[Wsuug] Good news!

[Erin Walsh]

Wow, very well said, Andrew.  Your user-centeredness is shining  
through.  :0)



On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Jaswa wrote:

On Feb 19, 2008 10:51 AM, Joshua McDonald <josh at thisisgrow.com> wrote:
> They will never get it right.  Not with windows, not with IE.

Bitter?

> What needs to happen, is developers "join up" and stand up for our
> standards.

We are. Thats what half this group is about, the other half is
providing the best experience to our users.

> Big sites (eBay, MySpace, FaceBook, and major retail sites....etc)  
> should
> team up and show a simple message.

Umm... I have worked with some rather large sites and worked with
folks who work on other large sites. We CANNOT stop support for 80+%
(or which ever number you want) of our visitors. There is too much at
stake (both in traffic and revenue). As web developers it is our job
to provide the best experience to our users no matter what they prefer
as their browser.

This would be like going to a car wash and them turning me away
because I drive a Honda. They'll let in Ford's, Chevy's and any other
car you want to throw in there. But not me because I drive a Honda. So
what will I end up doing? I'll go down the street and go to some place
that will let me in. There are more then enough websites out there
where if they won't let me in with my browser of choice I'll move on
to something similar.

You cannot discriminate on personal preference or browser loyalty. As
much as I would like to kick IE and everything that comes from it to
the curb, I can't. To many people use it, while Firefox has made great
inroads into taking some of that market share away, IE is here to
stay.


> "You are viewing this site in a non standards-compliant browser.   
> Please
> install a standards compliant browser to continue" and link to FF,  
> Safari,
> Opera (ugh...), etc...

Don't forget to include IE7 in there heh...


> If just a handfull of the biggest sites do it, MS's hand will be
> forced...and they might actually get it right.

Firefox, Opera and Safari already have with taking the market share
from an old browser.


Andrew
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