From young.zach at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 09:26:32 2009
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh HR - Moving Forward
Message-ID: <424f9b530912020626s3face8fbme42741f67567358a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

A couple of updates:

1. I am going to be changing the name of the list shortly to "Refresh HR."
2. We've decided that we will now move forward with setting up the
Refresh HR site (http://refreshhamptonroads.org/.) We can move some of
the content from the current WSUUG site (http://wsuug.org/) and we
will be creating some new content as well.

The items determined to be on this site (all on one page) are:

-About
-Refresh Manifesto
-Meeting Directions
-Next Meeting Information
-Link to Mailing List

We'll be running the site on Wordpress, so we will have the option to
start blogging if we want later on.

3. If you have an idea for the site (including a logo), submit it by
December 14, 2009. The next day, I'll collect all of them and make a
survey where we can vote on which we want to move forward with.

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org

From young.zach at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 10:01:56 2009
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:01:56 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Refresh HR - Moving Forward
In-Reply-To: <424f9b530912020626s3face8fbme42741f67567358a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <424f9b530912020626s3face8fbme42741f67567358a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424f9b530912110701q5b12824dkea5fb7e534aea5c2@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder to submit designs for the website by Monday December 14, 2009.

Thanks!

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org



On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Zach Young <young.zach at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> A couple of updates:
>
> 1. I am going to be changing the name of the list shortly to "Refresh HR."
> 2. We've decided that we will now move forward with setting up the
> Refresh HR site (http://refreshhamptonroads.org/.) We can move some of
> the content from the current WSUUG site (http://wsuug.org/) and we
> will be creating some new content as well.
>
> The items determined to be on this site (all on one page) are:
>
> -About
> -Refresh Manifesto
> -Meeting Directions
> -Next Meeting Information
> -Link to Mailing List
>
> We'll be running the site on Wordpress, so we will have the option to
> start blogging if we want later on.
>
> 3. If you have an idea for the site (including a logo), submit it by
> December 14, 2009. The next day, I'll collect all of them and make a
> survey where we can vote on which we want to move forward with.
>
> Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org
>

From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Sun Dec 20 09:52:20 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:52:20 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com>

In case anyone on the list is looking for a change, I thought I'd forward 
along inquiries that might be of interest to list members or someone you know.


>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:52:35 -0500
>From: "Vinayak Moghe" <VMoghe at ceiamerica.com>
>
>Hello,
>
>I came across your information on the internet and wanted to talk with you 
>regarding an exciting job opportunity I think may be of interest to 
>you.  We are currently hiring UI Developer interested in this opportunity, 
>first email a MS Word version of your resume, followed by a phone call. My 
>direct number is 412 571 3657
>
>Here are the details
>
>Location: Richmond, VA
>
>Qualifications:
>
>We're looking for a combination of skills including front-end development, 
>JavaScript (more than just basic web development / basic sites...looking 
>for solid jQuery experience), and the ability to pick up Blend / Silverlight).
>
>
>3+ year's professional experience in creative web design and implementation
>Rock-solid in front-end development; XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript
>Adobe CS fluency, as relates to front-end development
>Ability to work in a fast-paced, deadline-oriented environment
>Strong conception and design skills
>Experience with Microsoft Expression Studio and Silverlight is a HUGE PLUS
>Responsibilities:
>Develop, analyze, recommend, and implement visual designs for commercial 
>and government web applications
>Develop inspiring designs and experiences based on our client's corporate 
>branding, strategy, needs and client feedback
>Originate new concepts, strategies, or innovative approaches that have 
>significant impact on the user experience
>Serve as primary contact with clients regarding layout, and other design 
>considerations
>
>You should be able to demonstrate and provide samples of exemplary Rich 
>Internet Applications (RIA) that exceeded client's expectations if you 
>apply for this position.   You must be a leader and take pride in your work.
>
>Thanks
>
>Vinayak Moghe
>National Resource Manager
>CEI
>www.ceiamerica.com
>412-571-3657(W)
>412-983-0222(Cell)


From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Sun Dec 20 11:01:06 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:01:06 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Contract: UX Engineer, 6 months, D.C.
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220105555.0e5fa480@pop.inkworkswell.com>


>
>From: "Raines, Heather" <HeatherRaines at Technisource.com>
>
>Hello:
>My name is Heather Raines and I am a Technical Recruiter with 
>Technisource. If you are interested in the position please forward a WORD 
>attachment of your resume at mailto:HeatherRaines at Technisource.com
>
>
>Washington DC ( metro accessible)
>User Experience Engineer Level 2 (6+years)
>
>Objective:
>
>Our client has a cosponsored eServices portal to integrate all services 
>from local, and large remote offices and offer these services to staff  in 
>a one stop shopping environment.
>
>The benefits of the portal are as the follows:
>
>? Build a flexible and scalable platform for enterprise services provisioning;
>
>? Benefit end-users to be able to order and track services in the business 
>context in an easy and friendly web interface;
>
>? Help service providers not only in tracking service orders, but also in 
>configuring and changing service policies and processes, to match the 
>changing business environment; and
>
>? Harmonize service provisioning and improve efficiency.
>
>
>XXX  is the business manager and responsible for presenting different 
>business stakeholders and proposing solutions to address their business 
>needs in the eServices portal. Therefore, providing solutions for service 
>providers in eServices is an on-going business activity. Once the business 
>needs and requirements being analyzed by the eServices business team, it 
>is needed to have a user interface design professional to translate the 
>requirements into mock-ups before the technical team does the coding.
>
>General Requirements:
>
>? Conduct usability reviews of websites and web applications
>
>? Conduct user testing on screen mockups, live systems, websites, or 
>communications products
>
>? Advise on content architecture and information design, and conduct card 
>sorting exercises
>
>? Develop task flow analyses and scenarios
>
>? Prepare, present, and discuss findings and recommendations
>
>? Translate complex user requirements into a coherent user interface
>
>? Design page level layout, page flow, and task fulfillment
>
>? Propose design solutions for identified usability problems in existing 
>applications
>
>? Develop wireframes and storyboards
>
>? Produce training videos
>
>? Design HTML screens and marketing material
>
>? Ensure application level consistency with respect to graphic design and 
>interaction components
>
>? Develop and maintain design standards for internal web applications and 
>web sites
>
>? Develop and maintain a pattern library of reusable UI components
>
>? Usability engineering, user centered design
>
>? Information architecture, navigation design
>
>? Interaction design
>
>? Graphic design
>
>? User modeling and task analysis
>
>? HTML, JavaScript, CSS, Flash
>
>? Photoshop, Dreamweaver, FrontPage or similar software
>
>  Specific Requirements:
>
>
>
>? At least an undergraduate degree in computer science, software 
>engineering, or similar field.
>
>? Usability Analyst certification desirable
>
>? At least 5 years of relevant work experience
>
>? Strong interpersonal skills and a team player
>
>? Excellent communication skills, both written and verbal
>
>? Ability to balance trade-offs between optimum user experience and 
>technical and business constraints
>
>
>Duration: Jan 15 -  July 15 2009
>
>
>Heather Raines
>Recruiting Manager
>1651 Old Meadow Rd, Suite 200
>McLean, VA 22102
>434-326-5637
>heatherraines at technisource.com
>www.technisource.com


From ajaswa at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 12:15:42 2009
From: ajaswa at gmail.com (Andrew Jaswa)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:15:42 -0700
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.com>

That seems like an odd way of applying for a job...


=============
Andrew Jaswa
andrewjaswa.com




On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Kelley Walker
<designlists at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> In case anyone on the list is looking for a change, I thought I'd forward
> along inquiries that might be of interest to list members or someone you
> know.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:52:35 -0500
>> From: "Vinayak Moghe" <VMoghe at ceiamerica.com>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I came across your information on the internet and wanted to talk with you
>> regarding an exciting job opportunity I think may be of interest to you. ?We
>> are currently hiring UI Developer interested in this opportunity, first
>> email a MS Word version of your resume, followed by a phone call. My direct
>> number is 412 571 3657
>>
>> Here are the details
>>
>> Location: Richmond, VA
>>
>> Qualifications:
>>
>> We're looking for a combination of skills including front-end development,
>> JavaScript (more than just basic web development / basic sites...looking for
>> solid jQuery experience), and the ability to pick up Blend / Silverlight).
>>
>>
>> 3+ year's professional experience in creative web design and
>> implementation
>> Rock-solid in front-end development; XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript
>> Adobe CS fluency, as relates to front-end development
>> Ability to work in a fast-paced, deadline-oriented environment
>> Strong conception and design skills
>> Experience with Microsoft Expression Studio and Silverlight is a HUGE PLUS
>> Responsibilities:
>> Develop, analyze, recommend, and implement visual designs for commercial
>> and government web applications
>> Develop inspiring designs and experiences based on our client's corporate
>> branding, strategy, needs and client feedback
>> Originate new concepts, strategies, or innovative approaches that have
>> significant impact on the user experience
>> Serve as primary contact with clients regarding layout, and other design
>> considerations
>>
>> You should be able to demonstrate and provide samples of exemplary Rich
>> Internet Applications (RIA) that exceeded client's expectations if you apply
>> for this position. ? You must be a leader and take pride in your work.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Vinayak Moghe
>> National Resource Manager
>> CEI
>> www.ceiamerica.com
>> 412-571-3657(W)
>> 412-983-0222(Cell)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>

From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Sun Dec 20 12:20:46 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:20:46 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
In-Reply-To: <1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220121943.043fd4d0@pop.inkworkswell.com>

At 12:15 PM 12/20/2009, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>That seems like an odd way of applying for a job...

Not sure what's odd about it. Could you elaborate?

Kelley 


From ajaswa at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 22:16:45 2009
From: ajaswa at gmail.com (Andrew Jaswa)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:16:45 -0700
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220121943.043fd4d0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20091220121943.043fd4d0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <1e76a9d60912201916g1df6fd96mc72f486bd4d940a3@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think I've run into many places who ask for you to call them
right after you've sent in your resume in MS word (which is a whole
other issue)...

"We are currently hiring UI Developer interested in this opportunity,
first email a MS Word version of your resume, followed by a phone
call."

=============
Andrew Jaswa
andrewjaswa.com
540.303.6423



On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Kelley Walker
<designlists at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> At 12:15 PM 12/20/2009, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>
>> That seems like an odd way of applying for a job...
>
> Not sure what's odd about it. Could you elaborate?
>
> Kelley
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>

From jz at frimmin.com  Sun Dec 20 23:02:18 2009
From: jz at frimmin.com (Jon Zuck)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:02:18 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
In-Reply-To: <1e76a9d60912201916g1df6fd96mc72f486bd4d940a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20091220121943.043fd4d0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912201916g1df6fd96mc72f486bd4d940a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64f12f1d0912202002r2842617q76a24317e830c9ed@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like Vinayak is desperate, and that he's running a Microsoft-based
shop.

jon

On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Andrew Jaswa <ajaswa at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think I've run into many places who ask for you to call them
> right after you've sent in your resume in MS word (which is a whole
> other issue)...
>
> "We are currently hiring UI Developer interested in this opportunity,
> first email a MS Word version of your resume, followed by a phone
> call."
>
> =============
> Andrew Jaswa
> andrewjaswa.com
> 540.303.6423
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Kelley Walker
> <designlists at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> > At 12:15 PM 12/20/2009, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> >>
> >> That seems like an odd way of applying for a job...
> >
> > Not sure what's odd about it. Could you elaborate?
> >
> > Kelley
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wsuug mailing list
> > Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>



-- 
Jon

http://www.frimmin.com
http://www.wildwebweaving.com
http://bonege.com/

"Just sit there right now. Don't do a thing. Just rest. For your separation
from God is the hardest work in the world."
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From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com  Mon Dec 21 11:02:05 2009
From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:02:05 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
In-Reply-To: <1e76a9d60912201916g1df6fd96mc72f486bd4d940a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com><1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.2.20091220121943.043fd4d0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912201916g1df6fd96mc72f486bd4d940a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56C1AA522B6C4E11821BA95C437CB2E4@bendixad.int>


Andrew Jaswa wrote:

> I don't think I've run into many places who ask for you to
call them right 
> after you've sent in your resume in MS word (which is a
whole other issue)...
> "We are currently hiring UI Developer interested in this
opportunity, first 
> email a MS Word version of your resume, followed by a
phone call."

-------------------------

Were I him, I'd do the same. That way, I wouldn't waste my
time calling people when they're unavailable. Some of these
folks are primarily sourcers: all they do is get the
candidate ready for the primary recruiter. So, a lot of what
they ask you to do? it's to see if you're a professional in
the first place: can you follow directions, are you pleasant
to everyone and not just the people you have to impress,
etc. Sourcers work really fast. The faster they work, the
more they make. Seems like a smart way to save time.

As for MS shops, if you're top posting, then you ARE the
product of the MS mentality. :)

Kelley
--
Kelley Walker
Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969



On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Kelley Walker
<designlists at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> At 12:15 PM 12/20/2009, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>
>> That seems like an odd way of applying for a job...
>
> Not sure what's odd about it. Could you elaborate?
>
> Kelley




From ajaswa at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 12:44:54 2009
From: ajaswa at gmail.com (Andrew Jaswa)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:44:54 -0700
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
In-Reply-To: <56C1AA522B6C4E11821BA95C437CB2E4@bendixad.int>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com><1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.2.20091220121943.043fd4d0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912201916g1df6fd96mc72f486bd4d940a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<56C1AA522B6C4E11821BA95C437CB2E4@bendixad.int>
Message-ID: <73586C56-6432-493A-9372-66EB20208D83@gmail.com>

All I was saying is that I thought it was odd. I'd never seen it  
before. =p

btw, top posting is made easy by apple and google too.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 21, 2009, at 9:02, "Kelley Walker" <kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com 
 > wrote:

>
> Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>
>> I don't think I've run into many places who ask for you to
> call them right
>> after you've sent in your resume in MS word (which is a
> whole other issue)...
>> "We are currently hiring UI Developer interested in this
> opportunity, first
>> email a MS Word version of your resume, followed by a
> phone call."
>
> -------------------------
>
> Were I him, I'd do the same. That way, I wouldn't waste my
> time calling people when they're unavailable. Some of these
> folks are primarily sourcers: all they do is get the
> candidate ready for the primary recruiter. So, a lot of what
> they ask you to do? it's to see if you're a professional in
> the first place: can you follow directions, are you pleasant
> to everyone and not just the people you have to impress,
> etc. Sourcers work really fast. The faster they work, the
> more they make. Seems like a smart way to save time.
>
> As for MS shops, if you're top posting, then you ARE the
> product of the MS mentality. :)
>
> Kelley
> --
> Kelley Walker
> Lead Developer, Boat Trader | RV Trader
> T: 757.351.8615 | F: 757.282.2491 | C 757.717.9969
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Kelley Walker
> <designlists at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
>> At 12:15 PM 12/20/2009, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>>>
>>> That seems like an odd way of applying for a job...
>>
>> Not sure what's odd about it. Could you elaborate?
>>
>> Kelley
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug

From reese at inkworkswell.com  Mon Dec 21 21:08:32 2009
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:08:32 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] JOB: UI Developer, jQuery/RIA experience, Richmond
In-Reply-To: <73586C56-6432-493A-9372-66EB20208D83@gmail.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091220094424.03794050@pop.inkworkswell.com><1e76a9d60912200915u1711ee14gf940058487667a2e@mail.gmail.com><6.1.2.0.2.20091220121943.043fd4d0@pop.inkworkswell.com>	<1e76a9d60912201916g1df6fd96mc72f486bd4d940a3@mail.gmail.com>	<56C1AA522B6C4E11821BA95C437CB2E4@bendixad.int>
	<73586C56-6432-493A-9372-66EB20208D83@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B302A20.8040608@inkworkswell.com>

On 21-Dec-09 12:44, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> All I was saying is that I thought it was odd. I'd never seen it before. =p

The solicitation for r?sum?s or making the first call? I thought making
the first call was odd. I agree with Kelley that the recruiter is being
smart and/or lazy and expecting (hoping?) the applicants will do some of
his work for him.

> btw, top posting is made easy by apple and google too.

Perhaps, but does that justify it or its continuation? This is a
shibboleth, it seems. Google clearly came after Microsoft, I wonder
how the early Apple/Mac email applications handled this. I know that
Eudora for Mac in the OS 8 or 9 days favored inline/bottom posting.
What about before that?

Reese



From erin.walsh at dominionenterprises.com  Mon Dec 28 09:51:47 2009
From: erin.walsh at dominionenterprises.com (Erin Walsh)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:51:47 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] UXCamp DC $20
Message-ID: <887C9D95-A776-4EF9-930E-0342DB79678D@dominionenterprises.com>

http://uxbarcampdc.eventbrite.com/
UXCamp DC is about bringing together the area's foremost thinkers and  
practitioners: sharing the big ideas that inspire.

UXCamp DC is an ad-hoc un-conference and is part of the larger  
BarCamp movement. The focus of this camp is user experience--online  
and offline. There is no set agenda until everyone gathers. Attendees  
are required to participate to some degree: either by leading a  
discussion, showing a demo, or by creating another type of  
collaborative session.

Web Site: www.uxbarcampdc.org

Who Should Attend:
? web designers
? user experience practitioners
? information architects
? architects

The Rules:
? No PowerPoint
? Everyone must participate
? Vote with your feet

The Schedule:
Registration: 9:00 AM
Agenda Creation: 9:30 AM
Sessions: 11:00 AM - 5:30 PM



erin walsh | product developer | For Rent Media Solutions?
150 granby street, 16th floor | norfolk, va 23510
p:757.351.8444 | f:757.961.4827
erin.walsh at ForRent.com| www.FRMediaSolutions.com


You Have Multiple Marketing Needs... We Have Multiple Solutions!



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From ken at metaskills.net  Mon Dec 28 14:44:40 2009
From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:44:40 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Web Developer Skills For Mobile Applications.
Message-ID: <B0F72109-C99C-4126-B2D8-38FCBD877784@metaskills.net>


I remember a talk awhile back ago about this and thought I would share this link

Use Appcelerator Titanium to build mobile apps for iPhone & 
Android and desktop apps for Windows, Mac OS X & Linux from 
Web technologies <http://www.appcelerator.com/>

I'm less dogmatic and would say use what's best. I've gotten really comfortable with Objective-C and the Cocoa frameworks lately and really enjoy the good OO patterns it allows for C ? and where I have gotten with my current app using it. However, for other apps, this looks really interesting. My 2cents is that the framework is yet another big fat JS one to learn the abstraction wrappers. Solutions all depend on where you are and what you need to do.


- Ken

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From kcollins at decisiv.net  Mon Dec 28 14:13:37 2009
From: kcollins at decisiv.net (Ken Collins)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:13:37 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Web Developer Skills For Mobile Applications.
Message-ID: <1110E338-9E7C-4092-92AE-64A892D2582A@decisiv.net>


I remember a talk awhile back ago about this and thought I would share this link

Use Appcelerator Titanium to build mobile apps for iPhone & 
Android and desktop apps for Windows, Mac OS X & Linux from 
Web technologies <http://www.appcelerator.com/>

I'm less dogmatic and would say use what's best. I've gotten really comfortable with Objective-C and the Cocoa frameworks lately and really enjoy good OO programing and where I have gotten with my current app using it. However, for other apps, this looks really interesting. My 2cents is that the framework is yet another big fat JS one to learn the abstraction wrappers. Solutions all depend on where you are and what you need to do.


 - Ken



From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Mon Dec 28 18:38:41 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:38:41 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] UXCamp DC $20
In-Reply-To: <887C9D95-A776-4EF9-930E-0342DB79678D@dominionenterprises.c
 om>
References: <887C9D95-A776-4EF9-930E-0342DB79678D@dominionenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091228183817.05053b50@pop.inkworkswell.com>

who wants to go? I'm up for it!

Kelley

At 09:51 AM 12/28/2009, Erin Walsh wrote:
><http://uxbarcampdc.eventbrite.com>http://uxbarcampdc.eventbrite.com/
>
>UXCamp DC is about bringing together the area's foremost thinkers and 
>practitioners: sharing the big ideas that inspire.
>
>UXCamp DC is an ad-hoc un-conference and is part of the larger 
><http://www.barcamp.org>BarCamp movement. The focus of this camp is user 
>experience--online and offline. There is no set agenda until everyone 
>gathers. Attendees are required to participate to some degree: either by 
>leading a discussion, showing a demo, or by creating another type of 
>collaborative session.
>
>Web Site: <http://www.uxbarcampdc.org>www.uxbarcampdc.org
>
>Who Should Attend:
>? web designers
>? user experience practitioners
>? information architects
>? architects
>
>The Rules:
>? No PowerPoint
>? Everyone must participate
>? Vote with your feet
>
>The Schedule:
>Registration: 9:00 AM
>Agenda Creation: 9:30 AM
>Sessions: 11:00 AM - 5:30 PM
>
>
>erin walsh | product developer | For Rent Media Solutions?
>150 granby street, 16th floor | norfolk, va 23510
>p:757.351.8444 | f:757.961.4827
><mailto:erin.walsh at ForRent.com>erin.walsh at ForRent.com| 
>www.FRMediaSolutions.com
>
>
>You Have Multiple Marketing Needs... We Have Multiple Solutions!
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Mon Dec 28 19:24:26 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Modular Web Design
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091228183817.05053b50@pop.inkworkswell.com>
References: <887C9D95-A776-4EF9-930E-0342DB79678D@dominionenterprises.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20091228183817.05053b50@pop.inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091228184405.05643cb0@pop.inkworkswell.com>

I feel a pre-presentation coming on....

Two actually.

1. I've been reading Mathan Curtis's Modular Web Design which is the UX 
engineer's version of Object Oriented CSS. Where OOCSS is all about making 
the code modular, Modular Web Design is all about making the design 
components modular.

for those who attended my presentation, I'd mentioned that one of the 
reasons why OOCSS is important, and emphasizes the role of the UI 
developer, is that when you're in OOCSS mode, you're more likely to re-use 
components. Thus, when a designer hands off a design calling for a 2px gray 
border, but it's usually 1px, you'll spot it -- because you can't reuse 
code, but have to write new code. Since the difference between 1 and 2px is 
negligible, and there's no good reason for a design change most times 
anyway, the UI developer ends up going back to the designer to clarify the 
requirements.

With Modular Web Design, the idea is to make those elements modular and 
reusable at the UX design level first.

2. I heard a couple of things recently that put me on edge:

  - UI/UX is all about making things "look pretty," and
  - UI development is important, that's why we ALL do it (meaning backend 
developers)

With regard to the 2nd issue, I think that would make for a good discussion.

Delineate the ways UI/UX about a lot more than making things "look pretty".

As for "we all do it" issue, it occurred to me to create a quiz. Questions 
might be the following. Any other test questions you'd add? :)

a. Explain the box model then explain at least one box model bug for which 
a UI developer would need to be acquainted to code for IE6.

b. Name three deprecated HTML elements

c. True or False: A selector name "rightRail" is semantic. Explain your answer.

d. Name two microformats that are in the completed Specifications stage.

e. What does POSH stand for?

f. What is the basis of

g. True or False: when developing a new Web site, you should use the 
transitional doctype

h. When indenting markup, the example of indentation (below) is an accurate 
representation of the DOM tree, true or false:

<div class="foo">
    <h1>Heading</h1>
       <p>This is a paragraph that is very short.</p>
          <a href="" title="">This is a link</a>
</div>
i. The "alt" attribute has been deprecated but we still use it for SEO 
reasons only. True or False?

add your own question here! :)

Kelley
kcwalker at inkworkswell.com



blah blah


           	


From young.zach at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 22:05:49 2009
From: young.zach at gmail.com (Zach Young)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:05:49 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] A Few Items
Message-ID: <424f9b530912281905m4d47ffb4x54c61b9b1b38e0d2@mail.gmail.com>

1. We were supposed to have voted on designs for the new site already,
but one person wanted to submit, but was having computer issues. They
should be resolved soon and then I'll put them all up.

2. I'm on vacation starting tomorrow, so I wanted to go ahead and send
out the reminder for the next meeting (as it's next week.)

January 5, 2010
6pm - 7pm
Library - 2nd Floor Meeting Room
(Afterwards we can continue the discussion elsewhere if people desire to do so.)

Albert will be giving a presentation on separation of JS/CSS/HTML/etc.
(if I understood correctly. It may be something slightly different,
but either way it should be interesting. I've already chatted with
Albert a bit on this and it seems like there can be a good discussion
as well as a presentation.)

See you next week!

Zach Young | 757.462.0045 | http://zachyoung.org

From chrismjones at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 22:57:33 2009
From: chrismjones at gmail.com (Christopher Jones)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:57:33 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Modular Web Design
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091228184405.05643cb0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
References: <887C9D95-A776-4EF9-930E-0342DB79678D@dominionenterprises.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20091228183817.05053b50@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20091228184405.05643cb0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <bb5feff20912281957l57fd2d7bt373a31a4eb20d6ca@mail.gmail.com>

1. Haven't read anything on Modular Web Design, but making visual components
seems to be the point, so ok, I'm with that.

2. In my opinion, UI/UX is less about "making things look pretty" than
anything else. I know very few back-end developers who know the first thing
about UI or UX, no matter what they think they know. For that matter, most
of the front-end developers don't know nearly the UI/UX that they think they
do.

That being the case, I would like to point out that UI/UX is not the same as
front-end implementation, which is where all of your questions are focused.
While a front-end developer may know all of the answers to your questions,
knowing those tells us nothing about their skills at making the user
experience a rewarding one. The user doesn't care if the code is valid. They
don't care about the doctype or if the entire site is written in spans or
tables. You can have excellent UI/UX with awful code driving it. You can
have excellent code driving myspace... and what do you know, they do.

A UI/UX designer (for lack of a better term) needs a different knowledge
base that has little to do with code, beyond knowing what is possible. For
example, what are the differences in how users use a form that has top
labels vs side labels? How about left-aligned vs right-aligned labels? What
are the use cases when you would use each?

What draws the users eye to let them know where the calls to action are?

How is readability affected by line-height? Font-size? Line length? What is
the optimum of each of those for different age groups?

Why are drop down menus bad for users?

How does site speed affect users and how can you get around a site with
large load times?

Is the new HTML5 video tag better for users than what we are all using now?
Why?

What are the benefits and downfalls of using embedded font-faces?

Those are just a few of the things someone in UI/UX needs to know, and most
of those don't need to be known by a front-end developer for that developer
to be excellent at implementation, which is the developers actual job.

~ Christopher

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Kelley Walker <designlists at inkworkswell.com
> wrote:

> I feel a pre-presentation coming on....
>
> Two actually.
>
> 1. I've been reading Mathan Curtis's Modular Web Design which is the UX
> engineer's version of Object Oriented CSS. Where OOCSS is all about making
> the code modular, Modular Web Design is all about making the design
> components modular.
>
> for those who attended my presentation, I'd mentioned that one of the
> reasons why OOCSS is important, and emphasizes the role of the UI developer,
> is that when you're in OOCSS mode, you're more likely to re-use components.
> Thus, when a designer hands off a design calling for a 2px gray border, but
> it's usually 1px, you'll spot it -- because you can't reuse code, but have
> to write new code. Since the difference between 1 and 2px is negligible, and
> there's no good reason for a design change most times anyway, the UI
> developer ends up going back to the designer to clarify the requirements.
>
> With Modular Web Design, the idea is to make those elements modular and
> reusable at the UX design level first.
>
> 2. I heard a couple of things recently that put me on edge:
>
>  - UI/UX is all about making things "look pretty," and
>  - UI development is important, that's why we ALL do it (meaning backend
> developers)
>
> With regard to the 2nd issue, I think that would make for a good
> discussion.
>
> Delineate the ways UI/UX about a lot more than making things "look pretty".
>
> As for "we all do it" issue, it occurred to me to create a quiz. Questions
> might be the following. Any other test questions you'd add? :)
>
> a. Explain the box model then explain at least one box model bug for which
> a UI developer would need to be acquainted to code for IE6.
>
> b. Name three deprecated HTML elements
>
> c. True or False: A selector name "rightRail" is semantic. Explain your
> answer.
>
> d. Name two microformats that are in the completed Specifications stage.
>
> e. What does POSH stand for?
>
> f. What is the basis of
>
> g. True or False: when developing a new Web site, you should use the
> transitional doctype
>
> h. When indenting markup, the example of indentation (below) is an accurate
> representation of the DOM tree, true or false:
>
> <div class="foo">
>   <h1>Heading</h1>
>      <p>This is a paragraph that is very short.</p>
>         <a href="" title="">This is a link</a>
> </div>
> i. The "alt" attribute has been deprecated but we still use it for SEO
> reasons only. True or False?
>
> add your own question here! :)
>
> Kelley
> kcwalker at inkworkswell.com
>
>
>
> blah blah
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
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From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 11:04:26 2009
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:04:26 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>

this is an interesting little hack, you all may like, but this is directed
to zachary, check it out. the media temple hackery.
http://4nx4.com/mt-hack-code.txt

-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
http://bowdenweb.com/
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From chrismjones at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 11:07:51 2009
From: chrismjones at gmail.com (Christopher Jones)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:07:51 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb5feff20912290807k423acaceo42fa5e88a4d627b7@mail.gmail.com>

What does that do?

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, James Albert Bowden <
jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:

> this is an interesting little hack, you all may like, but this is directed
> to zachary, check it out. the media temple hackery.
> http://4nx4.com/mt-hack-code.txt
>
> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From adam at uptill3.com  Tue Dec 29 11:11:02 2009
From: adam at uptill3.com (Adam Crosby)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:11:02 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <bb5feff20912290807k423acaceo42fa5e88a4d627b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<bb5feff20912290807k423acaceo42fa5e88a4d627b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1624DFE-C921-4E3C-8285-E5BA623CB9CF@uptill3.com>

http://michaeltorbert.com/blog/media-temple-hacked/

On Dec 29, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Jones wrote:

> What does that do?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, James Albert Bowden <jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:
> this is an interesting little hack, you all may like, but this is directed to zachary, check it out. the media temple hackery. http://4nx4.com/mt-hack-code.txt
> 
> -- 
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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From reese at inkworkswell.com  Tue Dec 29 13:35:00 2009
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:35:00 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>

On 29-Dec-09 11:04, James Albert Bowden wrote:
> this is an interesting little hack, you all may like, but this is directed
> to zachary, check it out. the media temple hackery.
> http://4nx4.com/mt-hack-code.txt


Not to harsh the mellow, but Kelley and I originate from a Security
Awareness background so that part of me insists on saying something.

Are the WSUUG archives public or private?

If we are going to have materials like this in our archives, they
should be private IMO. I do not think we want to garner a reputation
for being a repository of or gateway to exploit code. Links to such
things should be visibly broken, the truly curious can reassemble
those links if they want to investigate - if the archives are public
and it is desired to keep them public.

I wrote Zach yesterday, he's out of town for a few days and will have
reduced Internet access as a result.

Andrew, would you attend to verifying the current status of the WSUUG
archives and take appropriate action if necessary? Or, write me offlist
for some alternatives.

Reese


From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Tue Dec 29 18:55:01 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:55:01 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Modular Web Design
In-Reply-To: <bb5feff20912281957l57fd2d7bt373a31a4eb20d6ca@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <887C9D95-A776-4EF9-930E-0342DB79678D@dominionenterprises.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20091228183817.05053b50@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20091228184405.05643cb0@pop.inkworkswell.com>
	<bb5feff20912281957l57fd2d7bt373a31a4eb20d6ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091229184819.037e7320@pop.inkworkswell.com>

At 10:57 PM 12/28/2009, Christopher Jones wrote:
>1. Haven't read anything on Modular Web Design, but making visual 
>components seems to be the point, so ok, I'm with that.
>
>2. In my opinion, UI/UX is less about "making things look pretty" than 
>anything else. I know very few back-end developers who know the first 
>thing about UI or UX, no matter what they think they know. For that 
>matter, most of the front-end developers don't know nearly the UI/UX that 
>they think they do.

true true.


>That being the case, I would like to point out that UI/UX is not the same 
>as front-end implementation, which is where all of your questions are focused.

Exactly. The quiz idea was geared to the backend developers who think UI/UX 
is primarily about markup. I didn't explain it well enough, I suppose. At 
any rate, I was thinking of administering such a quiz just to make a point.

As for the rest, I couldn't agree more!

The issue for us, at least in our organization, is advocacy for a role 
broader than implementation. I am thinking of this on two fronts:

1. avoid treating implementation as "mere implementation".
2. avoid treating implementation as separate from the broader UX issues you 
mention below.

I was listening to a video by Charles Wyke-Smith a couple of weeks ago. He 
was walking through *just* markup issues - "lowly" things like making sure 
there is title text and alt text, using page titles correctly, etc. He was 
pointing out how each of these things had much to do with UX in the broader 
sense you speak of below.

Thanks for your feedback Chris!

Kelley

>While a front-end developer may know all of the answers to your questions, 
>knowing those tells us nothing about their skills at making the user 
>experience a rewarding one. The user doesn't care if the code is valid. 
>They don't care about the doctype or if the entire site is written in 
>spans or tables. You can have excellent UI/UX with awful code driving it. 
>You can have excellent code driving myspace... and what do you know, they do.
>
>A UI/UX designer (for lack of a better term) needs a different knowledge 
>base that has little to do with code, beyond knowing what is possible. For 
>example, what are the differences in how users use a form that has top 
>labels vs side labels? How about left-aligned vs right-aligned labels? 
>What are the use cases when you would use each?
>
>What draws the users eye to let them know where the calls to action are?
>
>How is readability affected by line-height? Font-size? Line length? What 
>is the optimum of each of those for different age groups?
>
>Why are drop down menus bad for users?
>
>How does site speed affect users and how can you get around a site with 
>large load times?
>
>Is the new HTML5 video tag better for users than what we are all using 
>now? Why?
>
>What are the benefits and downfalls of using embedded font-faces?
>
>Those are just a few of the things someone in UI/UX needs to know, and 
>most of those don't need to be known by a front-end developer for that 
>developer to be excellent at implementation, which is the developers 
>actual job.
>
>~ Christopher
>
>On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Kelley Walker 
><<mailto:designlists at inkworkswell.com>designlists at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
>I feel a pre-presentation coming on....
>
>Two actually.
>
>1. I've been reading Mathan Curtis's Modular Web Design which is the UX 
>engineer's version of Object Oriented CSS. Where OOCSS is all about making 
>the code modular, Modular Web Design is all about making the design 
>components modular.
>
>for those who attended my presentation, I'd mentioned that one of the 
>reasons why OOCSS is important, and emphasizes the role of the UI 
>developer, is that when you're in OOCSS mode, you're more likely to re-use 
>components. Thus, when a designer hands off a design calling for a 2px 
>gray border, but it's usually 1px, you'll spot it -- because you can't 
>reuse code, but have to write new code. Since the difference between 1 and 
>2px is negligible, and there's no good reason for a design change most 
>times anyway, the UI developer ends up going back to the designer to 
>clarify the requirements.
>
>With Modular Web Design, the idea is to make those elements modular and 
>reusable at the UX design level first.
>
>2. I heard a couple of things recently that put me on edge:
>
>  - UI/UX is all about making things "look pretty," and
>  - UI development is important, that's why we ALL do it (meaning backend 
> developers)
>
>With regard to the 2nd issue, I think that would make for a good discussion.
>
>Delineate the ways UI/UX about a lot more than making things "look pretty".
>
>As for "we all do it" issue, it occurred to me to create a quiz. Questions 
>might be the following. Any other test questions you'd add? :)
>
>a. Explain the box model then explain at least one box model bug for which 
>a UI developer would need to be acquainted to code for IE6.
>
>b. Name three deprecated HTML elements
>
>c. True or False: A selector name "rightRail" is semantic. Explain your 
>answer.
>
>d. Name two microformats that are in the completed Specifications stage.
>
>e. What does POSH stand for?
>
>f. What is the basis of
>
>g. True or False: when developing a new Web site, you should use the 
>transitional doctype
>
>h. When indenting markup, the example of indentation (below) is an 
>accurate representation of the DOM tree, true or false:
>
><div class="foo">
>   <h1>Heading</h1>
>      <p>This is a paragraph that is very short.</p>
>         <a href="" title="">This is a link</a>
></div>
>i. The "alt" attribute has been deprecated but we still use it for SEO 
>reasons only. True or False?
>
>add your own question here! :)
>
>Kelley
><mailto:kcwalker at inkworkswell.com>kcwalker at inkworkswell.com
>
>
>
>blah blah
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wsuug mailing list
><mailto:Wsuug at list.wsuug.org>Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Wsuug mailing list
>Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
>http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug


From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Tue Dec 29 19:22:04 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:22:04 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] ui/ux-related schwag, etc.
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091229191707.0431e6c0@pop.inkworkswell.com>

At our Refresh meeting last month, I mentioned that I was hoping to gather 
together as many resources as possible for doing PR, as well as soliciting 
schwag, review copies of books, subscriptions, conference admission deals etc.

Toward that end, I'm gathering a list of any organization you can think of 
that I should have on our PR list.

Favorite publishers?
Favorite authors?
Favorite bloggers?
Companies?
Organizations/Associations

I was hoping to make light work of this by tapping the collective brain 
trust. I'll hunt down the contact information; I just want to have a nice 
big list to work from.

Thanks!

Kelley


From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Tue Dec 29 19:45:21 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Dive into accessibility
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091229193531.03f2fb30@pop.inkworkswell.com>

Hey All,

Albert brought to my attention a 30-day long course, Dive Into 
Accessibility at http://diveintoaccessibility.org/. (Thanks Albert!)

We're firing up a group at our workplace with the goal of coming up with a 
proposal for accessibility standards for the entire company. Our CIO is 
very much behind this and he's also a big fan of reaching out to the 
broader community when possible.

To that end, is anyone here interested in joining in? We're going to try to 
meet for 30 minutes, twice a week. Those of you who aren't on site in 
Norfolk could join us remotely, dialing you in on a conference call. I 
haven't worked out all the details, just wanted to find out if there's 
interest first.

Another thought I had was we could do a public, group blog about the 
experience, taking turns writing about what we're learning each day/week.

Any interest?

Kelley



When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
Phone:    (757) 717-9969 


From mail at ryanbrunsvold.com  Tue Dec 29 19:56:35 2009
From: mail at ryanbrunsvold.com (Ryan Brunsvold)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:56:35 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Dive into accessibility
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20091229193531.03f2fb30@pop.inkworkswell.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20091229193531.03f2fb30@pop.inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <1499abcc0912291656n418bb62byaaf898343eb24764@mail.gmail.com>

Great idea Kelley,

Count me in.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Kelley Walker <designlists at inkworkswell.com
> wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Albert brought to my attention a 30-day long course, Dive Into
> Accessibility at http://diveintoaccessibility.org/. (Thanks Albert!)
>
> We're firing up a group at our workplace with the goal of coming up with a
> proposal for accessibility standards for the entire company. Our CIO is very
> much behind this and he's also a big fan of reaching out to the broader
> community when possible.
>
> To that end, is anyone here interested in joining in? We're going to try to
> meet for 30 minutes, twice a week. Those of you who aren't on site in
> Norfolk could join us remotely, dialing you in on a conference call. I
> haven't worked out all the details, just wanted to find out if there's
> interest first.
>
> Another thought I had was we could do a public, group blog about the
> experience, taking turns writing about what we're learning each day/week.
>
> Any interest?
>
> Kelley
>
>
>
> When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
> Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
> Phone:    (757) 717-9969
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
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From jalbertbowden at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 21:00:54 2009
From: jalbertbowden at gmail.com (James Albert Bowden)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:00:54 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] today was a great day
Message-ID: <1daba98e0912291800v62f336dcyb5ee608e96b41d6b@mail.gmail.com>

wow. great conversations my peoples! i love it.
chris - i think that was the sql injection that was used to hack into media
temple. zach and i have been talking about the recent hack of mt and i found
that and wanted to show him. reese pointed out how much of a bad idea that
was...my bad. once again my n00biness precedes me...meh. i'm used to it.
either way, pretty interesting stuff. i showed it to joshz0r and he thought
it was pretty cool.
but again, i'm sorry. and it won't happen again.
i'm of the opinion that we all have something to bring to the table
regarding ui/ux. another reason why this group is a great idea as well as
anything else we undertake together.
personally, i grow ever so tired of playing alphabet soup. what's the
difference between usability, findability, accessibility, searchability? to
me, there's none. that sounds preposterous i know, but i clump them up
together into front-end. clump as in ball them together not in degrade their
importance. i can't see how anyone doing front-end can ignore the importance
of all them. granted we have to make exceptions at times at work...but we're
never personally happy with it. you do what you have to do. pew. i can't
believe i just said that.
ps - i can't believe we got the whole e4h summit! sorry non-DE's, but i'm
totally stoked! on that note, for being the 8th worst company in america to
work for, that's pretty schweet. someone should send that over to the
huffington post.
cheers

-- 
J. Albert Bowden II
albert.bowden at residentsource.com
jalbertbowden at gmail.com
c.757.968.9133
w.757.351.7204
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From jz at frimmin.com  Tue Dec 29 21:22:24 2009
From: jz at frimmin.com (Jon Zuck)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:22:24 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] today was a great day
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e0912291800v62f336dcyb5ee608e96b41d6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e0912291800v62f336dcyb5ee608e96b41d6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64f12f1d0912291822h4b23d437y54042e0a6bfc5485@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Albert on what he said... to me, "Front-End" is everything a
front-end developer *should* know,
whether or not it's what he needs to know for implementation in a shop that
doesn't care about good design.


jon


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:00 PM, James Albert Bowden <
jalbertbowden at gmail.com> wrote:

> wow. great conversations my peoples! i love it.
> chris - i think that was the sql injection that was used to hack into media
> temple. zach and i have been talking about the recent hack of mt and i found
> that and wanted to show him. reese pointed out how much of a bad idea that
> was...my bad. once again my n00biness precedes me...meh. i'm used to it.
> either way, pretty interesting stuff. i showed it to joshz0r and he thought
> it was pretty cool.
> but again, i'm sorry. and it won't happen again.
> i'm of the opinion that we all have something to bring to the table
> regarding ui/ux. another reason why this group is a great idea as well as
> anything else we undertake together.
> personally, i grow ever so tired of playing alphabet soup. what's the
> difference between usability, findability, accessibility, searchability? to
> me, there's none. that sounds preposterous i know, but i clump them up
> together into front-end. clump as in ball them together not in degrade their
> importance. i can't see how anyone doing front-end can ignore the importance
> of all them. granted we have to make exceptions at times at work...but we're
> never personally happy with it. you do what you have to do. pew. i can't
> believe i just said that.
> ps - i can't believe we got the whole e4h summit! sorry non-DE's, but i'm
> totally stoked! on that note, for being the 8th worst company in america to
> work for, that's pretty schweet. someone should send that over to the
> huffington post.
> cheers
>
> --
> J. Albert Bowden II
> albert.bowden at residentsource.com
> jalbertbowden at gmail.com
> c.757.968.9133
> w.757.351.7204
> http://bowdenweb.com/
> http://refreshhamptonroads.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
>


-- 
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From ajaswa at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 22:34:45 2009
From: ajaswa at gmail.com (Andrew Jaswa)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:34:45 -0700
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:

> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?

Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...

> If we are going to have materials like this in our archives, they
> should be private IMO. I do not think we want to garner a reputation
> for being a repository of or gateway to exploit code. Links to such
> things should be visibly broken, the truly curious can reassemble
> those links if they want to investigate - if the archives are public
> and it is desired to keep them public.

I really don't see the issue here. Google does the same thing. Albert
thought that the code was interesting and shared with the group. Just
because the code in question wasn't originally intended for good, what
can you learn from it? For example: Here is a bit of code that could
disable my server. I think I'm going to read the code, setup a test
environment and figure out how to protect myself from this sort of
attack.

I would encourage this sort of sharing as it brings awareness to
issues like this.

Why would breaking links in your emails be good? Adam quickly found a
blog post about the subject and posted it. Is it OK for Adam to post a
link to the blog post (with the bit of offending code that matters)
and is it not OK for Albert to link directly to the offending code? Is
there really a difference?

If you feel strongly about this then by all means when you post links
to potentially malicious code (which could be any code if not tested
correctly) feel free to break up the URL to that it is hard for a user
to click on. And if you feel even more strongly, by all means
encourage others to do the same.

I won't condone this sort of censorship and feel it is entirely pointless.

With that being said I would like to see that conversations are on
topic (mainly web development and the likes) and I would step in if
people started posting links to warez sites (etc..) or directly to
malicious code that got run in a users browser. But alas no all Albert
did was provide a link to a educational resource to assist you in
making an informed decision about who to select as your hosting
provider and to better protect yourself. I don't believe that warrants
taking the list private.

> Andrew, would you attend to verifying the current status of the WSUUG
> archives and take appropriate action if necessary? Or, write me offlist
> for some alternatives.

Per my comments above I do not see the need for any action.

From mail at ryanbrunsvold.com  Tue Dec 29 23:11:34 2009
From: mail at ryanbrunsvold.com (Ryan Brunsvold)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1499abcc0912292011v6ea56997h29cfaf3531cae81d@mail.gmail.com>

Well said, Andrew.

I don't think we run the risk of garnering a negative reputation for
providing informative links. Even If a member had posted the actual code
with a "use this to hack XYZ" message, the integrity of the group would only
suffer if we failed to take administrative action against that specific
member.

Members should be encouraged to post educational links to issues that could
potentially affect everyone in the group or the
Accessibility/Usability/Security community at large. As for the posting of
"visibly broken" links, I'm confused as to the relevancy of that approach.
It seems a bit arcane and could potentially have the undesirable affect of
forcing participants to provide obtuse, non-specific information about
specific topics or worse, not participate in discussions at all.

All we can do with this list is educate and organize. The responsible
application of code or advice falls to the individual developer.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Andrew Jaswa <ajaswa at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
>
> > Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>
> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
>
> > If we are going to have materials like this in our archives, they
> > should be private IMO. I do not think we want to garner a reputation
> > for being a repository of or gateway to exploit code. Links to such
> > things should be visibly broken, the truly curious can reassemble
> > those links if they want to investigate - if the archives are public
> > and it is desired to keep them public.
>
> I really don't see the issue here. Google does the same thing. Albert
> thought that the code was interesting and shared with the group. Just
> because the code in question wasn't originally intended for good, what
> can you learn from it? For example: Here is a bit of code that could
> disable my server. I think I'm going to read the code, setup a test
> environment and figure out how to protect myself from this sort of
> attack.
>
> I would encourage this sort of sharing as it brings awareness to
> issues like this.
>
> Why would breaking links in your emails be good? Adam quickly found a
> blog post about the subject and posted it. Is it OK for Adam to post a
> link to the blog post (with the bit of offending code that matters)
> and is it not OK for Albert to link directly to the offending code? Is
> there really a difference?
>
> If you feel strongly about this then by all means when you post links
> to potentially malicious code (which could be any code if not tested
> correctly) feel free to break up the URL to that it is hard for a user
> to click on. And if you feel even more strongly, by all means
> encourage others to do the same.
>
> I won't condone this sort of censorship and feel it is entirely pointless.
>
> With that being said I would like to see that conversations are on
> topic (mainly web development and the likes) and I would step in if
> people started posting links to warez sites (etc..) or directly to
> malicious code that got run in a users browser. But alas no all Albert
> did was provide a link to a educational resource to assist you in
> making an informed decision about who to select as your hosting
> provider and to better protect yourself. I don't believe that warrants
> taking the list private.
>
> > Andrew, would you attend to verifying the current status of the WSUUG
> > archives and take appropriate action if necessary? Or, write me offlist
> > for some alternatives.
>
> Per my comments above I do not see the need for any action.
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
>
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From designlists at inkworkswell.com  Wed Dec 30 06:17:28 2009
From: designlists at inkworkswell.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:17:28 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] today was a great day
In-Reply-To: <1daba98e0912291800v62f336dcyb5ee608e96b41d6b@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <1daba98e0912291800v62f336dcyb5ee608e96b41d6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20091230061556.037e6690@pop.inkworkswell.com>

At 09:00 PM 12/29/2009, James Albert Bowden wrote:
>e4h summit


they signed us up for html5, findability, microformats, etc. summits with 
Environments for Humans? If so, I missed that. But I'm stoked too. I was 
just thinking that we should have a bake sale and raise money for a group 
of us to take it ourselves! :)

Kelley

When you need to communicate, Ink Works!
Web site: http://www.inkworkswell.com
Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kelleywalker
Phone:    (757) 717-9969 


From reese at inkworkswell.com  Wed Dec 30 09:44:22 2009
From: reese at inkworkswell.com (Reese)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:44:22 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3B6746.40002@inkworkswell.com>

On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
> 
>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
> 
> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...

It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
for you. @@

As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
conduct white hat research on such things.

Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.


From ken at metaskills.net  Wed Dec 30 09:50:13 2009
From: ken at metaskills.net (Ken Collins)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:50:13 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4B3B6746.40002@inkworkswell.com>
References: <1daba98e0912290804p5dd4ff1dgebc1c69e90c0db1e@mail.gmail.com>	<4B3A4BD4.70109@inkworkswell.com>
	<1e76a9d60912291934l2d29af1dwaa0f266d86d6a7bd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B3B6746.40002@inkworkswell.com>
Message-ID: <FC5C24C2-6506-41A2-B10F-813E590DFDBC@metaskills.net>


http://xkcd.com/327/
This is an old xkcd, but funny and in context with the topic. 
Too software engineer'y, I dunno, but I think it's hilarious.

On Dec 30, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Reese wrote:

> On 29-Dec-09 22:34, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Reese <reese at inkworkswell.com> wrote:
>>> Are the WSUUG archives public or private?
>> Check out the link at the bottom of every email that gets sent out
>> though the list.  It appears to be fairly self evident to me...
> 
> It was a rhetorical question, but I'll be happy to check that link
> for you. @@
> 
> As for the sharing of such things - by all means, but with safeguards,
> same as the way live virus files might be shared between those who
> conduct white hat research on such things.
> 
> Safeguards are not censorship, implying that they are is wrong. Just
> because the MT host has made safeguards against that exploit doesn't
> mean that other hosts are invulnerable to it.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Wsuug mailing list
> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug


From kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com  Wed Dec 30 09:53:27 2009
From: kelley.walker at dominionenterprises.com (Kelley Walker)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:53:27 -0500
Subject: [Wsuug] Greeking machine
Message-ID: <2CF86AF979454E1682DA0564F4BF237C@bendixad.int>


Jon Zuck once commented on the filler text I used in a
mockup. I'd used an alternative to "lorem ipsum". There are
tons of them, but here's one I hadn't seen before, the
Greeking Machine. (Sometimes, using lorem ipsum is called
"Greeking.")
http://www.duckisland.com/GreekMachine.asp?strLanguage=marke
ting&strParag=5&oStyle=2

Kelley
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