readable" but non "intrusive" message would do wonders. Don't make people use/not use one browser, but show them that there are alternatives. Most people just don't know that one browser provides a better, more secure internet experience over another...<br>
<br>I'm actually working on a campaign like this...a grassroots "switch" campaign...I don't think the outcome would be huge, but I am curious to see what just "informing" people on medium sized sites would do for the awareness.<br>
<br>-josh<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Andrew Jaswa <<a href="mailto:ajaswa@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajaswa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>On Feb 19, 2008 10:51 AM, Joshua McDonald <<a href="mailto:josh@thisisgrow.com" target="_blank">josh@thisisgrow.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div>> They will never get it right. Not with windows, not with IE.<br>
<br>
</div>Bitter?<br>
<div><br>
> What needs to happen, is developers "join up" and stand up for our<br>
> standards.<br>
<br>
</div>We are. Thats what half this group is about, the other half is<br>
providing the best experience to our users.<br>
<div><br>
> Big sites (eBay, MySpace, FaceBook, and major retail sites....etc) should<br>
> team up and show a simple message.<br>
<br>
</div>Umm... I have worked with some rather large sites and worked with<br>
folks who work on other large sites. We CANNOT stop support for 80+%<br>
(or which ever number you want) of our visitors. There is too much at<br>
stake (both in traffic and revenue). As web developers it is our job<br>
to provide the best experience to our users no matter what they prefer<br>
as their browser.<br>
<br>
This would be like going to a car wash and them turning me away<br>
because I drive a Honda. They'll let in Ford's, Chevy's and any other<br>
car you want to throw in there. But not me because I drive a Honda. So<br>
what will I end up doing? I'll go down the street and go to some place<br>
that will let me in. There are more then enough websites out there<br>
where if they won't let me in with my browser of choice I'll move on<br>
to something similar.<br>
<br>
You cannot discriminate on personal preference or browser loyalty. As<br>
much as I would like to kick IE and everything that comes from it to<br>
the curb, I can't. To many people use it, while Firefox has made great<br>
inroads into taking some of that market share away, IE is here to<br>
stay.<br>
<div><br>
<br>
> "You are viewing this site in a non standards-compliant browser. Please<br>
> install a standards compliant browser to continue" and link to FF, Safari,<br>
> Opera (ugh...), etc...<br>
<br>
</div>Don't forget to include IE7 in there heh...<br>
<div><br>
<br>
> If just a handfull of the biggest sites do it, MS's hand will be<br>
> forced...and they might actually get it right.<br>
<br>
</div>Firefox, Opera and Safari already have with taking the market share<br>
from an old browser.<br>
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