From young.zach at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 10:17:53 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Mon Nov 2 09:23:27 2009 Subject: [Wsuug] Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow Message-ID: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> Just a reminder of the meeting tomorrow (November 3, 2009.) We'll be starting at the Dominion Enterprises building which requires a guest list, so if you don't work there, RSVP by noon tomorrow. Zach From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com Mon Nov 2 12:31:32 2009 From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Mon Nov 2 11:37:20 2009 Subject: [Wsuug] Please RSVP if you're attending Refresh meeting 11/3 Message-ID: Hey everyone, I've got Denise, Reese, and Zach marked as attending tomorrow's meeting at Dominion Enterprises. If anyone else wants to attend who aren't employees of Dominion, I'll need an RSVP by noon tomorrow. Thanks! Kelley From reese at inkworkswell.com Mon Nov 2 15:03:48 2009 From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese) Date: Mon Nov 2 14:09:52 2009 Subject: [Wsuug] Please RSVP if you're attending WSUUG-Refresh meeting 11/3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AEF3B24.2090302@inkworkswell.com> Kelley Walker wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've got Denise, Reese, and Zach marked as attending > tomorrow's meeting at Dominion Enterprises. If anyone else > wants to attend who aren't employees of Dominion, I'll need > an RSVP by noon tomorrow. This will also be a chance to report on tasking from the last meeting and move forward on the "Refresh" issue that has been in the wings without a whole group and I mean all of us, majority up or down vote for far too long. Be there or be square, eh? We need the creatives and the developers and everyone else to bring their concerns and ideas both, forward. If ya' snooze, ya' lose. So show up and let's make this a meeting that is rewarding for all. ;) Reese From young.zach at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 09:40:06 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:40:06 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> Don't forget to RSVP if you are coming. Zach On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Zach Young wrote: > Just a reminder of the meeting tomorrow (November 3, 2009.) We'll be > starting at the Dominion Enterprises building which requires a guest > list, so if you don't work there, RSVP by noon tomorrow. > > Zach > From chrismjones at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 09:46:39 2009 From: chrismjones at gmail.com (Christopher Jones) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:46:39 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Reminder: Meeting Tomorrow In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. What floor is it on since I'm in the building already? On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Zach Young wrote: > Don't forget to RSVP if you are coming. > > Zach > > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Zach Young wrote: > > Just a reminder of the meeting tomorrow (November 3, 2009.) We'll be > > starting at the Dominion Enterprises building which requires a guest > > list, so if you don't work there, RSVP by noon tomorrow. > > > > Zach > > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From designlists at inkworkswell.com Wed Nov 4 06:37:11 2009 From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] thanks In-Reply-To: References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063628.046e69b0@pop.inkworkswell.com> Thanks to everyone who came to the meeting last night. I got some great feedback and I really appreciate it. Kelley From designlists at inkworkswell.com Wed Nov 4 06:40:45 2009 From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we never talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. I did a little brainstorming over the weekend, about how to get the word out. I know Reese has a report on possible venues for holding the meetings. Should we just carry on the conversation via email because if we wait for the next meeting, it will take forever to get anything done. The holidays won't be the best time to launch anything, but January will be an excellent time I think, so maybe we can get the ball rolling, keep up the momentum....? Thoughts? Kelley From reese at inkworkswell.com Wed Nov 4 10:32:44 2009 From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> Kelley Walker wrote: > I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we never > talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. There were a couple of brief side conversations, this is where they are followed-up on. ;) Other tasking from last month is drafting a letter (email) to send to the people in Albert's db and if it hasn't happened yet, Albert could you Cc: that list of addresses to Zach and myself, give the access data to the Web site or however you want to handle that? > I did a little brainstorming over the weekend, about how to get the word > out. I know Reese has a report on possible venues for holding the meetings. Yes. At Mo's, I was waiting for you to return to the table but then I thought that via email broadcast to everybody would be better. I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library and MacAurthur Mall. Each has pros and cons: NPL: - A small table & 6-chair room behind a glass wall just off of the elevator on the 2nd floor. Suitable for small groups where presentations do not require a projector. Is available to groups of two or more people on a first-come, first-served basis - A larger room across from the reference desk on the 2nd floor. Will seat up to about 25-30 people and a projector is available. Requires scheduling with a particular Librarian, I have her contact information. There was a small coffee mess that I did not ask about, bringing soda or other non-alcoholic drinks should not be an issue - No food availability - I was told there is a larger area in the basement, I did not view it or ask for more information since the room with projector seems entirely adequate for our needs Mall: - The mall security office will not object to groups holding meetings in the food court, just take over a section of the seating and have at it. They ask that the group does not get too noisy and that it straighten up after itself - The food court can be noisy for other reasons, children in a designated play area and other patrons primarily. There is also a certain amount of echo to contend with - Large variety of available food - Depending on group size, meeting at Chili's or Max & Erma's or other not-quite-food-court food establishments in the mall may be an option but would likely require calling ahead to make reservations Overall, I lean towards meeting at NPL because of the projector although Zach and I have bandied the idea of coming up with our own projector that we could take anywhere. If we meet at NPL, those who desire can adjourn to wherever for drinks and further conversation after the meeting. Reese From young.zach at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 11:23:30 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library and > MacAurthur Mall. NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else for after meeting drinks and food. >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we never >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. Albert's said he'll send the list over. We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out how to put the content on there. For reference: Refresh Hampton Roads: http://refreshhamptonroads.org/ WSUUG: http://wsuug.org/ Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org From mail at ryanbrunsvold.com Wed Nov 4 12:12:24 2009 From: mail at ryanbrunsvold.com (Ryan Brunsvold) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:12:24 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1499abcc0911040912w593c6be1gd6c41e02e66cd9a6@mail.gmail.com> I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other members to refine it. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young wrote: > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library and > > MacAurthur Mall. > > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else > for after meeting drinks and food. > > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we never > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. > > Albert's said he'll send the list over. > > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft > the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. > > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the > current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out > how to put the content on there. > > For reference: > Refresh Hampton Roads: http://refreshhamptonroads.org/ > WSUUG: http://wsuug.org/ > > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denisebarba at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 12:35:49 2009 From: denisebarba at gmail.com (denisebarba at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:35:49 +0000 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <1499abcc0911040912w593c6be1gd6c41e02e66cd9a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c09f93e0cca5f9c804778f0add@google.com> Ryan, if you need help with design, I'm up for assisting/brainstorming/pushing some pixels. On Nov 4, 2009 12:12pm, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: > I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other > members to refine it. > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com> wrote: > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library and > > MacAurthur Mall. > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else > for after meeting drinks and food. > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we never > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. > Albert's said he'll send the list over. > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft > the letter? I can help, but I'ma little busy right now. > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the > current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out > how to put the content on there. > For reference: > Refresh Hampton Roads: http://refreshhamptonroads.org/ > WSUUG: http://wsuug.org/ > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at ryanbrunsvold.com Wed Nov 4 12:58:02 2009 From: mail at ryanbrunsvold.com (Ryan Brunsvold) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:58:02 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <00c09f93e0cca5f9c804778f0add@google.com> References: <1499abcc0911040912w593c6be1gd6c41e02e66cd9a6@mail.gmail.com> <00c09f93e0cca5f9c804778f0add@google.com> Message-ID: <1499abcc0911040958p49cd0c60w847827ff0454fb3e@mail.gmail.com> Awesome, thanks D. I'll work up a few designs and send them to you this weekend. On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, wrote: > Ryan, if you need help with design, I'm up for > assisting/brainstorming/pushing some pixels. > > > > On Nov 4, 2009 12:12pm, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: > > I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other > members to refine it. > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library and > > > > > > > MacAurthur Mall. > > > > > > > > > > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are > > > > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in > > > > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've > > > > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else > > > > for after meeting drinks and food. > > > > > > > > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we > never > > > > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. > > > > > > > > > > Albert's said he'll send the list over. > > > > > > > > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the > > > > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a > > > > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after > > > > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the > > > > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft > > > > the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. > > > > > > > > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content > > > > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, > > > > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? 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URL: From chrismjones at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 13:00:30 2009 From: chrismjones at gmail.com (Christopher Jones) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:00:30 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <1499abcc0911040958p49cd0c60w847827ff0454fb3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1499abcc0911040912w593c6be1gd6c41e02e66cd9a6@mail.gmail.com> <00c09f93e0cca5f9c804778f0add@google.com> <1499abcc0911040958p49cd0c60w847827ff0454fb3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I can probably squeeze in some time to help build if needed since it looks like we have design well in hand. :) ~ Christopher On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: > Awesome, thanks D. I'll work up a few designs and send them to you this > weekend. > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, wrote: > >> Ryan, if you need help with design, I'm up for >> assisting/brainstorming/pushing some pixels. >> >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2009 12:12pm, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: >> > I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other >> members to refine it. >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library and >> > >> > >> > > MacAurthur Mall. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are >> > >> > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in >> > >> > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've >> > >> > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else >> > >> > for after meeting drinks and food. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we >> never >> > >> > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Albert's said he'll send the list over. >> > >> > >> > >> > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the >> > >> > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a >> > >> > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after >> > >> > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the >> > >> > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft >> > >> > the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. >> > >> > >> > >> > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content >> > >> > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, >> > >> > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? 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URL: From jalbertbowden at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 14:04:42 2009 From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (J.Albert Bowden) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:04:42 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject) Message-ID: <1daba98e0911041104k655574c8m1cac8c7a602bfe39@mail.gmail.com> whaddup. anyone thought about meeting more than once a month? has that already been shot down? i'm all for it...obviously we all have lives to live (except for me) so what do ya'll think? -- J. Albert Bowden II albert.bowden at residentsource.com jalbertbowden at gmail.com c.757.968.9133 w.757.351.7204 http://bowdenweb.com/ http://refreshhamptonroads.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From young.zach at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 14:51:36 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1daba98e0911041104k655574c8m1cac8c7a602bfe39@mail.gmail.com> References: <1daba98e0911041104k655574c8m1cac8c7a602bfe39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424f9b530911041151p414e8b35pf889a3b2233ce893@mail.gmail.com> J.Albert Bowden wrote: > anyone thought about meeting more than once a month? Andrew talked about it when we first started, but I think the verdict was that more than once a month was too much. I know I don't have time for it usually. We could possibly have a second more low key meeting if other people are up for it. I probably wouldn't be able to attend every one, though. Any other thoughts on this? Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org From young.zach at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 14:57:06 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:57:06 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: References: <1499abcc0911040912w593c6be1gd6c41e02e66cd9a6@mail.gmail.com> <00c09f93e0cca5f9c804778f0add@google.com> <1499abcc0911040958p49cd0c60w847827ff0454fb3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <424f9b530911041157n6b017e65oaed0c8010c97fd34@mail.gmail.com> Alright, sounds great. Thanks all. Can we plan to have some sort of design to present to the group by the next meeting (December 1) or is that too soon with Thanksgiving and all. It doesn't need to be built out or anything, just some ideas that we can then plan on implementing. Thanks! Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Christopher Jones wrote: > I can probably squeeze in some time to help build if needed since it looks > like we have design well in hand. :) > > ~ Christopher > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ryan Brunsvold > wrote: >> >> Awesome, thanks D. I'll work up a few designs and send them to you this >> weekend. >> >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, wrote: >>> >>> Ryan, if you need help with design, I'm up for >>> assisting/brainstorming/pushing some pixels. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 4, 2009 12:12pm, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: >>> > I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other >>> > members to refine it. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library >>> > > and >>> > >>> > >>> > > MacAurthur Mall. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are >>> > >>> > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in >>> > >>> > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've >>> > >>> > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else >>> > >>> > for after meeting drinks and food. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we >>> > >> never >>> > >>> > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Albert's said he'll send the list over. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the >>> > >>> > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a >>> > >>> > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after >>> > >>> > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the >>> > >>> > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft >>> > >>> > the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content >>> > >>> > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, >>> > >>> > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the >>> > >>> > current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out >>> > >>> > how to put the content on there. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > For reference: >>> > >>> > Refresh Hampton Roads: http://refreshhamptonroads.org/ >>> > >>> > WSUUG: http://wsuug.org/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > Wsuug mailing list >>> > >>> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >>> > >>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wsuug mailing list >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wsuug mailing list >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > From denisebarba at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 15:23:51 2009 From: denisebarba at gmail.com (denisebarba at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:23:51 +0000 Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911041151p414e8b35pf889a3b2233ce893@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0016e647601297bd87047791638f@google.com> I think for the future it could be something to consider, since we're rebranding as ReFresh. More meetings could be more tailored events to focused on different subjects. Hopefully if the group grows, there would be more subject matter. Right now, I think it would be a stretch to have more than one 'presentation' meeting a month. Maybe a second 'networking' meeting a month could work, for possible new people to come. On Nov 4, 2009 2:51pm, Zach Young wrote: > J.Albert Bowden jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote: > > anyone thought about meeting more than once a month? > Andrew talked about it when we first started, but I think the verdict > was that more than once a month was too much. I know I don't have time > for it usually. We could possibly have a second more low key meeting > if other people are up for it. I probably wouldn't be able to attend > every one, though. Any other thoughts on this? > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jalbertbowden at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 15:46:20 2009 From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (J.Albert Bowden) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:46:20 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Wsuug Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1daba98e0911041246y2e6fbfaam172758c5a67cac6e@mail.gmail.com> i'm open to anything but as far as design goes, shouldn't we figure out what's going up first? there are random ass pages i've made for the site, but i never knew what/how about to get it going, obviously. as far as the letter goes, the one that i started and have had since the summer is just the general refresh verbage. " *Refresh* is a community of designers and developers working to refresh the *creative*, *technical*, and *professional culture* of New Media endeavors in their areas. Promoting *design*, *technology*, *usability*, and * standards*. The Refresh Manifesto - Let's Gather Great Minds - Let's Share All Of Our Knowledge - Let's All Grow And Learn - Let's Promote Local Talent - Let's Be More Than We Think Can Be - Let's Make Our Cities Better" yeah - nice cut and paste! i started playing around with ideas for the manifesto, etc, but never really came up with anything substantial or concrete. i also just joined the refresh linked in group here: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?=&gid=56738&goback=.anb_56738_*2 aaron post is the moderator who is also the dude who started refresh and i emailed a few times. if you check out the list of refresh sites, you'll notice chicago has a new one. if you look at their site, it fucking sux and is the main reason why i waited before taking any steps forward. random - if refresh is all about standards/accessibility, are we going to be posting on these topics? or posting good references for them? think i should make a twitter for refresh? On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:22 AM, wrote: > Send Wsuug mailing list submissions to > wsuug at list.wsuug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wsuug-request at list.wsuug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wsuug-owner at list.wsuug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wsuug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Refresh (denisebarba at gmail.com) > 2. Re: Refresh (Ryan Brunsvold) > 3. Re: Refresh (Christopher Jones) > 4. (no subject) (J.Albert Bowden) > 5. Re: (no subject) (Zach Young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:35:49 +0000 > From: denisebarba at gmail.com > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Refresh > Message-ID: <00c09f93e0cca5f9c804778f0add at google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; > DelSp="yes" > > Ryan, if you need help with design, I'm up for > assisting/brainstorming/pushing some pixels. > > > > On Nov 4, 2009 12:12pm, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: > > I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other > > members to refine it. > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library and > > > > > MacAurthur Mall. > > > > > > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are > > > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in > > > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've > > > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else > > > for after meeting drinks and food. > > > > > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we > never > > > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. > > > > > > Albert's said he'll send the list over. > > > > > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the > > > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a > > > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after > > > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the > > > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft > > > the letter? I can help, but I'ma little busy right now. > > > > > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content > > > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, > > > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the > > > current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out > > > how to put the content on there. > > > > > For reference: > > > Refresh Hampton Roads: http://refreshhamptonroads.org/ > > > WSUUG: http://wsuug.org/ > > > > > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wsuug mailing list > > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/pipermail/wsuug/attachments/20091104/5309e67e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:58:02 -0500 > From: Ryan Brunsvold > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Refresh > Message-ID: > <1499abcc0911040958p49cd0c60w847827ff0454fb3e at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Awesome, thanks D. I'll work up a few designs and send them to you this > weekend. > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, wrote: > > > Ryan, if you need help with design, I'm up for > > assisting/brainstorming/pushing some pixels. > > > > > > > > On Nov 4, 2009 12:12pm, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: > > > I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other > > members to refine it. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library > and > > > > > > > > > > MacAurthur Mall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are > > > > > > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in > > > > > > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've > > > > > > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else > > > > > > for after meeting drinks and food. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we > > never > > > > > > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Albert's said he'll send the list over. > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the > > > > > > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a > > > > > > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after > > > > > > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the > > > > > > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft > > > > > > the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content > > > > > > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, > > > > > > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the > > > > > > current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out > > > > > > how to put the content on there. > > > > > > > > > > > > For reference: > > > > > > Refresh Hampton Roads: http://refreshhamptonroads.org/ > > > > > > WSUUG: http://wsuug.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wsuug mailing list > > > > > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > > > > > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wsuug mailing list > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/pipermail/wsuug/attachments/20091104/644fc100/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:00:30 -0500 > From: Christopher Jones > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] Refresh > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I can probably squeeze in some time to help build if needed since it looks > like we have design well in hand. :) > > ~ Christopher > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Ryan Brunsvold >wrote: > > > Awesome, thanks D. I'll work up a few designs and send them to you this > > weekend. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM, wrote: > > > >> Ryan, if you need help with design, I'm up for > >> assisting/brainstorming/pushing some pixels. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Nov 4, 2009 12:12pm, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: > >> > I'll offer to take a shot at the design and/or work with the other > >> members to refine it. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Zach Young young.zach at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I scouted two possible venues: the Norfolk downtown public library > and > >> > > >> > > >> > > MacAurthur Mall. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > NPL sounds like the best option. I didn't see any cons for that, are > >> > > >> > there any? Are there any requirements for the size of the group in > >> > > >> > order to reserve the bigger room? We can always continue what we've > >> > > >> > been doing there. Meet with a presentation and then go somewhere else > >> > > >> > for after meeting drinks and food. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> I realized last night, on the way home after the meeting, that we > >> never > >> > > >> > >> talked about Refresh while we were at Mo's. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Albert's said he'll send the list over. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the > >> > > >> > Refresh list. I think it should contain a link to join this list and a > >> > > >> > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after > >> > > >> > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the > >> > > >> > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft > >> > > >> > the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content > >> > > >> > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, > >> > > >> > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the > >> > > >> > current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out > >> > > >> > how to put the content on there. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > For reference: > >> > > >> > Refresh Hampton Roads: http://refreshhamptonroads.org/ > >> > > >> > WSUUG: http://wsuug.org/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> > Wsuug mailing list > >> > > >> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > >> > > >> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wsuug mailing list > >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wsuug mailing list > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/pipermail/wsuug/attachments/20091104/0367bde9/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:04:42 -0500 > From: "J.Albert Bowden" > To: wsuug at list.wsuug.org > Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject) > Message-ID: > <1daba98e0911041104k655574c8m1cac8c7a602bfe39 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > whaddup. > anyone thought about meeting more than once a month? has that already been > shot down? i'm all for it...obviously we all have lives to live (except for > me) so what do ya'll think? > > -- > J. Albert Bowden II > albert.bowden at residentsource.com > jalbertbowden at gmail.com > c.757.968.9133 > w.757.351.7204 > http://bowdenweb.com/ > http://refreshhamptonroads.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/pipermail/wsuug/attachments/20091104/f415821e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:51:36 -0500 > From: Zach Young > To: Web Standards and Usability User Group > Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject) > Message-ID: > <424f9b530911041151p414e8b35pf889a3b2233ce893 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > J.Albert Bowden wrote: > > anyone thought about meeting more than once a month? > > Andrew talked about it when we first started, but I think the verdict > was that more than once a month was too much. I know I don't have time > for it usually. We could possibly have a second more low key meeting > if other people are up for it. I probably wouldn't be able to attend > every one, though. Any other thoughts on this? > > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > > End of Wsuug Digest, Vol 29, Issue 2 > ************************************ > -- J. Albert Bowden II albert.bowden at residentsource.com jalbertbowden at gmail.com c.757.968.9133 w.757.351.7204 http://bowdenweb.com/ http://refreshhamptonroads.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com Wed Nov 4 17:17:55 2009 From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <0016e647601297bd87047791638f@google.com> References: <424f9b530911041151p414e8b35pf889a3b2233ce893@mail.gmail.com> <0016e647601297bd87047791638f@google.com> Message-ID: <6A986BD32137484296C5238B89B12FF2@bendixad.int> Agreed. I think that, were the group bigger, and we had things to do, we'd have subcommittees meeting in between the monthly, in order to get things done. I think right now, though, that maybe albert, reese and I and anyone else who can, should meet more frequently to hash thing out and get things done. k _____ From: wsuug-bounces at list.wsuug.org [mailto:wsuug-bounces at list.wsuug.org] On Behalf Of denisebarba at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 3:24 PM To: Web Standards and Usability User Group Subject: Re: [Wsuug] (no subject) I think for the future it could be something to consider, since we're rebranding as ReFresh. More meetings could be more tailored events to focused on different subjects. Hopefully if the group grows, there would be more subject matter. Right now, I think it would be a stretch to have more than one 'presentation' meeting a month. Maybe a second 'networking' meeting a month could work, for possible new people to come. On Nov 4, 2009 2:51pm, Zach Young wrote: > J.Albert Bowden jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote: > > > anyone thought about meeting more than once a month? > > > > Andrew talked about it when we first started, but I think the verdict > > was that more than once a month was too much. I know I don't have time > > for it usually. We could possibly have a second more low key meeting > > if other people are up for it. I probably wouldn't be able to attend > > every one, though. Any other thoughts on this? > > > > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Wsuug mailing list > > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com Wed Nov 4 17:22:17 2009 From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:22:17 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Questions to ask another Refresh organizer In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com><424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <69F65FC1033140D0A625DE4D4FAF995D@bendixad.int> Last week, I learned that a developer working in a Tallahassee office at Dominion Enterprises started the Tallahassee Refresh three years ago. He's offered to give us advice about how to get things off the ground. I told him I'd bring the issue up at the meeting, and collect questions for him. So, since I neglected to do that, any questions for him? I'll see about phoning him sometimes and maybe interviewing him and then sharing the interview as a publication for the Refresh blog! :) Kelley From reese at inkworkswell.com Wed Nov 4 18:05:44 2009 From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:05:44 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF208C8.6050802@inkworkswell.com> Zach Young wrote: > ...Are there any requirements for the size of the group in > order to reserve the bigger room[at NPL]? None I'm aware of, it seems more to be a scheduling issue and not conflicting with other groups who might want to use that room at that particular time. Reese From reese at inkworkswell.com Wed Nov 4 18:08:36 2009 From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:08:36 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AF20974.3010005@inkworkswell.com> Zach Young wrote: > Albert's said he'll send the list over. Albert sent me data on the etc. via IM, I'll consult with you tomorrow, Zach. > We need to discuss the contents of the introductory email to the > Refresh list. Uhm. > I think it should contain a link to join this list and a > call for presentations and topics. Let's plan on sending one out after > we've solidified the location plan and have everything set for the > next meeting. By November 20th? Does anyone want to volunteer to draft > the letter? I can help, but I'm a little busy right now. I'll volunteer to draft the letter. > We will also need to spruce up the website a bit. We have some content > on the current WSUUG site that we can port over (old presentations, > etc.) Anyone want to volunteer to take a shot at a design? I think the > current design looks pretty good, but we'll just need to figure out > how to put the content on there. I'll volunteer for that too, if the other volunteers do not beat me to it. ;) Reese From young.zach at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 22:14:51 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <4AF20974.3010005@inkworkswell.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> <4AF20974.3010005@inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <424f9b530911041914x45f3d8d4t83571f9ee3be68b2@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for all the feedback today everyone. Reese wrote: > None I'm aware of, it seems more to be a scheduling issue and not > conflicting with other groups who might want to use that room at > that particular time. Cool. Can we go ahead and (try to) reserve the room for December? > Albert sent me data on the etc. via IM, I'll consult with you > tomorrow, Zach. Sounds good. > I'll volunteer to draft the letter. Great. I can help. Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org From jz at frimmin.com Thu Nov 5 11:12:32 2009 From: jz at frimmin.com (Jon Zuck) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 11:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911041914x45f3d8d4t83571f9ee3be68b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> <4AF20974.3010005@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911041914x45f3d8d4t83571f9ee3be68b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64f12f1d0911050812g4a979252j17e81fbf56e57e56@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like I missed the best meeting since it started! Bummer! Frim on, HR ReFresh! jon On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Zach Young wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback today everyone. > > Reese wrote: > > > None I'm aware of, it seems more to be a scheduling issue and not > > conflicting with other groups who might want to use that room at > > that particular time. > > Cool. Can we go ahead and (try to) reserve the room for December? > > > Albert sent me data on the etc. via IM, I'll consult with you > > tomorrow, Zach. > > Sounds good. > > > I'll volunteer to draft the letter. > > Great. I can help. > > > > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > -- Jon http://www.frimmin.com http://www.wildwebweaving.com http://bonege.com/ "Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. 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Kelley From mail at ryanbrunsvold.com Thu Nov 5 14:37:34 2009 From: mail at ryanbrunsvold.com (Ryan Brunsvold) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:37:34 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091105142604.0378abb0@pop.inkworkswell.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> <4AF20974.3010005@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911041914x45f3d8d4t83571f9ee3be68b2@mail.gmail.com> <64f12f1d0911050812g4a979252j17e81fbf56e57e56@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091105142604.0378abb0@pop.inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <1499abcc0911051137wc67053ex6c6cf4ed3f55ec3c@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I'm sorry I missed it as well. I am however looking forward to moving Refresh forward and hopefully creating a larger community out of our collective efforts. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Kelley Walker wrote: > At 11:12 AM 11/5/2009, Jon Zuck wrote: > >> Sounds like I missed the best meeting since it started! Bummer! >> Frim on, HR ReFresh! >> >> jon >> > > we missed you Jon! But I can't wait to get this pah-tay started! I'm so > psyched! > > > Kelley > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adam at uptill3.com Thu Nov 5 14:44:05 2009 From: adam at uptill3.com (Adam Crosby) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:44:05 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh In-Reply-To: <1499abcc0911051137wc67053ex6c6cf4ed3f55ec3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <424f9b530911020717yd7d1873v1b44a920045eb436@mail.gmail.com> <424f9b530911030640x611da73bw13bd202e9538ed22@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091104063717.046cf900@pop.inkworkswell.com> <4AF19E9C.7040202@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911040823i4ec73418r6cdb9a6508c6b7f7@mail.gmail.com> <4AF20974.3010005@inkworkswell.com> <424f9b530911041914x45f3d8d4t83571f9ee3be68b2@mail.gmail.com> <64f12f1d0911050812g4a979252j17e81fbf56e57e56@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20091105142604.0378abb0@pop.inkworkswell.com> <1499abcc0911051137wc67053ex6c6cf4ed3f55ec3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52A35A2A-E35E-450B-9267-415B25A40814@uptill3.com> So, I'm not a huge contributor to this list or group, but I'm dying to know what ReFresh is - mostly because it's *impossible* to google for (which is hilarious given a web-centric group like this) :) Can someone point me at a link to figure out what I'm missing? -- Adam On Nov 5, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Ryan Brunsvold wrote: > Yeah, I'm sorry I missed it as well. I am however looking forward to > moving Refresh forward and hopefully creating a larger community out > of our collective efforts. > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Kelley Walker > wrote: > At 11:12 AM 11/5/2009, Jon Zuck wrote: > Sounds like I missed the best meeting since it started! Bummer! > Frim on, HR ReFresh! > > jon > > we missed you Jon! But I can't wait to get this pah-tay started! I'm > so psyched! > > > Kelley > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am however looking forward to moving > Refresh forward and hopefully creating a larger community out of our > collective efforts. > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Kelley Walker < > designlists at inkworkswell.com> wrote: > >> At 11:12 AM 11/5/2009, Jon Zuck wrote: >> >>> Sounds like I missed the best meeting since it started! Bummer! >>> Frim on, HR ReFresh! >>> >>> jon >>> >> >> we missed you Jon! But I can't wait to get this pah-tay started! I'm so >> psyched! >> >> >> Kelley >> _______________________________________________ >> Wsuug mailing list >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at metaskills.net Sat Nov 7 19:59:41 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:59:41 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies Message-ID: Greetings Everyone, My name is Ken Collins [1] and I may have met a few of ya'll at this weeks 757 Studio [2]. For those that do not know, I head up the local ruby [3] and objective-c [4] user groups and the recent studio event was a little brain child of mine to help help drive awareness of these groups, and perhaps others, to the local business community. While at the studio event, a few of ya'll brought up the possibility of sharing speakers and topics. Most ruby web application developers that I know are real keen on web standards, including my self, heck I used to be a designer too. To that end I invite all that are interested in learning about web application development with ruby/ rails to attend our 101 course on the heels of the 757 studio, details below. We have a great venue at my old work place Decipher right in downtown Norfolk. http://ruby.meetup.com/130/calendar/11821650/ Now on the topic of synergies. I've given talks at our ruby meetup that I can do again if this group finds them interesting. For instance, I'm a big nut about object oriented JavaScript construction driven in an unobtrusive way, ie no tag soup [5][6]. I would love to give this talk or any other that possibly relates to how the rails framework has ongoing support for web standards like leveraging dataset attributes, etc. So if this email is not long enough already, I was just reading some back threads and noticed something about "refresh". Just my 2cents... why do we need some Arizona based social media junkie [7] helping us locally? Does the refresh site actually do something? For instance, one thing I liked about Grow Interactive (the first venue for 757 studio) was they deployed a community site for Tidewater's creative pros. Local to local is what it is all about. If it is a matter of tools, we have been using meetup.com but have started an open source project (now located on my github account) called "code_up" that will replace meetup.com all together. Eventually when it's done, it should be a nice little open source project that allow any group to host there own meetup.com-style application. Not that meetup.com is expensive, and it does have what they call the "network-effect" [8], but for us as a group, we have reached a maturity where we need to eat our own dog food and host our own programmed app. Just food for thought. - Cheers, Ken 1) http://www.metaskills.net/ 2) http://www.757studio.org/ 3) http://757rb.org/ 4) http://757objc.org/ 5) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/8/18/in-hell-oo-for-homemarks 6) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/5/24/the-ajax-head-br-design-pattern 7) http://twitter.com/aaronpost 8) http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2002-bug-tracking-isnt-a-network-effect-business From ajaswa at gmail.com Sat Nov 7 20:59:39 2009 From: ajaswa at gmail.com (Andrew Jaswa) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:59:39 -0700 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> Ken, I think you have completely missed the point of Refresh. It isn't what they do or do for us, its a philosophy about how to do things. Some guy in Arizona isn't helping you locally. (I'm not sure what gave you that idea) As far as Grow/Pretty Tasty go they cater to a certain type and aren't what my original intent for this group to be. Nor was it the tools or anything else... When I started WSUUG I had only vaguely heard about Refresh. Had I known about it more there would have never been a WSUUG. I really don't understand your post other then to promote your own stuff (which of course is fine). And if you wonder why I've involved with the WSUUG still even though I'm in Denver now, it is because I founded it and my name is still attached. Thanks, Andrew ============= Andrew Jaswa andrewjaswa.com On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Ken Collins wrote: > > Greetings Everyone, > > My name is Ken Collins [1] and I may have met a few of ya'll at this weeks > 757 Studio [2]. For those that do not know, I head up the local ruby [3] and > objective-c [4] user groups and the recent studio event was a little brain > child of mine to help help drive awareness of these groups, and perhaps > others, to the local business community. > > While at the studio event, a few of ya'll brought up the possibility of > sharing speakers and topics. Most ruby web application developers that I > know are real keen on web standards, including my self, heck I used to be a > designer too. To that end I invite all that are interested in learning about > web application development with ruby/rails to attend our 101 course on the > heels of the 757 studio, details below. We have a great venue at my old work > place Decipher right in downtown Norfolk. > > http://ruby.meetup.com/130/calendar/11821650/ > > Now on the topic of synergies. I've given talks at our ruby meetup that I > can do again if this group finds them interesting. For instance, I'm a big > nut about object oriented JavaScript construction driven in an unobtrusive > way, ie no tag soup [5][6]. I would love to give this talk or any other that > possibly relates to how the rails framework has ongoing support for web > standards like leveraging dataset attributes, etc. > > So if this email is not long enough already, I was just reading some back > threads and noticed something about "refresh". Just my 2cents... why do we > need some Arizona based social media junkie [7] helping us locally? Does the > refresh site actually do something? For instance, one thing I liked about > Grow Interactive (the first venue for 757 studio) was they deployed a > community site ?for Tidewater's creative pros. > Local to local is what it is all about. If it is a matter of tools, we have > been using meetup.com but have started an open source project (now located > on my github account) called "code_up" that will replace meetup.com all > together. Eventually when it's done, it should be a nice little open source > project that allow any group to host there own meetup.com-style application. > Not that meetup.com is expensive, and it does have what they call the > "network-effect" [8], but for us as a group, we have reached a maturity > where we need to eat our own dog food and host our own programmed app. Just > food for thought. > > > ?- Cheers, > ? ?Ken > > 1) http://www.metaskills.net/ > 2) http://www.757studio.org/ > 3) http://757rb.org/ > 4) http://757objc.org/ > 5) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/8/18/in-hell-oo-for-homemarks > 6) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/5/24/the-ajax-head-br-design-pattern > 7) http://twitter.com/aaronpost > 8) > http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2002-bug-tracking-isnt-a-network-effect-business > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > From ken at metaskills.net Sat Nov 7 21:30:51 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:30:51 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> Well I'd like to know more about refresh if there is info. I admit I have bias's and that may show but it's not meant to be mean natured. I am in ernest interested in knowing if there is something the groups can do together. Thoughts? - Ken On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Andrew Jaswa wrote: > Ken, > > I think you have completely missed the point of Refresh. It isn't what > they do or do for us, its a philosophy about how to do things. Some > guy in Arizona isn't helping you locally. (I'm not sure what gave you > that idea) > > As far as Grow/Pretty Tasty go they cater to a certain type and aren't > what my original intent for this group to be. Nor was it the tools or > anything else... > > When I started WSUUG I had only vaguely heard about Refresh. Had I > known about it more there would have never been a WSUUG. > > I really don't understand your post other then to promote your own > stuff (which of course is fine). > > And if you wonder why I've involved with the WSUUG still even though > I'm in Denver now, it is because I founded it and my name is still > attached. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ============= > Andrew Jaswa > andrewjaswa.com > > > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Ken Collins > wrote: >> >> Greetings Everyone, >> >> My name is Ken Collins [1] and I may have met a few of ya'll at >> this weeks >> 757 Studio [2]. For those that do not know, I head up the local >> ruby [3] and >> objective-c [4] user groups and the recent studio event was a >> little brain >> child of mine to help help drive awareness of these groups, and >> perhaps >> others, to the local business community. >> >> While at the studio event, a few of ya'll brought up the >> possibility of >> sharing speakers and topics. Most ruby web application developers >> that I >> know are real keen on web standards, including my self, heck I used >> to be a >> designer too. To that end I invite all that are interested in >> learning about >> web application development with ruby/rails to attend our 101 >> course on the >> heels of the 757 studio, details below. We have a great venue at my >> old work >> place Decipher right in downtown Norfolk. >> >> http://ruby.meetup.com/130/calendar/11821650/ >> >> Now on the topic of synergies. I've given talks at our ruby meetup >> that I >> can do again if this group finds them interesting. For instance, >> I'm a big >> nut about object oriented JavaScript construction driven in an >> unobtrusive >> way, ie no tag soup [5][6]. I would love to give this talk or any >> other that >> possibly relates to how the rails framework has ongoing support for >> web >> standards like leveraging dataset attributes, etc. >> >> So if this email is not long enough already, I was just reading >> some back >> threads and noticed something about "refresh". Just my 2cents... >> why do we >> need some Arizona based social media junkie [7] helping us locally? >> Does the >> refresh site actually do something? For instance, one thing I liked >> about >> Grow Interactive (the first venue for 757 studio) was they deployed a >> community site for Tidewater's creative >> pros. >> Local to local is what it is all about. If it is a matter of tools, >> we have >> been using meetup.com but have started an open source project (now >> located >> on my github account) called "code_up" that will replace meetup.com >> all >> together. Eventually when it's done, it should be a nice little >> open source >> project that allow any group to host there own meetup.com-style >> application. >> Not that meetup.com is expensive, and it does have what they call the >> "network-effect" [8], but for us as a group, we have reached a >> maturity >> where we need to eat our own dog food and host our own programmed >> app. Just >> food for thought. >> >> >> - Cheers, >> Ken >> >> 1) http://www.metaskills.net/ >> 2) http://www.757studio.org/ >> 3) http://757rb.org/ >> 4) http://757objc.org/ >> 5) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/8/18/in-hell-oo-for-homemarks >> 6) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/5/24/the-ajax-head-br-design- >> pattern >> 7) http://twitter.com/aaronpost >> 8) >> http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2002-bug-tracking-isnt-a-network-effect-business >> _______________________________________________ >> Wsuug mailing list >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug From ken at metaskills.net Sat Nov 7 21:52:22 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:52:22 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> Message-ID: <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> Also, if it was not clear, when I mentioned synergies, I was talking about speaker sharing. IE, it would be cool if someone from WSUUG would do a talk at our group and from our group to yours on the commonalities. If somehow my synergy paragraph was taken as a "hey ya'll come to 757rb for web standards" that is way off target. From the guys from this group that I met, we talked about something that we in our own local group have been talking about, speaker/topic sharing from regional and local groups. Crap, am I really coming off base here? - Sorry, Ken On Nov 7, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Ken Collins wrote: > > Well I'd like to know more about refresh if there is info. I admit I > have bias's and that may show but it's not meant to be mean natured. > I am in ernest interested in knowing if there is something the > groups can do together. Thoughts? > > - Ken > > > On Nov 7, 2009, at 8:59 PM, Andrew Jaswa wrote: > >> Ken, >> >> I think you have completely missed the point of Refresh. It isn't >> what >> they do or do for us, its a philosophy about how to do things. Some >> guy in Arizona isn't helping you locally. (I'm not sure what gave you >> that idea) >> >> As far as Grow/Pretty Tasty go they cater to a certain type and >> aren't >> what my original intent for this group to be. Nor was it the tools or >> anything else... >> >> When I started WSUUG I had only vaguely heard about Refresh. Had I >> known about it more there would have never been a WSUUG. >> >> I really don't understand your post other then to promote your own >> stuff (which of course is fine). >> >> And if you wonder why I've involved with the WSUUG still even though >> I'm in Denver now, it is because I founded it and my name is still >> attached. >> >> Thanks, >> Andrew >> >> ============= >> Andrew Jaswa >> andrewjaswa.com >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Ken Collins >> wrote: >>> >>> Greetings Everyone, >>> >>> My name is Ken Collins [1] and I may have met a few of ya'll at >>> this weeks >>> 757 Studio [2]. For those that do not know, I head up the local >>> ruby [3] and >>> objective-c [4] user groups and the recent studio event was a >>> little brain >>> child of mine to help help drive awareness of these groups, and >>> perhaps >>> others, to the local business community. >>> >>> While at the studio event, a few of ya'll brought up the >>> possibility of >>> sharing speakers and topics. Most ruby web application developers >>> that I >>> know are real keen on web standards, including my self, heck I >>> used to be a >>> designer too. To that end I invite all that are interested in >>> learning about >>> web application development with ruby/rails to attend our 101 >>> course on the >>> heels of the 757 studio, details below. We have a great venue at >>> my old work >>> place Decipher right in downtown Norfolk. >>> >>> http://ruby.meetup.com/130/calendar/11821650/ >>> >>> Now on the topic of synergies. I've given talks at our ruby meetup >>> that I >>> can do again if this group finds them interesting. For instance, >>> I'm a big >>> nut about object oriented JavaScript construction driven in an >>> unobtrusive >>> way, ie no tag soup [5][6]. I would love to give this talk or any >>> other that >>> possibly relates to how the rails framework has ongoing support >>> for web >>> standards like leveraging dataset attributes, etc. >>> >>> So if this email is not long enough already, I was just reading >>> some back >>> threads and noticed something about "refresh". Just my 2cents... >>> why do we >>> need some Arizona based social media junkie [7] helping us >>> locally? Does the >>> refresh site actually do something? For instance, one thing I >>> liked about >>> Grow Interactive (the first venue for 757 studio) was they >>> deployed a >>> community site for Tidewater's creative >>> pros. >>> Local to local is what it is all about. If it is a matter of >>> tools, we have >>> been using meetup.com but have started an open source project (now >>> located >>> on my github account) called "code_up" that will replace >>> meetup.com all >>> together. Eventually when it's done, it should be a nice little >>> open source >>> project that allow any group to host there own meetup.com-style >>> application. >>> Not that meetup.com is expensive, and it does have what they call >>> the >>> "network-effect" [8], but for us as a group, we have reached a >>> maturity >>> where we need to eat our own dog food and host our own programmed >>> app. Just >>> food for thought. >>> >>> >>> - Cheers, >>> Ken >>> >>> 1) http://www.metaskills.net/ >>> 2) http://www.757studio.org/ >>> 3) http://757rb.org/ >>> 4) http://757objc.org/ >>> 5) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/8/18/in-hell-oo-for-homemarks >>> 6) http://www.metaskills.net/2008/5/24/the-ajax-head-br-design-pattern >>> 7) http://twitter.com/aaronpost >>> 8) >>> http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2002-bug-tracking-isnt-a-network-effect-business >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wsuug mailing list >>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wsuug mailing list >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug From designlists at inkworkswell.com Sun Nov 8 06:57:37 2009 From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:57:37 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> At 09:52 PM 11/7/2009, Ken Collins wrote: >Also, if it was not clear, when I mentioned synergies, I was talking >about speaker sharing. IE, it would be cool if someone from WSUUG >would do a talk at our group and from our group to yours on the >commonalities. If somehow my synergy paragraph was taken as a "hey >ya'll come to 757rb for web standards" that is way off target. From >the guys from this group that I met, we talked about something that we >in our own local group have been talking about, speaker/topic sharing >from regional and local groups. > >Crap, am I really coming off base here? > > - Sorry, > Ken Not at all Ken. I appreciated the enthusiasm and the synergy. I like Refresh because of it's community orientation. You may have gotten the idea that we're talking with someone from Tallahassee who started a Refresh group 3 years ago. He was willing to share ideas that worked/didn't work for them. The speaker/topic sharing is a fantastic idea. We've been talking about doing something like that with other Refresh groups. Example: Refresh DC or Refresh Richmond gets a speaker, we might be able to work with them to bring same speaker here. Working with you guys, in our own area -- greater Hampton Roads -- is even better. Best, Kelley From ken at metaskills.net Sun Nov 8 12:03:50 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:03:50 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <68B67005-5543-41FB-BC2D-6088099D55CD@metaskills.net> Hey Kelley, I saw your name on the 757 Studio waiting list. Really sorry that you did not make it but hopefully I can meet everyone at the next WSUUG gathering. I did some more digging from main refresh page this morning and saw this site http://refreshportland.org/ and the topics they have covered hit my speaker sharing concept right on the head. We have members (most) that use Git ever day, more and more are jQuery fans, where I am a prototype guy. Would love to see a talk at one or both of our events that perhaps put jQuery vx Prototype, something I talked about with a few friends from the studio event on Friday before they headed back to DC. That group even covered CSS with SASS which the 757 Studio site uses and the upcoming CodeUp project will take one step further with Compass & Blueprint. Here is the reason I'm so enthusiastic about this. It's two fold. First I have lived in this area all my live and been building websites since 1995 and promoting web standards, design, programming in all flavors throughout that time while in many different career positions. Out of all this time, it seems to me like the area is finally reaching a critical mass of sorts and I'm excited to be a part of it and help in any way I can. Second there appears to be a common synergy between ours and possibly other groups that just makes perfect sense. On the ruby side, it is a language popularized by a web application framework, rails. Most rails developers I know LOVE web standards and design, it's our base popularized by 37signals articles on the topics. However ? some people that use ruby could care less about the web. As our ruby group moves forward we will be covering deeper topics that stray away from the topics that we share and still love, some mentioned above. On the other end, the objc-c group has the same story. For instance as iPhone app developers that perhaps talk about CoreData and nitty gritty details moving forward, there are those of us (like myself) who are nuts about WebKit's additions to HTML5's standards body and would love to know more and explore the topic. Here is some background on where my small pessimistic side and general ignorance may have gotten things off track. Through out my career I have always disliked the manager types that never understood what these groups are about and try to do. They are the ones that read articles in Fast Company, blogs, etc and just regurgitate without knowing technology or design. They are epitomized in my mind as "social media experts". So when I saw a single site with an email address field that I thought was purchased by someone in AZ (which it is not) that looked to do nothing more than help validate and expand some web strategist rankings... well ? it got my goat. After doing some more research, I see that all of those assumptions are far from the truth. The domain registrant is possibly someone I met at the studio, Aaron Post is not a bad guy, and in general I was way off base and let a side of my digital turrets syndrome get the best of me. Sincere apologies!!! - Cheers, Ken On Nov 8, 2009, at 6:57 AM, Kelley Walker wrote: > At 09:52 PM 11/7/2009, Ken Collins wrote: > >> Also, if it was not clear, when I mentioned synergies, I was talking >> about speaker sharing. IE, it would be cool if someone from WSUUG >> would do a talk at our group and from our group to yours on the >> commonalities. If somehow my synergy paragraph was taken as a "hey >> ya'll come to 757rb for web standards" that is way off target. From >> the guys from this group that I met, we talked about something that >> we >> in our own local group have been talking about, speaker/topic sharing >> from regional and local groups. >> >> Crap, am I really coming off base here? >> >> - Sorry, >> Ken > > Not at all Ken. I appreciated the enthusiasm and the synergy. I like > Refresh because of it's community orientation. You may have gotten > the idea that we're talking with someone from Tallahassee who > started a Refresh group 3 years ago. He was willing to share ideas > that worked/didn't work for them. > > The speaker/topic sharing is a fantastic idea. We've been talking > about doing something like that with other Refresh groups. Example: > Refresh DC or Refresh Richmond gets a speaker, we might be able to > work with them to bring same speaker here. Working with you guys, in > our own area -- greater Hampton Roads -- is even better. > > > Best, > > Kelley > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug From reese at inkworkswell.com Mon Nov 9 19:22:24 2009 From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:22:24 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <68B67005-5543-41FB-BC2D-6088099D55CD@metaskills.net> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> <68B67005-5543-41FB-BC2D-6088099D55CD@metaskills.net> Message-ID: <4AF8B240.9060805@inkworkswell.com> Ken Collins wrote: > > Hey Kelley, > > I saw your name on the 757 Studio waiting list. Really sorry that you > did not make it but hopefully I can meet everyone at the next WSUUG > gathering... ...which will be at the Norfolk Public Library, once we finish dotting the I's and crossing the T's. Hi Ken, If you don't remember me, I stood to Andrew Culver's left when we talked for a moment after the presentations the other night. It was just after you finished stacking some folding chairs in the one corner. I was the bearded guy with the blond ponytail - I'm shorter and more stout than Andrew. You may also remember Albert. He is taller than me (Andrew too I think), also bearded but with dark, short hair and was to my left for a few moments at least. Andrew told you that he runs the inside-Dominion PHP group, he also started an outside- Dominion PHP group that I am a member of. Anyway, the "Refresh" avenue seemed like a best way to bring new members into the WSUUG group so we were rebranding. Neither WSUUG nor Refresh are programming-language specific. Are not programming- specific either, the group could benefit from more designers and even marketing & sales people joining in. More presentations from that neck of the woods, too. From the other night, I know you're a Ruby guy at heart. There is some strong Ruby interest in the NorfolkPHP group Andrew (Culver) started, I cannot speak to the inside-Dominion PHP group since I am not a Dominion employee. That said, some of us are accomplished and others of us are aspiring PHP-programmers who have other day-job skills. For my own sake, I like the idea of blending between the various local programmer user groups but I'm leery of Ruby where it might interfere with my PHP studies and efforts to advance - I want not to get sidetracked and end up not advancing in any direction. Perhaps there is some compromise that leads to a faster learning track that I am not aware of, I welcome your suggestions on all the fronts you want to address. Reese (Howell) From ken at metaskills.net Mon Nov 9 22:04:31 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:04:31 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <4AF8B240.9060805@inkworkswell.com> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> <68B67005-5543-41FB-BC2D-6088099D55CD@metaskills.net> <4AF8B240.9060805@inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <8453C26D-705A-4986-98D4-E9A70020A17D@metaskills.net> Hey, >> I saw your name on the 757 Studio waiting list. Really sorry that you did not make it but hopefully I can meet everyone at the next WSUUG gathering... > > ...which will be at the Norfolk Public Library, once we finish dotting > the I's and crossing the T's. Very cool. I was reading that. We've been meeting at Decipher but that might not last forever. Economy and all. > If you don't remember me, I stood to Andrew Culver's left when we > talked for a moment after the presentations the other night. It was > just after you finished stacking some folding chairs in the one > corner. I was the bearded guy with the blond ponytail - I'm shorter > and more stout than Andrew. You may also remember Albert. He is taller > than me (Andrew too I think), also bearded but with dark, short hair > and was to my left for a few moments at least. That helps a lot! I'm horrible with names too, so it'll take me a few times to get it right. > Andrew told you that > he runs the inside-Dominion PHP group, he also started an outside- > Dominion PHP group that I am a member of. Killer, I might have had some friends attend. Wonder if ya'll ever even got some people from Webteks or the like. > Anyway, the "Refresh" avenue seemed like a best way to bring new > members into the WSUUG group so we were rebranding. Neither WSUUG > nor Refresh are programming-language specific. Are not programming- > specific either, the group could benefit from more designers and > even marketing & sales people joining in. More presentations from > that neck of the woods, too. I totally get it. The network effect. > From the other night, I know you're a Ruby guy at heart. There is > some strong Ruby interest in the NorfolkPHP group Andrew (Culver) > started, I cannot speak to the inside-Dominion PHP group since I am > not a Dominion employee. Yea, I've never gotten a read on things internally, externally the Ruby adoption in this area is grim to none. From the agencies and various web shops I know, it's like 0. That fact was the driving reason I did the studio. > That said, some of us are accomplished and others of us are aspiring > PHP-programmers who have other day-job skills. For my own sake, I like > the idea of blending between the various local programmer user groups > but I'm leery of Ruby where it might interfere with my PHP studies and > efforts to advance - I want not to get sidetracked and end up not > advancing in any direction. Perhaps there is some compromise that leads > to a faster learning track that I am not aware of, I welcome your > suggestions on all the fronts you want to address. I hear ya! I'm a huge advocate of what I call "occupational maintenance". I'm about half way thru my Ruby novice to master, 4 years or so and about 6 months ago, I felt strong enough to be able to pick up another language. I thought about Erlang for a bit, but then decided to go with Objective-C. It has been a real hard journey and takes up almost all of my free time. I am at least 2 months or so away from launching my first iPhone app. The point being what one person can pick up outside their own primary skill set is a highly personal and professional juggling game. Without having been thru the learning iteration many times, it's hard to offer advice. About 8 years ago I decided to master HTML/CSS and at one time was so anti-table, I would not even use them for data. I'm feeling much better now. Then I went head first to Ruby/JavaScript and once I had at least 3-4 years of it down I moved on. Whoops, I did not get to the point. The point is that I think everyone needs to keep pushing their skills outside of their primary when it is appropriate. I have a twin brother, Ben Collins, and he has been out of a job for about 6 months now. His last gig was a kernel developer for Ubuntu. Crazy low level bootstrap stuff. In between interviewing for gigs at Apple/Google/Etc, he kept hearing so much from potential recruiters about Ruby/Objective-C that called me up to see if I had more spare macs laying around. Unlike myself, Ben is smart and could pick stuff up way faster than I, but he possibly should have picked up new things while at the top of his game as a kernel developer. Sure Ruby/ObjC is far far from low level device driver stuff, but I think it's an interesting story and thought sharing might help. Either way, I'm putting details on the upcoming meeting slides now and I'd encourage anyone to take 2-3 hours to see if Ruby/Rails might be that next iteration for their toolbox. I'd love to talk more about synergies at the next WSUUG meeting at the library, so I'll keep an out out for notices. Do ya'll have a twitter account? - Ken From young.zach at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 23:06:28 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:06:28 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <8453C26D-705A-4986-98D4-E9A70020A17D@metaskills.net> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> <68B67005-5543-41FB-BC2D-6088099D55CD@metaskills.net> <4AF8B240.9060805@inkworkswell.com> <8453C26D-705A-4986-98D4-E9A70020A17D@metaskills.net> Message-ID: <424f9b530911092006g21585378r64443e197d7c75c8@mail.gmail.com> Hey Ken, Thanks for the emails. Took me a while to catch up on all that has been said. We'd love to have you at our next meeting. I won't be able to make the Ruby meeting tomorrow, but maybe next time. I have been interested in Ruby for a bit, but there are too many other technologies that were more interesting and more necessary for me to learn at the time (CouchDB, Erlang, relearning Bash every 6 months when I have a script comes up that I need it for, etc.) I meant to go a while back, but totally forgot. There's been talk of getting a Twitter account setup and we will probably be discussing that at the next meeting. We just need to see if anyone wants to spearhead that. I have enough trouble keeping my own Twitter feed up to date (young_zach by the way--I think we're following each other) and I don't know if there's really a need for a Twitter account just for meeting announcements (though perhaps there is value in that.) Right now I usually put WSUUG announcements out from my Twitter account (when I remember) and then force a few people to retweet them. Oh and the whole synergy thing sounds good. I'm on board for that. There's always a lot to learn from different people with different areas of expertise. Welcome to the group! Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org From ken at metaskills.net Mon Nov 9 23:16:22 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:16:22 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911092006g21585378r64443e197d7c75c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> <68B67005-5543-41FB-BC2D-6088099D55CD@metaskills.net> <4AF8B240.9060805@inkworkswell.com> <8453C26D-705A-4986-98D4-E9A70020A17D@metaskills.net> <424f9b530911092006g21585378r64443e197d7c75c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CFED8EA-2783-4F43-A633-AB7B1FFDAD06@metaskills.net> Thanks Zach! BTW, a few friends of mine that came down from Northern VA for the studio are real big CouchDB and MongoDB fans, albeit they use the Ruby libraries. I'm so stuck in relational DB land and would love to see a talk on CouchDB sometime. I think they did this app with a CouchDB backend. http://yarp.com/ Same guys that did lmgtfy.com. So much to do and learn :( - Ken On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Zach Young wrote: > Hey Ken, > > Thanks for the emails. Took me a while to catch up on all that has > been said. We'd love to have you at our next meeting. I won't be able > to make the Ruby meeting tomorrow, but maybe next time. I have been > interested in Ruby for a bit, but there are too many other > technologies that were more interesting and more necessary for me to > learn at the time (CouchDB, Erlang, relearning Bash every 6 months > when I have a script comes up that I need it for, etc.) I meant to go > a while back, but totally forgot. > > There's been talk of getting a Twitter account setup and we will > probably be discussing that at the next meeting. We just need to see > if anyone wants to spearhead that. I have enough trouble keeping my > own Twitter feed up to date (young_zach by the way--I think we're > following each other) and I don't know if there's really a need for a > Twitter account just for meeting announcements (though perhaps there > is value in that.) Right now I usually put WSUUG announcements out > from my Twitter account (when I remember) and then force a few people > to retweet them. > > Oh and the whole synergy thing sounds good. I'm on board for that. > There's always a lot to learn from different people with different > areas of expertise. > > Welcome to the group! > > Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug From young.zach at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 23:32:30 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] New To The Group - Local Synergies In-Reply-To: <8CFED8EA-2783-4F43-A633-AB7B1FFDAD06@metaskills.net> References: <1e76a9d60911071759v51e6bf19y78d9dd4d941421eb@mail.gmail.com> <9A60347F-3E88-4E6D-ABC2-BBE4AD9D65DE@metaskills.net> <07252182-5CFF-46AF-AE28-991325279DD4@metaskills.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20091108065331.055fdde0@pop.inkworkswell.com> <68B67005-5543-41FB-BC2D-6088099D55CD@metaskills.net> <4AF8B240.9060805@inkworkswell.com> <8453C26D-705A-4986-98D4-E9A70020A17D@metaskills.net> <424f9b530911092006g21585378r64443e197d7c75c8@mail.gmail.com> <8CFED8EA-2783-4F43-A633-AB7B1FFDAD06@metaskills.net> Message-ID: <424f9b530911092032w78cf9b71q9a050deac99722fe@mail.gmail.com> Cool. I presented on CouchDB to the PHPUG in September. I need to put those slides up. I'll try to do that tomorrow. MongoDB is pretty sweet too, but I like CouchDB a little better. Thanks for the Yarp link. Looks pretty slick. Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Ken Collins wrote: > > Thanks Zach! > > BTW, a few friends of mine that came down from Northern VA for the studio are real big CouchDB and MongoDB fans, albeit they use the Ruby libraries. I'm so stuck in relational DB land and would love to see a talk on CouchDB sometime. I think they did this app with a CouchDB backend. http://yarp.com/ Same guys that did lmgtfy.com. > > So much to do and learn :( > > ?- Ken > > > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 11:06 PM, Zach Young wrote: > >> Hey Ken, >> >> Thanks for the emails. Took me a while to catch up on all that has >> been said. We'd love to have you at our next meeting. I won't be able >> to make the Ruby meeting tomorrow, but maybe next time. I have been >> interested in Ruby for a bit, but there are too many other >> technologies that were more interesting and more necessary for me to >> learn at the time (CouchDB, Erlang, relearning Bash every 6 months >> when I have a script comes up that I need it for, etc.) I meant to go >> a while back, but totally forgot. >> >> There's been talk of getting a Twitter account setup and we will >> probably be discussing that at the next meeting. We just need to see >> if anyone wants to spearhead that. I have enough trouble keeping my >> own Twitter feed up to date (young_zach by the way--I think we're >> following each other) and I don't know if there's really a need for a >> Twitter account just for meeting announcements (though perhaps there >> is value in that.) Right now I usually put WSUUG announcements out >> from my Twitter account (when I remember) and then force a few people >> to retweet them. >> >> Oh and the whole synergy thing sounds good. I'm on board for that. >> There's always a lot to learn from different people with different >> areas of expertise. >> >> Welcome to the group! >> >> Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Wsuug mailing list >> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug > From jalbertbowden at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 10:22:28 2009 From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (J.Albert Bowden) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] ken - ruby - what's up dude Message-ID: <1daba98e0911100722k1bc488b2kb0fe2ea8e3e236ff@mail.gmail.com> Ken, sorry for not responding earlier, hope andrew didn't scare you off. play nice andrew. i brushed through everyone's chats with you...i like your idea about having someone come talk to ya'll and maybe even vice versa. I do think that we all have our own agenda, but with webcomm, it seems that those agendas are usually in parallel. and i think we can all learn alot from each other, while seeking our agendas. as well as making the simple connections that seem to help out tremendously in this field. dude, studio757 was so gnarly! you rule for putting that on. all that were present are indebted to you. way to take the ball and lead the fast break. hopefully we can put on something remotely similar. And i'll see ya tonight at the ruby meetup. cheers, Albert -- J. Albert Bowden II albert.bowden at residentsource.com jalbertbowden at gmail.com c.757.968.9133 w.757.351.7204 http://bowdenweb.com/ http://refreshhamptonroads.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at metaskills.net Tue Nov 10 10:41:11 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:41:11 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] ken - ruby - what's up dude In-Reply-To: <1daba98e0911100722k1bc488b2kb0fe2ea8e3e236ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <1daba98e0911100722k1bc488b2kb0fe2ea8e3e236ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Albert (or just J or something else???), Thank you very much. The thing I learned in all of this, it is VERY hard to put an event like that together. From getting speakers together, to designing/developing the site, sponsors, etc, etc. Thank god my day job let's me take downtime for weeks on end for side projects. I really did not anticipate it being that much work but the results are good for everyone and we got great feedback for future events. About the two groups, not sure what "webcomm" is, but I think that strong vertical groups like WSUUG, 757rb, 757objc, PHPUG, TWUUG, etc are important and could serve their purpose in ways that separate groups only can. It was possible that when Andrew approached me a few years ago about that, I and the group were to immature for me to understand that and I may have not been so eloquent in expressing that. That said, from what I've seen the result of separate strong groups are positive entities and working together where we overlap can only have additional positive results. Cant wait till tonight! - Cheers, Ken On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:22 AM, J.Albert Bowden wrote: > Ken, > sorry for not responding earlier, hope andrew didn't scare you off. > play nice andrew. > i brushed through everyone's chats with you...i like your idea about > having someone come talk to ya'll and maybe even vice versa. I do > think that we all have our own agenda, but with webcomm, it seems > that those agendas are usually in parallel. and i think we can all > learn alot from each other, while seeking our agendas. as well as > making the simple connections that seem to help out tremendously in > this field. > dude, studio757 was so gnarly! you rule for putting that on. all > that were present are indebted to you. way to take the ball and lead > the fast break. hopefully we can put on something remotely similar. > And i'll see ya tonight at the ruby meetup. > cheers, > Albert > > > -- > J. Albert Bowden II > albert.bowden at residentsource.com > jalbertbowden at gmail.com > c.757.968.9133 > w.757.351.7204 > http://bowdenweb.com/ > http://refreshhamptonroads.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com Wed Nov 11 10:35:24 2009 From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:35:24 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] on a totally different note In-Reply-To: References: <1daba98e0911100722k1bc488b2kb0fe2ea8e3e236ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56B411C6486F4991A282B8B5741E268C@bendixad.int> I came across this article about content portability -- which totally trashes my read-only API comments of a couple of weeks ago: http://blog.programmableweb.com/2009/11/11/content-portabili ty-building-an-api-is-not-enough/ My previous posts focused on COPE (Create Once, Publish Everywhere) and content modularity, the fundamentals for ensuring that content can be managed and distributed to virtually any platform. But ensuring that your content can be delivered to those other platforms does not mean that it can display appropriately on them. Content often contains very important semantic markup, used to emphasize the content, relate it to other content, describe it, etc. By markup, I mean HTML, character encodings and microformats, among others. Although this markup is important to the content, it also makes it "dirty", potentially compromising its ability to live and flourish in the myriad places to which it will get distributed. No matter how modular the content is in the database, if it is sullied by this markup, it is not truly portable. As a result, just building an API is not enough. The API needs to be able to distribute the content to any platform in a way that each platform can handle. To demonstrate this problem around portability, I often use the pre-iPhone iPod as an example. This device did not parse HTML. Rather, tags would simply be printed as strings. When podcasting took off, some NPR titles had HTML tags in them, including < em > and < strong >. Because iPods were not able to render the HTML, titles would like something like, "This is a < em >great< /em > title!" Similar, another fail scenario that is relevant to NPR is an HD Radio display. These devices are also not able to render markup printing these tags to the screen. <...> Kelley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken at metaskills.net Wed Nov 11 13:36:56 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:36:56 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Thanks For The Cross Turnout! Message-ID: <429079C1-2561-4819-B1BD-758C5B28EDF9@metaskills.net> I just want to thank all those that showed up last night from the WSUUG list. I sent an email out to my group too letting them know about WSUUG and encouraging them to join this list. Many were like ya'll, never even knew you were around or that somehow our paths did not cross earlier. To those that came and that are from say a PHP background, I just published this little article that expounded on some of the meta programming abilities. If anyone has some time to code up with this looks like in other languages, I would love to learn. http://www.metaskills.net/2009/11/11/meta-programming-in Cheers again, looking forward to being at the next WSUUG. - Ken From ken at metaskills.net Wed Nov 11 15:09:30 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:09:30 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Thanks For The Cross Turnout! In-Reply-To: <429079C1-2561-4819-B1BD-758C5B28EDF9@metaskills.net> References: <429079C1-2561-4819-B1BD-758C5B28EDF9@metaskills.net> Message-ID: FYI, Andrew just pointed out these links to me in a (separate email) from our own 757rb list archive. http://groups.google.com/group/757rb/browse_thread/thread/a48a6f65bfdd378/9b657306f75ef619?lnk=gst&q=wsuug#9b657306f75ef619 http://groups.google.com/group/757rb/browse_thread/thread/43ada10b44c5712c/f1f6dbc7e0989a37?lnk=gst&q=wsuug#f1f6dbc7e0989a37 And this from the WSUUG archive. http://www.thelinuxlink.net/pipermail/wsuug/2008-July/000330.html So even tho a few people in the 757rb group did not remember this, including myself. I am glad we have opened a dialog again. Obviously Andrew saw the wisdom early on and memories faded from both groups. My co-organizer Mike MiKinney has been helping me cross promote for a long time and was _especially_ helpful doing just that with SEVAJUG and any others for last weeks 757 Studio event. He was even the person that brought up WSUUG again to me just recently. So credit is due where credit is due. I did not invent cross group interested, I'm just for it. - Ken Mike McKinney is one of our co-organizers and I'm guessing On Nov 11, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Ken Collins wrote: > > I just want to thank all those that showed up last night from the WSUUG list. I sent an email out to my group too letting them know about WSUUG and encouraging them to join this list. Many were like ya'll, never even knew you were around or that somehow our paths did not cross earlier. > > To those that came and that are from say a PHP background, I just published this little article that expounded on some of the meta programming abilities. If anyone has some time to code up with this looks like in other languages, I would love to learn. > > http://www.metaskills.net/2009/11/11/meta-programming-in > > Cheers again, looking forward to being at the next WSUUG. > > > - Ken > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com Wed Nov 25 10:46:46 2009 From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:46:46 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Next week's meeting Message-ID: <0F3FFC8C6C20404399DD4FF4704B1E81@bendixad.int> So, wassup for next week's meeting. There's been so much going on, I've forgotten what we'd planned -- if anything? Kelley From ken at metaskills.net Wed Nov 25 12:00:22 2009 From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:00:22 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <0F3FFC8C6C20404399DD4FF4704B1E81@bendixad.int> References: <0F3FFC8C6C20404399DD4FF4704B1E81@bendixad.int> Message-ID: Can the meeting details for location/time be posted too for newcomers? - TIA, Ken On Nov 25, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Kelley Walker wrote: > So, wassup for next week's meeting. There's been so much > going on, I've forgotten what we'd planned -- if anything? > > Kelley > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wsuug mailing list > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug From young.zach at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 12:02:28 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: References: <0F3FFC8C6C20404399DD4FF4704B1E81@bendixad.int> Message-ID: <424f9b530911250902j6a8fd0c5s41fa1166e03072de@mail.gmail.com> Ken Collins wrote: > Can the meeting details for location/time be posted too for newcomers? Yes once they are finalized. I think we are still waiting to hear back final approval from the library. Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org From reese at inkworkswell.com Wed Nov 25 12:21:15 2009 From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:21:15 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <424f9b530911250902j6a8fd0c5s41fa1166e03072de@mail.gmail.com> References: <0F3FFC8C6C20404399DD4FF4704B1E81@bendixad.int> <424f9b530911250902j6a8fd0c5s41fa1166e03072de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B0D678B.4050008@inkworkswell.com> Zach Young wrote: > Ken Collins wrote: >> Can the meeting details for location/time be posted too for newcomers? > > Yes once they are finalized. I think we are still waiting to hear back > final approval from the library. We are approved for the 2nd floor conference room across from the reference desk, for 1 December @ 6 p.m. - a video projector is available. Reese From reese at inkworkswell.com Wed Nov 25 12:29:27 2009 From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:29:27 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <4B0D678B.4050008@inkworkswell.com> References: <0F3FFC8C6C20404399DD4FF4704B1E81@bendixad.int> <424f9b530911250902j6a8fd0c5s41fa1166e03072de@mail.gmail.com> <4B0D678B.4050008@inkworkswell.com> Message-ID: <4B0D6977.6070709@inkworkswell.com> Reese wrote: > Zach Young wrote: >> Ken Collins wrote: >>> Can the meeting details for location/time be posted too for newcomers? >> >> Yes once they are finalized. I think we are still waiting to hear back >> final approval from the library. > > We are approved for the 2nd floor conference room across from the > reference desk, for 1 December @ 6 p.m. - a video projector is > available. > Sorry for the incomplete info - this will be at the Norfolk Public Library, downtown branch, 235 East Plume St. Street parking is available but more difficult to secure than usual due to the ongoing construction for the light rail train station, that leaves the city downtown parking garage between Boush and Granby streets on City Hall Ave. and the MacAurthur Mall parking garage - both are within 3 blocks. Reese From young.zach at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 12:07:04 2009 From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:07:04 -0500 Subject: [Wsuug] Meeting Tomorrow, December 1, 2009 Message-ID: <424f9b530911300907tc2622b5q90a443bd8e4394bd@mail.gmail.com> Meeting reminder. We will be meeting tomorrow Dec. 1, 2009 at 6:00pm. The meeting will start at the Norfolk Public Library downtown on the 2nd floor. Here's a link to the location: http://tinyurl.com/yho5wyc I may be a little late as I have a conference call I have to be in starting at 5, but I will be there. Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org