From dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com  Tue Mar 15 23:00:13 2011
From: dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com (dave yates)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:00:13 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
Message-ID: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>

As most of you are probably aware, I will be purchasing a long awaited
android phone shortly after my verizon contract expires on 4/27. I was
wondering what roms you guys recommend. Is cyanogen mod the best? Best as I
can tell, the HTC phones seem more rom friendly. I am leaning towards the
droid incredible 2 (I am not convinced I need to get a 4g phone at this
time) when it becomes available. The motorola phones (except the original
droid) all seem to have locked boot loaders, and as such aren't able to have
the kernels replaced, but some mods (liberty) can be run on them. .

-- 
dave yates
lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast
http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org
SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
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From billycrook at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 00:19:00 2011
From: billycrook at gmail.com (Billy Crook)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:19:00 -0500
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 22:00, dave yates <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com> wrote:
> The motorola phones (except the original
> droid) all seem to have locked boot loaders, and as such aren't able to have
> the kernels replaced, but some mods (liberty) can be run on them. .

I say, boycot Motorola because of this, and their public statement
that they will personally eviscerate any person found to be installing
their own roms.

And I say that, being an owner of an authentic, classic Motorola
Droid.  I will not buy another Motorola, until they publicly
apologize.

From macstevejb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 04:40:53 2011
From: macstevejb at gmail.com (steve)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:40:53 +0000
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4D807795.5000902@gmail.com>

On 16/03/11 03:00, dave yates wrote:
> As most of you are probably aware, I will be purchasing a long awaited 
> android phone shortly after my verizon contract expires on 4/27. I was 
> wondering what roms you guys recommend. Is cyanogen mod the best? Best 
> as I can tell, the HTC phones seem more rom friendly. I am leaning 
> towards the droid incredible 2 ( I am not convinced I need to get a 4g 
> phone at this time) when it becomes available. The motorola phones 
> (except the original droid) all seem to have locked boot loaders, and 
> as such aren't able to have the kernels replaced, but some mods 
> (liberty) can be run on them. .
>
> -- 
> dave yates
> lottalinuxlinks.com <http://lottalinuxlinks.com> linux user podcast
> http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
> The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org
> SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts


Dave...I have an HTC Desire, rooted with Cyanogen Mod 7 RC2 flashed, and 
it works great. I have tried several different roms but IMHO, Cyanogen 
comes out tops.

Take a look at the xda developer forums for much more info:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/filter.php?cat=Android

regards,

Steve
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From madams9 at msn.com  Wed Mar 16 05:35:56 2011
From: madams9 at msn.com (MARK ADAMS)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 03:35:56 -0600
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
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Message-ID: <SNT132-w50EC4B492F2C4EADD447AEEBCE0@phx.gbl>


Dave,

If you've got the time, check out Linux Outlaws podcast 185: http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/185. In the bottom half of that podcast, the guys talk a bit about Dan's HTC and CynagenMod. I don't own a smart phone, but this information was most edumacational.

Just wanted to mention it.

Mark

P.S. Loving the podcasts.

Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:00:13 -0400
From: dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com
To: tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
Subject: [Tllts] android advice

As most of you are probably aware, I will be purchasing a long awaited android phone shortly after my verizon contract expires on 4/27. I was wondering what roms you guys recommend. Is cyanogen mod the best? Best as I can tell, the HTC phones seem more rom friendly. I am leaning towards the droid incredible 2 (I am not convinced I need to get a 4g phone at this time) when it becomes available. The motorola phones (except the original droid) all seem to have locked boot loaders, and as such aren't able to have the kernels replaced, but some mods (liberty) can be run on them. .
 
-- 
dave yates
lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast
http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org

SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org


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From jefrat at jeffratliff.org  Wed Mar 16 09:33:02 2011
From: jefrat at jeffratliff.org (Jeff Ratliff)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:33:02 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1300282382.3762.7.camel@debian.home>

I have an HTC Droid Eris on Verizon. If I were upgrading I would go for
the HTC Incredible. Haven't heard about the Incredible 2, but I'm sold
on HTC. Motorola actively fights anyone trying to root their phones.
Samsung is slow updating to new versions of Android.

As far as ROMs go, it depends very much on the phone. I use a
CyanogenMod based ROM, but Cyanogen doesn't support my phone directly.
You'll probably have more luck getting direct Cyanogen support on the
Incredible/Incredible 2. 

I'd ignore CyanogenMod 7 as it's very new. The latest CyanogenMod 6
should be quite stable and offer lots of features. 

Another alternative is to use the stock ROM on a rooted phone. This will
allow you to use an overclocking app to cut the clock speed when the
phone is idle or screen is off to drastically increase battery life. I
ran a rooted stock ROM for a long time before I flashed a custom ROM.

Whatever you do, have fun. :)

On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 23:00 -0400, dave yates wrote:
> As most of you are probably aware, I will be purchasing a long awaited
> android phone shortly after my verizon contract expires on 4/27. I was
> wondering what roms you guys recommend. Is cyanogen mod the best? Best
> as I can tell, the HTC phones seem more rom friendly. I am leaning
> towards the droid incredible 2 (I am not convinced I need to get a 4g
> phone at this time) when it becomes available. The motorola phones
> (except the original droid) all seem to have locked boot loaders, and
> as such aren't able to have the kernels replaced, but some mods
> (liberty) can be run on them. .
>  
> -- 
> dave yates
> lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast
> http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
> The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org
> SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts



From billycrook at gmail.com  Wed Mar 16 11:49:11 2011
From: billycrook at gmail.com (Billy Crook)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:49:11 -0500
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
In-Reply-To: <1300282382.3762.7.camel@debian.home>
References: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1300282382.3762.7.camel@debian.home>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikZueSgOYwRvu5yixKz=ADrGwDtJwJhKD3=6P2D@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah.  You absolutely need to listen to the Android Central podcast
for android phone advice from people who have used just about every
phone there is.

From jonathan at findyourfans.com  Wed Mar 16 12:51:04 2011
From: jonathan at findyourfans.com (Jonathan Rogers)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:51:04 -0600
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
In-Reply-To: <1300282382.3762.7.camel@debian.home>
References: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
	<1300282382.3762.7.camel@debian.home>
Message-ID: <4D80EA78.7040900@findyourfans.com>

Jeff Ratliff wrote:
> As far as ROMs go, it depends very much on the phone. I use a
> CyanogenMod based ROM, but Cyanogen doesn't support my phone directly.
> You'll probably have more luck getting direct Cyanogen support on the
> Incredible/Incredible 2.
>
> I'd ignore CyanogenMod 7 as it's very new. The latest CyanogenMod 6
> should be quite stable and offer lots of features.

I have a brand new HTC incredible and put CyanogenMod 7 on it almost 
immediately. I have not encountered any major problems. I wanted Android 
2.3 because it has features such as SIP and WebM built in, but I'm sure 
I'd do fine with CyanogenMod 6 as well. I haven't tried any of the other 
Android distributions, as CyanogenMod seems to do what I want.
-- 
Jonathan Rogers

From murph at murph.info  Wed Mar 16 12:58:06 2011
From: murph at murph.info (murph)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTingF8S4=Pz4qbH35NCNszWX9O3+c8KhgG2E_DvE@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:00 PM, dave yates <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com>wrote:

> As most of you are probably aware, I will be purchasing a long awaited
> android phone shortly after my verizon contract expires on 4/27. I was
> wondering what roms you guys recommend. Is cyanogen mod the best? Best as I
> can tell, the HTC phones seem more rom friendly. I am leaning towards the
> droid incredible 2 (I am not convinced I need to get a 4g phone at this
> time) when it becomes available. The motorola phones (except the original
> droid) all seem to have locked boot loaders, and as such aren't able to have
> the kernels replaced, but some mods (liberty) can be run on them. .
>

I have the original droid, and it's great, but Moto have proven themselves
short-sighted with the whole boot rom issue, so I'd check carefully with the
modding comminuty before getting a Moto.


-- 
Team Amiga  New Jersey - The less that I speak, the smarter I sound.

<http://identi.ca/murph>
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From jonathan at findyourfans.com  Wed Mar 16 01:11:34 2011
From: jonathan at findyourfans.com (Jonathan Rogers)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:11:34 -0600
Subject: [Tllts] android advice
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimxJ9A8xJU8+XQXp+tvRj1PumOYMtyGbTDBQob2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8764a90e-2829-4e3f-88ba-64a5750d88ac@email.android.com>

I'm running cyanogen mod 7 on my brand new HTC Incredible and it's great. I have not tried other Android distributions so I can't compare them directed. I also heard about Motorola's lockedness and decided to steer clear of them.
-- 
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

dave yates <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com> wrote:

As most of you are probably aware, I will be purchasing a long awaited android phone shortly after my verizon contract expires on 4/27. I was wondering what roms you guys recommend. Is cyanogen mod the best? Best as I can tell, the HTC phones seem more rom friendly. I am leaning towards the droid incredible 2 (

I am not convinced I need to get a 4g phone at this time) when it becomes available. The motorola phones (except the original droid) all seem to have locked boot loaders, and as such aren't able to have the kernels replaced, but some mods (liberty) can be run on them. .
 
-- 
dave yates
lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast
http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org
SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
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From mailing at vankets.com  Tue Mar 22 11:26:01 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:26:01 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
Message-ID: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>

Hi all,

I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers for kids
between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly GCompris. Both
parents and kids love it.
I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox so the
kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
everybody has a different view on the matter.
Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
traffic. I can't find the name of this app.

Any help is appreciated.

Bert

From artv61 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 11:40:53 2011
From: artv61 at gmail.com (Art Vanderhoff)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>

you might want to look at dansguardian.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers for kids
> between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly GCompris. Both
> parents and kids love it.
> I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox so the
> kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
> into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
> everybody has a different view on the matter.
> Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
> software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
> traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Bert
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
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From jaredbangs at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 11:55:24 2011
From: jaredbangs at gmail.com (Jared Bangs)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:55:24 -0700
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimds5tU7G2gLY4Da-FLhBWqR4oENxw+gTVcPZ72@mail.gmail.com>

Are you talking only software installed on the local workstation, or a
network / server based solution? If the latter is an option, Dansguardian
works pretty well for dynamic content based filtering (as opposed to a list
of known "bad" sites). You can even get super-strict and deny everything
that's not on a white list of allowed sites. The good thing about doing it
this way (network/server based) is you can configure it as a transparent
proxy and configure your network to make sure that all web traffic goes
through it or it doesn't get out at all.

Some of those kids can be pretty tricky little hackers :-) which is a good
thing in a way, but with stuff like this it can keep you on your toes making
sure you've got something they can't get around.
On Mar 22, 2011 8:26 AM, "Bert Van Kets" <mailing at vankets.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers for kids
> between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly GCompris. Both
> parents and kids love it.
> I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox so the
> kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
> into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
> everybody has a different view on the matter.
> Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
> software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
> traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Bert
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
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From mailing at vankets.com  Tue Mar 22 12:17:11 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:17:11 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D88CB87.3090609@vankets.com>

That sure looks like a good contender. :-D
Thanks!
I'll have to implement the daemon on the local machine as there is no
network server available.
It means I need to set the proxy location for FireFox to localhost. I'll
see if I can find a FireFox addon that protects the proxy settings. If
the user changes the proxy settings, you can filter all you want, but
there's no data going though the filter.

Bert

On 22/03/2011 16:40, Art Vanderhoff wrote:
> you might want to look at dansguardian.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com
> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers
>     for kids
>     between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly
>     GCompris. Both
>     parents and kids love it.
>     I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox
>     so the
>     kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
>     into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
>     everybody has a different view on the matter.
>     Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
>     software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
>     traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>
>     Any help is appreciated.
>
>     Bert
>     _______________________________________________
>     Tllts mailing list
>     Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
>     http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
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From jonathan at findyourfans.com  Tue Mar 22 12:27:04 2011
From: jonathan at findyourfans.com (Jonathan Rogers)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:27:04 -0700
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D88CB87.3090609@vankets.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D88CB87.3090609@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <4D88CDD8.8090205@findyourfans.com>

Bert Van Kets wrote:
> That sure looks like a good contender. :-D
> Thanks!
> I'll have to implement the daemon on the local machine as there is no
> network server available.
> It means I need to set the proxy location for FireFox to localhost. I'll
> see if I can find a FireFox addon that protects the proxy settings. If
> the user changes the proxy settings, you can filter all you want, but
> there's no data going though the filter.

Yes, you may want to set up iptable rules as well to make sure only the 
filtering proxy can make connections to TCP port 80. Firestarter might 
be a good tool for that.

<URL:http://www.fs-security.com/>

-- 
Jonathan Rogers

From mailing at vankets.com  Tue Mar 22 12:31:43 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:31:43 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimds5tU7G2gLY4Da-FLhBWqR4oENxw+gTVcPZ72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
	<AANLkTimds5tU7G2gLY4Da-FLhBWqR4oENxw+gTVcPZ72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D88CEEF.4090804@vankets.com>

Most of the time the parents have an old machine laying around and want
to donate it to the kids because I can put some educational software on
it. There's no server involved and I generally don't even have to ask if
they are interested in more control by installing a server. They don't
understand the need and certainly don't want an extra machine in the
house. They don't have that machine either.

I just want to get kids on the computer in a productive, educational
manner. Most parents only know the shoot-them-up type of games on the
net and don't want their five year old spending time on it. I have
introduced my little girls (3 and 5) to the computer from the age 2 and
clearly see the benefits. Of course they are guided and only have access
to educational stuff. They love it and I'm a happy dad.

Other parents are very interested when they see the results, but an old
computer is all I can get in most situations.

On 22/03/2011 16:55, Jared Bangs wrote:
>
> Are you talking only software installed on the local workstation, or a
> network / server based solution? If the latter is an option,
> Dansguardian works pretty well for dynamic content based filtering (as
> opposed to a list of known "bad" sites). You can even get super-strict
> and deny everything that's not on a white list of allowed sites. The
> good thing about doing it this way (network/server based) is you can
> configure it as a transparent proxy and configure your network to make
> sure that all web traffic goes through it or it doesn't get out at all.
>
> Some of those kids can be pretty tricky little hackers :-) which is a
> good thing in a way, but with stuff like this it can keep you on your
> toes making sure you've got something they can't get around.
>
> On Mar 22, 2011 8:26 AM, "Bert Van Kets" <mailing at vankets.com
> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers for kids
> > between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly GCompris. Both
> > parents and kids love it.
> > I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox so the
> > kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
> > into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
> > everybody has a different view on the matter.
> > Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
> > software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
> > traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
> >
> > Any help is appreciated.
> >
> > Bert
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tllts mailing list
> > Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
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From mhanson at hx4.com  Tue Mar 22 12:53:40 2011
From: mhanson at hx4.com (Michael Hanson)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:53:40 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't remember what Linc recommended but OpenDNS is pretty good for that.
On Mar 22, 2011 11:40 AM, "Art Vanderhoff" <artv61 at gmail.com> wrote:
> you might want to look at dansguardian.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com>
wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers for kids
>> between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly GCompris. Both
>> parents and kids love it.
>> I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox so the
>> kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
>> into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
>> everybody has a different view on the matter.
>> Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
>> software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
>> traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
>> Bert
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tllts mailing list
>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>
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From mailing at vankets.com  Tue Mar 22 17:43:19 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:43:19 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikmhYwUnZS5AhD--xvpjpdsuj4MEzVb9NgQY+LG@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikmhYwUnZS5AhD--xvpjpdsuj4MEzVb9NgQY+LG@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8917F7.10701@vankets.com>

Indeed, but I'd rather keep it free.

On 22/03/2011 17:53, Michael Hanson wrote:
>
> I don't remember what Linc recommended but OpenDNS is pretty good for
> that.
>
> On Mar 22, 2011 11:40 AM, "Art Vanderhoff" <artv61 at gmail.com
> <mailto:artv61 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > you might want to look at dansguardian.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com
> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers for
> kids
> >> between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly GCompris.
> Both
> >> parents and kids love it.
> >> I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox
> so the
> >> kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
> >> into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
> >> everybody has a different view on the matter.
> >> Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
> >> software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
> >> traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
> >>
> >> Any help is appreciated.
> >>
> >> Bert
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tllts mailing list
> >> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
> >>
>
>
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From jonathan at findyourfans.com  Tue Mar 22 17:50:50 2011
From: jonathan at findyourfans.com (Jonathan Rogers)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:50:50 -0700
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D8917F7.10701@vankets.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikmhYwUnZS5AhD--xvpjpdsuj4MEzVb9NgQY+LG@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D8917F7.10701@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <4D8919BA.6090804@findyourfans.com>

Bert Van Kets wrote:
> Indeed, but I'd rather keep it free.
>
> On 22/03/2011 17:53, Michael Hanson wrote:
>>
>> I don't remember what Linc recommended but OpenDNS is pretty good for
>> that.

OpenDNS is a service, not software. Do you mean free of cost or free of 
ads?  I've used it free of cost and it works pretty well. AFAIK, you 
only ever see ads if a name lookup fails or is blocked. Of course, any 
blocks in OpenDNS can be easily circumvented by using alternate name 
servers, such as the ones provided by the ISP.

-- 
Jonathan Rogers

From mailing at vankets.com  Tue Mar 22 18:11:31 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:11:31 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D8919BA.6090804@findyourfans.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTikmhYwUnZS5AhD--xvpjpdsuj4MEzVb9NgQY+LG@mail.gmail.com>	<4D8917F7.10701@vankets.com>
	<4D8919BA.6090804@findyourfans.com>
Message-ID: <4D891E93.1@vankets.com>

Sorry, but as we are talking about very young kids and picky parents,
I'd rather have a regular filter than an add based service. I want to
set the bar as low as possible to get the parents to allow the kids
behind the computer and learn stuff. OpenDNS is great and I have tried
it, but IMHO not the best solution for my project.

I told my 5 year old daughter today that I'll teach her to work with a
computer and not with a particular system (aka Windows and MS Office).
She understood what I was talking about about and said "Thank you
daddy". I was touched. I want to give this advantage to other kids as well.
I also got the confirmation form a third grade kindergarten teacher that
she will include GCompris in the curriculum this year. I'm sure I can
get other teachers on board if I can offer a child safe and secure
system to the school.


On 22/03/2011 22:50, Jonathan Rogers wrote:
> Bert Van Kets wrote:
>> Indeed, but I'd rather keep it free.
>>
>> On 22/03/2011 17:53, Michael Hanson wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't remember what Linc recommended but OpenDNS is pretty good for
>>> that.
>
> OpenDNS is a service, not software. Do you mean free of cost or free
> of ads?  I've used it free of cost and it works pretty well. AFAIK,
> you only ever see ads if a name lookup fails or is blocked. Of course,
> any blocks in OpenDNS can be easily circumvented by using alternate
> name servers, such as the ones provided by the ISP.
>

From jonathan at findyourfans.com  Tue Mar 22 19:46:46 2011
From: jonathan at findyourfans.com (Jonathan Rogers)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:46:46 -0700
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D891E93.1@vankets.com>
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	<4D891E93.1@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <4D8934E6.8080302@findyourfans.com>

Bert Van Kets wrote:
> Sorry, but as we are talking about very young kids and picky parents,
> I'd rather have a regular filter than an add based service. I want to
> set the bar as low as possible to get the parents to allow the kids
> behind the computer and learn stuff. OpenDNS is great and I have tried
> it, but IMHO not the best solution for my project.

I certainly understand preferring to not use an ad-based service and 
having maximum control. If the parents are very picky, the best approach 
may be a white list, as others have already suggested. Others have 
suggested DansGuardian. Privoxy might also be a good option, especially 
if you want to eliminate ads and maximize privacy.

<URL:http://www.privoxy.org/>

>
> I told my 5 year old daughter today that I'll teach her to work with a
> computer and not with a particular system (aka Windows and MS Office).
> She understood what I was talking about about and said "Thank you
> daddy". I was touched. I want to give this advantage to other kids as well.
> I also got the confirmation form a third grade kindergarten teacher that
> she will include GCompris in the curriculum this year. I'm sure I can
> get other teachers on board if I can offer a child safe and secure
> system to the school.

You're certainly right about that. Far too many people seem to have 
"computer" training of some sort that was nothing more than a particular 
application or small set of them.

-- 
Jonathan Rogers

From nitroflow at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 20:43:18 2011
From: nitroflow at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9nio_Manuel_Lopes_Fernandes?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:43:18 +0000
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <4D894226.7080800@gmail.com>

You might want to look at ProCon Latte Firefox extension.
http://procon.mozdev.org/

On 22-03-2011 15:26, Bert Van Kets wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers for kids
> between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly GCompris. Both
> parents and kids love it.
> I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox so the
> kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
> into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
> everybody has a different view on the matter.
> Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
> software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
> traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Bert
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts


From nitroflow at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 20:46:21 2011
From: nitroflow at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9nio_Manuel_Lopes_Fernandes?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 00:46:21 +0000
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8942DD.3050807@gmail.com>

You might want to look at ProCon Latte Firefox extension.
http://procon.mozdev.org/

On 22-03-2011 15:40, Art Vanderhoff wrote:
> you might want to look at dansguardian.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com 
> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers
>     for kids
>     between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly
>     GCompris. Both
>     parents and kids love it.
>     I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox
>     so the
>     kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
>     into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
>     everybody has a different view on the matter.
>     Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
>     software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
>     traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>
>     Any help is appreciated.
>
>     Bert
>     _______________________________________________
>     Tllts mailing list
>     Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
>     http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts

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From mailing at vankets.com  Wed Mar 23 04:23:52 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:23:52 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D8942DD.3050807@gmail.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D8942DD.3050807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D89AE18.3060401@vankets.com>

That seems like a good plan B if I can't get DansGuardian implemented
transparently and securely.
It also might be a good plugin if performance issues arise.

Thanks all of you guys. The TLLTS community is SUPER!

I'm planning to do a writeup of the complete installation of the "Kids
Computer". I hope to be able to convince some people to give at a go and
get in touch with Linux and FLOSS.
This will include
- Installing EasyPeasy 1.6 on a hard drive, USB stick or next to Windows.
- Setting the needed language (Dutch where I'm living)
- Adding GCompris, TuxPaint, GnuCap (needed by GCompris) and Palapeli
- Optionally setting some styling
- Optionally adding TimeKpr (limit the use of the computer by user)
- Optionally adding parental control

I chose EasyPeasy because it's very lightweight and uses the old Ubuntu
Netbook Remix interface with the large icons. It runs fine on regular
desktops too.

Bert

MS: In life without walls ... windows crash.

On 23/03/2011 01:46, ?nio Manuel Lopes Fernandes wrote:
> You might want to look at ProCon Latte Firefox extension.
> http://procon.mozdev.org/
>
> On 22-03-2011 15:40, Art Vanderhoff wrote:
>> you might want to look at dansguardian.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com
>> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers
>>     for kids
>>     between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly
>>     GCompris. Both
>>     parents and kids love it.
>>     I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox
>>     so the
>>     kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to go
>>     into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm sure
>>     everybody has a different view on the matter.
>>     Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
>>     software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
>>     traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>>
>>     Any help is appreciated.
>>
>>     Bert
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Tllts mailing list
>>     Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
>>     http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tllts mailing list
>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
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From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Wed Mar 23 11:51:32 2011
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann at thelinuxlink.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:51:32 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <4D89AE18.3060401@vankets.com>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>
	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D8942DD.3050807@gmail.com> <4D89AE18.3060401@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <0d82367f160cbd97afd883ec1e7bf02a.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>

You should also schedule a date to come on TLLTS and talk about your
project.  I am sure there are many listeners who would be interested.

Don't fear gorkon, he bark is worse than his bite and we have a stick we
beat him with if he gets out of control.

> That seems like a good plan B if I can't get DansGuardian implemented
> transparently and securely.
> It also might be a good plugin if performance issues arise.
>
> Thanks all of you guys. The TLLTS community is SUPER!
>
> I'm planning to do a writeup of the complete installation of the "Kids
> Computer". I hope to be able to convince some people to give at a go and
> get in touch with Linux and FLOSS.
> This will include
> - Installing EasyPeasy 1.6 on a hard drive, USB stick or next to Windows.
> - Setting the needed language (Dutch where I'm living)
> - Adding GCompris, TuxPaint, GnuCap (needed by GCompris) and Palapeli
> - Optionally setting some styling
> - Optionally adding TimeKpr (limit the use of the computer by user)
> - Optionally adding parental control
>
> I chose EasyPeasy because it's very lightweight and uses the old Ubuntu
> Netbook Remix interface with the large icons. It runs fine on regular
> desktops too.
>
> Bert
>
> MS: In life without walls ... windows crash.
>
> On 23/03/2011 01:46, ?nio Manuel Lopes Fernandes wrote:
>> You might want to look at ProCon Latte Firefox extension.
>> http://procon.mozdev.org/
>>
>> On 22-03-2011 15:40, Art Vanderhoff wrote:
>>> you might want to look at dansguardian.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com
>>> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers
>>>     for kids
>>>     between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly
>>>     GCompris. Both
>>>     parents and kids love it.
>>>     I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox
>>>     so the
>>>     kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to
>>> go
>>>     into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm
>>> sure
>>>     everybody has a different view on the matter.
>>>     Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
>>>     software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
>>>     traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>>>
>>>     Any help is appreciated.
>>>
>>>     Bert
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Tllts mailing list
>>>     Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
>>>     http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tllts mailing list
>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tllts mailing list
>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>


------------
Daniel S. Washko
The Linux Link Tech Show
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy


From linc at lincgeek.org  Wed Mar 23 15:43:41 2011
From: linc at lincgeek.org (linc)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:43:41 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Oh shit
Message-ID: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>

Dear Bluehost Customer,

Bluehost has completed construction on our new data center expansion, 
complete with advanced temperature control, custom server racks and 
dozens of improvements designed to help us provide you with higher 
quality service.  We will be moving all customer servers into the new 
center over the next few weeks.

This expansion allows us to continue to manage all hardware alongside 
our Technical Support team and System Administrators, here in Provo, 
Utah.  Our experience has shown that hands-on control over all aspects 
of your hosting is the best method of ensuring excellence.

The Bluehost System Administrators will physically move your server 
(containing the hosting account: tllts.org) into the new data center 
between 9 PM, March 23rd and 5 AM March 24th (MDT), during low traffic 
periods.  We will work to ensure you experience as little downtime as 
possible and, to that end, we will take the opportunity to perform any 
needed hardware maintenance or upgrades.  We expect the process to take 
1 to 3 hours.

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...

From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Wed Mar 23 15:40:42 2011
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann at thelinuxlink.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Oh shit
In-Reply-To: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
References: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
Message-ID: <c95ba05542fbe156c7b35c27e7d7f735.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>

Yes!  What ever happened to doing this stuff on a weekend?


> Dear Bluehost Customer,
>
> Bluehost has completed construction on our new data center expansion,
> complete with advanced temperature control, custom server racks and
> dozens of improvements designed to help us provide you with higher
> quality service.  We will be moving all customer servers into the new
> center over the next few weeks.
>
> This expansion allows us to continue to manage all hardware alongside
> our Technical Support team and System Administrators, here in Provo,
> Utah.  Our experience has shown that hands-on control over all aspects
> of your hosting is the best method of ensuring excellence.
>
> The Bluehost System Administrators will physically move your server
> (containing the hosting account: tllts.org) into the new data center
> between 9 PM, March 23rd and 5 AM March 24th (MDT), during low traffic
> periods.  We will work to ensure you experience as little downtime as
> possible and, to that end, we will take the opportunity to perform any
> needed hardware maintenance or upgrades.  We expect the process to take
> 1 to 3 hours.
>
> --
> -Linc Fessenden
>
> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>


------------
Daniel S. Washko
The Linux Link Tech Show
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy


From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Wed Mar 23 15:40:42 2011
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann at thelinuxlink.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Oh shit
In-Reply-To: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
References: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
Message-ID: <c95ba05542fbe156c7b35c27e7d7f735.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>

Yes!  What ever happened to doing this stuff on a weekend?


> Dear Bluehost Customer,
>
> Bluehost has completed construction on our new data center expansion,
> complete with advanced temperature control, custom server racks and
> dozens of improvements designed to help us provide you with higher
> quality service.  We will be moving all customer servers into the new
> center over the next few weeks.
>
> This expansion allows us to continue to manage all hardware alongside
> our Technical Support team and System Administrators, here in Provo,
> Utah.  Our experience has shown that hands-on control over all aspects
> of your hosting is the best method of ensuring excellence.
>
> The Bluehost System Administrators will physically move your server
> (containing the hosting account: tllts.org) into the new data center
> between 9 PM, March 23rd and 5 AM March 24th (MDT), during low traffic
> periods.  We will work to ensure you experience as little downtime as
> possible and, to that end, we will take the opportunity to perform any
> needed hardware maintenance or upgrades.  We expect the process to take
> 1 to 3 hours.
>
> --
> -Linc Fessenden
>
> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>


------------
Daniel S. Washko
The Linux Link Tech Show
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy


From russ at thetechiegeek.com  Wed Mar 23 15:47:02 2011
From: russ at thetechiegeek.com (Russ Wenner)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:47:02 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Oh shit
In-Reply-To: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
References: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=8h8bw7SMxxq02XdgHAoF-RvkX6_rFebvMTbAO@mail.gmail.com>

> The Bluehost System Administrators will physically move your server (containing the hosting account: tllts.org) into the new data center between 9 PM, March 23rd > and 5 AM March 24th (MDT), during low traffic periods. ?We will work to ensure you experience as little downtime as possible and, to that end, we will take the

Just in time for tonight's show LOL
--
Russ

From billycrook at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 16:34:03 2011
From: billycrook at gmail.com (Billy Crook)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:34:03 -0500
Subject: [Tllts] Oh shit
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=8h8bw7SMxxq02XdgHAoF-RvkX6_rFebvMTbAO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
	<AANLkTi=8h8bw7SMxxq02XdgHAoF-RvkX6_rFebvMTbAO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0UFNVfUf3G9yzm86Xvauft7bfiNeyitKQq=_r@mail.gmail.com>

You should invite their support staff to be a guest on the show, RIGHT
NOW.... so that they are busy doing some internet radio show and not
moving your server.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 14:47, Russ Wenner <russ at thetechiegeek.com> wrote:
>> The Bluehost System Administrators will physically move your server (containing the hosting account: tllts.org) into the new data center between 9 PM, March 23rd > and 5 AM March 24th (MDT), during low traffic periods. ?We will work to ensure you experience as little downtime as possible and, to that end, we will take the
>
> Just in time for tonight's show LOL
> --
> Russ
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>

From linc at lincgeek.org  Wed Mar 23 17:58:27 2011
From: linc at lincgeek.org (Lincoln Fessenden)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:58:27 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Oh shit
In-Reply-To: <c95ba05542fbe156c7b35c27e7d7f735.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
	<c95ba05542fbe156c7b35c27e7d7f735.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D8A6D03.5090008@lincgeek.org>

On 3/23/11 3:40 PM, dann at thelinuxlink.net wrote:
> Yes!  What ever happened to doing this stuff on a weekend?
>
>
>> Dear Bluehost Customer,
>>
>> Bluehost has completed construction on our new data center expansion,
>> complete with advanced temperature control, custom server racks and
>> dozens of improvements designed to help us provide you with higher
>> quality service.  We will be moving all customer servers into the new
>> center over the next few weeks.
>>
>> This expansion allows us to continue to manage all hardware alongside
>> our Technical Support team and System Administrators, here in Provo,
>> Utah.  Our experience has shown that hands-on control over all aspects
>> of your hosting is the best method of ensuring excellence.
>>
>> The Bluehost System Administrators will physically move your server
>> (containing the hosting account: tllts.org) into the new data center
>> between 9 PM, March 23rd and 5 AM March 24th (MDT), during low traffic
>> periods.  We will work to ensure you experience as little downtime as
>> possible and, to that end, we will take the opportunity to perform any
>> needed hardware maintenance or upgrades.  We expect the process to take
>> 1 to 3 hours.
>>
>> --
>> -Linc Fessenden
>>
>> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tllts mailing list
>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>
>
>
> ------------
> Daniel S. Washko
> The Linux Link Tech Show
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts

Obviously they need a better sysadmin.

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...


From billycrook at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 21:19:25 2011
From: billycrook at gmail.com (Billy Crook)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:19:25 -0500
Subject: [Tllts] Oh shit
In-Reply-To: <4D8A6D03.5090008@lincgeek.org>
References: <4D8A4D6D.2030503@lincgeek.org>
	<c95ba05542fbe156c7b35c27e7d7f735.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
	<4D8A6D03.5090008@lincgeek.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OEyVkFajcWh-kf8dYkch9W=T_9rU86tgD9=Wq@mail.gmail.com>

The last time one of our colo's fucked up, I was in the datacenter
before their own staff, whose cubicles were just down the hall.

When they showed up, I asked them what their number was so, you know,
I could call and let them know when their colo is off the internet.

While I was waiting for an ETA of service recovery, myself and a few
other minions were filling up our trunks with servers we were pulling
from their colo to install at a competitor.

Turns out.  They were never loadbalanced.  The only connectivity they
were using thought they asked to cancel service, and casually
disconnected them.  Their other provider, either never existed, or
they never tested it.  Immaculate fail.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 16:58, Lincoln Fessenden <linc at lincgeek.org> wrote:
> On 3/23/11 3:40 PM, dann at thelinuxlink.net wrote:
>>
>> Yes! ?What ever happened to doing this stuff on a weekend?
>>
>>
>>> Dear Bluehost Customer,
>>>
>>> Bluehost has completed construction on our new data center expansion,
>>> complete with advanced temperature control, custom server racks and
>>> dozens of improvements designed to help us provide you with higher
>>> quality service. ?We will be moving all customer servers into the new
>>> center over the next few weeks.
>>>
>>> This expansion allows us to continue to manage all hardware alongside
>>> our Technical Support team and System Administrators, here in Provo,
>>> Utah. ?Our experience has shown that hands-on control over all aspects
>>> of your hosting is the best method of ensuring excellence.
>>>
>>> The Bluehost System Administrators will physically move your server
>>> (containing the hosting account: tllts.org) into the new data center
>>> between 9 PM, March 23rd and 5 AM March 24th (MDT), during low traffic
>>> periods. ?We will work to ensure you experience as little downtime as
>>> possible and, to that end, we will take the opportunity to perform any
>>> needed hardware maintenance or upgrades. ?We expect the process to take
>>> 1 to 3 hours.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Linc Fessenden
>>>
>>> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tllts mailing list
>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------
>> Daniel S. Washko
>> The Linux Link Tech Show
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
>> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tllts mailing list
>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>
> Obviously they need a better sysadmin.
>
> --
> -Linc Fessenden
>
> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>

From mailing at vankets.com  Thu Mar 24 06:04:20 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:04:20 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <0d82367f160cbd97afd883ec1e7bf02a.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>	<4D8942DD.3050807@gmail.com>
	<4D89AE18.3060401@vankets.com>
	<0d82367f160cbd97afd883ec1e7bf02a.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D8B1724.4000500@vankets.com>

I heard that Gorkon doesn't bite indeed, he just licks.

On 23/03/2011 16:51, dann at thelinuxlink.net wrote:
> You should also schedule a date to come on TLLTS and talk about your
> project.  I am sure there are many listeners who would be interested.
>
> Don't fear gorkon, he bark is worse than his bite and we have a stick we
> beat him with if he gets out of control.
>
>> That seems like a good plan B if I can't get DansGuardian implemented
>> transparently and securely.
>> It also might be a good plugin if performance issues arise.
>>
>> Thanks all of you guys. The TLLTS community is SUPER!
>>
>> I'm planning to do a writeup of the complete installation of the "Kids
>> Computer". I hope to be able to convince some people to give at a go and
>> get in touch with Linux and FLOSS.
>> This will include
>> - Installing EasyPeasy 1.6 on a hard drive, USB stick or next to Windows.
>> - Setting the needed language (Dutch where I'm living)
>> - Adding GCompris, TuxPaint, GnuCap (needed by GCompris) and Palapeli
>> - Optionally setting some styling
>> - Optionally adding TimeKpr (limit the use of the computer by user)
>> - Optionally adding parental control
>>
>> I chose EasyPeasy because it's very lightweight and uses the old Ubuntu
>> Netbook Remix interface with the large icons. It runs fine on regular
>> desktops too.
>>
>> Bert
>>
>> MS: In life without walls ... windows crash.
>>
>> On 23/03/2011 01:46, ?nio Manuel Lopes Fernandes wrote:
>>> You might want to look at ProCon Latte Firefox extension.
>>> http://procon.mozdev.org/
>>>
>>> On 22-03-2011 15:40, Art Vanderhoff wrote:
>>>> you might want to look at dansguardian.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com
>>>> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>     I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers
>>>>     for kids
>>>>     between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly
>>>>     GCompris. Both
>>>>     parents and kids love it.
>>>>     I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox
>>>>     so the
>>>>     kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to
>>>> go
>>>>     into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm
>>>> sure
>>>>     everybody has a different view on the matter.
>>>>     Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
>>>>     software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
>>>>     traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>>>>
>>>>     Any help is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>     Bert
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     Tllts mailing list
>>>>     Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
>>>>     http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Tllts mailing list
>>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tllts mailing list
>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>
>
> ------------
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> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
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From mailing at vankets.com  Thu Mar 24 05:47:10 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:47:10 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Parental control
In-Reply-To: <0d82367f160cbd97afd883ec1e7bf02a.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4D88BF89.9020901@vankets.com>	<AANLkTikzgFiBmuqJtRHG1R8ze-wuOUr7U6BfEYyasBje@mail.gmail.com>	<4D8942DD.3050807@gmail.com>
	<4D89AE18.3060401@vankets.com>
	<0d82367f160cbd97afd883ec1e7bf02a.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4D8B131E.3050707@vankets.com>

Thanks for the invite. :-D

Let me get the instruction page online first. That way I have something
to refer to and the interested people can get hacking immediately.

I'll let you guys know when the page is online for a review. I should
have some time this weekend to do some screencasts.

Bert

On 23/03/2011 16:51, dann at thelinuxlink.net wrote:
> You should also schedule a date to come on TLLTS and talk about your
> project.  I am sure there are many listeners who would be interested.
>
> Don't fear gorkon, he bark is worse than his bite and we have a stick we
> beat him with if he gets out of control.
>
>> That seems like a good plan B if I can't get DansGuardian implemented
>> transparently and securely.
>> It also might be a good plugin if performance issues arise.
>>
>> Thanks all of you guys. The TLLTS community is SUPER!
>>
>> I'm planning to do a writeup of the complete installation of the "Kids
>> Computer". I hope to be able to convince some people to give at a go and
>> get in touch with Linux and FLOSS.
>> This will include
>> - Installing EasyPeasy 1.6 on a hard drive, USB stick or next to Windows.
>> - Setting the needed language (Dutch where I'm living)
>> - Adding GCompris, TuxPaint, GnuCap (needed by GCompris) and Palapeli
>> - Optionally setting some styling
>> - Optionally adding TimeKpr (limit the use of the computer by user)
>> - Optionally adding parental control
>>
>> I chose EasyPeasy because it's very lightweight and uses the old Ubuntu
>> Netbook Remix interface with the large icons. It runs fine on regular
>> desktops too.
>>
>> Bert
>>
>> MS: In life without walls ... windows crash.
>>
>> On 23/03/2011 01:46, ?nio Manuel Lopes Fernandes wrote:
>>> You might want to look at ProCon Latte Firefox extension.
>>> http://procon.mozdev.org/
>>>
>>> On 22-03-2011 15:40, Art Vanderhoff wrote:
>>>> you might want to look at dansguardian.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com
>>>> <mailto:mailing at vankets.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>     I have a project running where I put EasyPeasy on old computers
>>>>     for kids
>>>>     between 3 and 12. I add some educational software, mainly
>>>>     GCompris. Both
>>>>     parents and kids love it.
>>>>     I've had the question recently to add parental control on FireFox
>>>>     so the
>>>>     kids can not easily get to "inappropriate" sites. I do not wish to
>>>> go
>>>>     into discussion whether it's good or bad to add the control. I'm
>>>> sure
>>>>     everybody has a different view on the matter.
>>>>     Do any of you have advise on the matter? I know Linc talked about
>>>>     software that worked like a service and filtered all the http(s)
>>>>     traffic. I can't find the name of this app.
>>>>
>>>>     Any help is appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>     Bert
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     Tllts mailing list
>>>>     Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net <mailto:Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net>
>>>>     http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Tllts mailing list
>>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tllts mailing list
>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tllts mailing list
>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>
>
> ------------
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> The Linux Link Tech Show
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
>
> _______________________________________________
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From billycrook at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 11:26:17 2011
From: billycrook at gmail.com (Billy Crook)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:26:17 -0500
Subject: [Tllts] Linux Admin Episode
Message-ID: <AANLkTikoHhOsj-bb6yQ+RepqUsP7e9DB_z=B+F1TgbVW@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the advice about changing port numbers. ?My web servers
used to get attacked around the clock, because attackers knew what
port to look on (80). ?I've moved each of our production webservers to
random, high ports, and since then, I've not seen a single attack.
Super!

oh.... ?wait....

Maybe a more mature response to being attacked would be something like
fail2ban, or tuning logwatch, or configuring sshd to accept only
keybased, passwordlesss logons, and not log password attempts.

I use fail2ban, with great success. ?I wrote filters that match every
scanner I've seen, and I wrote a custom restart-fail2ban script that
preserves the shitlist of banned hosts. ?I've collected over 5000 at
this time, and plan to aggregate each machine's list somehow and push
updates to all of them.

I was going to just bitch, but I thouht I might instead take the time
to share my scripts in case any of you might benefit from them.

etc-fail2ban.tbz2 is my fail2ban config. ?currently protecting sshd
and httpd. ?Please change out my email address for your own if you use
it.
fail2ban-eternal-shitlist is a list of the 437 hosts that have been
automatically, eternally banned for probing my server
rfb is the script that restarts fail2ban, preserving its blocklist.

logdmesg runs in cron, daily, to archive dmesg for a given day.
Otherwise it's lost forever, being a ring buffer

freshclamscan updates clamav's definitions and does a scan. ?It used
to update clamav's package automatically but doesn't need to anymore
(read on). ?It compresses and saves each scan's
results, and emails any problems it found to root.

delayedupdater downloads (but does not install) every new package. ?It
emails root about them, and waits 7 (configurable) days for each
update, then installs it automatically.

Oh, and that obnoxious backup script I was trolling the IRC with last
night, is at?https://bcrook.com/backup? While it isn't a compiled,
proprietary binary from a fortune 500 company that spends more time
accepting payments than documentation and QA, it does happen to, you
know, back up servers.

These are all for EL5, but should work on other, sane, distributions
that follow LSB.
Oh yeah, and good episode Linc! ?Thanks for the info.
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From linc at lincgeek.org  Thu Mar 24 11:59:07 2011
From: linc at lincgeek.org (linc)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] Linux Admin Episode
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikoHhOsj-bb6yQ+RepqUsP7e9DB_z=B+F1TgbVW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikoHhOsj-bb6yQ+RepqUsP7e9DB_z=B+F1TgbVW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D8B6A4B.6040407@lincgeek.org>

On 03/24/2011 11:26 AM, Billy Crook wrote:
> Thanks for the advice about changing port numbers.  My web servers
> used to get attacked around the clock, because attackers knew what
> port to look on (80).  I've moved each of our production webservers to
> random, high ports, and since then, I've not seen a single attack.
> Super!
>
> oh....  wait....
>
> Maybe a more mature response to being attacked would be something like
> fail2ban, or tuning logwatch, or configuring sshd to accept only
> keybased, passwordlesss logons, and not log password attempts.
>
> I use fail2ban, with great success.  I wrote filters that match every
> scanner I've seen, and I wrote a custom restart-fail2ban script that
> preserves the shitlist of banned hosts.  I've collected over 5000 at
> this time, and plan to aggregate each machine's list somehow and push
> updates to all of them.
>
> I was going to just bitch, but I thouht I might instead take the time
> to share my scripts in case any of you might benefit from them.
>
> etc-fail2ban.tbz2 is my fail2ban config.  currently protecting sshd
> and httpd.  Please change out my email address for your own if you use
> it.
> fail2ban-eternal-shitlist is a list of the 437 hosts that have been
> automatically, eternally banned for probing my server
> rfb is the script that restarts fail2ban, preserving its blocklist.
>
> logdmesg runs in cron, daily, to archive dmesg for a given day.
> Otherwise it's lost forever, being a ring buffer
>
> freshclamscan updates clamav's definitions and does a scan.  It used
> to update clamav's package automatically but doesn't need to anymore
> (read on).  It compresses and saves each scan's
> results, and emails any problems it found to root.
>
> delayedupdater downloads (but does not install) every new package.  It
> emails root about them, and waits 7 (configurable) days for each
> update, then installs it automatically.
>
> Oh, and that obnoxious backup script I was trolling the IRC with last
> night, is at https://bcrook.com/backup  While it isn't a compiled,
> proprietary binary from a fortune 500 company that spends more time
> accepting payments than documentation and QA, it does happen to, you
> know, back up servers.
>
> These are all for EL5, but should work on other, sane, distributions
> that follow LSB.
> Oh yeah, and good episode Linc!  Thanks for the info.

Fail2ban is great software.  You can use active mode on OSSEC as well, 
which detects those and bans for 10 mins through iptables.  More than 
enough time to discourage script kiddies.  I used to use portsentry long 
ago too.  As far as bitching and being snarky about moving ssh to a 
nonstandard port, you can, of course, do things however you want.  I was 
simply commenting on my years of experience and also agreeing with every 
"securing ssh best practice" I have ever seen.  If you listened to what 
I actually said, I said that moving to a nonstandard port doesn't really 
secure ssh, it just helps limit the eternal and inevitable script kiddie 
bandwidth suck as they try and force their way in.
Thanks for listening to the show and for the comments Billy!

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...

From mailing at vankets.com  Fri Mar 25 04:48:45 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] UTC time
Message-ID: <4D8C56ED.2000809@vankets.com>

Linc,

in the company I work for we have all our servers set to UTC.
The reason is simple: we have over 100 computers worldwide doing tests
in sync (telco quality tests - all the machines call each other up all
day long). All test results need to be matched and aggregated and that
can only be done by using one reference time, hence the UTC.

So here's one situation where you could use UTC on a server: You have a
distributed system spanning different timezones. It allows your data to
be transportable regardless of local time.

Bert

From mailing at vankets.com  Fri Mar 25 05:53:19 2011
From: mailing at vankets.com (Bert Van Kets)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:53:19 +0100
Subject: [Tllts] Asterisk protocol
Message-ID: <4D8C660F.9070206@vankets.com>

What protocol are you guys using on your Asterisk server?
I get real bad sound with a standard install using version 1.6.18

Thanks

Bert

From billycrook at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 07:37:51 2011
From: billycrook at gmail.com (Billy Crook)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Tllts] UTC time
In-Reply-To: <4D8C56ED.2000809@vankets.com>
References: <4D8C56ED.2000809@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYEOe7M=_Y8HEAQ8SoRSiyNqqN1UPZaXHn215R@mail.gmail.com>

Unix is always aware of UTC.  The kernel's clock ticks in UTC
regardless of what your bios is storing, or what y our /etc/localtime
is pointing to.

Linc was talking about using your BIOS to store local time.  I don't
do this.  I store UTC in my BIOS.  I do this because I believe simpler
is better, and translating it back and forth one less time is better.

Keeping UTC time in the BIOS is also a traditional thing to do in
serious UNIX systems.  Being a long established tradition doesn't
actually mean much though.  You should think about and decide based on
facts, not just follow tradition mindlessly.  So here's the facts.

You would NOT want to do this if you dual booted with a less
intelligent OS, like windows, which cannot store UTC in BIOS.

BIOSes generally are not aware of timezones, or daylight savings time.
 They simply keep time on one simple clock.  That's what UTC *IS*.
Local timezones have funny rules that BIOSes will never support.
Those silly rules require software updates.  I'm not updating my bios
for something this trivial.  (For example, when some president opens
his mouth about changing DST rules.)  The tzdata package tells your OS
how to translate UTC into every localtime, and is distributed and
updated periodically without rebooting.  That's another good reason to
use your BIOS for UTC.

BIOS clock is also used in logging that the kernel can't control.  If
your server supports modern IPMI with logging, or the BIOS has HW
event logs, or your raid card, those logs will be in BIOS time.  If
BIOS time changes, say, during a DST switchover, log entries there
will have a gap or overlap.  Do you think that hokey BIOS software is
written to handle that overlap, gracefully?  (I wouldn't count on it.)

Then there's the logic question, of which localtime to use.  You see,
the choice isn't between localtime and UTC.  It's between keeping
actual time, or keeping some deviation of time.  And then if you want
some deviation in your bios, you have to pick which deviation.  Which
time zone is correct?  If the system is used by more than just
yourself, none of them are, so you should abstain from it in the BIOS,
and use UTC.

This kind of reminds me of cult superstitions.  Throughout human
history, warring factions of superstitious cults have competed for
mind share among people to describe the origin of life, the universe,
and everything.  They've used that mind share to organize great
amounts of money, and oppress the rights and freedoms of their own
members and other people.  And they do it in the name of
righteousness! lol!  They're all sure they're right, and everyone else
is wrong.  That's how I knew they were all wrong.

LocalTime is religion.  The system should be agnostic.  /etc/localtime
specifies the default.  Users can choose an alternate with export
TZ="PDT" in their .bash_profile.  There are people in this world who
would push their religion into every crevice they can find, thinking
they're on a righteous mission.  Who would like to replace reality
with their religion.  And it isn't always immediately obvious how
wrong that is.  I try not to be to grandeos as a sysadmin.

Software that spans timezones should deal in UTC itself, but that
doesn't have anything to do with the BIOS or /etc/localtime.  The date
command can fairly easily perform date-math, and convert timezones to
UTC and back.

Do you think it is appropriate to change your BIOS clock twice a year?
 If you do, then choose localtime during your OS install.  If you
don't, choose UTC.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 03:48, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com> wrote:
> Linc,
>
> in the company I work for we have all our servers set to UTC.
> The reason is simple: we have over 100 computers worldwide doing tests
> in sync (telco quality tests - all the machines call each other up all
> day long). All test results need to be matched and aggregated and that
> can only be done by using one reference time, hence the UTC.
>
> So here's one situation where you could use UTC on a server: You have a
> distributed system spanning different timezones. It allows your data to
> be transportable regardless of local time.
>
> Bert

From james.middendorff at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 07:50:22 2011
From: james.middendorff at gmail.com (James Middendorff)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:50:22 -0500
Subject: [Tllts] Asterisk protocol
In-Reply-To: <4D8C660F.9070206@vankets.com>
References: <4D8C660F.9070206@vankets.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimcmmQdrgSm8YH2g3VHG7QBv4c+nRF818xW79Bb@mail.gmail.com>

I use ulaw for everything. What kind of horrible sound are you using? What
is your setup? I do remember issues a year or two ago with a version of gcc
that caused some sound issues,(it made everything sound garbled and "tinny")
You had to go to make menuselect in asterisk source and arrow down to
comoiler flags, then check "Dont Optimize", and then compile it. There are
many variables when it comes to VoIP. It is never a plug and play solution.
You have to think of your network, codecs, transcoding, equipment.....So in
order to help I need to know what you are running asterisk on, is it vanilla
asterisk, or trixbox or something like that? Are you using an actual phone,
or softphone. If a softphone is it over wifi? How are you actually getting
the bad sound? Is it bad when you call people or is it bad when you listen
to voicemail prompts? Is your box doing conferencing as well?
riddlebox -

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Bert Van Kets <mailing at vankets.com> wrote:

> What protocol are you guys using on your Asterisk server?
> I get real bad sound with a standard install using version 1.6.18
>
> Thanks
>
> Bert
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
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From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Fri Mar 25 08:43:21 2011
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann at thelinuxlink.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:43:21 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
Message-ID: <185aaf8b2052f238e724a0b292a2dbec.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>

Is it just me or is the "official" twitter android app very confusing? 
I'm trying to reply to a tweet sent to me and when I fill in the
information there is no send or finished button.  I've no idea what to do
next!?  The only thing I have found to do is to press then menu key which
shows home and when I press that it asks me whether I want to save the
item so I do.  Now I have no idea whether it sent or not.

What a piece of crap!


------------
Daniel S. Washko
The Linux Link Tech Show
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy


From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Fri Mar 25 13:42:53 2011
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann at thelinuxlink.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:42:53 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
In-Reply-To: <185aaf8b2052f238e724a0b292a2dbec.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
References: <185aaf8b2052f238e724a0b292a2dbec.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <07b7bf142ec5bc91b99b2a228932a672.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>


Oh I get it now, you hit the tweet icon in the upper right corner because
that follows the same pattern of all the other applications I uses on a
regular basis.  Yeah, that's it.

> Is it just me or is the "official" twitter android app very confusing?
> I'm trying to reply to a tweet sent to me and when I fill in the
> information there is no send or finished button.  I've no idea what to do
> next!?  The only thing I have found to do is to press then menu key which
> shows home and when I press that it asks me whether I want to save the
> item so I do.  Now I have no idea whether it sent or not.
>
> What a piece of crap!
>
>


------------
Daniel S. Washko
The Linux Link Tech Show
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy


From rfquerin at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 15:04:27 2011
From: rfquerin at gmail.com (Richard Querin)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:04:27 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
In-Reply-To: <07b7bf142ec5bc91b99b2a228932a672.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
References: <185aaf8b2052f238e724a0b292a2dbec.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
	<07b7bf142ec5bc91b99b2a228932a672.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik9FMCS9YuAKXMY1cDAc1KRErh64p=wVXU35cxR@mail.gmail.com>

Personally I find both the official twitter and the official
status.net(identica) apps confusing. I don't use them often enough to
have organized
my complaints tho.. ;) I tend to try and use the websites for both of them
whenever possible.

ps. I'm playing Yankee this week down in Myrtle Beach right now.. just
pigged out at a Ryans buffet for lunch. Gonna sleep now I think. :)  Would
so love to be down here when SELF was on. Gotta talk to Mr. Yates about
moving it to March. :D

RQ


On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:42 PM, <dann at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:

>
> Oh I get it now, you hit the tweet icon in the upper right corner because
> that follows the same pattern of all the other applications I uses on a
> regular basis.  Yeah, that's it.
>
> > Is it just me or is the "official" twitter android app very confusing?
> > I'm trying to reply to a tweet sent to me and when I fill in the
> > information there is no send or finished button.  I've no idea what to do
> > next!?  The only thing I have found to do is to press then menu key which
> > shows home and when I press that it asks me whether I want to save the
> > item so I do.  Now I have no idea whether it sent or not.
> >
> > What a piece of crap!
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------
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From dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com  Fri Mar 25 16:25:51 2011
From: dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com (dave yates)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:25:51 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
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So what is this best identi.ca app?
On Mar 25, 2011 3:04 PM, "Richard Querin" <rfquerin at gmail.com> wrote:
> Personally I find both the official twitter and the official
> status.net(identica) apps confusing. I don't use them often enough to
> have organized
> my complaints tho.. ;) I tend to try and use the websites for both of them
> whenever possible.
>
> ps. I'm playing Yankee this week down in Myrtle Beach right now.. just
> pigged out at a Ryans buffet for lunch. Gonna sleep now I think. :) Would
> so love to be down here when SELF was on. Gotta talk to Mr. Yates about
> moving it to March. :D
>
> RQ
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:42 PM, <dann at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh I get it now, you hit the tweet icon in the upper right corner because
>> that follows the same pattern of all the other applications I uses on a
>> regular basis. Yeah, that's it.
>>
>> > Is it just me or is the "official" twitter android app very confusing?
>> > I'm trying to reply to a tweet sent to me and when I fill in the
>> > information there is no send or finished button. I've no idea what to
do
>> > next!? The only thing I have found to do is to press then menu key
which
>> > shows home and when I press that it asks me whether I want to save the
>> > item so I do. Now I have no idea whether it sent or not.
>> >
>> > What a piece of crap!
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ------------
>> Daniel S. Washko
>> The Linux Link Tech Show
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
>> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
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From dann at thelinuxlink.net  Fri Mar 25 16:55:49 2011
From: dann at thelinuxlink.net (dann at thelinuxlink.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:55:49 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
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I think it is Mustard.


> So what is this best identi.ca app?
> On Mar 25, 2011 3:04 PM, "Richard Querin" <rfquerin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Personally I find both the official twitter and the official
>> status.net(identica) apps confusing. I don't use them often enough to
>> have organized
>> my complaints tho.. ;) I tend to try and use the websites for both of
>> them
>> whenever possible.
>>
>> ps. I'm playing Yankee this week down in Myrtle Beach right now.. just
>> pigged out at a Ryans buffet for lunch. Gonna sleep now I think. :)
>> Would
>> so love to be down here when SELF was on. Gotta talk to Mr. Yates about
>> moving it to March. :D
>>
>> RQ
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:42 PM, <dann at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Oh I get it now, you hit the tweet icon in the upper right corner
>>> because
>>> that follows the same pattern of all the other applications I uses on a
>>> regular basis. Yeah, that's it.
>>>
>>> > Is it just me or is the "official" twitter android app very
>>> confusing?
>>> > I'm trying to reply to a tweet sent to me and when I fill in the
>>> > information there is no send or finished button. I've no idea what to
> do
>>> > next!? The only thing I have found to do is to press then menu key
> which
>>> > shows home and when I press that it asks me whether I want to save
>>> the
>>> > item so I do. Now I have no idea whether it sent or not.
>>> >
>>> > What a piece of crap!
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------
>>> Daniel S. Washko
>>> The Linux Link Tech Show
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
>>> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Tllts mailing list
>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> Tllts mailing list
> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>


------------
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The Linux Link Tech Show
http://www.thelinuxlink.net
get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy


From dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com  Fri Mar 25 17:12:31 2011
From: dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com (dave yates)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:12:31 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
In-Reply-To: <0e8fc623507311a0ef4eb912743be74f.squirrel@www.thelinuxlink.net>
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That's what I thought. I was wondering if any of the Twitter clients
supported identifiable.ca
On Mar 25, 2011 5:05 PM, <dann at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:
> I think it is Mustard.
>
>
>> So what is this best identi.ca app?
>> On Mar 25, 2011 3:04 PM, "Richard Querin" <rfquerin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Personally I find both the official twitter and the official
>>> status.net(identica) apps confusing. I don't use them often enough to
>>> have organized
>>> my complaints tho.. ;) I tend to try and use the websites for both of
>>> them
>>> whenever possible.
>>>
>>> ps. I'm playing Yankee this week down in Myrtle Beach right now.. just
>>> pigged out at a Ryans buffet for lunch. Gonna sleep now I think. :)
>>> Would
>>> so love to be down here when SELF was on. Gotta talk to Mr. Yates about
>>> moving it to March. :D
>>>
>>> RQ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:42 PM, <dann at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh I get it now, you hit the tweet icon in the upper right corner
>>>> because
>>>> that follows the same pattern of all the other applications I uses on a
>>>> regular basis. Yeah, that's it.
>>>>
>>>> > Is it just me or is the "official" twitter android app very
>>>> confusing?
>>>> > I'm trying to reply to a tweet sent to me and when I fill in the
>>>> > information there is no send or finished button. I've no idea what to
>> do
>>>> > next!? The only thing I have found to do is to press then menu key
>> which
>>>> > shows home and when I press that it asks me whether I want to save
>>>> the
>>>> > item so I do. Now I have no idea whether it sent or not.
>>>> >
>>>> > What a piece of crap!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------
>>>> Daniel S. Washko
>>>> The Linux Link Tech Show
>>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
>>>> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Tllts mailing list
>>>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tllts mailing list
>> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>>
>
>
> ------------
> Daniel S. Washko
> The Linux Link Tech Show
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net
> get slack (http://www.slackware.com) and get happy
>
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From murph at murph.info  Fri Mar 25 18:00:24 2011
From: murph at murph.info (murph)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:00:24 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:25 PM, dave yates <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com>wrote:

> So what is this best identi.ca app?
>

I use Mustard, and it's great.


-- 
Team Amiga  New Jersey - The less that I speak, the smarter I sound.

<http://identi.ca/murph>
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From jefrat at jeffratliff.org  Mon Mar 28 18:06:51 2011
From: jefrat at jeffratliff.org (Jeff Ratliff)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:06:51 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
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I use Mustard, but it's the only one I've tried. Seems to work OK, but I
rarely look at Identi.ca on my phone.

On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 16:25 -0400, dave yates wrote:
> So what is this best identi.ca app?
> 




From dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com  Mon Mar 28 19:30:59 2011
From: dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com (dave yates)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:30:59 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
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I just installed seesmic today--directions for setup with identi.ca
here: http://todoleo-tech.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-set-up-identica-on-seesmic-for.html

seesmic is nice. much more responsive than mustard.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Jeff Ratliff <jefrat at jeffratliff.org> wrote:
> I use Mustard, but it's the only one I've tried. Seems to work OK, but I
> rarely look at Identi.ca on my phone.
>
> On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 16:25 -0400, dave yates wrote:
>> So what is this best identi.ca app?
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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From rfquerin at gmail.com  Mon Mar 28 20:18:03 2011
From: rfquerin at gmail.com (Richard Querin)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:18:03 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-F_1zG71D2EQuVHFqyvuFnDNHt__B8VA7Rphm@mail.gmail.com>

On 2011-03-28 7:31 PM, "dave yates" <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com> wrote:
>
> I just installed seesmic today--directions for setup with identi.ca
> here:
http://todoleo-tech.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-set-up-identica-on-seesmic-for.html
>
> seesmic is nice. much more responsive than mustard.

I forgot about seesmic. Problem is that it doesn't seem to give me an
'advanced' option on the ' add new twitter account' screen. What version are
you using? Mine is 1.6.

RQ

>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Jeff Ratliff <jefrat at jeffratliff.org>
wrote:
> > I use Mustard, but it's the only one I've tried. Seems to work OK, but I
> > rarely look at Identi.ca on my phone.
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 16:25 -0400, dave yates wrote:
> >> So what is this best identi.ca app?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tllts mailing list
> > Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
> >
>
>
>
> --
> dave yates
> lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast
> http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
> The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org
> SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
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From dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com  Mon Mar 28 20:22:45 2011
From: dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com (dave yates)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:22:45 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
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References: <AANLkTik-F_1zG71D2EQuVHFqyvuFnDNHt__B8VA7Rphm@mail.gmail.com>
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I am using 1.6 as well. Following the directions in the link worked for me.
On Mar 28, 2011 8:18 PM, "Richard Querin" <rfquerin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2011-03-28 7:31 PM, "dave yates" <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just installed seesmic today--directions for setup with identi.ca
>> here:
>
http://todoleo-tech.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-set-up-identica-on-seesmic-for.html
>>
>> seesmic is nice. much more responsive than mustard.
>
> I forgot about seesmic. Problem is that it doesn't seem to give me an
> 'advanced' option on the ' add new twitter account' screen. What version
are
> you using? Mine is 1.6.
>
> RQ
>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Jeff Ratliff <jefrat at jeffratliff.org>
> wrote:
>> > I use Mustard, but it's the only one I've tried. Seems to work OK, but
I
>> > rarely look at Identi.ca on my phone.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 16:25 -0400, dave yates wrote:
>> >> So what is this best identi.ca app?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Tllts mailing list
>> > Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
>> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> dave yates
>> lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast
>> http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
>> The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org
>> SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
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From rfquerin at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 10:11:28 2011
From: rfquerin at gmail.com (Richard Querin)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:11:28 -0400
Subject: [Tllts] twitter android app
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:22 PM, dave yates <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com>wrote:

> I am using 1.6 as well. Following the directions in the link worked for me.
>
Ahh. Found the problem. Stupid me. There is a separate button for "Twitter
Proxy" and one for "Twitter" (I think this arrived in newer versions of
Seesmic I guess). The first is the one you need to choose, not the second.
This will then give the input field for the REST API server.

This definitely seems to work better/faster than either Mustard or the
StatusNet official app.

RQ






>  On Mar 28, 2011 8:18 PM, "Richard Querin" <rfquerin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2011-03-28 7:31 PM, "dave yates" <dsyates at lottalinuxlinks.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just installed seesmic today--directions for setup with identi.ca
> >> here:
> >
> http://todoleo-tech.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-set-up-identica-on-seesmic-for.html
> >>
> >> seesmic is nice. much more responsive than mustard.
> >
> > I forgot about seesmic. Problem is that it doesn't seem to give me an
> > 'advanced' option on the ' add new twitter account' screen. What version
> are
> > you using? Mine is 1.6.
> >
> > RQ
> >
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Jeff Ratliff <jefrat at jeffratliff.org>
> > wrote:
> >> > I use Mustard, but it's the only one I've tried. Seems to work OK, but
> I
> >> > rarely look at Identi.ca on my phone.
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 16:25 -0400, dave yates wrote:
> >> >> So what is this best identi.ca app?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Tllts mailing list
> >> > Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> >> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> dave yates
> >> lottalinuxlinks.com linux user podcast
> >> http://lottalinuxlinks.com/podcast/ogg.html
> >> The Linux Link Tech Show http://tllts.org
> >> SouthEast LinuxFest http://southeastlinuxfest.org
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Tllts mailing list
> >> Tllts at www.thelinuxlink.net
> >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/tllts
>
> _______________________________________________
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