[Wsuug] Updated/new site
Jon Zuck
jz at frimmin.com
Sat Jan 26 23:52:26 EST 2008
In the style sheet, did you want Garamond instead of "Garmond?" I would also
spell the div "Navigation" instead of
"Navagation," although that isn't affecting any display unlike a misspelled
font name.
I disagree with the there being a problem with H2 following immediately
after H1. It makes perfect sense in the DOM. H2 is a sub-level... there's
no reason it shouldn't follow immediately... Another heading of the same
level would not make sense being adjacent to its brother. It works like a
document outline.
Jason is right that the "header" DIV could be removed and the H's function
fine without it. If necessary to group them together as for style, you could
give them a common class of "header," but I don't see that as important. I
like the idea of using the ACRONYM tag.
Adding Accesskey information might help in regards to usuabiliity.
I don't really like using Eric Meyer's shotgun approach to white-space
reset... I've outlined my reasons at
http://wildwebweaving.com/2007/07/12/universal-white-space-reset/, because
that's the kind of guy I am.
:-)
On Jan 26, 2008 3:05 PM, Joshua McDonald <josh at thisisgrow.com> wrote:
> Actualy, in this situation, it makes sense to have the header div there.
>
> Since the sub-line is part of the header, but not part of the H1...your
> grouping the "header"
>
> ... and H# tags are technically "headings" not "headers" ... header is the
> top of the content, headings are used through out the content...
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2008 1:32 PM, Jason Wilson <jason at jasonwilsondesign.com> wrote:
>
> > Depends on the situation, a header is the collective information at
> > the head of a page, a heading can be a part of a header or a header
> > by itself.
> >
> > In this case, H1 by itself is probably more correct.
> >
> > On 26 Jan 2008, at 13:25, Adam Crosby wrote:
> >
> > > Doesn't the 'H' in 'H2' and 'H1' mean Header? Is wrapping the tag
> > > that says 'Header1' with a div called 'header' really necessary?
> > > Why not just give the <h1> an id or a class?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 25, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > >> Semantically speaking, 'H2' isn't really the proper tag to use. H2
> > >> would imply that you are starting a new section of the page.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the answer you are looking for is the Acronym tag.
> > >>
> > >> <div id="header">
> > >> <h1><acronym title="Web Standards and Usability Users
> > >> Group">WSUUG</acronym></h1>
> > >> </div>
> > >>
> > >> Also, if you're not using a background you can drop the div and
> > >> just position your H1 tag.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jason
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 25 Jan 2008, at 16:21, Andrew Jaswa wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Everything should be all happy and semantic now. The h2 was added to
> > >>> the header like it was before I went mucking about with things. Also
> > >>> Ryan and I weren't really feeling the centered text at the top so it
> > >>> got shifted to the left and image removed.
> > >>>
> > >>> So heres a question (mainly for the folks who write html out there):
> > >>> What can I do to make the header section more semantic and
> > >>> possibility
> > >>> more "readable"? By readable I mean not just with your eyes. Code
> > >>> below.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> <div id="Header">
> > >>> <h1>WSUUG</h1>
> > >>> <h2>Web Standards and Usability User Group</h2>
> > >>> </div>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Andrew
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jan 24, 2008 4:00 PM, Andrew Jaswa <ajaswa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> Hey Josh,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The alt text for image works for the H1 (which can be read by both
> > >>>> screen readers and search spiders). I am planning on redoing that
> > >>>> though with sifr (or with plain text) later tonight. As for the
> > >>>> H2 I
> > >>>> kinda forgot about that... heh. Good catch though thanks!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If you have any ideas for content please let me know. I'm
> > >>>> planning on
> > >>>> posting the slides and notes from presentations (once we get
> > >>>> around to
> > >>>> them) on the site. Its also not meant to be an overly content heavy
> > >>>> site more information and getting people to come to meetings then
> > >>>> anything.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyways good comments thanks!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Andrew
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Jan 24, 2008 3:48 PM, Joshua McDonald <josh at thisisgrow.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> I think this is my first time jumping into the email
> > >>>>> conversation...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I like the site...its simple...clean...a little lacking in
> > >>>>> content...but not
> > >>>>> bad...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1 thing though...since it is a "usability" site...your headings...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The document outline is
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> H1 - [No Heading Text]
> > >>>>> H2 - [Missing Heading]
> > >>>>> H3 - About.
> > >>>>> H4 - Why?
> > >>>>> H4 - Who?
> > >>>>> H3 and H4 are good, but Without H1 and H2, its silly to jump to
> > >>>>> 3. Since
> > >>>>> you have the title as an image, you should still do this:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <h1>wsuug</h1>
> > >>>>> <h2>web standards and usability group</h2>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -OR-
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <h1>wssug - web standards and usability group</h2> ... and then
> > >>>>> move the
> > >>>>> other (h3 + h4) to h2 + h3.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> then just style h1/h2 (first example) or h1 (second) to be
> > >>>>> display:none.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> One of the things I always try to do is get the document
> > >>>>> outline to look
> > >>>>> right (if you have the Web Dev Toolbar in firefox, its in
> > >>>>> "information ->
> > >>>>> view document outline") ... as it helps usability, and it also
> > >>>>> helps alot in
> > >>>>> the weighting terms by search bots...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Jan 24, 2008 3:38 PM, Andrew Jaswa <ajaswa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hey Folks,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I updated the wsuug site today.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If you have any links for the resources page please include a
> > >>>>>> description of the site and what grouping it should be in.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> http://wsuug.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Enjoy.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Andrew
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> Wsuug mailing list
> > >>>>>> Wsuug at list.wsuug.org
> > >>>>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Joshua McDonald
> > >>>>> Grow Interactive
> > >>>>> www.thisisgrow.com
> > >>>>> 757-248-5274
> > >>>>> 757-248-5275 (f)
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> > >>>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/wsuug
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
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> > >>
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> > >
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>
>
>
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