Well, that gets you into the situation of choosing between "standards" and "usability" ... standards say to do it that way... usability may be an issue...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 1, 2008 11:00 AM, Christopher Jones <<a href="mailto:chrismjones@gmail.com">chrismjones@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><p>I like the idea of hiding the h2 with media type aural, but does it work? As far as I know, no browser except Opera and Safari even attempts to handle the aural media type. And no screen reader except EMACspeak does either.</p>
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<p>~ Christopher</p></font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/1/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Joshua McDonald</b> <<a href="mailto:josh@thisisgrow.com" target="_blank">josh@thisisgrow.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Some do and some don't...I always thought they didn't, then I downloaded a trial of one at one time...and it did...i read up on it and it seems that some do it, while others don't.<br><br>One thing you can do, is hide the abbr (or the h2...whichever) from the media type "aural". That will make screen readers not read them...<br>
<br>As with everything else...there are 50 ways to do this...and 50 opinions to go with each of those ways... <div><span><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 1, 2008 10:19 AM, Andrew Jaswa <<a href="mailto:ajaswa@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajaswa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>On Jan 27, 2008 6:31 PM, Andrew Jaswa <<a href="mailto:ajaswa@gmail.com" target="_blank">ajaswa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <div id="Header"><br>> <h1><abbr title="Web Standards and Usability Users Group">WSUUG</abbr></h1><br>> <h2>Web Standards and Usability User Group</h2><br>
> </div><br><br></div>When I first wrote this I noticed there is one problem with the above<br>solution. That is that some people/screen readers will read this as<br>"Web Standards and Usability Users Group Web Standards and Usability<br>
Users Group". After mulling over this for a little bit more I'd like<br>to propose another solution (which might fix the issue at hand) and<br>get feedback on it.<br><br><head><br><script><br>function fixHeader() {<br>
var heading = document.createElement("h2");<br> var text = document.getElementById("name").title;<br> document.getElementById("Header").appendChild(heading);<br> heading.innerHTML = text;<br>
}<br></script><br></head><br><body onload="fixHeader();"><br> <div id="Header"><br> <h1><abbr id="name" title="Web Standards and Usability Users<br>
Group">WSUUG</abbr></h1><br> </div><br></body><br><br>Will generate:<br><br><div id="Header"><br> <h1><abbr id="name" title="Web Standards and Usability Users<br>
Group">WSUUG</abbr></h1><br> <h2>Web Standards and Usability Users Group</h2><br></div><br><br>I guess the question then is will screen readers read generated markup<br>
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