[Lvlug] Re: Once again MS is waaaaay off target

[jhigdon at linuxfools.org]

On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 01:20:27PM -0400, Dann S. Washko wrote:
> jhigdon at linuxfools.org wrote:
> >On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 01:08:59PM -0400, jhigdon at linuxfools.org wrote:
> >
> >>>God knows I hate MS too, but this isn't to bad of an idea because you 
> >>>can chose not to send it.   Mozilla Firefox has this  feature as well.  
> >>
> >>How do you know you have that choice yet? Have they released how the 
> >>"blackbox" will function? 
> >
> >Ahh replying to my reply
> >I just read the article so ignore some of my nonsense ;)
> >
> >"For consumers, the choice of whether to send the data, and how much
> >information to share, will be up to the individual."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Personally, if they are going to go through the media attention that 
> >>will bring by adding this feature, why allow the user to select 
> >>"Don't Send". I bet at least 90% of people given the choice 
> >>will rather not send then send. Or not even know what it means.
> >>Don't forget a majority of computer users think that if they delete the
> >>giant E icon they've "deleted" the intarweb.
> >>
> 
> But 90% of the people, given the choice, would probably not realize they 
> have this choice and just go with the defaults.  If the message came up, 
> like it does when firefox goes down, to send the information most would 
> probably be confused and just press enter or ok
Hmm, good point. I think I will ask around some firefox windows users to
see what they have done in the past. I'm rather curious to find out now.

>.  I would not put it 
> past MS to have the first time pop up with a box already checked that 
> remembers this value for future instances and thus no longer prompt.
Hehe, well such functionality would probably be the best way to handle
it. If I want to always send, I'd rather not have to click SEND each
time. But then again..it really shouldn't happen  all that often
anyways..so maybe not.

>Or 
> maybe they forego the box altogether and have it set this way by default 
> and to change it you have to seek out the settings.
hide n seek! I love that feature in most interfaces ;)

> 
> I think more to the point, since MS is closed, there is no way to 
> actually verify whether the choices you make will matter at all.  How do 
> we know that because we say no they are not sending the information 
> anyway?  I guess sniffing the line might do the job, but who knows.
Guess that depends if they use a secure connection or not. Secure..in
the same sentence, ok its safe to assume we can sniff it.

>I 
> hear that sniffing ms machines will produces results that MS is sending 
> out information when certain applications are started (like office). 
Things I've heard, this seems to be very true, though I haven't tried
for myself yet.

>I 
> guess it comes down to trust and MS has a deficit in that department.
> 
very very true.

> >>But since that is my opinion, maybe we can take a poll here on the list.
> >>I for one would click Don't Send, partially because it's not my problem 
> >>to help them debug their software if I pay good money for something that
> >>should "just work" (popular phrase these days). And because 
> >>when something like that crashes, I'm either too lazy, or too
> >>impatient to get back to what I was doing.
> >>
> >>2cent USD :)
> >>
> 
> Again, I think this comes down to perception.  I will gladly send error 
> reports back to firefox or thunderbird.  I do this for apple too.  
You good citizen you! :) I guess what I should have said was "lets try
to come up with some numbers giving us some proof". Maybe people on the
list could help us come up with some answers, I'll ask around and keep
track.

>But 
> Dreamweaver, I've stopped doing this since apparently my repeated error 
> in the same location has not produced any results.  Furthermore, I could 
> care less about the development of Dreamweaver anymore.  NVU, on the 
> otherhand, I will gladly take the time to send debugging information.
> 
I must be just that damn lazy. I always get these things when I am playing world
of warcraft ;) Pops up after my game tanks and says blah blah error
error please send. *me clicks don't send* back to wow yay~
Maybe I press enter too though, I'll have to keep an eye out for which
it defaults to.