From jz at frimmin.com  Sat Jan  2 22:48:40 2010
From: jz at frimmin.com (Jon Zuck)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
In-Reply-To: <2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C@bendixad.int>
References: <AcqJX9g4vBxSqmhwR6ChS1G0QLlCaA==>
	<2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C@bendixad.int>
Message-ID: <64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd@mail.gmail.com>

That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/

jon

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker <
kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:

>
> Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> "Greeking.")
> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2<http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
>
> Kelley
> --
> Kelley Walker
> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>



-- 
Jon

http://www.frimmin.com
http://www.wildwebweaving.com
http://bonege.com/

"Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your separation
from God is the hardest work in the world."
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From jonzuck at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 10:32:53 2010
From: jonzuck at gmail.com (Jon Zuck)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC@metaskills.net>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3B6746.40002@inkworkswell.com>
	<FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC@metaskills.net>
Message-ID: <66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA@gmail.com>

Hilarious!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:

>
> http://xkcd.com/327/
> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>
>> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>  
>>> wrote:
>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>>
>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>> for you. @@
>>
>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with  
>> safeguards,
>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>> conduct white hat research on such things.
>>
>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wsuug mailing list
>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

From jmewhort at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 12:15:40 2010
From: jmewhort at gmail.com (John M)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA@gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3B6746.40002@inkworkswell.com>
	<FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC@metaskills.net>
	<66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3@mail.gmail.com>

Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck <jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hilarious!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
>
>
>> http://xkcd.com/327/
>> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
>> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>>
>>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>>>>>
>>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>>>>
>>>
>>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>>> for you. @@
>>>
>>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
>>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>>> conduct white hat research on such things.
>>>
>>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wsuug mailing list
>>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wsuug mailing list
>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
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From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 12:29:53 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:29:53 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
Message-ID: <424f9b531001040929g257f1d8dod4fec7eb626fc7db@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.

January 5, 2010
6pm - 7pm
Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
back of the 2nd floor.)

(Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to do so.)

Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
(if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
as well as a presentation.)

From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 13:25:06 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:25:06 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.98.1262625858.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
References: <mailman.98.1262625858.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>

i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older
messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, <wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:

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> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
>   2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
>   3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
>   4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
>   5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
>   6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
>   7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
>   8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
> From: Kelley Walker <designlists at inkworkswell.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> >e4h summit
>
>
> they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits with
> Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was
> just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a group
> of us to take it ourselves! :)
>
> Kelley
>
> When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
> Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
> Phone:    (757) 717-9969
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
> From: Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> Message-ID: <4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> > though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>
> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> for you. @@
>
> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> conduct white hat research on such things.
>
> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
> From: Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> Message-ID: <FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> http://xkcd.com/327/
> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>
> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> > for you. @@
> >
> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> > conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wsuug mailing list
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
> From: "Kelley Walker" <kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
> To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> Message-ID: <2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> "Greeking.")
> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2<http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
>
> Kelley
> --
> Kelley Walker
> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
> From: Jon Zuck <jz at frimmin.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> Message-ID:
>        <64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
> http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
>
> jon
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker <
> kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> > "Greeking.")
> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2<
> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2
> >
> >
> > Kelley
> > --
> > Kelley Walker
> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wsuug mailing list
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jon
>
> http://www.frimmin.com
> http://www.wildwebweaving.com
> http://bonege.com/
>
> "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your separation
> from God is the hardest work in the world."
>                  ~Hafiz
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> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500
> From: Jon Zuck <jonzuck at gmail.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
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> Hilarious!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > http://xkcd.com/327/
> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >>
> >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >> for you. @@
> >>
> >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> >> safeguards,
> >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >>
> >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wsuug mailing list
> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wsuug mailing list
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
> From: John M <jmewhort at gmail.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> Message-ID:
>        <4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck <jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hilarious!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> http://xkcd.com/327/
> >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >>
> >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >>
> >>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >>> for you. @@
> >>>
> >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >>>
> >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Wsuug mailing list
> >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Wsuug mailing list
> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wsuug mailing list
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:29:53 -0500
> From: Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
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>
> Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
>
> January 5, 2010
> 6pm - 7pm
> Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
> back of the 2nd floor.)
>
> (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to do
> so.)
>
> Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
> (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
> but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
> Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
> as well as a presentation.)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>
> End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
> ************************************
>



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albert.bowden at residentsource.com
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From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 13:35:36 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:35:36 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.98.1262625858.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
	<1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001041035h607d838csb3ee421b52bd8a51@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden
<jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older
> messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?

It probably depends on how the message was composed. I replied overtop
of my last reminder and just changed the subject (since all the text
was the same.) I think it stores the id of the replied to message
somewhere.

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org

From reese at inkworkswell.com  Mon Jan  4 13:54:28 2010
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <424f9b531001041035h607d838csb3ee421b52bd8a51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.98.1262625858.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>	<1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<424f9b531001041035h607d838csb3ee421b52bd8a51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B423964.7020108@inkworkswell.com>

On 04-Jan-10 13:35, Zach Young wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden
> <jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
>> i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older
>> messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
> 
> It probably depends on how the message was composed. I replied overtop
> of my last reminder and just changed the subject (since all the text
> was the same.) I think it stores the id of the replied to message
> somewhere.

It may also be caused by the systime on the mail server that ultimately
tosses the email to the winds. For example, even if you are physically
located on the east coast, it doesn't mean the mail server processing
your post is on the east coast - it might be on the west coast. Or in
China/India/Russia/France - or on the moon or Mars in some extreme
cases. @@

I've noticed some similar threading-by dateTime issues in Thunderbird.
I wish I could turn that off completely, let message display in the
order they were received. Like I could in Eudora. But Eudora is dead.

Reese


From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 15:12:54 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:12:54 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <4B423964.7020108@inkworkswell.com>
References: <mailman.98.1262625858.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
	<1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<424f9b531001041035h607d838csb3ee421b52bd8a51@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B423964.7020108@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001041212g676a8dd2m7c0028d477daed6c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> But Eudora is dead.

Yes it is. So stop complaining about it and:

1) Install the old version and keep using that
2) Install Penelope (extension for Thunderbird)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penelope_(e-mail_client)
3) Create your own Thunderbird plugin
4) Gripe at the Thunderbird dev team and not us

:)

z

From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 23:51:13 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:51:13 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
In-Reply-To: <424f9b531001040929g257f1d8dod4fec7eb626fc7db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <424f9b531001040929g257f1d8dod4fec7eb626fc7db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001042051k285e3e4bxbbe4ba3c53115903@mail.gmail.com>

Someone pointed out that I didn't state which library the meeting is
at. It is at the main library in Norfolk on 235 Plume Street.

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org



On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
>
> January 5, 2010
> 6pm - 7pm
> Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
> back of the 2nd floor.)
>
> (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to do so.)
>
> Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
> (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
> but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
> Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
> as well as a presentation.)
>

From reese at inkworkswell.com  Tue Jan  5 12:38:32 2010
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Military.com's "Buddy Finder"
Message-ID: <4B437918.3010902@inkworkswell.com>

As some of you know already, I'm retired Navy. So when I saw this link
for a buddy finder in military.com's latest newsletter - for looking up
people you've served with in the past - it brought some interest.

http://www.military.com/buddy-finder/?ESRC=mr.nl

Note that "Email" is a required field.

This is not the correct way to look up a buddy with whom contact has
been lost, if an email address is available then contact was not lost
was it? @@

Submitted as an example of how *not* to do it, this example created
by or for people who aren't grasping that fundamental clue.

Reese


From young.zach at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 12:46:45 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:46:45 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Military.com's "Buddy Finder"
In-Reply-To: <4B437918.3010902@inkworkswell.com>
References: <4B437918.3010902@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001050946l5b19d7d2ha59a11115cd6e945@mail.gmail.com>

> Note that "Email" is a required field.

It says at the top that last name *or* email is required. Still it is
pretty ambiguous as that line is easy to miss and last name does not
have an asterisk by it like email does.

z

From reese at inkworkswell.com  Tue Jan  5 13:01:25 2010
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:01:25 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Military.com's "Buddy Finder"
In-Reply-To: <424f9b531001050946l5b19d7d2ha59a11115cd6e945@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B437918.3010902@inkworkswell.com>
	<424f9b531001050946l5b19d7d2ha59a11115cd6e945@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B437E75.9030001@inkworkswell.com>

On 05-Jan-10 12:46, Zach Young wrote:
>> Note that "Email" is a required field.
> 
> It says at the top that last name *or* email is required. Still it is
> pretty ambiguous as that line is easy to miss and last name does not
> have an asterisk by it like email does.

It does, but it is inside of the input box. The form does not strike
me as thought- or laid-out very well.

So anyway, I filled in the name of a former shipmate, branch of service,
and hit submit. 0 results. Not even the courtesy of an error message,
the page refreshed to a login page. Tried my own name, same result. I
think I have 2 or 3 different military.com accounts but I don't remember
the login details (that's why there are 2 or 3 of them, natch). I'm not
going to create a 3rd or 4th account or go through their obstacle course
to recover or reset passwords, looking up former shipmates isn't that
important to me at this hour of the day and later, I'll likely forget.

Reese



From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 09:31:46 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:31:46 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.98.1262625858.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
	<1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001080631y69aec881j8b6790a211333e42@mail.gmail.com>

well thats an awesome response!

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> wrote:

> i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older
> messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, <wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
>
>> Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to
>>        wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>        http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>        wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org
>>
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>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Wsuug digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
>>   2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
>>   3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
>>   4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
>>   5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
>>   6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
>>   7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
>>   8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
>> From: Kelley Walker <designlists at inkworkswell.com>
>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
>> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>> At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
>> >e4h summit
>>
>>
>> they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits with
>> Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was
>> just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a group
>> of us to take it ourselves! :)
>>
>> Kelley
>>
>> When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
>> Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
>> Phone:    (757) 717-9969
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
>> From: Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>> Message-ID: <4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>> >
>> > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>> > though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>>
>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>> for you. @@
>>
>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>> conduct white hat research on such things.
>>
>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
>> From: Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net>
>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>> Message-ID: <FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>
>> http://xkcd.com/327/
>> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
>> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>>
>> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>> >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>> >> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>> >
>> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>> > for you. @@
>> >
>> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
>> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>> > conduct white hat research on such things.
>> >
>> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wsuug mailing list
>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
>> From: "Kelley Walker" <kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
>> To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
>> Message-ID: <2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
>> mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
>> tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
>> Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
>> "Greeking.")
>> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
>> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2<http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
>>
>> Kelley
>> --
>> Kelley Walker
>> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
>> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
>> From: Jon Zuck <jz at frimmin.com>
>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
>> Message-ID:
>>        <64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
>> http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
>>
>> jon
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker <
>> kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
>> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
>> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
>> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
>> > "Greeking.")
>> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
>> > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2<
>> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2
>> >
>> >
>> > Kelley
>> > --
>> > Kelley Walker
>> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
>> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wsuug mailing list
>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jon
>>
>> http://www.frimmin.com
>> http://www.wildwebweaving.com
>> http://bonege.com/
>>
>> "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your
>> separation
>> from God is the hardest work in the world."
>>                  ~Hafiz
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500
>> From: Jon Zuck <jonzuck at gmail.com>
>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>> Message-ID: <66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA at gmail.com>
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>>  delsp=yes
>>
>> Hilarious!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > http://xkcd.com/327/
>> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
>> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>> >
>> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>> >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>> >>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>> >>
>> >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>> >> for you. @@
>> >>
>> >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
>> >> safeguards,
>> >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>> >> conduct white hat research on such things.
>> >>
>> >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>> >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>> >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Wsuug mailing list
>> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wsuug mailing list
>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
>> From: John M <jmewhort at gmail.com>
>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>> Message-ID:
>>        <4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck <jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hilarious!
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> http://xkcd.com/327/
>> >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
>> >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>> >>
>> >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>> >>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>> >>> for you. @@
>> >>>
>> >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
>> >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>> >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
>> >>>
>> >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>> >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>> >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Wsuug mailing list
>> >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Wsuug mailing list
>> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>> >>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Wsuug mailing list
>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>> >
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:29:53 -0500
>> From: Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com>
>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>> Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
>> Message-ID:
>>        <424f9b531001040929g257f1d8dod4fec7eb626fc7db at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
>>
>> January 5, 2010
>> 6pm - 7pm
>> Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
>> back of the 2nd floor.)
>>
>> (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to
>> do so.)
>>
>> Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
>> (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
>> but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
>> Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
>> as well as a presentation.)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wsuug mailing list
>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>
>>
>> End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
>> ************************************
>>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>
>


-- 
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From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 09:34:05 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:34:05 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001080631y69aec881j8b6790a211333e42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.98.1262625858.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
	<1daba98e1001041025u64f38afbp92ecdf39d17841d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1daba98e1001080631y69aec881j8b6790a211333e42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001080634x784bfe24x794c0a201f684256@mail.gmail.com>

Yo,
Reese, Kelley and I are trying to get up this weekend and get something,
anything, wtfeverthing done this weekend. Anyone else want in?
Saturday or Sunday is good for me. Whenever. Would prefer early afternoon on
Saturday, but that's just me.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> wrote:

> well thats an awesome response!
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden <
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older
>> messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, <wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to
>>>        wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>        http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>        wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>        wsuug-owner at list.wsuug.org
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Wsuug digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
>>>   2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
>>>   3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
>>>   4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
>>>   5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
>>>   6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
>>>   7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
>>>   8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
>>> From: Kelley Walker <designlists at inkworkswell.com>
>>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
>>> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>
>>> At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
>>> >e4h summit
>>>
>>>
>>> they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits with
>>> Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was
>>> just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a group
>>> of us to take it ourselves! :)
>>>
>>> Kelley
>>>
>>> When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
>>> Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
>>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
>>> Phone:    (757) 717-9969
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
>>> From: Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>>> Message-ID: <4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>>> >
>>> > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>>> > though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>>>
>>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>>> for you. @@
>>>
>>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
>>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>>> conduct white hat research on such things.
>>>
>>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
>>> From: Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net>
>>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>>> Message-ID: <FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>>
>>> http://xkcd.com/327/
>>> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
>>> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>>> >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>>> >> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>>> >
>>> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>>> > for you. @@
>>> >
>>> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
>>> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>>> > conduct white hat research on such things.
>>> >
>>> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>>> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>>> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Wsuug mailing list
>>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
>>> From: "Kelley Walker" <kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
>>> To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
>>> Message-ID: <2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
>>> mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
>>> tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
>>> Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
>>> "Greeking.")
>>> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
>>> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2<http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
>>>
>>> Kelley
>>> --
>>> Kelley Walker
>>> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
>>> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
>>> From: Jon Zuck <jz at frimmin.com>
>>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
>>> http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
>>>
>>> jon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker <
>>> kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
>>> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
>>> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
>>> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
>>> > "Greeking.")
>>> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
>>> > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2<
>>> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Kelley
>>> > --
>>> > Kelley Walker
>>> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
>>> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Wsuug mailing list
>>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> http://www.frimmin.com
>>> http://www.wildwebweaving.com
>>> http://bonege.com/
>>>
>>> "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your
>>> separation
>>> from God is the hardest work in the world."
>>>                  ~Hafiz
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>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500
>>> From: Jon Zuck <jonzuck at gmail.com>
>>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>>> Message-ID: <66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii;       format=flowed;
>>>  delsp=yes
>>>
>>> Hilarious!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > http://xkcd.com/327/
>>> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
>>> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>>> >
>>> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>>> >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>>> >>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>>> >>
>>> >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>>> >> for you. @@
>>> >>
>>> >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
>>> >> safeguards,
>>> >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>>> >> conduct white hat research on such things.
>>> >>
>>> >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>>> >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>>> >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Wsuug mailing list
>>> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Wsuug mailing list
>>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
>>> From: John M <jmewhort at gmail.com>
>>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3 at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck <jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hilarious!
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> http://xkcd.com/327/
>>> >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
>>> >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>>> >>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
>>> >>> for you. @@
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
>>> safeguards,
>>> >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
>>> >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
>>> >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
>>> >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Wsuug mailing list
>>> >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Wsuug mailing list
>>> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>> >>
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Wsuug mailing list
>>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:29:53 -0500
>>> From: Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com>
>>> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
>>> Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <424f9b531001040929g257f1d8dod4fec7eb626fc7db at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
>>>
>>> January 5, 2010
>>> 6pm - 7pm
>>> Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
>>> back of the 2nd floor.)
>>>
>>> (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to
>>> do so.)
>>>
>>> Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
>>> (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
>>> but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
>>> Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
>>> as well as a presentation.)
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wsuug mailing list
>>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>>>
>>>
>>> End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
>>> ************************************
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Albert Bowden II
>> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
>> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
>> c.757.968.9133
>> w.757.351.7204
>> http://bowdenweb.com/
>> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>
>


-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
http://bowdenweb.com/
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From denisebarba at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 13:52:09 2010
From: denisebarba at gmail.com (denisebarba at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:52:09 +0000
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001080634x784bfe24x794c0a201f684256@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0016e64bba9e57dbee047cabaf18@google.com>

I'm open to the possibility. I guess it would depend on what would be  
accomplished and if i'd be any help, seeing as i don't do the code. :)
Early Sat. afternoon/evening (not past 8) would be my only available time.

On Jan 8, 2010 9:34am, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yo,
> Reese, Kelley and I are trying to get up this weekend and get something,  
> anything, wtfeverthing done this weekend. Anyone else want in?
> Saturday or Sunday is good for me. Whenever. Would prefer early afternoon  
> on Saturday, but that's just me.


> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James Albert Bowden  
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:

> well thats an awesome response!


> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden  
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:


> i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older  
> messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?





> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:



> Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to

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> Today's Topics:



> 1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)

> 2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)

> 3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)

> 4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)

> 5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)

> 6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)

> 7. Re: (no subject) (John M)

> 8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)





> ----------------------------------------------------------------------



> Message: 1

> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500

> From: Kelley Walker designlists at inkworkswell.com>

> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day

> Message-ID: 6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed



> At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:

> >e4h summit





> they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits with

> Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was

> just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a group

> of us to take it ourselves! :)



> Kelley



> When you need to communicate, Ink Works!

> Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com

> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker

> Phone: (757) 717-9969







> ------------------------------



> Message: 2

> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500

> From: Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>

> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)

> Message-ID: 4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed



> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:

> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:

> >

> >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?

> >

> > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out

> > though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...



> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link

> for you. @@



> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,

> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who

> conduct white hat research on such things.



> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just

> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't

> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.







> ------------------------------



> Message: 3

> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500

> From: Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>

> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)

> Message-ID: FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii





> http://xkcd.com/327/

> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.

> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.



> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:



> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:

> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:

> >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?

> >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out

> >> though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...

> >

> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link

> > for you. @@

> >

> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,

> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who

> > conduct white hat research on such things.

> >

> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just

> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't

> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Wsuug mailing list

> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org

> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug







> ------------------------------



> Message: 4

> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500

> From: "Kelley Walker" kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>

> To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine

> Message-ID: 2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"





> Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a

> mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are

> tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the

> Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called

> "Greeking.")

> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke

> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2



> Kelley

> --

> Kelley Walker

> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader

> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969

















> ------------------------------



> Message: 5

> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500

> From: Jon Zuck jz at frimmin.com>

> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine

> Message-ID:

> 64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



> That's cool. It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."

> http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/



> jon



> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker
> kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:



> >

> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a

> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are

> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the

> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called

> > "Greeking.")

> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke

> >  
> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>




> >

> > Kelley

> > --

> > Kelley Walker

> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader

> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Wsuug mailing list

> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org

> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

> >







> --

> Jon



> http://www.frimmin.com

> http://www.wildwebweaving.com

> http://bonege.com/



> "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your  
> separation

> from God is the hardest work in the world."

> ~Hafiz

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> Message: 6

> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500

> From: Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com>

> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)

> Message-ID: 66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA at gmail.com>

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes



> Hilarious!



> Sent from my iPhone



> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:



> >

> > http://xkcd.com/327/

> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.

> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.

> >

> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:

> >

> >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:

> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>

> >>> wrote:

> >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?

> >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out

> >>> though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...

> >>

> >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link

> >> for you. @@

> >>

> >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with

> >> safeguards,

> >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who

> >> conduct white hat research on such things.

> >>

> >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just

> >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't

> >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.

> >>

> >> _______________________________________________

> >> Wsuug mailing list

> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org

> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

> >

> > _______________________________________________

> > Wsuug mailing list

> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org

> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug





> ------------------------------



> Message: 7

> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500

> From: John M jmewhort at gmail.com>

> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)

> Message-ID:

> 4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3 at mail.gmail.com>

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> Ken - that's some funny stuff! I'm...LMAOMF!



> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:



> > Hilarious!

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

> >

> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:

> >

> >

> >> http://xkcd.com/327/

> >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.

> >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.

> >>

> >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:

> >>

> >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>  
> wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?

> >>>>>

> >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out

> >>>> though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link

> >>> for you. @@

> >>>

> >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,

> >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who

> >>> conduct white hat research on such things.

> >>>

> >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just

> >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't

> >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.

> >>>

> >>> _______________________________________________

> >>> Wsuug mailing list

> >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org

> >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

> >>>

> >>

> >> _______________________________________________

> >> Wsuug mailing list

> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org

> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

> >>

> > _______________________________________________

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> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:29:53 -0500

> From: Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com>

> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>

> Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder

> Message-ID:

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> Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.



> January 5, 2010

> 6pm - 7pm

> Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward

> back of the 2nd floor.)



> (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to  
> do so.)



> Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.

> (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,

> but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with

> Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion

> as well as a presentation.)





> ------------------------------



> _______________________________________________

> Wsuug mailing list

> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org

> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug





> End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1

> ************************************







> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com

> jalbertbowden at gmail.com

> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org







> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com


> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org







> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com

> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
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From kcwalker at inkworkswell.com  Fri Jan  8 14:13:49 2010
From: kcwalker at inkworkswell.com (kelley walker)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:13:49 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
Message-ID: <48195865$52ed1006$7019cb7a$@com>

i'm game for any time Albert, just need advance notice. If Reese doesn't 
mind, we can hang at our house, though I seem to recall Denise didn't want 
to meet at people's homes? Can't recall.
At any rate, just let us know when. Was just going to IM you to see if we 
were still on for the weekend. Coinkydinky. :)
Kelley

----------------------------------------
From: denisebarba at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:52 PM
To: wsuug at list.wsuug.org
Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 

I'm open to the possibility. I guess it would depend on what would be 
accomplished and if i'd be any help, seeing as i don't do the code. :)
Early Sat. afternoon/evening (not past 8) would be my only available time.

On Jan 8, 2010 9:34am, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Yo,
> Reese, Kelley and I are trying to get up this weekend and get something, 
anything, wtfeverthing done this weekend. Anyone else want in? 
> Saturday or Sunday is good for me. Whenever. Would prefer early afternoon 
on Saturday, but that's just me. 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James Albert Bowden 
jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> well thats an awesome response!
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden 
jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older 
messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM,  wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to
> 
>         wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 
>         http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 
>         wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org
> 
> 
> 
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 
>         wsuug-owner at list.wsuug.org
> 
> 
> 
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> 
> than "Re: Contents of Wsuug digest..."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
> 
> 
>    1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
> 
>    2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
> 
>    3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
> 
>    4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
> 
>    5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
> 
>    6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
> 
>    7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
> 
>    8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 1
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
> 
> From: Kelley Walker designlists at inkworkswell.com>
> 
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> 
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
> 
> Message-ID: 6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> 
> >e4h summit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits 
with
> 
> Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was
> 
> just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a 
group
> 
> of us to take it ourselves! :)
> 
> 
> 
> Kelley
> 
> 
> 
> When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
> 
> Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
> 
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
> 
> Phone:    (757) 717-9969
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 2
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
> 
> From: Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> 
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> 
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> 
> Message-ID: 4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> 
> 
> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> 
> >
> 
> > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> 
> > though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> 
> 
> 
> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> 
> for you. @@
> 
> 
> 
> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> 
> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> 
> conduct white hat research on such things.
> 
> 
> 
> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> 
> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> 
> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 3
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
> 
> From: Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>
> 
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> 
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> 
> Message-ID: FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://xkcd.com/327/
> 
> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> 
> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> 
> >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com> 
wrote:
> 
> >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> 
> >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> 
> >> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> 
> >
> 
> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> 
> > for you. @@
> 
> >
> 
> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> 
> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> 
> > conduct white hat research on such things.
> 
> >
> 
> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> 
> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> 
> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> 
> >
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> > Wsuug mailing list
> 
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 4
> 
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
> 
> From: "Kelley Walker" kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
> 
> To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> 
> Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> 
> Message-ID: 2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> 
> mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> 
> tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> 
> Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> 
> "Greeking.")
> 
> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> 
> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2
> 
> 
> 
> Kelley
> 
> --
> 
> Kelley Walker
> 
> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> 
> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 5
> 
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
> 
> From: Jon Zuck jz at frimmin.com>
> 
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> 
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> 
> Message-ID:
> 
>         64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> 
> That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
> 
> http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
> 
> 
> 
> jon
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker  
> kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> 
> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> 
> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> 
> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> 
> > "Greeking.")
> 
> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> 
> > 
ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLangua
ge=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> > Kelley
> 
> > --
> 
> > Kelley Walker
> 
> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> 
> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> > Wsuug mailing list
> 
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.frimmin.com
> 
> http://www.wildwebweaving.com
> 
> http://bonege.com/
> 
> 
> 
> "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your 
separation
> 
> from God is the hardest work in the world."
> 
>                   ~Hafiz
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> Hilarious!
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> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> > http://xkcd.com/327/
> 
> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> 
> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> 
> >
> 
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> 
> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> 
> >>> wrote:
> 
> >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> 
> >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> 
> >>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> 
> >>
> 
> >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> 
> >> for you. @@
> 
> >>
> 
> >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> 
> >> safeguards,
> 
> >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> 
> >> conduct white hat research on such things.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> 
> >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> 
> >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> 
> >> Wsuug mailing list
> 
> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> >
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> > Wsuug mailing list
> 
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 7
> 
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
> 
> From: John M jmewhort at gmail.com>
> 
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> 
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> 
> Message-ID:
> 
>         4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3 at mail.gmail.com>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> 
> Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Hilarious!
> 
> >
> 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >> http://xkcd.com/327/
> 
> >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> 
> >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> 
> >>
> 
> >>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com> 
wrote:
> 
> >>>>
> 
> >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> 
> >>>>>
> 
> >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> 
> >>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> 
> >>>>
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> 
> >>> for you. @@
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with 
safeguards,
> 
> >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> 
> >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> 
> >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> 
> >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> _______________________________________________
> 
> >>> Wsuug mailing list
> 
> >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>
> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> 
> >> Wsuug mailing list
> 
> >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> >>
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> > Wsuug mailing list
> 
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> 
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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> Message: 8
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> From: Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com>
> 
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
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> Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> 
> Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
> 
> 
> 
> January 5, 2010
> 
> 6pm - 7pm
> 
> Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
> 
> back of the 2nd floor.)
> 
> 
> 
> (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to 
do so.)
> 
> 
> 
> Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
> 
> (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
> 
> but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
> 
> Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
> 
> as well as a presentation.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 14:45:38 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting this weekend
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001081145u3160bc64ka6543835f6b71954@mail.gmail.com>

I'm cool with meeting @ Kelley n Reese place. but if that's a problem, we
can somewhere to gather.
as for what we are going to do and/or how much Denise can add...we are still
waiting on Ryan's design, so while getting the design out/done is first
priority, clearly that ain't happening this weekend (in the sense of a final
solution)........so wtf are we gonna do?
I think Ken has set a great example and its also evident that some of his
success has come from his sites: leaving design out of this for a moment, we
need content. content about refresh. content about hampton roads. content
about webdev. etc, etc, etc. Seriously, if all we walk away from after
meeting is a shit ton of ideas that we have at least documented and hashed
over, I'll consider the mission successful.
Back to what Denise can add...D, I'm so glad you wrote that, although I
don't think that you meant it how I'm going to interpret it here: Refresh is
webdev in its entirety, from the backenders to the bloggers, I will go so
far as to extend open arms to a Social Media "Enthusiast" or whatever tf
they are going by these days. I do draw the line @ social media douchebag
gurus however, their kind is not welcome. (although personally I'd love to
let them in and then grill them until they ran away crying)
The point is, everyone has something to offer, if @ the least just a unique
pov.
I'm rambling and I actually have a tix to work on (2nd one this week!) so in
closing, this weekend, lets meet up and get some shit done.
werd.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:07 PM, <wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:

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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:13:49 -0500
> From: "kelley walker" <kcwalker at inkworkswell.com>
> To: "Web Standards and Usability User Group" <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
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> i'm game for any time Albert, just need advance notice. If Reese doesn't
> mind, we can hang at our house, though I seem to recall Denise didn't want
> to meet at people's homes? Can't recall.
> At any rate, just let us know when. Was just going to IM you to see if we
> were still on for the weekend. Coinkydinky. :)
> Kelley
>
> ----------------------------------------
> From: denisebarba at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:52 PM
> To: wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
>
> I'm open to the possibility. I guess it would depend on what would be
> accomplished and if i'd be any help, seeing as i don't do the code. :)
> Early Sat. afternoon/evening (not past 8) would be my only available time.
>
> On Jan 8, 2010 9:34am, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yo,
> > Reese, Kelley and I are trying to get up this weekend and get something,
> anything, wtfeverthing done this weekend. Anyone else want in?
> > Saturday or Sunday is good for me. Whenever. Would prefer early afternoon
> on Saturday, but that's just me.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James Albert Bowden
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > well thats an awesome response!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have older
> messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM,  wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >    1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
> >
> >    2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
> >
> >    3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
> >
> >    4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
> >
> >    5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
> >
> >    6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
> >
> >    7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
> >
> >    8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
> >
> > From: Kelley Walker designlists at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
> >
> > Message-ID: 6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> >
> > >e4h summit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits
> with
> >
> > Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was
> >
> > just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a
> group
> >
> > of us to take it ourselves! :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> >
> >
> > When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
> >
> > Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
> >
> > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
> >
> > Phone:    (757) 717-9969
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 2
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
> >
> > From: Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID: 4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > > though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> >
> >
> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > for you. @@
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> >
> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> >
> >
> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 3
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
> >
> > From: Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID: FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > >> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > > for you. @@
> >
> > >
> >
> > > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> >
> > > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > > conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 4
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
> >
> > From: "Kelley Walker" kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
> >
> > To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> >
> > Message-ID: 2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> >
> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> >
> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> >
> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> >
> > "Greeking.")
> >
> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> >
> > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kelley Walker
> >
> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> >
> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
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> >
> >
> > Message: 5
> >
> > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
> >
> > From: Jon Zuck jz at frimmin.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >         64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> > That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
> >
> > http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
> >
> >
> >
> > jon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker
> > kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> >
> > > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> >
> > > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> >
> > > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> >
> > > "Greeking.")
> >
> > > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> >
> > >
> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2
> http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLangua
> ge=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2<http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLangua%0Age=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Kelley
> >
> > > --
> >
> > > Kelley Walker
> >
> > > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> >
> > > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.frimmin.com
> >
> > http://www.wildwebweaving.com
> >
> > http://bonege.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your
> separation
> >
> > from God is the hardest work in the world."
> >
> >                   ~Hafiz
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> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
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> > Hilarious!
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> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > >>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > >> for you. @@
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> >
> > >> safeguards,
> >
> > >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > >> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 7
> >
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
> >
> > From: John M jmewhort at gmail.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
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> >
> >
> > Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hilarious!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > >>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > >>> for you. @@
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> safeguards,
> >
> > >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >>> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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> > >>>
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> > >> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >> Wsuug mailing list
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> > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
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> > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
> >
> > Message-ID:
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> >         424f9b531001040929g257f1d8dod4fec7eb626fc7db at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> >
> >
> > Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
> > January 5, 2010
> >
> > 6pm - 7pm
> >
> > Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
> >
> > back of the 2nd floor.)
> >
> >
> >
> > (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to
> do so.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
> >
> > (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
> >
> > but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
> >
> > Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
> >
> > as well as a presentation.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
> >
> > ************************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> >
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> >
> > c.757.968.9133
> > w.757.351.7204
> > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > c.757.968.9133
> > w.757.351.7204
> > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> >
> > c.757.968.9133
> > w.757.351.7204
> > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> >
> >
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-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
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From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 14:51:22 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>

so my message just got kicked back to me.
gay.
sure its over the message limit. i was unaware that their was a message
limit.
gay er


On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <wsuug-bounces at list.wsuug.org> wrote:

> Your mail to 'Wsuug' with the subject
>
>    Meeting this weekend
>
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>
> The reason it is being held:
>
>    Message body is too big: 53259 bytes with a limit of 40 KB
>
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>
>
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/confirm/wsuug/503af1147c97ce7a3dc6ac2b6362220fad11e32f
>
>


-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
http://bowdenweb.com/
http://refreshhamptonroads.org
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From young.zach at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 14:53:37 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:53:37 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001081153q13e59755i61d80a1d50c25f00@mail.gmail.com>

Patience. Large messages just have to be approved. Your email was
53KB. The limit is 40KB.

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org



On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, James Albert Bowden
<jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> so my message just got kicked back to me.
> gay.
> sure its over the message limit. i was unaware that their was a message
> limit.
> gay er
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <wsuug-bounces at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
>>
>> Your mail to 'Wsuug' with the subject
>>
>> ? ?Meeting this weekend
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>> ? ?Message body is too big: 53259 bytes with a limit of 40 KB
>>
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision. ?If you would like to cancel
>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>
>>
>> ?http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/confirm/wsuug/503af1147c97ce7a3dc6ac2b6362220fad11e32f
>>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>

From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Fri Jan  8 14:58:33 2010
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann at thelinuxlink.net)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:58:33 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
In-Reply-To: <424f9b531001081153q13e59755i61d80a1d50c25f00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>
	<424f9b531001081153q13e59755i61d80a1d50c25f00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9509762e9a31431d23baacbbe9b52b2e.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>

> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, James Albert Bowden
> <jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
>> so my message just got kicked back to me.
>> gay.
>> sure its over the message limit. i was unaware that their was a message
>> limit.
>> gay er

Learn to write succinctly.

------------
Daniel S. Washko
The Linux Link Tech Show
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy


From denisebarba at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 16:20:07 2010
From: denisebarba at gmail.com (denisebarba at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 21:20:07 +0000
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <48195865$52ed1006$7019cb7a$@com>
Message-ID: <0016e64949f8837e25047cadc048@google.com>

I don't recall making that statement. Unless it was an arbitrary remark  
about attending a random meeting in a stranger's home.

On Jan 8, 2010 2:13pm, kelley walker <kcwalker at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> i'm game for any time Albert, just need advance notice. If Reese doesn't  
> mind, we can hang at our house, though I seem to recall Denise didn't  
> want to meet at people's homes? Can't recall.

> At any rate, just let us know when. Was just going to IM you to see if we  
> were still on for the weekend. Coinkydinky. :)


> Kelley

> From: denisebarba at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:52 PM
> To: wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1

> I'm open to the possibility. I guess it would depend on what would be  
> accomplished and if i'd be any help, seeing as i don't do the code. :)
> Early Sat. afternoon/evening (not past 8) would be my only available time.

> On Jan 8, 2010 9:34am, James Albert Bowden jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yo,
> > Reese, Kelley and I are trying to get up this weekend and get  
> something, anything, wtfeverthing done this weekend. Anyone else want in?
> > Saturday or Sunday is good for me. Whenever. Would prefer early  
> afternoon on Saturday, but that's just me.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James Albert Bowden  
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > well thats an awesome response!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden  
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages have  
> older messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to
> >
> > wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> >
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >
> > wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org
> >
> >
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> >
> > wsuug-owner at list.wsuug.org
> >
> >
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >
> > than "Re: Contents of Wsuug digest..."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >
> >
> > 1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
> >
> > 2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
> >
> > 3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
> >
> > 4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
> >
> > 5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
> >
> > 6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
> >
> > 7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
> >
> > 8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
> >
> > From: Kelley Walker designlists at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
> >
> > Message-ID: 6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> >
> > >e4h summit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits  
> with
> >
> > Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was
> >
> > just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a  
> group
> >
> > of us to take it ourselves! :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> >
> >
> > When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
> >
> > Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
> >
> > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
> >
> > Phone: (757) 717-9969
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 2
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
> >
> > From: Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID: 4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > > though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> >
> >
> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > for you. @@
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> >
> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> >
> >
> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 3
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
> >
> > From: Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID: FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > >> though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > > for you. @@
> >
> > >
> >
> > > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> >
> > > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > > conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 4
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
> >
> > From: "Kelley Walker" kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
> >
> > To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> >
> > Message-ID: 2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> >
> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> >
> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> >
> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> >
> > "Greeking.")
> >
> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> >
> > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kelley Walker
> >
> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> >
> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 5
> >
> > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
> >
> > From: Jon Zuck jz at frimmin.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
> > 64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> > That's cool. It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
> >
> > http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
> >
> >
> >
> > jon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker
> > kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> >
> > > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> >
> > > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> >
> > > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> >
> > > "Greeking.")
> >
> > > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> >
> > >  
> ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Kelley
> >
> > > --
> >
> > > Kelley Walker
> >
> > > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> >
> > > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.frimmin.com
> >
> > http://www.wildwebweaving.com
> >
> > http://bonege.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your  
> separation
> >
> > from God is the hardest work in the world."
> >
> > ~Hafiz
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 6
> >
> > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500
> >
> > From: Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
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> >
> > Hilarious!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > >>> though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > >> for you. @@
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> >
> > >> safeguards,
> >
> > >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > >> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 7
> >
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
> >
> > From: John M jmewhort at gmail.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
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> >
> >
> > Ken - that's some funny stuff! I'm...LMAOMF!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hilarious!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > >>>> though the list. It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > >>> for you. @@
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with  
> safeguards,
> >
> > >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >>> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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> > >>>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >>
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
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> > Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
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> > January 5, 2010
> >
> > 6pm - 7pm
> >
> > Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
> >
> > back of the 2nd floor.)
> >
> >
> >
> > (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire  
> to do so.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
> >
> > (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
> >
> > but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
> >
> > Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
> >
> > as well as a presentation.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
> >
> > ************************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> >
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
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From reese at inkworkswell.com  Fri Jan  8 16:54:28 2010
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:54:28 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <48195865$52ed1006$7019cb7a$@com>
References: <48195865$52ed1006$7019cb7a$@com>
Message-ID: <4B47A994.1080700@inkworkswell.com>

On 08-Jan-10 14:13, kelley walker wrote:
> i'm game for any time Albert, just need advance notice. If Reese doesn't 
> mind, we can hang at our house,

No objections.

> though I seem to recall Denise didn't want 
> to meet at people's homes? Can't recall.
> At any rate, just let us know when. Was just going to IM you to see if we 
> were still on for the weekend. Coinkydinky. :)


Sounds good to me.

Reese




From kcwalker at inkworkswell.com  Fri Jan  8 18:32:08 2010
From: kcwalker at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:32:08 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
In-Reply-To: <9509762e9a31431d23baacbbe9b52b2e.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink .net>
References: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>
	<424f9b531001081153q13e59755i61d80a1d50c25f00@mail.gmail.com>
	<9509762e9a31431d23baacbbe9b52b2e.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20100108182739.03016f28@pop.inkworkswell.com>

At 02:58 PM 1/8/2010, dann at thelinuxlink.net wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, James Albert Bowden
> > <jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> so my message just got kicked back to me.
>
>Learn to write succinctly.

Hey Albert -- One way to do this is snip all extraneous text from your 
message, instead of replying to the entire digest. Just clip out the post 
to which you're replying. It's an old Internet standard that has been 
rendered obsolete by gmail threading, I know, but mailman was built by 
people who were part of that culture; hence, the k-wattage limit on posts, 
which is also a byproduct of a time when you paid based on usage and 
archival storage from a Web hosting company.

Kelley


"The setuid bit allows a program to execute with root privileges.
Suppose MeatPuppy needs access to root control in order to run
the Pope.  When Satan Himself runs it, it doesn't need root,
since Satan *is* the Root of all Evil, having user ID 0."

                      --Woodchuckery's UNIX tutorial  


From reese at inkworkswell.com  Sat Jan  9 11:03:49 2010
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:03:49 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] MySQL: R.I.P.
Message-ID: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>

http://pooteeweet.org/blog/0/1639

It looks like the writing is on the wall. Unless something major
changes in the near future - which doesn't seem likely.

Reese


From kcwalker at inkworkswell.com  Sat Jan  9 11:39:47 2010
From: kcwalker at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:39:47 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] MySQL: R.I.P.
In-Reply-To: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
References: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20100109113826.053abec0@pop.inkworkswell.com>

At 11:03 AM 1/9/2010, Reese wrote:
>http://pooteeweet.org/blog/0/1639
>
>It looks like the writing is on the wall. Unless something major
>changes in the near future - which doesn't seem likely.
>
>Reese

I'm completely clueless as to what all of that means. Pls explain!

Kelley
--

When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
Phone:    (757) 717-9969 


From reese at inkworkswell.com  Sat Jan  9 16:52:30 2010
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:52:30 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] MySQL: R.I.P.
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20100109113826.053abec0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
References: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20100109113826.053abec0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <4B48FA9E.1070904@inkworkswell.com>

On 09-Jan-10 11:39, Kelley Walker wrote:
> At 11:03 AM 1/9/2010, Reese wrote:
>> http://pooteeweet.org/blog/0/1639
>>
>> It looks like the writing is on the wall. Unless something major
>> changes in the near future - which doesn't seem likely.
>>
>> Reese
> 
> I'm completely clueless as to what all of that means. Pls explain!


Yes, the article was incoherent, but confusion was cleared away in
the comments. Essentially:

- Sun bought MySQL
- Oracle bought Sun
- Oracle now owns MySQL
- Development of MySQL 6.0 has been stopped

It is said that v6.0 changes and improvements will find their way
into the 5.x version, but how much longer will Oracle permit what
it likely sees as a competitor to its flagship product - and a free
one at that - to exist?

There has also been some discussion on forking the MySQL code if
Oracle delivers a killshot. Only time will tell how that works out.

Reese


From young.zach at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 17:25:19 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:25:19 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] MySQL: R.I.P.
In-Reply-To: <4B48FA9E.1070904@inkworkswell.com>
References: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20100109113826.053abec0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<4B48FA9E.1070904@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001091425k6a9dad0dye246e70e9d0341c1@mail.gmail.com>

Reese wrote:
> There has also been some discussion on forking the MySQL code if
> Oracle delivers a killshot. Only time will tell how that works out.

If they were foolish enough to do so, I am fairly certain that some
organization would step up and take over MySQL development. In fact, I
would almost put money on Google forking it and creating their own
version if Oracle killed it.

Either way, MySQL is stable and at a point where even if no one picked
it up, people could still use it for years before looking for an
alternative.

I would be surprised, though, if Oracle did kill it.

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org

From young.zach at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 17:30:11 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 17:30:11 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] MySQL: R.I.P.
In-Reply-To: <424f9b531001091425k6a9dad0dye246e70e9d0341c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20100109113826.053abec0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<4B48FA9E.1070904@inkworkswell.com>
	<424f9b531001091425k6a9dad0dye246e70e9d0341c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001091430j68f5579ct2350f4888d9fc6f2@mail.gmail.com>

These two links should explain why MySQL 6 was stopped. They're
adopting a new development cycle model.

http://www.markleith.co.uk/?p=245
http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/Development_Cycle


Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org

From ken at metaskills.net  Sat Jan  9 18:34:00 2010
From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:34:00 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] NoSQL Talk At CVREG
Message-ID: <EE3543D7-BAFB-4190-B34C-69197DDD44CD@metaskills.net>


Well, giving the recent MySQL topic, which I would not have expected on this list, here is so anti SQL news. The 757rb is headed up to our Northern friends, CVREG, for the next meetup. The topic being on different document databases, etc. Details here below. A few of us will be car pooling up there.

http://twitter.com/757rb/status/7559354072



From young.zach at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 18:38:05 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] NoSQL Talk At CVREG
In-Reply-To: <EE3543D7-BAFB-4190-B34C-69197DDD44CD@metaskills.net>
References: <EE3543D7-BAFB-4190-B34C-69197DDD44CD@metaskills.net>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001091538v78275e2apb911a1d60902f203@mail.gmail.com>

Wish I could make it. Sounds like a good talk.

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org

From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 11:58:07 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:58:07 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001110858u77a9d7e0y491a32e7d8b56c5a@mail.gmail.com>

dann, i described a plethora of feelings and actions with one word. how more
succinct must it be? moreover, if not doing it actually gets you to
participate, i'll do it 3x/daily.
so kids, over the past 4 days, i've been reprimanded for my maturity, my
vocabulary and had a message not sent cause it was too big. it's still
waiting. it was about this weekend past. don't worry about sending it along.

go team!

-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
http://bowdenweb.com/
http://refreshhamptonroads.org
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From reese at inkworkswell.com  Mon Jan 11 12:06:31 2010
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:06:31 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001110858u77a9d7e0y491a32e7d8b56c5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e1001110858u77a9d7e0y491a32e7d8b56c5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B5A97.90502@inkworkswell.com>

On 11-Jan-10 11:58, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> dann, i described a plethora of feelings and actions with one word. how more
> succinct must it be? moreover, if not doing it actually gets you to
> participate, i'll do it 3x/daily.
> so kids, over the past 4 days, i've been reprimanded for my maturity, my
> vocabulary and had a message not sent cause it was too big. it's still
> waiting. it was about this weekend past. don't worry about sending it along.

I'm afraid I might be some part of that umbrella, I didn't mean to
reprimand so I apologize if that was the received message. My goal
was to raise caution flags and educate, not reprimand.

Beyond that, if you cared enough to write it, I'd like to read it.  ;)

Reese


From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:10:35 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:10:35 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4B4B5A97.90502@inkworkswell.com>
References: <1daba98e1001110858u77a9d7e0y491a32e7d8b56c5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4B5A97.90502@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001110910p21c80591xc761fe7edb03d0cc@mail.gmail.com>

> On 11-Jan-10 11:58, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> my vocabulary and had a message not sent cause it was too big. it's still
> waiting. it was about this weekend past. don't worry about sending it along.

I approved the message a few minutes after you sent it, so it was sent
through (they just need to be approved.) The sender just doesn't get a
copy of the sent message.

zach

From jz at frimmin.com  Mon Jan 11 12:10:52 2010
From: jz at frimmin.com (Jon Zuck)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64f12f1d1001110910v2fdc66afr32581f233bf0c93d@mail.gmail.com>

Albert:
Try this:

"My message bounced. straight"

"I was unaware that there was a message limit. straighter"

[?]

Jon.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> wrote:

> so my message just got kicked back to me.
> gay.
> sure its over the message limit. i was unaware that their was a message
> limit.
> gay er
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <wsuug-bounces at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
>
>> Your mail to 'Wsuug' with the subject
>>
>>    Meeting this weekend
>>
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>>
>> The reason it is being held:
>>
>>    Message body is too big: 53259 bytes with a limit of 40 KB
>>
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
>> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
>> this posting, please visit the following URL:
>>
>>
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/confirm/wsuug/503af1147c97ce7a3dc6ac2b6362220fad11e32f
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>


-- 
Jon

http://www.frimmin.com
http://www.wildwebweaving.com
http://bonege.com/

"Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your separation
from God is the hardest work in the world."
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From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:13:19 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
In-Reply-To: <64f12f1d1001110910v2fdc66afr32581f233bf0c93d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e1001081151i21a217a0w55620d2a8ba10ad8@mail.gmail.com>
	<64f12f1d1001110910v2fdc66afr32581f233bf0c93d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001110913s65a967d9t3c9a14dc55c8cd96@mail.gmail.com>

Jon Zuck <jz at frimmin.com> wrote:

> Albert:
> Try this:
>
> "My message bounced. straight"
>
> "I was unaware that there was a message limit. straighter"
>


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From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:16:01 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:16:01 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001110916v343cece4tf6aadd138927ac25@mail.gmail.com>

and how come i didn't get the emails that ken and zach were sending back and
forth about sql? i dont get this email client. whatsoever.

-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
http://bowdenweb.com/
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From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:17:17 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:17:17 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001110916v343cece4tf6aadd138927ac25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e1001110916v343cece4tf6aadd138927ac25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001110917q321d3d7cm7ce981cadfffe997@mail.gmail.com>

> and how come i didn't get the emails that ken and zach were sending back and
> forth about sql? i dont get this email client. whatsoever.

You should get everything. Occasionally I find mailing list emails in
my spam filter, so I'd check there.

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org

From justdan23 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 07:52:12 2010
From: justdan23 at gmail.com (Dan Swaney)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <0016e64bba9e57dbee047cabaf18@google.com>
References: <0016e64bba9e57dbee047cabaf18@google.com>
Message-ID: <C3D1F83D-254E-418E-9E02-356827364299@gmail.com>

I can't this weekend, but would like to some other weekend.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:52 PM, denisebarba at gmail.com wrote:

> I'm open to the possibility. I guess it would depend on what would  
> be accomplished and if i'd be any help, seeing as i don't do the  
> code. :)
> Early Sat. afternoon/evening (not past 8) would be my only available  
> time.
>
> On Jan 8, 2010 9:34am, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> > Yo,
> > Reese, Kelley and I are trying to get up this weekend and get  
> something, anything, wtfeverthing done this weekend. Anyone else  
> want in?
> > Saturday or Sunday is good for me. Whenever. Would prefer early  
> afternoon on Saturday, but that's just me.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James Albert Bowden jalbertbowden at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> >
> > well thats an awesome response!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden jalbertbowden at gmail.com 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages  
> have older messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM,  wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org>  
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >
> >
> >   1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
> >
> >   2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
> >
> >   3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
> >
> >   4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
> >
> >   5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
> >
> >   6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
> >
> >   7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
> >
> >   8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
> >
> > From: Kelley Walker designlists at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
> >
> > Message-ID: 6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> >
> > >e4h summit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc.  
> summits with
> >
> > Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too.  
> I was
> >
> > just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for  
> a group
> >
> > of us to take it ourselves! :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> >
> >
> > When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
> >
> > Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
> >
> > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
> >
> > Phone:    (757) 717-9969
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 2
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
> >
> > From: Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID: 4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> >
> > > though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> >
> >
> > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > for you. @@
> >
> >
> >
> > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with  
> safeguards,
> >
> > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> >
> >
> > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> >
> > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> >
> > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 3
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
> >
> > From: Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID: FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>  
> wrote:
> >
> > >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent  
> out
> >
> > >> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> >
> > > for you. @@
> >
> > >
> >
> > > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with  
> safeguards,
> >
> > > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> >
> > > conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong.  
> Just
> >
> > > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit  
> doesn't
> >
> > > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 4
> >
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
> >
> > From: "Kelley Walker" kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
> >
> > To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> >
> > Message-ID: 2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> >
> > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> >
> > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> >
> > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> >
> > "Greeking.")
> >
> > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> >
> > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelley
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kelley Walker
> >
> > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> >
> > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 5
> >
> > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
> >
> > From: Jon Zuck jz at frimmin.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >        64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> > That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
> >
> > http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
> >
> >
> >
> > jon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker
> > kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> >
> > > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> >
> > > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> >
> > > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> >
> > > "Greeking.")
> >
> > > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> >
> > > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2http://www.duckisland.com/ 
> GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Kelley
> >
> > > --
> >
> > > Kelley Walker
> >
> > > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> >
> > > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.frimmin.com
> >
> > http://www.wildwebweaving.com
> >
> > http://bonege.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your  
> separation
> >
> > from God is the hardest work in the world."
> >
> >                  ~Hafiz
> >
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 6
> >
> > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500
> >
> > From: Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID: 66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA at gmail.com>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > Hilarious!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent  
> out
> >
> > >>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that  
> link
> >
> > >> for you. @@
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> >
> > >> safeguards,
> >
> > >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those  
> who
> >
> > >> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong.  
> Just
> >
> > >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit  
> doesn't
> >
> > >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 7
> >
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
> >
> > From: John M jmewhort at gmail.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >        4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3 at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hilarious!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>  
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> http://xkcd.com/327/
> >
> > >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> >
> > >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese  
> reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> >
> > >>>>>
> >
> > >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets  
> sent out
> >
> > >>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that  
> link
> >
> > >>> for you. @@
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with  
> safeguards,
> >
> > >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those  
> who
> >
> > >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is  
> wrong. Just
> >
> > >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit  
> doesn't
> >
> > >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >>> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >>>
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> _______________________________________________
> >
> > >> Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> > >>
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> >
> > > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 8
> >
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:29:53 -0500
> >
> > From: Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com>
> >
> > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> >
> > Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >        424f9b531001040929g257f1d8dod4fec7eb626fc7db at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a reminder about our meeting tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
> > January 5, 2010
> >
> > 6pm - 7pm
> >
> > Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
> >
> > back of the 2nd floor.)
> >
> >
> >
> > (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people  
> desire to do so.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/ 
> etc.
> >
> > (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
> >
> > but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
> >
> > Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good  
> discussion
> >
> > as well as a presentation.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Wsuug mailing list
> >
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> >
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
> >
> > ************************************
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> >
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> >
> > c.757.968.9133
> > w.757.351.7204
> > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > c.757.968.9133
> > w.757.351.7204
> > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> >
> > c.757.968.9133
> > w.757.351.7204
> > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 09:08:54 2010
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:08:54 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.152.1263386728.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
References: <mailman.152.1263386728.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
Message-ID: <1daba98e1001130608s3d6b9593o26c43e7940706555@mail.gmail.com>

zach - what does that mean? i sent an email that had to be approved. you
approved it...and then i have to send it again?
jon - clearly you missed my tone in that one, because tone is so easy to
gauge in text-based documents. but whatever. if that actually gets comments.
that gay statement got 2 comments from randoms. two attempts to meet over
the weekend garnered none.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:45 AM, <wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org> wrote:

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>   3. Re: Message Bounce.....gay (Zach Young)
>   4. (no subject) (James Albert Bowden)
>   5. Re: (no subject) (Zach Young)
>   6. Re: Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1 (Dan Swaney)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:10:35 -0500
> From: Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
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> > On 11-Jan-10 11:58, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> > my vocabulary and had a message not sent cause it was too big. it's still
> > waiting. it was about this weekend past. don't worry about sending it
> along.
>
> I approved the message a few minutes after you sent it, so it was sent
> through (they just need to be approved.) The sender just doesn't get a
> copy of the sent message.
>
> zach
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:10:52 -0500
> From: Jon Zuck <jz at frimmin.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
> Message-ID:
>        <64f12f1d1001110910v2fdc66afr32581f233bf0c93d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Albert:
> Try this:
>
> "My message bounced. straight"
>
> "I was unaware that there was a message limit. straighter"
>
> [?]
>
> Jon.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:51 PM, James Albert Bowden <
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > so my message just got kicked back to me.
> > gay.
> > sure its over the message limit. i was unaware that their was a message
> > limit.
> > gay er
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <wsuug-bounces at list.wsuug.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Your mail to 'Wsuug' with the subject
> >>
> >>    Meeting this weekend
> >>
> >> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >>
> >> The reason it is being held:
> >>
> >>    Message body is too big: 53259 bytes with a limit of 40 KB
> >>
> >> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> >> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
> >> this posting, please visit the following URL:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/confirm/wsuug/503af1147c97ce7a3dc6ac2b6362220fad11e32f
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > J. Albert Bowden II
> > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> > c.757.968.9133
> > w.757.351.7204
> > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wsuug mailing list
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Jon
>
> http://www.frimmin.com
> http://www.wildwebweaving.com
> http://bonege.com/
>
> "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your separation
> from God is the hardest work in the world."
>                  ~Hafiz
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:13:19 -0500
> From: Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Message Bounce.....gay
> Message-ID:
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> Jon Zuck <jz at frimmin.com> wrote:
>
> > Albert:
> > Try this:
> >
> > "My message bounced. straight"
> >
> > "I was unaware that there was a message limit. straighter"
> >
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:16:01 -0500
> From: James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com>
> To: wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> Message-ID:
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>
> and how come i didn't get the emails that ken and zach were sending back
> and
> forth about sql? i dont get this email client. whatsoever.
>
> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:17:17 -0500
> From: Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> Message-ID:
>        <424f9b531001110917q321d3d7cm7ce981cadfffe997 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> > and how come i didn't get the emails that ken and zach were sending back
> and
> > forth about sql? i dont get this email client. whatsoever.
>
> You should get everything. Occasionally I find mailing list emails in
> my spam filter, so I'd check there.
>
> Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:52:12 -0500
> From: Dan Swaney <justdan23 at gmail.com>
> To: Web Standards and Usability User Group <wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <C3D1F83D-254E-418E-9E02-356827364299 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii;       format=flowed;
>  delsp=yes
>
> I can't this weekend, but would like to some other weekend.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:52 PM, denisebarba at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I'm open to the possibility. I guess it would depend on what would
> > be accomplished and if i'd be any help, seeing as i don't do the
> > code. :)
> > Early Sat. afternoon/evening (not past 8) would be my only available
> > time.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2010 9:34am, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Yo,
> > > Reese, Kelley and I are trying to get up this weekend and get
> > something, anything, wtfeverthing done this weekend. Anyone else
> > want in?
> > > Saturday or Sunday is good for me. Whenever. Would prefer early
> > afternoon on Saturday, but that's just me.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 9:31 AM, James Albert Bowden
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > well thats an awesome response!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:25 PM, James Albert Bowden
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > i dont get how this email system works. how come some messages
> > have older messages/threads at the bottom and some do not?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM,  wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to
> > >
> > >        wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > >
> > >        http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> > >
> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > >
> > >        wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > >
> > >        wsuug-owner at list.wsuug.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > >
> > > than "Re: Contents of Wsuug digest..."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   1. Re: today was a great day (Kelley Walker)
> > >
> > >   2. Re: (no subject) (Reese)
> > >
> > >   3. Re: (no subject) (Ken Collins)
> > >
> > >   4. Greeking machine (Kelley Walker)
> > >
> > >   5. Re: Greeking machine (Jon Zuck)
> > >
> > >   6. Re: (no subject) (Jon Zuck)
> > >
> > >   7. Re: (no subject) (John M)
> > >
> > >   8. Meeting Reminder (Zach Young)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > >
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
> > >
> > > From: Kelley Walker designlists at inkworkswell.com>
> > >
> > > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] today was a great day
> > >
> > > Message-ID: 6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690 at pop.inkworkswell.com>
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> > >
> > > >e4h summit
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc.
> > summits with
> > >
> > > Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too.
> > I was
> > >
> > > just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for
> > a group
> > >
> > > of us to take it ourselves! :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kelley
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
> > >
> > > Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
> > >
> > > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
> > >
> > > Phone:    (757) 717-9969
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > >
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
> > >
> > > From: Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> > >
> > > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> > >
> > > Message-ID: 4B3B6746.40002 at inkworkswell.com>
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> > >
> > > > though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> > >
> > > for you. @@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> > safeguards,
> > >
> > > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> > >
> > > conduct white hat research on such things.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> > >
> > > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> > >
> > > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > >
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
> > >
> > > From: Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>
> > >
> > > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> > >
> > > Message-ID: FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC at metaskills.net>
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://xkcd.com/327/
> > >
> > > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> > >
> > > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> > >
> > > >> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> > >
> > > >> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent
> > out
> > >
> > > >> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> > >
> > > > for you. @@
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> > safeguards,
> > >
> > > > same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> > >
> > > > conduct white hat research on such things.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong.
> > Just
> > >
> > > > because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit
> > doesn't
> > >
> > > > mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > > Wsuug mailing list
> > >
> > > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > >
> > > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > >
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
> > >
> > > From: "Kelley Walker" kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com>
> > >
> > > To: "'Web Standards and Usability User Group'" wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> > >
> > > Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> > >
> > > Message-ID: 2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C at bendixad.int>
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> > >
> > > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> > >
> > > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> > >
> > > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> > >
> > > "Greeking.")
> > >
> > > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> > >
> > > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kelley
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Kelley Walker
> > >
> > > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> > >
> > > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > >
> > > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 22:48:40 -0500
> > >
> > > From: Jon Zuck jz at frimmin.com>
> > >
> > > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
> > >
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >        64f12f1d1001021948s7d937dsa93ed025de2f6cbd at mail.gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That's cool.  It reminds me a lot of the "Dialectizer."
> > >
> > > http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Kelley Walker
> > > kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
> > >
> > > > mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
> > >
> > > > tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
> > >
> > > > Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
> > >
> > > > "Greeking.")
> > >
> > > > http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
> > >
> > > > ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2http://www.duckisland.com/
> > GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke%0Ating&strParag=5&oStyle=2>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Kelley
> > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > > Kelley Walker
> > >
> > > > Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> > >
> > > > T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > > Wsuug mailing list
> > >
> > > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > >
> > > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.frimmin.com
> > >
> > > http://www.wildwebweaving.com
> > >
> > > http://bonege.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your
> > separation
> > >
> > > from God is the hardest work in the world."
> > >
> > >                  ~Hafiz
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > >
> > > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 10:32:53 -0500
> > >
> > > From: Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> > >
> > > Message-ID: 66D1153F-3DBA-40CA-A5E9-7DC0E171A8FA at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii;
> > format=flowed;  delsp=yes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hilarious!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > http://xkcd.com/327/
> > >
> > > > This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> > >
> > > > Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese reese at inkworkswell.com>
> > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> > >
> > > >>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent
> > out
> > >
> > > >>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that
> > link
> > >
> > > >> for you. @@
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> > >
> > > >> safeguards,
> > >
> > > >> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those
> > who
> > >
> > > >> conduct white hat research on such things.
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong.
> > Just
> > >
> > > >> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit
> > doesn't
> > >
> > > >> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > >> Wsuug mailing list
> > >
> > > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > >
> > > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > > Wsuug mailing list
> > >
> > > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > >
> > > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:15:40 -0500
> > >
> > > From: John M jmewhort at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject)
> > >
> > > Message-ID:
> > >
> > >        4b2320af1001040915q65e7830ck65738617d5eb25b3 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken - that's some funny stuff!  I'm...LMAOMF!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jon Zuck jonzuck at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hilarious!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Ken Collins ken at metaskills.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >> http://xkcd.com/327/
> > >
> > > >> This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic.
> > >
> > > >> Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >> On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >>  On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese
> > reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > > >>>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> > >
> > > >>>>>
> > >
> > > >>>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets
> > sent out
> > >
> > > >>>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> > >
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > >>> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that
> > link
> > >
> > > >>> for you. @@
> > >
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > >>> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with
> > safeguards,
> > >
> > > >>> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those
> > who
> > >
> > > >>> conduct white hat research on such things.
> > >
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > >>> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is
> > wrong. Just
> > >
> > > >>> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit
> > doesn't
> > >
> > > >>> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> > >
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >
> > > >>> Wsuug mailing list
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> > > >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
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> > > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:29:53 -0500
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> > > From: Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com>
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> > > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group wsuug at list.wsuug.org>
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> > > Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Reminder
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> > > January 5, 2010
> > >
> > > 6pm - 7pm
> > >
> > > Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room (room by librarian counter toward
> > >
> > > back of the 2nd floor.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > (Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people
> > desire to do so.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/
> > etc.
> > >
> > > (if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
> > >
> > > but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
> > >
> > > Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good
> > discussion
> > >
> > > as well as a presentation.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 1
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> > > ************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > J. Albert Bowden II
> > > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > >
> > > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> > >
> > > c.757.968.9133
> > > w.757.351.7204
> > > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > J. Albert Bowden II
> > > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > c.757.968.9133
> > > w.757.351.7204
> > > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > J. Albert Bowden II
> > > albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> > > jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> > >
> > > c.757.968.9133
> > > w.757.351.7204
> > > http://bowdenweb.com/
> > > http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wsuug mailing list
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>
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>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>
> End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
> *************************************
>



-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
http://bowdenweb.com/
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From young.zach at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 09:16:09 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001130608s3d6b9593o26c43e7940706555@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.152.1263386728.3351.wsuug@list.wsuug.org>
	<1daba98e1001130608s3d6b9593o26c43e7940706555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b531001130616s7d6a450fi75341d53da401b0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:08 AM, James Albert Bowden
<jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> zach - what does that mean? i sent an email that had to be approved. you
> approved it...and then i have to send it again?

You didn't have to send it twice. It went out to the list after I
approved it (since it was big.)

This one was the same way (75KB.) Trim your messages before sending to
keep the threads nice and neat.

zach

From justdan23 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 23:13:35 2010
From: justdan23 at gmail.com (Dan Swaney)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] MySQL: R.I.P.
In-Reply-To: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
References: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <27B8A510-47A8-45B3-BA3F-9752EB1B6165@gmail.com>

I worry about the same fate for NetBeans...

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:

> http://pooteeweet.org/blog/0/1639
>
> It looks like the writing is on the wall. Unless something major
> changes in the near future - which doesn't seem likely.
>
> Reese
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

From justdan23 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 23:20:30 2010
From: justdan23 at gmail.com (Dan Swaney)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] MySQL: R.I.P.
In-Reply-To: <424f9b531001091430j68f5579ct2350f4888d9fc6f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B48A8E5.8050709@inkworkswell.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20100109113826.053abec0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<4B48FA9E.1070904@inkworkswell.com>
	<424f9b531001091425k6a9dad0dye246e70e9d0341c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<424f9b531001091430j68f5579ct2350f4888d9fc6f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D631AF6-68B1-4A9F-AA97-0EABDB487904@gmail.com>

I do wonder though.  The dates on that web page were before the  
acquisition on April 20, 2009...

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 9, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com> wrote:

> These two links should explain why MySQL 6 was stopped. They're
> adopting a new development cycle model.
>
> http://www.markleith.co.uk/?p=245
> http://forge.mysql.com/wiki/Development_Cycle
>
>
> Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

From justdan23 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 23:26:44 2010
From: justdan23 at gmail.com (Dan Swaney)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:26:44 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e1001110916v343cece4tf6aadd138927ac25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e1001110916v343cece4tf6aadd138927ac25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06FDDEF3-2B30-4147-A14F-24FC34AF785C@gmail.com>

What email client are you using?

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:16 PM, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com 
 > wrote:

> and how come i didn't get the emails that ken and zach were sending  
> back and forth about sql? i dont get this email client. whatsoever.
>
> -- 
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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From kcwalker at inkworkswell.com  Fri Jan 15 07:13:31 2010
From: kcwalker at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 07:13:31 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Web Teks openings
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20100115071322.0463ea30@pop.inkworkswell.com>



Hey all -

I noticed that Web Teks is looking for developers and a team lead:

http://pilot.careers.adicio.com/careers/jobsearch/detail?jobId=22106076&viewType=main&networkView=main

They have a slick new office in Chesapeake (Battlefield/Greenbrier area) 
and bustling shop that does some interesting work, including military 
contract work which looks very interesting. In this town, working on 
military contracts seems to be crucial since so many jobs that open up seem 
to expect some familiarity with that environment.

Kelley  


From ken at metaskills.net  Tue Jan 19 20:45:56 2010
From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:45:56 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Change Blindness
Message-ID: <FCF73998-9D6C-468B-886E-0A2BAFB47590@metaskills.net>


For those that went to 757 Studio and say Andy Hunt's talk, this article/videos from UX Magazine reminded me of it and thought I would share the link.

http://uxmag.com/design/change-blindness?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UXM+%28UX+Magazine%29

From kcwalker at inkworkswell.com  Tue Jan 19 20:56:12 2010
From: kcwalker at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:56:12 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Change Blindness
In-Reply-To: <FCF73998-9D6C-468B-886E-0A2BAFB47590@metaskills.net>
References: <FCF73998-9D6C-468B-886E-0A2BAFB47590@metaskills.net>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20100119205244.030b5930@pop.inkworkswell.com>

At 08:45 PM 1/19/2010, Ken Collins wrote:

>For those that went to 757 Studio and say Andy Hunt's talk, this 
>article/videos from UX Magazine reminded me of it and thought I would 
>share the link.
>
>http://uxmag.com/design/change-blindness?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UXM+%28UX+Magazine%29


Hey Andy, thanks for this. There's not a day that goes by that I don't 
relate what goes on at work with many of the things Hunt wrote about. While 
I had some issues with his theory, the practicalities of what he's talking 
about are what really count in the end!

I'm sorry I didn't get to see him -- you were sold out by the time I 
learned of the seminar. But I'm glad Reese, Charles, and Albert talked him 
up because it made me go out and read the book. Good stuff.

Kelley


When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
Phone: (757) 717-9969 


From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com  Wed Jan 27 14:31:32 2010
From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:31:32 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Agenda for next week
Message-ID: <9B8A7C2C1A2D4A5CAEAE181C27211914@bendixad.int>

So, it's that time again. Next week is our regularly
scheduled Refresh meeting. Again!

So, what's on the agenda? We've got the design from Miss
Awesome aka Denise. Reese has been coding it up. We need
some content for the pages.

What else should we take care of?

Kelley

Kelley Walker
Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969







From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com  Wed Jan 27 14:36:28 2010
From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:36:28 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Sass (Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets)
Message-ID: <C63250CA1EC54554AFBF80DB41AD8D9A@bendixad.int>

 A colleague sent this to our in-house discussion list.
Thought I'd pass it along. I happend to love writing on one
line and can't fathom going back to multi-line. To each hir
own as they say. But given that this is my preference, I
would want to keep my brackets in that case. 
 
Thoughts?
 
Kelley
 
  _____  

From: Guillermo Fisher
[mailto:guillermo.fisher at dominionenterprises.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:54 AM
To: tolui at dominionenterprises.com
Subject: Sass (Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets)



Cool stuff: http://sass-lang.com/

 

--

Guillermo A. Fisher

Senior Web Programmer/Core Team

Dominion Enterprises

guillermo.fisher at dominionenterprises.com

(757) 351-8386

 

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From josh at thisisgrow.com  Wed Jan 27 14:46:04 2010
From: josh at thisisgrow.com (Joshua McDonald)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:46:04 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Sass (Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets)
In-Reply-To: <C63250CA1EC54554AFBF80DB41AD8D9A@bendixad.int>
References: <C63250CA1EC54554AFBF80DB41AD8D9A@bendixad.int>
Message-ID: <ed960c141001271146x1f7a8f15odcd7faea54ee1738@mail.gmail.com>

SASS is by far worth it...

If you're hung up on brackets, the upcoming version of SASS will allow you
to use them, though it seems rather silly to me... its just extra
characters.  With logical tabbing, the need for the brackets is gone... but
that's opinion of course

Even though it was designed for use with Ruby on Rails apps, it is a
standalone command line app as well, and depending on what you're working in
(I use textmate) a simple keybind is possible... so i work in SASS, then
save and hit cmd-r and it writes the real css file.  Bonus is the option to
write a compressed/minified css file for distribution, or a debug css file
that puts the line numbers from the sass file as comments in the css file so
you can find stuff quickly for working in it...

SASS is by far one of the best tools in a web dev's toolbox I think.
 basically bolt on a little logic and allow variables in CSS and that's what
SASS is.

Joshua McDonald
Grow Interactive
www.thisisgrow.com
757-248-5274
757-248-5275 (f)


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Kelley Walker <
kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:

>   A colleague sent this to our in-house discussion list. Thought I'd pass
> it along. I happend to love writing on one line and can't fathom going back
> to multi-line. To each hir own as they say. But given that this is my
> preference, I would want to keep my brackets in that case.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Kelley
>
>  ------------------------------
>  *From:* Guillermo Fisher [mailto:guillermo.fisher at dominionenterprises.com]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:54 AM
> *To:* tolui at dominionenterprises.com
> *Subject:* Sass (Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets)
>
>  Cool stuff: http://sass-lang.com/
>
>
>
> --
>
> Guillermo A. Fisher
>
> Senior Web Programmer/Core Team
>
> Dominion Enterprises
>
> guillermo.fisher at dominionenterprises.com
>
> (757) 351-8386
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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From ken at metaskills.net  Wed Jan 27 14:56:38 2010
From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:56:38 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Sass (Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets)
In-Reply-To: <ed960c141001271146x1f7a8f15odcd7faea54ee1738@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C63250CA1EC54554AFBF80DB41AD8D9A@bendixad.int>
	<ed960c141001271146x1f7a8f15odcd7faea54ee1738@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DAA53919-EA1E-4FFF-B325-FB432076BF94@metaskills.net>


Agreed. I used SASS (HAML too) when I did the 757studio site. File here:
http://github.com/metaskills/757studio/blob/master/public/stylesheets/sass/site.sass

The output is great per the indenting cause all the selectors are scoped. I've coded myself into CSS corners before and I really like how SASS keeps things lean and clean. On a similar note, I've started using the 960 grid system on newer projects too. A wonder wonderful starting point for PhotoShop designs and ultimately when coding begins.


 - Ken

On Jan 27, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Joshua McDonald wrote:

> SASS is by far worth it...
> 
> If you're hung up on brackets, the upcoming version of SASS will allow you to use them, though it seems rather silly to me... its just extra characters.  With logical tabbing, the need for the brackets is gone... but that's opinion of course
> 
> Even though it was designed for use with Ruby on Rails apps, it is a standalone command line app as well, and depending on what you're working in (I use textmate) a simple keybind is possible... so i work in SASS, then save and hit cmd-r and it writes the real css file.  Bonus is the option to write a compressed/minified css file for distribution, or a debug css file that puts the line numbers from the sass file as comments in the css file so you can find stuff quickly for working in it...
> 
> SASS is by far one of the best tools in a web dev's toolbox I think.  basically bolt on a little logic and allow variables in CSS and that's what SASS is.
> 
> Joshua McDonald
> Grow Interactive
> www.thisisgrow.com
> 757-248-5274
> 757-248-5275 (f)
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Kelley Walker <kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
>  A colleague sent this to our in-house discussion list. Thought I'd pass it along. I happend to love writing on one line and can't fathom going back to multi-line. To each hir own as they say. But given that this is my preference, I would want to keep my brackets in that case.
>  
> Thoughts?
>  
> Kelley
>  
> From: Guillermo Fisher [mailto:guillermo.fisher at dominionenterprises.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:54 AM
> To: tolui at dominionenterprises.com
> Subject: Sass (Syntactically Awesome Stylesheets)
> 
> Cool stuff: http://sass-lang.com/
> 
>  
> --
> 
> Guillermo A. Fisher
> 
> Senior Web Programmer/Core Team
> 
> Dominion Enterprises
> 
> guillermo.fisher at dominionenterprises.com
> 
> (757) 351-8386
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jz at frimmin.com  Thu Jan 28 10:35:54 2010
From: jz at frimmin.com (Jon Zuck)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:35:54 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Change Blindness
In-Reply-To: <FCF73998-9D6C-468B-886E-0A2BAFB47590@metaskills.net>
References: <FCF73998-9D6C-468B-886E-0A2BAFB47590@metaskills.net>
Message-ID: <64f12f1d1001280735o50246ccdl49d26906bf19260b@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! What a funny/scary/interesting/enlightening article! Loved the vids!
Thanks!



On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Ken Collins <ken at metaskills.net> wrote:

>
> For those that went to 757 Studio and say Andy Hunt's talk, this
> article/videos from UX Magazine reminded me of it and thought I would share
> the link.
>
>
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From kcwalker at inkworkswell.com  Sat Jan 30 07:24:38 2010
From: kcwalker at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:24:38 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: Sr. PHP Developer
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20100130072358.04b0b4b8@pop.inkworkswell.com>

Mike Kuykendall phoned me yesterday and I told him I'd pass this along. His 
contact information is below.


Essential Job Functions:

A full-time web application developer is needed to build and maintain
complex web applications. Development will be done in a PHP environment,
using Oracle databases. Primary responsibilities include design,
development and maintaining a flexible, scalable and high-performance
browser-based front-end framework. Additional responsibilities include
developing requirements, estimating, performing demos, managing customer
relationships, ensuring timely response to customer needs, and reporting
status. The candidate should have strong experience in web design and
development. Strong communication skills and customer orientation is
required.

.   At least 4 years hands-on experience developing PHP applications
.   At least 6 years experience working in a software development
environment
.   Hands-on experience with software version control tools
.   Experience using web technologies (HTTP, HTML, XHTML, Javascript,
CSS, Flash, etc.)
.   Experience executing defined software development lifecycle
methodologies
.   Experience providing written and verbal feedback to varying levels
of organization
.   Ability to understand new technology and drive for working with new
tools
.   Ability and desire to solve complex software problems and to meet
multiple competing objectives
.   Understanding of databases (SQL Server, Oracle) and strong SQL
.   General knowledge of networks (TCP/IP, firewalls, security)
.   Strong verbal and written communication skills
Required Qualifications (Education, Experience, & Abilities):

o   B.S./B.A. in Computer Science, or Information Systems
o   4 + years of business experience in PHP web application development
o   Ability to work in a team environment and independently with minimal 
guidance
o   Must be a self-starter with the ability to maintain focus in the
face of a changing business environment
o   Excellent oral and written communication skills.
o   Expertise in Microsoft Excel and PowerPoint is required.


Jim Kuykendall
Recruiting Manager
kuykendall at esgi.net

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ESG International
Energy Services Group International
3601 La Grange Parkway
Toano, VA 23168
Office Main:757.741.4040
Cell: 757.619. 3097
Toll-Free: 800.215.2319
www.esgi.net



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From young.zach at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 12:18:26 2010
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:18:26 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Agenda for next week
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There's nothing else on the agenda except for that and some announcements, etc.

Does anyone have any topics they would like to discuss?


Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org



On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Kelley Walker
<kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com> wrote:
> So, it's that time again. Next week is our regularly
> scheduled Refresh meeting. Again!
>
> So, what's on the agenda? We've got the design from Miss
> Awesome aka Denise. Reese has been coding it up. We need
> some content for the pages.
>
> What else should we take care of?
>
> Kelley
>
> Kelley Walker
> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
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