From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Sun Jan  1 04:39:26 2012
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 01:39:26 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Happy New Year!!
Message-ID: <4F0029CE.3030807@lavabit.com>

Hope you all are having a nice, quiet New Years celebration at home, 
grateful to our God and Savior for yet another day to live for Him, 
another year to give in His service.

.. and if you're not at home, well, I'm at work, what's your story? :P

Happy New Year, everyone!
-Eddy


From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Sun Jan  1 10:54:05 2012
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Happy New Year!!
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For us in L4C, shouldn't that be Happy GNU year?

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Eddy Martin <hpp3 at lavabit.com> wrote:

> Hope you all are having a nice, quiet New Years celebration at home,
> grateful to our God and Savior for yet another day to live for Him, another
> year to give in His service.
>
> .. and if you're not at home, well, I'm at work, what's your story? :P
>
> Happy New Year, everyone!
> -Eddy
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Sun Jan  1 17:07:52 2012
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (hpp3 at lavabit.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:07:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Happy New Year!!
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HA!!
Got me on that one :D

Happy GNU year!!

> For us in L4C, shouldn't that be Happy GNU year?
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Eddy Martin <hpp3 at lavabit.com> wrote:
>
>> Hope you all are having a nice, quiet New Years celebration at home,
>> grateful to our God and Savior for yet another day to live for Him,
>> another
>> year to give in His service.
>>
>> .. and if you're not at home, well, I'm at work, what's your story? :P
>>
>> Happy New Year, everyone!
>> -Eddy
>>
>>
>
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sun Jan  1 22:12:06 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Monday - Galatians 2
Message-ID: <4F012086.10106@bibleseven.com>


    Monday


      Galatians 2


Confirmation from the Jerusalem Apostles

2:1 Then after fourteen years I went up to Jerusalem again with 
Barnabas, taking Titus along too. 2:2 I went there because of a 
revelation and presented to them the gospel that I preach among the 
Gentiles. But I did so only in a private meeting with the influential 
people, to make sure that I was not running -- or had not run -- in 
vain. 2:3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be 
circumcised, although he was a Greek. 2:4 Now this matter arose because 
of the false brothers with false pretenses who slipped in unnoticed to 
spy on our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, to make us slaves. 2:5 
But we did not surrender to them even for a moment, in order that the 
truth of the gospel would remain with you.

2:6 But from those who were influential (whatever they were makes no 
difference to me; God shows no favoritism between people) -- those 
influential leaders added nothing to my message. 2:7 On the contrary, 
when they saw that I was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised 
just as Peter was to the circumcised 2:8 (for he who empowered Peter for 
his apostleship to the circumcised also empowered me for my apostleship 
to the Gentiles) 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who had a 
reputation as pillars, recognized the grace that had been given to me, 
they gave to Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that 
we would go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 2:10 They 
requested only that we remember the poor, the very thing I also was 
eager to do.

Paul Rebukes Peter

2:11 But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because 
he had clearly done wrong.

2:12 Until certain people came from James, he had been eating with the 
Gentiles. But when they arrived, he stopped doing this and separated 
himself because he was afraid of those who were pro-circumcision. 2:13 
And the rest of the Jews also joined with him in this hypocrisy, so that 
even Barnabas was led astray with them by their hypocrisy.

2:14 But when I saw that they were not behaving consistently with the 
truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, "If you, 
although you are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can 
you try to force the Gentiles to live like Jews?"

Jews and Gentiles are Justified by Faith

2:15 We are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners, 2:16 yet we know that 
no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of 
Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we 
may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of 
the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

2:17 But if while seeking to be justified in Christ we ourselves have 
also been found to be sinners, is Christ then one who encourages sin? 
Absolutely not!

2:18 But if I build up again those things I once destroyed, I 
demonstrate that I am one who breaks God's law.

2:19 For through the law I died to the law so that I may live to God.

2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I who live, 
but Christ lives in me. So the life I now live in the body, I live 
because of the faithfulness of the Son of God, who loved me and gave 
himself for me.

2:21 I do not set aside God's grace, because if righteousness could come 
through the law, then Christ died for nothing!



      Prayer


Lord, You came in the form of the humankind - which You created and who 
rebelled against You in the Garden -- in order to provide a way to 
reconciliation and restoration. May I remember that Your grace is 
offered to everyone who will repent and surrender, without regard to 
age, gender, national origin, race, or social status.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul reported that after fourteen years of ministry he traveled to 
Jerusalem to deal with a threat from the "Judaisers" who were attempting 
to impose pre-Christian Jewish rituals upon Christians.

He observed that once the leaders there understood that he had been 
called to the non-Jews by the very same God Who had called Peter to the 
Jews they became supportive.


Paul later found it necessary to rebuke Peter in front of the other 
leaders for drifting into the camp of the Judaisers out of fear and the 
influence of James.


Paul instructed them all that one is justified in Christ alone, to add 
anything whatsoever to that is to question the faithfulness of Christ 
and makes one guilty again before the law.


Paul wrote /"I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I 
who /live, but Christ lives in me. So the life I now live in the body, I 
live because of the faithfulness of the Son of God, Who loved me and 
gave Himself for me. I do not set aside God's grace, because if 
righteousness could come through the law, then Christ died for nothing!"



      Interaction


        Consider

Peter suffered a chronic weakness, the fear of fellow man, which caused 
him to make bad choices as a leader. This was in contrast to the 
consistent strength of Paul who was steadfast in obedience to Christ no 
matter the cost.


        Discuss

What are some attitudes, habits, and traditions in your fellowship that 
distract members from focus on Christ, or even worse, that directly 
contradict Biblical teaching? Who is promoting them and why are the 
leaders not intervening effectively?



        Reflect

What do Paul's words "I have been crucified with Christ ..." mean to you?


        Share

When have you had the experience that your growth in Christ was blocked 
or slowed by non-Biblical attitudes, habits, and/or traditions in a 
family or fellowship? Once you were set free from those distractions how 
did the Holy Spirit bless you with growth?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to your a place where you are distracted 
or deceived into wrong thinking due to non-Biblical attitudes, habits, 
and/or traditions.


        Action:

Today I will repent of any part I have had in tolerating those 
distractions and/or deceptions and if I cannot cause a change I will 
seek a more Biblically-faithful fellowship.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Tuesday's text will be:


      Galatians 3:1-22



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Mon Jan  2 22:31:45 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 22:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Tuesday Galatians 3:1-22
Message-ID: <4F0276A1.2060108@bibleseven.com>


    Tuesday


      Galatians 3:1-22


Justification by Law or by Faith?

3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes 
Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified!

3:2 The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the 
Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard?

3:3 Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now 
trying to finish by human effort? 3:4 Have you suffered so many things 
for nothing? -- if indeed it was for nothing.

3:5 Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by 
your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?

3:6 Just as Abraham /*believed God*//, //*and it was credited to him as 
righteousness*/, 3:7 so then, understand that those who believe are the 
sons of Abraham.

3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by 
faith, proclaimed the gospel to Abraham ahead of time, saying, "/*All 
the nations*/ /*will be blessed in you*/."

3:9 So then those who believe are blessed along with Abraham the believer.

3:10 For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, 
because it is written, "/*Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing 
everything written in the book of the law*//./"

3:11 Now it is clear no one is justified before God by the law, because 
/*the righteous one will live by faith*/.

3:12 But the law is not based on faith, but /*the one who does*/ the 
works of the law /*will live by them*/.

3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse 
for us (because it is written, "/*Cursed is everyone who hangs on a 
tree*/") 3:14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham 
would come to the Gentiles, so that we could receive the promise of the 
Spirit by faith.

Inheritance Comes from Promises and not Law

3:15 Brothers and sisters, I offer an example from everyday life: When a 
covenant has been ratified, even though it is only a human contract, no 
one can set it aside or add anything to it.

3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his descendant. 
Scripture does not say, "and to the descendants," referring to many, but 
"/*and to your descendant*/," referring to one, who is Christ.

3:17 What I am saying is this: The law that came four hundred thirty 
years later does not cancel a covenant previously ratified by God, so as 
to invalidate the promise. 3:18 For if the inheritance is based on the 
law, it is no longer based on the promise, but God graciously gave it to 
Abraham through the promise.

3:19 Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, 
until the arrival of the descendant to whom the promise had been made. 
It was administered through angels by an intermediary.

3:20 Now an intermediary is not for one party alone, but God is one.

3:21 Is the law therefore opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely 
not! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, then 
righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

3:22 But the scripture imprisoned everything and everyone under sin so 
that the promise could be given -- because of the faithfulness of Jesus 
Christ -- to those who believe.



      Prayer


Lord, You promised Adam and Eve a redeemer, and you promised the same to 
Abraham. You gave the law as a step to Your Redeemer, a convicting-tool, 
as You kept Your promise to Adam and Eve and Abraham.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul chastised the Galatians further, challenging them to answer if they 
had received the Holy Spirit as a result of the law or grace.


He continued his challenge, asking "... you began with the Spirit, are 
you now trying to finish by human effort?"


Paul reminded them everyone who fails to complete every letter of the 
law without a single failure is condemned by the law, but Abraham was 
blessed because he believed, therefore all who believe are co-heirs to 
the blessing promised the "sons of Abraham".


He reinforced his point by reminding them that "Christ redeemed us from 
the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (because it is written 
"Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree").


Paul gave them a history lesson, noting that the law came 430 years 
after God's promise and did not apply to the One [the promise specified 
a singular descendant -- because He would keep it perfectly as the 
God-Man] and Who would thereby have the right to claim the promise on 
behalf of those who would believe, repent, and surrender.


He did note that the purpose of the law was to separate arrogant and 
rebellious people from any notion that they could earn their salvation 
nor that they possessed any special standing before the Lord God that 
could empower them to bypass His unyielding qualifications for entry 
into Heaven.


[Note: It was for relationship that the Lord God created mankind and 
while it was a "law" that Adam and Eve violated - the consequence was a 
breach of relationship due to their failure to "believe" the Lord God 
over the lies of the Serpent. Therefore, felicity to the law could not 
be sufficient to restore the broken relationship; only a genuine-belief 
that includes absolute surrender to the Lordship of Christ is necessary, 
which is what Jesus provided via the Cross, resurrection and ascension.]



      Interaction


        Consider

The purpose of the law and the folly of those who, because of fear and 
tradition, who tried to reinstate it after Jesus had granted them the 
grace of their salvation. [Could this be what was intended by 
"Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and/or "another gospel?"]


        Discuss

Humankind has a long pattern of attempting to arrogantly declare parity 
with the Lord God, that was at the heart of the serpent's deception in 
the Garden, it was the sin of the builders of the Tower of Babel, it was 
in the rebellion against Moses by the Israelites, and it was the sin of 
the religious leaders in Jesus' time. Setting up "works" to earn 
salvation was a scheme to pretend to declare himself worthy though mere 
human effort.



        Reflect

The Lord God's longing has been to restore a right-relationship with His 
creation. One Lord God, one Redeemer, one path to salvation.


        Share

When have you experienced a circumstance where someone in a fellowship 
attempted to impose a human "law" upon believers saved by grace. What 
was the result?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to search my attitudes and habits for any evidence 
that I am living as though my salvation depends upon anything other than 
belief in and submission to Jesus.


        Action:

Today I will ask a fellow believer to pray in agreement with me for 
complete repentance and to walk with me through reconciliation to a 
purely Biblical faith walk.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Wednesday's text will be:


      Galatians 3:23 -- 4:7



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Jan  2 23:34:06 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:34:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Bug in openSuSE 11.4 & 12.1 and maybe some other
	distros.
Message-ID: <4F02853E.40805@lightlink.com>

If you are using KDE on openSuSE (maybe another distro. like KUbuntu) 
and have a problem with the screen blanking after about 10 mins. of 
non-use, then you have been bitten by a bug that no one knows the cause 
of, or isn't admitting to what it is......yet. There is a temp. fix, for 
now, or at least it does work for me.

 From command line, su to root, then run the command: xset s noblank -dpms

You MAY have to run it more than once to have it work but it works for 
me. Note: I've turned OFF ALL power management and yet I still had this 
problem, so you can try that, and you probably should anyway, but you'll 
still likely end up running this command.

Fred

-- 
Liberal ideology and political correctness, infused with
public policy, begets social insanity. - Michael Savage

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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Tue Jan  3 19:42:01 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] =?windows-1252?q?B7_-_Wednesday_-_Galatians_3?=
	=?windows-1252?q?=3A23_=96_4=3A7?=
Message-ID: <4F03A059.4070009@bibleseven.com>


    Wednesday


      Galatians 3:23 ? 4:7


Sons of God Are Heirs of Promise

3:23 Now before faith came we were held in custody under the law, being 
kept as prisoners until the coming faith would be revealed.

3:24 Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could 
be declared righteous by faith.

3:25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

3:26 For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.

3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed 
yourselves with Christ.

3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, 
there is neither male nor female ? for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham?s descendants, 
heirs according to the promise.

4:1 Now I mean that the heir, as long as he is a minor, is no different 
from a slave, though he is the owner of everything. 4:2 But he is under 
guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 4:3 So also we, 
when we were minors, were enslaved under the basic forces of the world.

4:4 But when the appropriate time had come, God sent out his Son, born 
of a woman, born under the law, 4:5 to redeem those who were under the 
law, so that we may be adopted as sons with full rights.

4:6 And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our 
hearts, who calls ?/Abba!/ Father!?

4:7 So you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son, then 
you are also an heir through God.



      Prayer


Lord, You provided the 'container' of the Law to show us that we were 
dependent upon You and how we must live so that we could be in 
right-relationship with You, but Jesus the Christ came and brought us 
saving-grace and we are no longer law-keeping works-righteousness people 
but children of grace who obey in loving gratefulness. May my heart be 
continually-reminded that everything that has value comes from You and 
is a gift to me for which my right-choices are my thanks to You.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul concluded Chapter 3 with a reiteration of the obliteration of 
worldly boundaries among believers "There is neither Jew or Greek, there 
is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female--for all of 
you are one in Christ Jesus."


In the first seven verses of Chapter 4 Paul used the illustration of a 
minor child or a slave under the authority of another to describe 
God-sensitive people prior to their opportunity for salvation - they 
awaited the Lord God's determination of the perfect time for Jesus to come.


He then concluded that we become "sons" into whom God sent "the Spirit 
of his Son into our hearts" so that we became "heirs through God".



      Interaction


        Consider

Paul's teaching that the Lord God watches over those who have hearts 
sensitive toward Him, hearts that respond to truth.


        Discuss

How is your life different from what it was prior to salvation? What it 
was that the Lord God touched in you to prompt your acceptance of His 
lordship and your surrender of everything else?


        Reflect

God's multiple repetitions through Jesus, Paul, and others of His 
obliteration of boundaries between Jews and non-Jews, slaves and free 
men, males and females as applies to His family of believers.


        Share

What does it mean to you to be considered a "son" [or "child"] or God?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you a specific person who has been 
considering-Christ and whose heart He has prepared to repent of their 
sin, reject the things of this world, and to accept the Lordship of Christ.


        Action:

Today I will pray earnestly for the one whom the Holy Spirit has 
identified, they will take the final step to eternity in perfection with 
God, and if-appropriate that He will allow me to be His instrument in 
leading them through a clear commitment and some of their early steps of 
discipleship (baptism, learning, participation).


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Thursday's text will be:


      Galatians 4:8-31



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Wed Jan  4 20:21:19 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 20:21:19 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Thursday - Galatians 4:8-31
Message-ID: <4F04FB0F.9060304@bibleseven.com>


    Thursday


      Galatians 4:8-31


Heirs of Promise Are Not to Return to Law

4:8 Formerly when you did not know God, you were enslaved to beings that 
by nature are not gods at all.

4:9 But now that you have come to know God (or rather to be known by 
God), how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless basic 
forces? Do you want to be enslaved to them all over again?

4:10 You are observing religious days and months and seasons and years. 
4:11 I fear for you that my work for you may have been in vain. 4:12 I 
beg you, brothers and sisters, become like me, because I have become 
like you. You have done me no wrong!

Personal Appeal of Paul

4:13 But you know it was because of a physical illness that I first 
proclaimed the gospel to you, 4:14 and though my physical condition put 
you to the test, you did not despise or reject me. Instead, you welcomed 
me as though I were an angel of God, as though I were Christ Jesus himself!

4:15 Where then is your sense of happiness now? For I testify about you 
that if it were possible, you would have pulled out your eyes and given 
them to me!

4:16 So then, have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?

4:17 They court you eagerly, but for no good purpose; they want to 
exclude you, so that you would seek them eagerly. 4:18 However, it is 
good to be sought eagerly for a good purpose at all times, and not only 
when I am present with you.

4:19 My children -- I am again undergoing birth pains until Christ is 
formed in you! 4:20 I wish I could be with you now and change my tone of 
voice, because I am perplexed about you.

An Appeal from Allegory

4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not understand 
the law?

4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman 
and the other by the free woman. 4:23 But one, the son by the slave 
woman, was born by natural descent, while the other, the son by the free 
woman, was born through the promise.

4:24 These things may be treated as an allegory, for these women 
represent two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai bearing children for 
slavery; this is Hagar.

4:25 Now Hagar represents Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the 
present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.

4:26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 4:27 For it 
is written:

"/*Rejoice,*//**//*O*//**//*barren*//**//*woman*//**//*who*//**//*does*//**//*not*//**//*bear*//**//*children; 
*/break forth and shout, you who have no birth pains, because the 
children of the desolate woman are more numerous 
/*than*//**//*those*//**//*of*//**//*the*//**//*woman*//**//*who*//**//*has*//**//*a*//**//*husband*/."

4:28 But you, brothers and sisters, are children of the promise like Isaac.

4:29 But just as at that time the one born by natural descent persecuted 
the one born according to the Spirit, so it is now.

4:30 But what does the scripture say? 
"/*Throw*//**//*out*//**//*the*//**//*slave*//**//*woman*//**//*and*//**//*her*//**//*son*//,////*for*//**//*the*//**//*son*//**//*of*//**//*the*//**//*slave*//**//*woman*//**//*will*//**//*not*//**//*share*//**//*the*//**//*inheritance*//**//*with*//**//*the*//**//*son*/" 
of the free woman.

4:31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave 
woman but of the free woman.



      Prayer


Lord, You have made freedom from the enemy and the Law possible, and You 
have taught us all about that through Your Gospel. Only the gift of 
eternal spiritual salvation through Christ can save anyone. May I be 
faithful to Your Word and never accept anything but Your Gospel.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul warned the Galatians to not drift back into the worship of, 
therefore slavery to, powerless idols.


He reminded them that he had become a child of the Lord God the same as 
they and appealed to them to not abandon the blessings of faithfulness 
to God.

Paul reminded them that he arrived with a physical impairment but rather 
than "despise or reject" him, they instead "welcomed me as though I were 
an angel of God". [Verse 4:15b implies a vision problem.]


He noted that those who were trying to "recruit" the believers were 
doing so "for no good purpose", that he was "again undergoing birth 
pains until Christ is formed" in them, and that he was "perplexed about" 
them.


Paul concluded with an allegory from the two women who bore Abraham 
children, Hagar the slave woman, and his wife, Sarah.


He asked them to view Hagar as representing those who are enslaved to 
the world and her naturally-conceived (she was young and fertile) and 
birthed son representing those who harass believers.


He asked them to view Sarah as representing those whose "son" (or 
children) was (were) born of a miracle of God (she was elderly and not 
fertile), as a promise-kept, and as the target of the persecution of the 
God-resistant natural world.



      Interaction


        Consider

The temptation for Christians to drift back into old patterns of bad 
choices and bad thinking is not new.


        Discuss

What are some ways that believers may resist the temptation to back slide?


        Reflect

Paul's allegory is a valuable tool to help people to understand the 
fundamental gap between believers and non-believers.


        Share

When have you experienced a situation where someone entered your 
fellowship and attempted to recruit believers into a non-Biblical 
doctrine and/or lifestyle. What happened?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you a believer who needs to confessed 
to you, and Him, that they are struggling against the temptation to back 
slide in some area.


        Action:

Today I will commit to pray in agreement with that believer that they 
will allow the Holy Spirit to be their strength.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Friday's text will be:


      Galatians 5



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:32:52 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Friday Galatians 5
Message-ID: <4F066B64.5060302@bibleseven.com>


    Friday


      Galatians 5


Freedom of the Believer

5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be 
subject again to the yoke of slavery.

5:2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, 
Christ will be of no benefit to you at all! 5:3 And I testify again to 
every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey 
the whole law.

5:4 You who are trying to be declared righteous by the law have been 
alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace! 5:5 For through 
the Spirit, by faith, we wait expectantly for the hope of righteousness. 
5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision carries 
any weight -- the only thing that matters is faith working through love.

5:7 You were running well; who prevented you from obeying the truth?

5:8 This persuasion does not come from the one who calls you!

5:9 A little yeast makes the whole batch of dough rise!

5:10 I am confident in the Lord that you will accept no other view. But 
the one who is confusing you will pay the penalty, whoever he may be.

5:11 Now, brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, 
why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross 
has been removed. 5:12 I wish those agitators would go so far as to 
castrate themselves!

Practice Love

5:13 For you were called to freedom, brothers and sisters; only do not 
use your freedom as an opportunity to indulge your flesh, but through 
love serve one another.

5:14 For the whole law can be summed up in a single commandment, namely, 
"/*You*//**//*must*//**//*love*//**//*your*//**//*neighbor*//**//*as*//**//*yourself*/." 


5:15 However, if you continually bite and devour one another, beware 
that you are not consumed by one another.

5:16 But I say, live by the Spirit and you will not carry out the 
desires of the flesh.

5:17 For the flesh has desires that are opposed to the Spirit, and the 
Spirit has desires that are opposed to the flesh, for these are in 
opposition to each other, so that you cannot do what you want.

5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

5:19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, 
impurity, depravity, 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hostilities, strife, 
jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish rivalries, dissensions, factions, 
5:21 envying, murder, drunkenness, carousing, and similar things. I am 
warning you, as I had warned you before: Those who practice such things 
will not inherit the kingdom of God!

5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, 
kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 5:23 gentleness, and self-control. 
Against such things there is no law.

5:24 Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its 
passions and desires. 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also behave 
in accordance with the Spirit.

5:26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, being jealous 
of one another.



      Prayer


Lord, You have given so much to us, yet we often look everywhere but You 
for value. May I be intentional in my daily pursuit of Your approval and 
to make myself a useful instrument of Your ministry in this lost ad 
dying world.



      Summary & Commentary


"For freedom Christ has set us free." In a phrase Paul defined his plea 
to the Galatians. He then warned those who choose the legalistic path of 
the Judaisers that their choice created an obligation on their part to 
keep the whole law and to live apart from the blessings of Christ.

Paul challenged them to recognize that those who had been trying to lead 
them away from the freedom of grace and back to the slavery of the law 
were agitators and were not sent from God.

He was so angry that he declared that those calling for the legalistic 
requirement of circumcision for new believers, especially applied to 
Gentiles, should castrate themselves [Paul was being sarcastic, since 
castration would have been a physiological amplification of 
circumcision, therefore should be what they should do as a 
works-righteousness gesture].

Paul calls upon the Galatians to turn instead toward loving one another 
and reminded them "... to live by the Spirit and you will not carry out 
the desires of the flesh."

[Note: The Bible elsewhere states that it is impossible for one to have 
the Holy Spirit and to not show "the fruit of the Spirit."]

He declared that "... the works of the flesh are obvious"


* sexual immorality

* impurity

* depravity

* idolatry

* sorcery

* hostilities

* strife

* jealousy

* outbursts of anger

* selfish rivalries

* dissensions

* factions

* envying

* murder

* drunkenness

* carousing

* and similar things


He reminded them that such unrepentant sinfulness defined them prior to 
salvation and that those who continued to be so defined were obviously 
not saved and "... will not inherit the kingdom of God!"


Paul then listed for them to corollary, those things that were evidence 
of the truly-saved person, one in whom the Holy Spirit indwelt:

"... the fruit of the Spirit is ...

"love"

"joy"

peace"

"patience"

"kindness"

"goodness"

"faithfulness"

"gentleness"

"self-control"


He concluded with a warning against believers becoming "... conceited, 
provoking one another, being jealous of one another."



      Interaction


        Consider

Compare and contrast, the list of "the works of the flesh" and "the 
fruit of the Spirit".


        Discuss

What is the power that "living in love" gives to believers to resist the 
efforts of evil-doers to lead astray?


        Reflect

Why is there a problem within, or between, fellowships with believers 
becoming "... conceited, provoking one another, being jealous of one 
another"?


        Share

When have you experienced "the works of the flesh" causing you to 
struggle? How has the Holy Spirit led you instead to be a vessel of 
positive "fruit"?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to identify an item from "the works of the flesh" 
list which defines some part of your life.


        Action:

Today I will ask a fellow believer to pray in agreement with me as I 
partner with the Holy Spirit to purge "the works of the flesh" from my life.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Saturday's text:


      Galatians 6




-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
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From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:30:23 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Galatians 6
Message-ID: <4F07A02F.1040302@bibleseven.com>


    Saturday


      Galatians 6


Support One Another

6:1 Brothers and sisters, if a person is discovered in some sin, you who 
are spiritual restore such a person in a spirit of gentleness. Pay close 
attention to yourselves, so that you are not tempted too.

6:2 Carry one another's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the 
law of Christ.

6:3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives 
himself.

6:4 Let each one examine his own work. Then he can take pride in himself 
and not compare himself with someone else. 6:5 For each one will carry 
his own load.

6:6 Now the one who receives instruction in the word must share all good 
things with the one who teaches it.

6:7 Do not be deceived. God will not be made a fool. For a person will 
reap what he sows, 6:8 because the person who sows to his own flesh will 
reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will 
reap eternal life from the Spirit. 6:9 So we must not grow weary in 
doing good, for in due time we will reap, if we do not give up.

6:10 So then, whenever we have an opportunity, let us do good to all 
people, and especially to those who belong to the family of faith.

Final Instructions and Benediction

6:11 See what big letters I make as I write to you with my own hand!

6:12 Those who want to make a good showing in external matters are 
trying to force you to be circumcised. They do so only to avoid being 
persecuted for the cross of Christ.

6:13 For those who are circumcised do not obey the law themselves, but 
they want you to be circumcised so that they can boast about your flesh.

6:14 But may I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, 
through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

6:15 For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; 
the only thing that matters is a new creation! 6:16 And all who will 
behave in accordance with this rule, peace and mercy be on them, and on 
the Israel of God.

6:17 From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear the marks of 
Jesus on my body.

6:18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers 
and sisters. Amen.



      Prayer


Lord, You call us into a believing community for accountability, 
discipleship, encouragement, and support -- it is in our best interest 
in this world and for our right-relationship with You. May I invest in 
building a healthy community-relationship with fellow Biblical-Christians.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul provided the Galatians with a Biblical philosophy to manage those 
"... discovered in some sin", he provided a checklist:


* you who are spiritual

* Restore such a person

* in a spirit of gentleness

* Pay close attention to yourselves, so that you are not tempted too.

* Carry one another's burdens

* If you think that you are something when you are nothing you are deceived

* Examine your own work and take pride in yourself

* Do not compare yourself with someone else

* Each one carry his own load

Paul instructed them to "... share all good things" with the one who 
teaches [accurately] the Word of God.


He warned them that one who "... sows to his own flesh" is either 
selfish, or pretends to be a trustworthy teacher but who is more 
interested in money and prestige, therefore will be seen to only "... 
reap from the flesh".


Paul contrasted that with one who "... sows to the Spirit receives 
eternal life", then encouraged to not "grow weary" and to not "give up" 
doing good [as defined by the Bible, not man]


He included an odd parenthetical, not unique for Paul, where he observed 
that his handwriting forms "big letters". He has made reference 
elsewhere to others writing for him. [Note: One may speculate that this 
comment may either underline the prior inference of poor vision or 
suggest another ailment as a result of beatings, illnesses, or age. 
There is nothing in the text that supports any hidden spiritual meaning.]


Paul returned to his warning against the Judaisers, noting that they 
demand circumcision for new believers so that they may brag about them 
[as a salesman brags of new sales] but that while these men are 
circumsized they fail to live according to the law [so how important 
could the law be to them after all.


Paul also observed a second motive, fear of persecution from the 
majority Judaisers.


Paul proclaimed again that circumcision or uncircumcision is nothing, 
that all that matters if the "new creation".


He concluded his letter instructing them "no one cause me trouble, for I 
bear the marks of Jesus on my body", and a prayer:


"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and 
sisters. "Amen."



      Interaction


        Consider

No matter how Consider Paul's additional signposts for a false teacher; 
they are focused on money and prestige and their fruit is found in the 
flesh.


        Discuss

What are some practical implementations of Paul's checklist for dealing 
with a brother or sister in sin? What is the difference between the 
instruction to "6:2 Carry one another's burdens, and in this way you 
will fulfill the law of Christ." and "6:5 For each one will carry his 
own load." ?


        Reflect

What does Paul's admonition that we "not grown weary in doing good" mean 
to a Biblical Christian?


        Share

When have you observed an example of a leader within a fellowship who 
was more concerned about numeric growth than spiritual growth, personal 
profit or prestige, and/or pleasing men to avoid criticism or other 
threats. What was the result?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to identify an area where You are feeling weary in 
need prayer and words of encouragement and someone whom He has prepared 
to walk alongside you for a time.


        Action:

Today I will humbly allow a fellow believer to pray for and to encourage 
me from the Word and I will later share with them how it made a real 
difference.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



*Sunday's text will be:  Ephesians 1:1-2*




-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Fri Jan  6 22:23:15 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:23:15 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] The Elephant Room and planned Elephant Room 2
	sound troubling:
Message-ID: <4F07BAA3.3040705@bibleseven.com>

The Elephant Room and planned Elephant Room 2 sound troubling:

http://www.gty.org/blog/B111028

Unless local church leaders are prepared to provide guidance so that no
one is confused by the false teachers who will participate in this program,
and apparently be allowed to mislead with excuses from MacDonald, it
sounds like an open door to confusion.

How hard would it be for them to stage their own controlled-debate of
these matters?

Controlled meaning that they do not allow falsehoods to go unchallenged.

WDYT?

-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Jan  6 22:35:58 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:35:58 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: A Bible Based Truth
Message-ID: <4F07BD9E.1000507@lightlink.com>

*Genesis****47:13-27*

***RECENT  VIRGINIA****CHURCH****SERVICE-STIMULUS****SERMON****Genesis  
47:13-27***

*
**Good morning,  brothers and sisters;  it's always a delight to  see 
the pews  crowded on Sunday morning and so eager to get  into God's 
Word.  Turn with me in your Bibles, if you will, to the  47^th chapter 
of  Genesis, we'll begin our reading at verse 13 and  go through verse  
27.****Brother Ray,  would you stand and read that great passage for  
us?  ....(reading)....****Thank you for  that fine reading, Brother 
Ray... So we see  that economic hard  times fell upon Egypt and the 
people turned  to the government  of Pharaoh to deal with this for them. 
And  Pharaoh nationalized  the grain harvest and placed the grain in 
great  storehouses that he had  built. So the people brought their money 
to  Pharaoh, like a great tax  increase, and gave it all to him 
willingly in  return for grain. And this went on  until their money ran 
out and they were hungry  again.****So when they  went to Pharaoh after 
that, they brought  their livestock  -their cattle, their horses, their 
sheep, and their  donkey - to barter for  grain and verse 17 says that 
only took them  through the end of  that year..****But the famine  
wasn't over was it? So the next year the  people came before  Pharaoh 
and admitted they had nothing left  except their land and  their own 
lives. "There is nothing left in the  sight of my lord but  our bodies 
and our land. Why should we die  before your eyes,  both we and our 
land? Buy us and our land for  food and we with  our land will be 
servants to Pharaoh.." So  they surrendered  their homes, their land, 
and their real estate  to Pharaoh's  government and then sold themselves 
into  slavery to him, in  return for grain.****What can we  learn from 
this, brothers and  sisters?****That turning  to the government instead 
of to God to be our  provider in hard times  only leads to slavery? Yes. 
That the only  reason government  wants to be our provider is to also 
become our  master? Yes.****But look how  that passage ends, brothers 
and sisters! Thus  Israel settled in the  land of Egypt, in the land of 
Goshen.. And they  gained possessions in  it and were fruitful and 
multiplied greatly."  God provided for  His people, just as He always 
has! They didn't end  up giving all  their possessions to government, 
no, it says they  gained possessions!  But I also tell you a great truth 
today and an  ominous one. ****We see the  same thing happening today - 
the government  today wants to  "share the wealth" once again, to take 
it from us  and redistribute it back to us.  It wants to take control of 
healthcare, just as it  has taken control of  education, and ration it 
back to us, and when  government rations it,  then government decides 
who gets it, and how much,  and what kind. And  if we go along with it, 
and do it willingly, then  we will wind up no  differently than the 
people of Egypt did four  thousand years ago - as  slaves to the 
government and as slaves to our  leaders.****What Mr.  Obama's 
government is doing now is no different  from what Pharaoh's  government 
did then and it will end the same. And a  lot of people like to  call 
Mr. Obama a "Messiah," don't they? Is he a  Messiah?  A savior?  Didn't 
the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them  his slaves, "You have  saved 
our lives; may it please my lord, we will be  servants to 
Pharaoh"?****Well, I tell  you this - I know the  Messiah; the Messiah 
is a friend of  mine; and Mr. Obama  is no Messiah!  No, brothers and  
sisters, if Mr. Obama  is a character from the Bible, then he is  
Pharaoh.  Bow with me in  prayer, if you will...******Lord, You  alone 
are worthy to be served, and we rely on You,  and You alone. We confess 
that the government is  not our deliverer and never rightly will be. We 
read  in the eighth chapter of 1 Samuel, when Samuel  warned the people 
of what a  ruler would do, where it says "And in that day you  will cry 
out because of  your king, whom you have chosen for yourselves,  but the 
LORD will  not answer you in that day." ****And Lord, we  acknowledge 
that day has  come. We cry out to you because of the ruler that  we have 
chosen for  ourselves as a nation. Lord, we pray for this  nation. We 
pray for revival  and we pray for deliverance from those who would be  
our masters. Give us hearts to seek You and hands  to serve You and 
protect Your  people from the  atrocities of Pharaoh's  government.***

*****In God We  
Trust...**********************************************************************
**You may want  to consider sharing this with  others.***

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Jan  6 23:05:02 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 23:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] The Elephant Room and planned Elephant Room
 2 sound troubling:
In-Reply-To: <4F07BAA3.3040705@bibleseven.com>
References: <4F07BAA3.3040705@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <4F07C46E.4010304@lightlink.com>

On 01/06/2012 10:23 PM, dcolburn at bibleseven.com wrote:
> The Elephant Room and planned Elephant Room 2 sound troubling:
>
> http://www.gty.org/blog/B111028
>
> Unless local church leaders are prepared to provide guidance so that no
> one is confused by the false teachers who will participate in this program, 
>
> and apparently be allowed to mislead with excuses from MacDonald, it
> sounds like an open door to confusion.
>
> How hard would it be for them to stage their own controlled-debate of
> these matters?
>
> Controlled meaning that they do not allow falsehoods to go unchallenged. 

I doubt that would/will happen because they don't want to be challenged.

Fred

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From just_mike_y at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  6 23:23:16 2012
From: just_mike_y at yahoo.com (Michael Hart)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 22:23:16 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Galatians 6
In-Reply-To: <4F07A02F.1040302@bibleseven.com>
References: <4F07A02F.1040302@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <4F07C8B4.1030804@yahoo.com>

Re: http://mikeys-bible-notes.blogspot.com/2011/11/sowing-light.html

I have been studying Galations 6 for some time and I read Gal 6:4-10 as 
Paul's take on the Great Commission.

Except:

Verse six (in modern English) seems to be talking about paying the 
preacher, and not about sharing the word.

The Greek Verse has these words (one, teach, teach, speak, good). there 
are other modifying words like for and the, but you won't find "things" 
or {sharing commodities} in the verse when you read it literally.  When 
you look at it in context of 6:4-10, it really seems to be saying 
literally "Those who are taught, /must also/ teach the good /word". /The 
Greek "Agathos" is listed by Strongs as 'good' or 'good things', but the 
application of 'things' tied strictly to Strongs G18 appears only 2 
times vs some ~80 times meaning good as in the idea of good not evil. 
When I read the Greek, I find it pretty convincing that Paul did not 
write Gal 6:6 to say THINGS should be SHARED, but that the burden of 
teaching the Gospel of Christ should be shared, similar to what you read 
in Revelation 22:16-17.

However, I'm not a scholar, and this is still  my current study on the 
subject, AND This seems to be a wildly variant reading compared to many 
other translations.   I do see that most translations in English within 
the last 50 years imply this verse means 'pay the preacher'.  Don't get 
me wrong here, I'm not trying to hang on to money.  I look at chunks of 
scripture looking for the whole paragraphs.  This section (Gal 6:4-10) 
seems to fit together with a completely different subject stuck right in 
the middle of it.  This apparent modern mistranslation is taking away 
the individual involvement that the literal translation implies.  When 
you take the very literal translation of Gal 6:6 and add it to the rest 
of the section it is pretty convincingly saying to everyone: "get out 
there and open your mouth about Jesus!" When you take the 'pay the 
preacher' interpretation of the verse, it seems to imply you're cash is 
as good as your actions, and that evangelizing should be left to the 
professionals. It further seems to imply the accountability (vs 7)  and 
pride (vs 4,5) is in terms of dollars, when that just isn't in the 
section at all.


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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sat Jan  7 21:54:21 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:54:21 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Sunday - Ephesians 1:1-2
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*Ephesians 1*


*By: David M. Colburn*


*Book Introduction*


According to one chronological list of New Testament book Ephesians 
appears after Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, James, Galatians, 
Thessalonians, Corinthians, Romans, Philemon, and Colossians and prior 
to 1Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter, Hebrews, 2 Timothy, Jude, 2, Peter, 1-3 
John, and Revelation.

This is relevant because prior to the church in Ephesus receiving Paul's 
letter there was significant awareness oftexts/preceding Ephesians/, 
texts circulated by taking advantage of the Roman mails and traveling 
routes, and frequently passed from church (a gathering of Believers) to 
church and read aloud. The texts following Ephesians,//yet to be 
authored and distributed, were built upon Old Testament prophesies and 
those of Jesus while in the flesh.

According to many Biblical scholars, the book of Ephesians appears /not 
/to have been uniquely written to the church in Ephesus. 
/Ephesians/gained it's identification with Ephesus because theirs is 
believed to be the first church to receive this letter and because there 
were multiple copies found there (which indicates the intent of the 
church in Ephesus to distribute the letter). Regardless, the intended 
audience is clearly that of all believers everywhere.


Understanding some key definitions in the Bible helps in understanding 
the book of Ephesians:


*Creation*- /bara/(Heb.) 'make something out of nothing'

*Delegation*- God's /contract /with His created to manage His creation

*Rebellion*- Adam & Eve's /breach /of contract

*Curse*- the /consequences /for breach of contract

*Promise*- "Christ" to come, providing redemption from the consequences

*CHRISTmas*- Jesus the Christ born in the flesh, first step in His 
provision realized

*Easter*- the culmination of propitiation, substitution, resurrection, 
ascension, intercession



Understanding key descriptive Biblical names and terms helps to 
understand Ephesians:

*Trinity (Triune God)*God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit

*God the Father*Creator, Lord, and never-corporeal keeper of glory

*God the Son*Jesus the man, sinless human of immaculate conception

Jesus the Christ, God's son in the flesh, anointed as Savior (Acts 2:22-24)

Jesus our Lord, His God-glory restored, He Whom we worship and obey

*God the Holy Spirit*Comforter of the living, restorer of the dead, 
empowerer of holiness

*Spirit (human)*God's unique essence placed in man to engage Him at the 
spiritual level



    Sunday


      Ephesians 1:1-2


Salutation

1:1 From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, to the 
saints [in Ephesus], the faithful in Christ Jesus.
1:2 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ!



      Prayer



Lord, Your Word affirms itself, clarifying important concepts, reminding 
us of the reality of and reason for Your Gospel.  May I never forget 
that You are the Lord God, that You call me a "saint" because You have 
redeemed me and will make me holy prior to Heaven, and that I owe it all 
to You.



      Summary & Commentary


In the first chapter of Ephesians, the Apostle Paul reminded the Church 
of the glory and promises of God and what that means to all Believers

Paul began by identifying himself as an "apostle of Jesus Christ by the 
will of God" then reminded his readers that they also are "saints ... 
the faithful" through the same blessing of God. [Note: His readers would 
have known the story of how Paul was converted from a destroyer of 
Christians to their most zealous advocate (Acts 9:-18), so the model of 
turning away from one belief system and accepting a new one 
unconditionally was not entirely new to them.]

Paul communicated a couple of interesting points that are easily 
overlooked; when he wrote "Grace and peace to you from God our Father 
and the Lord Jesus Christ."

He intentionally wrote "grace" to remind the believers that they were no 
longer under the law as to eternal judgment and "peace" in order to 
clarify further that the war between their former rebellious selves and 
the Holy God is over.

Paul also added "... and the Lord Jesus Christ" in an apparent reminder 
of our subjection and debt to Jesus to make the "Grace and peace" possible.



      Interaction


        Consider

The Lord God's incredible gift- the truth that accepting God's grace in 
the places of our lives where we'd be most ashamed to have Jesus 
in-the-flesh present is a first step to understanding grace - He already 
knows, and although we must never imagine that He endorses our sin, 
grace means that He still loves us!


        Discuss

How do we meet the challenge of living here in our still-fallen flesh, 
assured of Heaven with bodies and minds made pure, yet struggling daily 
to press away the things that would drag us down?



        Reflect

TheLordGod's love-name for us is "saints", because we have chosen to be 
among the faithful, trusting His truth, and surrendering to His 
perfectly-loving Lordship.


        Share

What is oneexample of the chasm of the person you were before Christ and 
the person you are now?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to remind you of one specific example where knowing 
that His truth empowered you to resist a former pattern of cycling down 
into depression or escalating up to worse sin - choosing instead 
confession, repentance (turning away), forgiveness, and restoration - 
freedom!


        Action:

TodayIwillI will share with a fellow believer the amazing freedom that 
comes from knowing that despite my imperfections in the flesh I am loved 
by God and guaranteed freedom from imperfection and sin for eternity 
with Him in Heaven.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Monday's text will be:


      Ephesians 1:3-6



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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sat Jan  7 22:02:07 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 22:02:07 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Galatians 6
In-Reply-To: <4F07C8B4.1030804@yahoo.com>
References: <4F07A02F.1040302@bibleseven.com> <4F07C8B4.1030804@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F09072F.5020502@bibleseven.com>

Michael,

     In this case, and many others, you may want to take on a larger 
"chunk"
than a paragraph.

     The thought occurs to me that Paul may be returning to the teaching 
"do
not muzzle the ox while it is working".

     He made it very clear elsewhere that shepherds of men, like shepherds
of sheep, devote their working hours to their service.

     While Paul chose to "tent-make" because of the nature of his special
work from the Lord, he wanted to control any and all potential external
influence - including his source of physical sustenance - so that he could
act freely for the Lord ... it does not follow that every other leader was
expected to do the same ... and he said so.

     Just a thought - since Paul had a tendency to jump in and out of past
ideas sometimes in the middle of another teaching - and it is linked to
faithfulness of the teacher to the Word.

     WDYT?

 > Michael Hart wrote:
> Re: http://mikeys-bible-notes.blogspot.com/2011/11/sowing-light.html
>
> I have been studying Galations 6 for some time and I read Gal 6:4-10 
> as Paul's take on the Great Commission.
>
> Except:
>
> Verse six (in modern English) seems to be talking about paying the 
> preacher, and not about sharing the word.
>
> The Greek Verse has these words (one, teach, teach, speak, good). 
> there are other modifying words like for and the, but you won't find 
> "things" or {sharing commodities} in the verse when you read it 
> literally.  When you look at it in context of 6:4-10, it really seems 
> to be saying literally "Those who are taught, /must also/ teach the 
> good /word". /The Greek "Agathos" is listed by Strongs as 'good' or 
> 'good things', but the application of 'things' tied strictly to 
> Strongs G18 appears only 2 times vs some ~80 times meaning good as in 
> the idea of good not evil. When I read the Greek, I find it pretty 
> convincing that Paul did not write Gal 6:6 to say THINGS should be 
> SHARED, but that the burden of teaching the Gospel of Christ should be 
> shared, similar to what you read in Revelation 22:16-17.
>
> However, I'm not a scholar, and this is still  my current study on the 
> subject, AND This seems to be a wildly variant reading compared to 
> many other translations.   I do see that most translations in English 
> within the last 50 years imply this verse means 'pay the preacher'.  
> Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to hang on to money.  I look 
> at chunks of scripture looking for the whole paragraphs.  This section 
> (Gal 6:4-10) seems to fit together with a completely different subject 
> stuck right in the middle of it.  This apparent modern mistranslation 
> is taking away the individual involvement that the literal translation 
> implies.  When you take the very literal translation of Gal 6:6 and 
> add it to the rest of the section it is pretty convincingly saying to 
> everyone: "get out there and open your mouth about Jesus!" When you 
> take the 'pay the preacher' interpretation of the verse, it seems to 
> imply you're cash is as good as your actions, and that evangelizing 
> should be left to the professionals. It further seems to imply the 
> accountability (vs 7)  and pride (vs 4,5) is in terms of dollars, when 
> that just isn't in the section at all.
>
>


-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sun Jan  8 19:46:38 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:46:38 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Monday - Ephesians 1:3-6
Message-ID: <4F0A38EE.7060304@bibleseven.com>


    Monday


      Ephesians1:3-6


Spiritual Blessings in Christ

1:3 Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has 
blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms in Christ.

1:4 For he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world that we 
may be holy and unblemished in his sight in love.

1:5 He did this by predestining us to adoption as his sons through Jesus 
Christ, according to the pleasure of his will -- 1:6 to the praise of 
the glory of his grace that he has freely bestowed on us in his dearly 
loved Son.


      Prayer


Lord, You promised Adam and Eve, and later Abraham, that You would send 
a redeemer. You said that the Redeemer would make salvation possible for 
everyone. You taught through the Law that Your standard was a high one 
-- absolute surrender -- and Jesus taught that salvation through grace 
was an offered-gift to those who chose to accept it. May I never imagine 
that I have earned my salvation, nor that it has been imposed-upon me 
[there is no Biblical teaching that anyone is "born saved"], but that 
You reveal Yourself to every member of humankind and each must make an 
eternal choice.



      Summary&Commentary


Godblessesusbypredestining(creatingtheconditionsfor)allwhosurrenderthisworldandwhoacceptthegiftofHeaventhroughChrist- 
toaneternityfreedfromimperfectionandrestorationtotheEdeniccondition.

PaulemphasizedthatourstandingbeforeGodinan"unblemished"stateisaresultofHislovingprovisionthroughChristwhosesacrificeforusremovedourimperfections.


He walk his readersthroughthefollowing steps of understanding(firstpart):


vs. 1:4 He(the Lord 
God)choseusbasedonapre-establishedsetofconditions,"...inChrist".


vs. 1:5 He(the Lord 
God)predestinedustoadoptionasHis(God's)"sons"-ifwemeettheconditionsreferencedin1:4. 
[Note:ThisismorethanlegalstandingasinHis(God's)familybutwouldhavebeenunderstoodtomeanforbothmaleandfemalealikethefullrightsofalovedchildandonewhobenefitsfromalloftheblessingsandrightsthereof.]

Notes:

FellowshipbetweenGodandmanisnotdescribedhere,noreveninpre-FallEden(Gen.1-3),all 
that is described is theprovisionofa redeemer andthe boundariesfor 
redemption setbyHim.

EvenassomeNewTestamenttextsaddressfellowship between God and 
man(e.g.1Cor.1:9,1John1:3)itismore-soofourfellowshipwithChristviaHisprovisionofsalvationandthereforecertaintyofjoiningHiminHeaven.

EvenEph.1:5wherePauldescribedourstatusas"inheritors"hestilldidnotmentionaffectionorcasualfellowshipbetweenmanandGodinHeaven.

WhenwelookforasenseofhowGodlovesus,andtheintimacywhichHeseeks,wemustlookelsewhere- 
intheWordfor"Father"usedinthe"Abba"(daddy)context 
ratherthanhereinthe'God the keeperoforder'context.

WewillalsowanttolookatthefellowshipbetweenJesusandGodtheFatherbecauseweinheritthatrelationshipthroughJesusasourpromisedandfulfilledChrist.

ThetraditionalinterpretationofGen.3:8ispost-sinandpre-curse,butAdamandEvearealreadyinastateofrebellionandtheirstandingbeforeGodhaschanged.Insteadofimplyingafriendly"walkingtogetherinthecooloftheday"thisverseappears 
to describethe highly-offendedLord Godlooking to Adam and Eve 
likeanapproachingstorm(something new to them but what we recognize in 
this fallen world) from wheretheywere hiding.



      Interaction


        Consider

ItwasGod'spleasuretocreateawaytoovercome"thesinofAdam"throughtheworkofJesustheChrist. 
Becausethecostofcreating"awayhome"toHeavenforuswasimpossiblethrough"works"Hepaidthe 
price 
forusandonlyasksthatwerejectthethingsofthisworld-in-rebellionandsurrendereternalallegiance(ourfreewill)toourLordthePerfectOne,Jesus.


        Discuss

Why is a clear understanding 
ofthe"steps"or"elements"of"predestination"so important?

First,He created 
theconditionsforallwhosurrenderthisworldandwhoacceptthegiftofHeaventhroughChrist,

Then, 
Second,HegrantedusadoptionasHis(God's)"sons",alloftheblessingsandrightsas"family"inChrist.


        Reflect

OurstandingbeforeGodinan"unblemished"stateisaresultofHislovingprovisionthroughJesus 
the Christwhosesacrificeforusremovedourimperfections.


        Share

When have you 
heard"predestination"described?CompareandcontrastthatwiththeWordofGod.



      FaithinAction



        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you one unsavedperson for whom He would 
like you to pray.


        Action:

Today I will prayforthe person He has revealed to 
meand,ifIhavetoearnedtheopportunitytodoso,I 
willtellthemabouttheincrediblegiftofHeaventhroughJesus.


        BeSpecific______________________________________________________



    Tuesday's text will be:


      Ephesians 1:7-11



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
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From dlormand at aztecfreenet.org  Mon Jan  9 10:21:05 2012
From: dlormand at aztecfreenet.org (David Ormand)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:21:05 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Galatians 6
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>
> >  However, I'm not a scholar, and this is still  my current study on the
> >  subject, AND This seems to be a wildly variant reading compared to
> >  many other translations.   I do see that most translations in English
> >  within the last 50 years imply this verse means 'pay the preacher'.
> >  Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to hang on to money.  I look
> >  at chunks of scripture looking for the whole paragraphs.  This section
> >  (Gal 6:4-10) seems to fit together with a completely different subject
> >  stuck right in the middle of it.  This apparent modern mistranslation
> >  is taking away the individual involvement that the literal translation
> >  implies.  When you take the very literal translation of Gal 6:6 and
> >  add it to the rest of the section it is pretty convincingly saying to
> >  everyone: "get out there and open your mouth about Jesus!" When you
> >  take the 'pay the preacher' interpretation of the verse, it seems to
> >  imply you're cash is as good as your actions, and that evangelizing
> >  should be left to the professionals. It further seems to imply the
> >  accountability (vs 7)  and pride (vs 4,5) is in terms of dollars, when
> >  that just isn't in the section at all.

I see what you're saying, and it makes sense.  _My_ problem with the 
direction you are going with this is that it falls in line with the 
(also modern) notion that _everyone_ is _commanded_ to evangelize.

I've grown up as a Southern Baptist and heard all my life that the Great 
Commission ("Go and make disciples") is a command to all believers to 
evangelize or "witness" or "share your testimony".  Or, in practical 
terms, get unbelievers to say a magic prayer of "asking Jesus into your 
heart" - that is, make _converts_.  Meanwhile, the actual work of 
turning converts into _disciples_ is anemic or neglected entirely; it's 
as if the real goal was to get people inducted into church culture, to 
get them into the practice of attending Sunday morning "worship" 
services, singing songs (of whatever ancient or contemporary style), 
listening to speeches, and putting money in the plate.  This process of 
making converts has been boiled down and formalized into such things as
     the three-minute testimony
     door-to-door visitation
     Evangelism Explosion
     Four Spiritual Laws
     F.A.I.T.H.
and similar _programs_.  I was never comfortable with this (what I came 
to view as a) _religious_ practice (not unlike what Mormons and JWs 
do).  I have since come to the perspective that, if we could get 
_discipleship_ right, and people were plugged into Jesus, the personal 
evangelism thing would take care of itself without being taught by  the 
church as a _commandment_ (when the church, or in general Christianity, 
is already viewed both outside and inside as "keeping a list of rules").

Furthermore, I am suspicious of having to parse Greek words to arrive at 
an interpretation of a passage that results in a universal imperative.  
Is "pay the preacher" someone's interpretation of an unclear Greek 
passage?  How is "get out there and open your mouth about Jesus" any 
less so?  We have clear teachings about "love your wives", "honor your 
husbands", "raise your children", "pray for the nation's leaders" and 
such.  However, I do not see a clear teaching of "universal evangelism 
imperative", nor do I see it historically practiced in the church, not 
even in Acts.  I don't want to get hung up on anybody's interpretation 
of an unclear Greek passage (note that some (e.g., Frank Viola and 
George Barna) suggest that the "professional minister" is a 
post-Constantine phenomenon).

So while you all flame me for my non-traditional view of evangelism, 
just to say, Galatians 6 looks to me to be teaching "the law of the 
harvest" or "sowing and reaping".  If this is the case, EITHER the "pay 
the preacher" OR "get out there and open your mouths about Jesus" would 
fit the context - things we do NOW that result in blessings (of some 
sort) later.



From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Mon Jan  9 19:05:06 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 19:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Tuesday - Ephesians 1:7-11
Message-ID: <4F0B80B2.4040005@bibleseven.com>


    Tuesday


      Ephesians1:7-11


1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our 
trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

1:8 that he lavished on us in all wisdom and insight.

1:9 He did this when he revealed to us the secret of his will, according 
to his good pleasure that he set forth in Christ,

1:10 toward the administration of the fullness of the times, to head up 
all things in Christ -- the things in heaven and the things on earth.

1:11 In Christ we too have been claimed as God's own possession, since 
we were predestined according to the one purpose of him who accomplishes 
all things according to the counsel of his will



      Prayer


Lord, You provided the way of freedom for us in Christ, and You provided 
us Your Gospel so that we would understand. May I receive Your gift of 
"all wisdom and insight" with a teachable heart.



      Summary&Commentary


Wehaveeternalredemptionanddailyforgiveness,aspromisedbyGod(Gen.3:15),andbecauseofthepropitiationofChrist.

[Note:Propitiationistheologian'sshorthandfortheworkofChristontheCrosswhereHe,theonlyGod-man,Onewithoutsin,tookuponHimselfoursinandthroughHissacrificeofdeathandHismiracleofresurrectiondestroyedthepowerofdeath-for-sinforallwhoacceptHisLordship.]


Paulrefersto"thesecret"ofChrist,HissalvationavailabletoallandnotonlytheJew,andHisplantorescuemanthroughChrist.

[Note:ThecomingofaMessiahwasnotasecret,theMessiahisprophesiedattheFall(Gen.3:15)intheAbrahamicCovenant(Gen12:1-3),John3:56observesthat"AbrahamrejoicedforthedayMessiahwouldcome"theuniqueindividual"oneseed"(Gen.13:15;22:18,Gal.3:16),"...untilShilohcomes"(Gen.49:10-12),thesacrificialsystemwastemporary(Rom.3:25),theserpentofNumbers21isidentifiedinJohn3:14;12:32asanimageoftheMessiah,MosesisatypeofMessiah(Deut.18:15),intheBookofRuththekinsmanredeemer/guardianisatypeofMessiah(Ruth4:14,Psa.78:35,Deut.25:5-10),in1Sam.8:4-5Israelistooobsessedwithothernationsandmis-appliesMessiahasthedemandahumanking- 
afailureofunderstandingthatfollowedthemallofthewaytotimeofJesus,in2Sam.7:11b-16Messiahisclarified/restated,Messiahisoftendescribedgenerationallyandrhetoricallyas"thesonofDavid(Luke1:32l2:4;18:38),allofthefollowingdescribethecomingMessiah?(Isa.7:14-16;9:6-7;11:1-5;49:5-7;52,53,Dan.7:13-14,Zech.3:8;9:9,Mal.3:1),"OutofEgyptIcalledMyson,"--Hos.11:1ismisunderstoodiftakentomeanthattheMessiahwasanEgyptian."calledout"doesnotnecessarilymeanthatHewasanEgyptianbutthatHewasadescendantofthosecalledoutofbondage-orthatHefledpersecutiontoEgypt(Mary&Josephtookhimasababy)thenwas"calledout"toreturnhometogrowupanddoHiswork-Matthew(2:15)clarifiesthis,andfinallyoneBiblescholarprovidedthefollowingMessiahexcerptsfromPsalms:


*Psalm****2*speaksoftheMessiahastheOnewhomGodwillinstallasHisKingoverIsrael(v.7).MessiahwillbegiventhenationsasHisinheritance,andHewillruleoverthosewhoseektoopposeHim(vss.1-3,8-9).ThenationsarethusurgedtoworshipGodnow,orfacethewrathofHiscomingKing.Incontrast,Psalm22portraysthesufferingofMessiahonthecrossofCalvary.ItbeginswiththewordswhichourLordquoteduponthecross,"MyGod,myGod,whyhasThouforsakenme?"thusidentifyingtheSaviorwiththeOnewhosesufferingsaredescribedinthisPsalm.


*Psalm****45*iswrittenforthecelebrationoftheking'smarriage.ItthereforefocusesonthesplendorandmajestyofthecomingKing(vss.3-6),anduponthefactthatHisthroneiseternal(v.6).Thebrideofthekinglovesrighteousnessandhateswickedness(thechurch?)andhasbeenchosenbyHimasHisbride.ThesplendorandbeautyofthebrideisdescribedasshehasbeenpreparedforherpresentationtotheKing.


*Psalm****72*depictsthereignoftheRighteousKingofIsrael,whojudgesthepeoplewithrighteousnessandjustice,andwhovindicatestheafflicted.HeistheOnewhowillanswerthecriesoftheafflictedandwillbringthemdeliverance.


*Psalm****110*speaksoftheinstallationoftheMessiahattherighthandofGod,whowillruleoverHisenemies.NotonlyisHetoruleasking,butHeisalsoaneternalpriestaftertheorderofMelchizedek(v.4).HewillcometotheearthtodestroyHisenemies.


"The Nestl? edition of the Greek NT lists "passages in bold which are 
direct quotations from the Old Testament." The list shows the NT as 
borrowing 224 separate passages from 103 different psalms, and with the 
same passages appearing in different places this gives a total of 280 
psalm quotations in the NT. Approximately 50 of these deal with the 
sufferings, resurrection, ascension of Christ, and the spreading of the 
gospel to all nations. The other quotations are more of a teaching or 
comforting nature." Source: http://www.ristosantala.com/rsla/OT/OT13.html]



Walkingthroughthesteps(secondpart):

1:9-10He(the Lord 
God)madeknowntousHis(God's)will...whichHepurposedinHim(God)...withaviewtothesummingupofallthingsinChrist-thisisthefulfillmentofthepromiseofGodaftertheFallintheGarden(Gen.3:15)


1:11WearepredestinedaccordingtoHis(God's)purpose-whenwemeetthequalificationsforpredestinationHe(God)hasaperfectplanforus(unliketheimperfectonesweinventeveryday) 
and upon our 'qualification' He initiates that plan.



      Interaction


        Consider

Dealingwithsininourlivesisachallenge,wearemuchbetteratcover-upsanddenialsthanweareatconfessionandrepentanceandwelietoourselves 
evenbetterthanwelietoothers.


        Discuss

How does the clear linkage between the Old Testament Psalms, and the New 
Testament text that quotes from it, encourage your assurance of the 
integrity of God's Word?


        Reflect

Thankthe Lord Godthatthrough JesustheChristHe 
tookourpunishmentontheCross,thatHeasGod-manwasresurrectedfromtheformerlyinescapablebondsofdeath,thatHewalkedandtaughtHis-storyandHispromise,andthatHesentHisapostlestoteachandwriteittothenewchurch(believers)thatwemighthaveHisWordtoday.ThankHimalsofordailyforgiveness.


        Share

When have you read something in the New Testament and realized that the 
writer was quoting from the OT?



      FaithinAction


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit toreveal to you a piece of His plan for your life.


        Action:

Today I will praise the Lord God for His perfect plan for my life and I 
will humbly and trustingly follow where he leads.



        BeSpecific______________________________________________________



    Wednesday's text will be:


      Ephesians1:12-14



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Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Jan  9 23:22:51 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:22:51 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Late Great Planet Church
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Volume One of /The Late Great Planet Church: The Rise of 
Dispensationalism/ 
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is the first documentary of its kind. It exposes this erroneous system 
of thought as breaking continuity with history --- and even the very 
Word of God.

/It is my conviction that many who are presently disposed toward 
Dispensationalism would not be victims of the system if they were better 
acquainted and informed about the system and its history - its 
theological roots and the doctrinal errors it has spawned./ --- The Late 
Ernest Reisinger, Pastor

http://store.visiontoamerica.com/late-great-planet-church-dvd/

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Jan 10 11:16:47 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:16:47 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Well, they won't have to listen to "Stevie
	Winder" anymore! ; )
Message-ID: <4F0C646F.1020108@lightlink.com>

Microsoft CEO crashes and burns in final CES keynote

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has flopped his final keynote at the 
Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, presenting a bizarre display 
that was hosted by US entertainment personality Ryan Seacrest and 
included a "tweet choir", but virtually no new significant announcements.

Several demos failed, and attendees were dismayed that a rumored new 
Xbox 720 console wasn't revealed. One attendee remarked at the end 
"thank god it was the last year" -- reflecting the mood in the audience 
and of the live bloggers covering the speech.

This year was the final CES keynote for Microsoft, which has monopolized 
the slot for the past 15 years. In recent years, Ballmer has failed to 
come up with big new announcements to kick off the show and Microsoft 
acknowledged this when it said it was pulling out of the show because 
the January timing didn't fit in with its road map.

[More]

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/microsoft-ceo-crashes-and-burns-in-final-ces-keynote-20120110-1pt1f.html 


-- 
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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 17:47:45 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:47:45 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] State of the Christian FOSS Community?
Message-ID: <CAJ-7yo=qaTOqq-D5mAp8=VeC8XeNWcRQkNTQ4dk7ALYET4itZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I hope the word will get out on these two lists.  I know it is loooong
overdue, but sometime in the next couple months I intend to start revising
Penguin in the Pew.  It would be a huge help if folks could send me links
to any web sites related to the Christian FOSS community and related
applications.

I assume The Sword Project is still in place with all of the relevant
applications.  I recall the following apps as well:

Lyricue
OpenLP

And there may be others.  The Freely Project appears to have disappeared.
Is Ben Thorp still lurking on the lists?  Is there any form of church
management yet?

What other sites or links (general resources) should I include in the
update?  Have the links to sign up for these lists changed since 2004?

Anyway, I have another task ahead of me - namely to get a Linux cert under
my belt - before I can push forward with the book.  But I would like to be
able to offer more up-to-date information and maybe expand it a bit.  I may
do a little revision along the way, but looking back on it, I mostly still
like it.  :-)
Anyway, I just thought I would see what projects are still out there and
what might need to be dropped.  When I get closer to the time, I will offer
some more insight as to my plans, but I think it will definitely be more
useful to newcomers.

Blessings,
Don
-- 
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Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 17:50:51 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Response to a Libre Software Skeptic
Message-ID: <CAJ-7yo=OTPBdys8datTieiwoH+Qj9L0s-LUzuzQFt9WkLmFO=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Here is part of the motivation for updating Penguin in the Pew.  I was
forced to take a look back at my old writing to try and remember what I
wrote and the context behind it by a recent question from a skeptic.  This
blog post is my response to the skeptic:

http://dcparris.net/2012/01/10/response-to-a-libre-software-skeptic/
Blessings,
Don
-- 
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Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Tue Jan 10 20:09:14 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:09:14 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Wednesday - Ephesians 1:12-14
Message-ID: <4F0CE13A.5030408@bibleseven.com>


    Wednesday


      Ephesians 1:12-14


1:12 so that we, who were the first to set our hope on Christ, would be 
to the praise of his glory.

1:13 And when you heard the word of truth (the gospel of your salvation) 
-- when you believed in Christ -- you were marked with the seal of the 
promised Holy Spirit,

1:14 who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of 
God's own possession, to the praise of his glory.



      Prayer


Lord, You saved us and although we are already with You in your 
timeless-reality, we remain here for a while as we endure the time-bound 
reality of creation. May I keep my eyes always on You so that I never 
forget that I no longer belong here but rather with You in Heaven.



      Summary & Commentary


We first set our hopes upon Christ when we "heard the Word of truth" and 
"believed in Christ." Then we were "marked with the seal of the promised 
Holy Spirit."


Walking through the steps (third part):


1:13a We hear the Word of God, HIS-story.

1:13b We choose to believe.

1:13c We are then saved.

1:13d We are given the indwelling Holy Spirit as Jesus promised (John 16)


There is a theological construct called "already, not yet". This refers 
to the sovereign and unalterable declarations of God relative to His 
promises to His children; we are already seen as redeemed from the 
penalty of sin but we are not yet directly experiencing the fullness of 
the results of that redemption (Heaven), or as Jesus said to the 
repentant thief on the Cross "... today you will be with me in paradise" 
- Jesus was in the grave for three days and after His resurrection 
walked the earth for another forty, so, clearly he was speaking in the 
"already, not yet" linear time versus the timelessness of God and 
Heavenly/spiritual reality (Luke 23:39-43).


Thank God that the resurrected and glorified Jesus, Christ in the flesh, 
is our perfect hope and, like Him and because of Him, we also have been 
claimed by God as His! We first set our hopes upon Christ when we "heard 
the Word of truth" and "believed in Christ." Then we were "marked with 
the seal of the promised Holy Spirit."



      Interaction


Consider

The amazing, incredible, surreal fact is that you have the indwelling 
Holy Spirit of God! What are you doing as a result of that incomparable 
gift? Are we, the body of Christ, partnering with Him to heal and mature 
emotionally, intellectually, physically, and spiritually?


        Discuss

How does the concept of "already, not yet," help you to understand the 
difference between a human perspective of time-bound events and that of 
an outside-of-time God?


        Reflect

The resurrected and glorified Jesus, Christ in the flesh, is our perfect 
hope and, like Him and because of Him, we also have been claimed by God 
as His! We first set our hopes upon Christ when we "heard the Word of 
truth" and "believed in Christ." Then we were "marked with the seal of 
the promised Holy Spirit."


        Share

Share an example of how the Holy Spirit of God, working from within you, 
caused you to be used by God in a meaningful and positive way.



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal how He wants to work in your life to heal 
and mature you.


        Action:

Today I choose to prayerfully partner with Him in His work so that while 
I am "not yet" in my new perfected body in Heaven I am "already" 
worshiping Him with my life.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Thursday's text will be:


      Ephesians 1:15-16



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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From raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za  Wed Jan 11 02:07:33 2012
From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:07:33 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians]
	=?utf-8?q?State_of_the_Christian_FOSS_Communit?= =?utf-8?q?y=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-7yo=qaTOqq-D5mAp8=VeC8XeNWcRQkNTQ4dk7ALYET4itZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-7yo=qaTOqq-D5mAp8=VeC8XeNWcRQkNTQ4dk7ALYET4itZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73b7d512fbeaf3edc7490d44ade35601@localhost>

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:47:45 -0500, Don Parris <parrisdc at gmail.com> wrote:
> And there may be others.  The Freely Project appears to have
disappeared.
> Is Ben Thorp still lurking on the lists?  Is there any form of church
> management yet?

Both Jethro PMM and kOOL are two new church management apps I've heard
about recently.

I have a site, http://christianoss.org/ where I've been trying to blog
regularly about various bits of OSS and how to use them in a Christian
context.

ChurchM.ag has some open source stuff occasionally, when they're not
ogling over the latest Mac product or app.

-- 
Raoul Snyman, B.Tech IT (Software Engineering)
Saturn Laboratories
m: 082 550 3754
e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za
w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za
b: blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za

From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Wed Jan 11 10:47:17 2012
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:47:17 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
Message-ID: <CAGJ_FV_qmJWJNjVoxZ1ddHuku2pGYKh1wQagsGFa2+KwUtV5XA@mail.gmail.com>

My development team missed yet another meeting this morning because the
meeting gateway (whatever that is) was down again.  Livemeeting is
expensive, it's unreliable, and it's Microsoft.  So... obviously it would
be best to replace it.  It's hard enough trying to coordinate meetings
 between Dallas and India and Philippines when we are all awake at the same
time without also dealing with bugs from Microsoft!

What we need is remote meeting software that allows voice (video not
necessary) conversations with multiple participants and the presenter can
share his or her desktop.  The participants' client software unfortunately
has to run on Windows, as does the presenter's, but if the server itself is
Linux-based we can do that.  And if it's FOSS, so much the better :-)

Any suggestions?

Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
*PBS*
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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 10:50:09 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:50:09 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] State of the Christian FOSS Community?
In-Reply-To: <73b7d512fbeaf3edc7490d44ade35601@localhost>
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	<73b7d512fbeaf3edc7490d44ade35601@localhost>
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 02:07, Raoul Snyman <
raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:47:45 -0500, Don Parris <parrisdc at gmail.com> wrote:
> > And there may be others.  The Freely Project appears to have
> disappeared.
> > Is Ben Thorp still lurking on the lists?  Is there any form of church
> > management yet?
>
> Both Jethro PMM and kOOL are two new church management apps I've heard
> about recently.
>
> I have a site, http://christianoss.org/ where I've been trying to blog
> regularly about various bits of OSS and how to use them in a Christian
> context.
>
> ChurchM.ag has some open source stuff occasionally, when they're not
> ogling over the latest Mac product or app.
>
>
> Thanks Raoul!  That's very helpful.  :-)

Many blessings,
Don
-- 
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Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Wed Jan 11 18:52:11 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:52:11 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Thursday - Ephesians 1:15-16
Message-ID: <4F0E20AB.3020100@bibleseven.com>


    Thursday


      Ephesians 1:15-16


Prayer for Wisdom and Revelation

1:15 For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord 
Jesus and your love for all the saints,

1:16 I do not cease to give thanks for you when I remember you in my 
prayers.

1:17 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, 
may give you spiritual wisdom and revelation in your growing knowledge 
of him,

1:18 -- since the eyes of your heart have been enlightened -- so that 
you may know what is the hope of his calling, what is the wealth of his 
glorious inheritance in the saints,

1:19 and what is the incomparable greatness of his power toward us who 
believe, as displayed in the exercise of his immense strength.

1:20 This power he exercised in Christ when he raised him from the dead 
and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms 1:21 far above 
every rule and authority and power and dominion and every name that is 
named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.

1:22 And God put all things under Christ's feet, and he gave him to the 
church as head over all things.

1:23 Now the church is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.



      Prayer


Lord, You have given to us a right-model for obedient Biblical-Christian 
living. May I remember to reflect often upon this teaching, comparing 
and contrasting my walk with the guidance found here, and seeking to 
mature so that I may be-improved by Your Holy Spirit.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul stated his motivation for offering up prayers on the Saints behalf: 
"For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus 
and your love for all the saints." Because they are Believers "in the 
Lord," and because the witness of their lives as well as their words 
told HIStory, Paul celebrated with, "I do not cease to give thanks for 
you when I remember you in my prayers."


Following the sequence:

They were believers in the Lord.

They "ultrafidian" went beyond faith and ...

... obediently loved one another.

... obediently shared the Good News (like the Thessalonians 1:7-10)

therefore, Paul remembered them to God in his prayers.



      Interaction


        Consider

As you contemplate becoming an ultrafidian-Christian; do you find that 
exciting and scary at the same moment? Loving those sometimes 
hard-to-love brothers and sisters in Christ, even the one in the mirror 
right after doing something really dumb, can be an exciting challenge.


        Discuss

In what ways can we be ultrafidian-Christians and go beyond faith to 
obediently love one another and obediently share the Good News because 
the Holy Spirit of God dwells in every one of us?


        Reflect

We may callupon the Lord God Who honors us through the prayers of 
Apostles then and the intercession of Jesus in Heaven now.


        Share

When have you been an ultrafidian-Christian and done something in-faith 
that you never thought you could do?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you abrother or sister whom you may 
encourage and one unsaved person you can tell about the Gospel of Jesus 
the Christ.


        Action:

TodayI am choosing to be an ultrafidian-Christian, loving my Christian 
brothers and sisters and obediently sharing the Good News every chance I 
get.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Friday's text will be:


      Ephesians 1:17-21



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Wed Jan 11 19:13:25 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
In-Reply-To: <CAGJ_FV_qmJWJNjVoxZ1ddHuku2pGYKh1wQagsGFa2+KwUtV5XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV_qmJWJNjVoxZ1ddHuku2pGYKh1wQagsGFa2+KwUtV5XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0E25A5.8030108@bibleseven.com>

Can't you do that with Skype?

> My development team missed yet another meeting this morning because 
> the meeting gateway (whatever that is) was down again.  Livemeeting is 
> expensive, it's unreliable, and it's Microsoft.  So... obviously it 
> would be best to replace it.  It's hard enough trying to coordinate 
> meetings  between Dallas and India and Philippines when we are all 
> awake at the same time without also dealing with bugs from Microsoft!
>
> What we need is remote meeting software that allows voice (video not 
> necessary) conversations with multiple participants and the presenter 
> can share his or her desktop.  The participants' client software 
> unfortunately has to run on Windows, as does the presenter's, but if 
> the server itself is Linux-based we can do that.  And if it's FOSS, so 
> much the better :-)
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Peter B. Steiger
> Cheyenne, WY
> /*PBS*/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians


-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Wed Jan 11 22:03:14 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:03:14 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Galatians 6
In-Reply-To: <4F0B05E1.9080200@aztecfreenet.org>
References: <4F0B05E1.9080200@aztecfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <4F0E4D72.3050803@bibleseven.com>

After working my way through the Bible twice for the study development,
and Genesis to Revelation several times before in different 
translations, just
for edification I do not recall any teachings that exist in isolation 
and/or that
require tortured studies of parsed-Greek or Hebrew to understand.

BTW:  Essentially no one but Bible translators ever work with the genuine
original languages because they are highly-antiquated and require lots of
additional understandings to comprehend in their cultural context.  People
who claim to work in Greek as doing so in a translation to much more
modern Greek from the original, same with Hebrew.  This is why I have
so much respect for translation teams and such huge doubt about those
with a "Reader's Digest" familiarity with Greek and Hebrew challenging
their work.

All that to say that if the Holy Spirit does not prompt me to conduct a
"Berean" study of a section of text from a translation in English then I
am persuaded that the Lord God is good with it.

As for supporting an overseer/shepherd/whatever an argument-against
must, as the late John Stott put it "criticise the Bible with a pen knife";
that said, one may make the argument that hordes of professional "clergy"
in hyper-political religious bureaucracies is equally unsupportable 
Biblically.

A greater problem is the dismal failure within the fellowships of believers
to effectively make the argument for the supremacy of righteousness over
every other appeal for our affections and time.

Absent a bone-deep desire to glorify the Lord God in our lives everything
else becomes a shallow ritual or a careless experience.

We are unquestionably to "make disciples" and they will irresistably "go 
forth",
but if we fail in making disciples according to the Biblical description 
thereof
then our sending of partially-discipled "missionaries" will have profoundly
little impact.

Since we are first to be "salt and light" in our communities (family, 
work, etc)
and have mostly failed in that - going elsewhere carries with it the 
same failed
model - our failure to present a personal walk that earns us the right 
to be heard.

Jumping into evangelical missions before significant equipping and purpose
that flows naturally from effective discipleship is unwise - yes.

IMHO, YMMV ...

> I see what you're saying, and it makes sense.  _My_ problem with the 
> direction you are going with this is that it falls in line with the 
> (also modern) notion that _everyone_ is _commanded_ to evangelize.
>
> I've grown up as a Southern Baptist and heard all my life that the 
> Great Commission ("Go and make disciples") is a command to all 
> believers to evangelize or "witness" or "share your testimony".  Or, 
> in practical terms, get unbelievers to say a magic prayer of "asking 
> Jesus into your heart" - that is, make _converts_.  Meanwhile, the 
> actual work of turning converts into _disciples_ is anemic or 
> neglected entirely; it's as if the real goal was to get people 
> inducted into church culture, to get them into the practice of 
> attending Sunday morning "worship" services, singing songs (of 
> whatever ancient or contemporary style), listening to speeches, and 
> putting money in the plate.  This process of making converts has been 
> boiled down and formalized into such things as
>     the three-minute testimony
>     door-to-door visitation
>     Evangelism Explosion
>     Four Spiritual Laws
>     F.A.I.T.H.
> and similar _programs_.  I was never comfortable with this (what I 
> came to view as a) _religious_ practice (not unlike what Mormons and 
> JWs do).  I have since come to the perspective that, if we could get 
> _discipleship_ right, and people were plugged into Jesus, the personal 
> evangelism thing would take care of itself without being taught by  
> the church as a _commandment_ (when the church, or in general 
> Christianity, is already viewed both outside and inside as "keeping a 
> list of rules").
>
> Furthermore, I am suspicious of having to parse Greek words to arrive 
> at an interpretation of a passage that results in a universal 
> imperative.  Is "pay the preacher" someone's interpretation of an 
> unclear Greek passage?  How is "get out there and open your mouth 
> about Jesus" any less so?  We have clear teachings about "love your 
> wives", "honor your husbands", "raise your children", "pray for the 
> nation's leaders" and such.  However, I do not see a clear teaching of 
> "universal evangelism imperative", nor do I see it historically 
> practiced in the church, not even in Acts.  I don't want to get hung 
> up on anybody's interpretation of an unclear Greek passage (note that 
> some (e.g., Frank Viola and George Barna) suggest that the 
> "professional minister" is a post-Constantine phenomenon).
>
> So while you all flame me for my non-traditional view of evangelism, 
> just to say, Galatians 6 looks to me to be teaching "the law of the 
> harvest" or "sowing and reaping".  If this is the case, EITHER the 
> "pay the preacher" OR "get out there and open your mouths about Jesus" 
> would fit the context - things we do NOW that result in blessings (of 
> some sort) later.
>
>


-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Thu Jan 12 10:31:12 2012
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:31:12 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
In-Reply-To: <4F0E25A5.8030108@bibleseven.com>
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	<4F0E25A5.8030108@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <CAGJ_FV9MjPJam_UMaSGYLG2GYYhezOyTqewPc=vyAWMapWML3w@mail.gmail.com>

You can!  Unfortunately only one-on-one chat + desktop sharing is free; for
group conferencing it's 3 Euros (marked down from 5) per month per user,
which is to say about four bucks a head.  Our meetings tend to run upwards
of 15 or 20 people at a time, so I doubt I could convince the Microsoft
fanboys to spend half that much on a replacement for something they think
is the best product in the world.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion... I didn't know it was possible at all.
*PBS*

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:13 PM, dcolburn at bibleseven.com <
dcolburn at bibleseven.com> wrote:

> Can't you do that with Skype?
>
>  My development team missed yet another meeting this morning because the
>> meeting gateway (whatever that is) was down again.  Livemeeting is
>> expensive, it's unreliable, and it's Microsoft.  So... obviously it would
>> be best to replace it.  It's hard enough trying to coordinate meetings
>>  between Dallas and India and Philippines when we are all awake at the same
>> time without also dealing with bugs from Microsoft!
>>
>> What we need is remote meeting software that allows voice (video not
>> necessary) conversations with multiple participants and the presenter can
>> share his or her desktop.  The participants' client software unfortunately
>> has to run on Windows, as does the presenter's, but if the server itself is
>> Linux-based we can do that.  And if it's FOSS, so much the better :-)
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Peter B. Steiger
>> Cheyenne, WY
>> /*PBS*/
>>
>>
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From lists at runyanrants.net  Thu Jan 12 11:23:32 2012
From: lists at runyanrants.net (Legatus)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:23:32 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
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Can't you just use google+ Hangouts for the same thing for free, and have
it suddenly be platform independent. It may not desktop share, but does all
the video and audio.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 09:31, Peter B. Steiger <
webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:

> You can!  Unfortunately only one-on-one chat + desktop sharing is free;
> for group conferencing it's 3 Euros (marked down from 5) per month per
> user, which is to say about four bucks a head.  Our meetings tend to run
> upwards of 15 or 20 people at a time, so I doubt I could convince the
> Microsoft fanboys to spend half that much on a replacement for something
> they think is the best product in the world.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the suggestion... I didn't know it was possible at all.
> *
> *
>
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From Tim.Richard at crawfordmh.org  Thu Jan 12 11:37:02 2012
From: Tim.Richard at crawfordmh.org (Tim Richard)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 10:37:02 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
In-Reply-To: <CAGJ_FV_qmJWJNjVoxZ1ddHuku2pGYKh1wQagsGFa2+KwUtV5XA@mail.gmail.com>
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You could try BeamYourScreen.   www.beamyourscreen.com<http://www.beamyourscreen.com>   It's for Desktop Sharing and Online Meetings.  It works with Windows, Linux and Mac's.  The Participants are always free.

Tim Richard
Robinson, IL


From: linux4christians-bounces at thelinuxlink.net [mailto:linux4christians-bounces at thelinuxlink.net] On Behalf Of Peter B. Steiger
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:47 AM
To: Linux for Christians
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting

My development team missed yet another meeting this morning because the meeting gateway (whatever that is) was down again.  Livemeeting is expensive, it's unreliable, and it's Microsoft.  So... obviously it would be best to replace it.  It's hard enough trying to coordinate meetings  between Dallas and India and Philippines when we are all awake at the same time without also dealing with bugs from Microsoft!

What we need is remote meeting software that allows voice (video not necessary) conversations with multiple participants and the presenter can share his or her desktop.  The participants' client software unfortunately has to run on Windows, as does the presenter's, but if the server itself is Linux-based we can do that.  And if it's FOSS, so much the better :-)

Any suggestions?

Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
PBS

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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 16:50:28 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:50:28 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] My Politically Incorrect Take on Libre Software
Message-ID: <CAJ-7yokZVQLUg+ytjfRnwK4sUNJC6MgQdXKfVa-KQU03B8Jo7A@mail.gmail.com>

Dont' say I didn't warn you!


It?s rather punny? you?re sure to groan through this one:

http://dcparris.net/2012/01/09/politically-incorrect-libre-software/


-- 
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Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 16:52:56 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:52:56 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Response to a Libre Software Skeptic
Message-ID: <CAJ-7yom6gCy9E3njadRBs_+P7J4zm+hkcV+994BYeaOx4nqoyQ@mail.gmail.com>

And here's my recent post to a skeptic:
http://dcparris.net/2012/01/10/response-to-a-libre-software-skeptic/

The recent stories on OSNews (about RMS being right) and BoingBoing (Cory
Doctorow), coincide with my own response.
Blessings,
Don
-- 
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Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Thu Jan 12 17:22:02 2012
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:22:02 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
In-Reply-To: <CAMwavDK_es44nfaV5FMNqBUaF5-6Oi_1e7q9vZPsC1+F01gOpw@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, unfortunately desktop sharing is pretty crucial.  The boss needs to
be able to pull up sections of the program and highlight the parts he is
talking about, demonstrate how to do stuff, etc.

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Legatus <lists at runyanrants.net> wrote:

> Can't you just use google+ Hangouts for the same thing for free, and have
> it suddenly be platform independent. It may not desktop share, but does all
> the video and audio.
>
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Thu Jan 12 17:28:01 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:28:01 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Response to a Libre Software Skeptic
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-7yom6gCy9E3njadRBs_+P7J4zm+hkcV+994BYeaOx4nqoyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-7yom6gCy9E3njadRBs_+P7J4zm+hkcV+994BYeaOx4nqoyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0F5E71.3090408@bibleseven.com>

It seems to me that he postulates a straw man then knocks it down.

Commercial software and Libre software have nothing *legal* in common.

Commercial software is just that, commercial.

Someone creates it and decides that rather than give it away they will
sell the right to use it.  Nothing whatsoever wrong with that.  The
commercial software developer has to eat the same as the farmer, laborer,
manager, and preacher.

Libre software is free, as in salvation.

Someone creates it and chooses to give it away.  Nothing wrong with that.

I fail to comprehend why there is an argument.

No one has the right to acquire and use what I have created without my
permission, nor to make copies and give-away or sell copies - unless I
have explicitely given them permission to do so.  This is foundational to
a functional free-market economy.

No one has the right to profit from what I have created and have chosen to
give away, but they are free to distribute it without charge.  Also simple.

Did I miss anything?


 > Don Parris wrote:
>  And here's my recent post to a skeptic:
>  http://dcparris.net/2012/01/10/response-to-a-libre-software-skeptic/


-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Thu Jan 12 18:22:18 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:22:18 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
In-Reply-To: <19346150E7B97446A8F617AFFEB6EE3A4F94498E67@cmhnt5.cmhdo.org>
References: <CAGJ_FV_qmJWJNjVoxZ1ddHuku2pGYKh1wQagsGFa2+KwUtV5XA@mail.gmail.com>
	<19346150E7B97446A8F617AFFEB6EE3A4F94498E67@cmhnt5.cmhdo.org>
Message-ID: <4F0F6B2A.1010707@bibleseven.com>

Can you explain a little more, please?

"Organizers" - free for non-commercial use?

"Participants" - free for non-commercial or commercial use?

>  You could try BeamYourScreen. www.beamyourscreen.com
>  <http://www.beamyourscreen.com> It?s for Desktop Sharing and Online
>  Meetings. It works with Windows, Linux and Mac?s. The Participants
>  are always free.
>
>  Tim Richard
>  Robinson, IL


-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 19:19:39 2012
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:19:39 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
In-Reply-To: <CAGJ_FV_qmJWJNjVoxZ1ddHuku2pGYKh1wQagsGFa2+KwUtV5XA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV_qmJWJNjVoxZ1ddHuku2pGYKh1wQagsGFa2+KwUtV5XA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCF72E1V+p9WuCMDBLeyMijDPw6M6iDkfMFAgMpB2fzDTa9Ow@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Peter B. Steiger <
webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:

> My development team missed yet another meeting this morning because the
> meeting gateway (whatever that is) was down again.  Livemeeting is
> expensive, it's unreliable, and it's Microsoft.  So... obviously it would
> be best to replace it.  It's hard enough trying to coordinate meetings
>  between Dallas and India and Philippines when we are all awake at the same
> time without also dealing with bugs from Microsoft!
>
> What we need is remote meeting software that allows voice (video not
> necessary) conversations with multiple participants and the presenter can
> share his or her desktop.  The participants' client software unfortunately
> has to run on Windows, as does the presenter's, but if the server itself is
> Linux-based we can do that.  And if it's FOSS, so much the better :-)
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Peter B. Steiger
> Cheyenne, WY
> *PBS*
>

I have used WEBX http://www.webex.com/ with good results.  They charge $19
a month for eight (8) people and an unlimited number of meetings.  Don't
know what happens when the head count increases.  I haven't used it but
friends have told me of good results with GoTo Meeting.
http://www.gotomeeting.com/fec/  GoTo Meeting advertises on a number of pod
casts and if you check around you might get a discount for entering some
code when you sign up.




-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG      John 3:16  http://www.wa3fkg.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said requires "Windows XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Thu Jan 12 21:56:40 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 21:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Friday - Ephesians 1:17-21
Message-ID: <4F0F9D68.8090403@bibleseven.com>


    Friday


      Ephesians 1:17-21


1:17 I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, 
may give you spiritual wisdom and revelation in your growing knowledge 
of him,

1:18 -- since the eyes of your heart have been enlightened -- so that 
you may know what is the hope of his calling, what is the wealth of his 
glorious inheritance in the saints,

1:19 and what is the incomparable greatness of his power toward us who 
believe, as displayed in the exercise of his immense strength.

1:20 This power he exercised in Christ when he raised him from the dead 
and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms 1:21 far above 
every rule and authority and power and dominion and every name that is 
named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.



      Prayer


Lord, You are sovereign over life and death, even time itself. May I 
live in a proper awe of You Lord, an awe that produces an increased 
desire for growing spiritual maturity in my life.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul strongly encouraged his readers to seek after knowledge of the Lord 
God and prayed that He would bless their willingness to learn with 
"spiritual wisdom and revelation."


Wisdom was an attribute spoken of frequently in the Old Testament: "With 
God are wisdom and power; counsel and understanding are his" (Job 
12:13); "Fearing the Lord is the beginning of moral knowledge, but fools 
despise wisdom and instruction" (Prov. 1:7); "For the Lord gives wisdom, 
and from his mouth comes knowledge and understanding" (Prov. 2:6); "I 
will guide you in the way of wisdom and I will lead you in upright 
paths" (Prov. 4:11); "When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with 
humility comes wisdom"(Prov. 11:2). Reflecting on these verses, it is 
clear we should desire wisdom as much as God desires it for us.


"Revelation" may have more than one meaning. In 1 Corinthians 1:7 the 
context refers to 'knowledge': at one level certainty of the revelation 
of Christ's return in His full glory ("so that you do not lack any 
spiritual gift as you wait for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ") 
and, at another level, to insight or the discernment of truth from lies.


Some take Paul's use of "spiritual" to refer to a Charismatic gift or 
experiential event but there is nothing in the larger context to support 
such an interpretation.


In the use of "revelation" an apparent iconicity has been noted between 
our "being enlightened to know" compared to "the working of His strength 
and might."


In Genesis, the gift of "revelation" is promised as "the hope of His 
calling" cf. "raised Him from the dead" declared as "glory of His 
inheritance" cf. "seated Him in the Heavenly places" described as 
"greatness of His power" cf. "far above all rule and authority and power"



      Interaction


        Consider

It is not necessary for everyone to go to a Bible College or a seminary, 
some of those who have done so were not ready when they did, and others 
attended where they were taught bad doctrine; but somewhere -- 
preferably in our fellowships, large or small - we all need to get more 
clued-in as to spiritual wisdom and revelation.


        Discuss

What are some examples of thevalue of wisdom, acquired through the 
indwelling Holy Spirit, to equip us to discern and reject the many 
deceptions that the Enemy brings against us?


        Reflect

How have you responded to the Lord God's strong encouragement of us to 
seek after knowledge of Him, with the promise that He will bless our 
willingness to learn; specifically learning about spiritual wisdom and 
revelation.


        Share

When have you experienced or observed anexample where knowledge of the 
Word of God and possession of discernment of the Holy Spirit equipped 
you to discern and reject a deception, or to assist another believer in 
so doing?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you an area of your knowledge of 
spiritual wisdom or revelation that wants you to explore.


        Action:

Today I will invest more time in my knowledge of spiritual wisdom and 
revelation.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Saturday's text will be:


      Ephesians 1:22-23



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
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From just_mike_y at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 12 23:00:11 2012
From: just_mike_y at yahoo.com (Mike Hart)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:00:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
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We use gotomeeting at work and have lots of trouble with it.? it doesn't try to auto-recover once you lose the connection, you have to rejoin manually (and it's easy to lose sync when more people are on the meeting.)Rejoining manually (at least the way we use it) causes audible interruptions as you are announced again. 



________________________________
 From: Ken Sprouse <wa3fkg at gmail.com>
To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] I hate Livemeeting
 

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Peter B. Steiger <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:

My development team missed yet another meeting this morning because the meeting gateway (whatever that is) was down again. ?Livemeeting is expensive, it's unreliable, and it's Microsoft. ?So... obviously it would be best to replace it. ?It's hard enough trying to coordinate meetings ?between Dallas and India and Philippines when we are all awake at the same time without also dealing with bugs from Microsoft!
>
>
>What we need is remote meeting software that allows voice (video not necessary) conversations with multiple participants and the presenter can share his or her desktop. ?The participants' client software unfortunately has to run on Windows, as does the presenter's, but if the server itself is Linux-based we can do that. ?And if it's FOSS, so much the better :-)
>
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>
>Peter B. Steiger
>Cheyenne, WYPBS
I have used WEBX?http://www.webex.com/?with good results. ?They charge $19 a month for eight (8) people and an unlimited number of meetings. ?Don't know what happens when the head count increases. ?I haven't used it but friends have told me of good results with GoTo Meeting. ?http://www.gotomeeting.com/fec/? GoTo Meeting advertises on a number of pod casts and if you check around you might get a discount for entering some code when you sign up.




-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG? ? ? John 3:16 ?http://www.wa3fkg.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said requires "Windows XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
If handguns cause crime, mine is defective.?

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Jan 13 21:49:07 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:49:07 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Atheism, Inclusivism and Christianity
Message-ID: <4F10ED23.5000208@lightlink.com>

*Falwell Confidential*
by Jonathan Falwell

**


  Atheism, Inclusivism and Christianity**

An interesting squabble was stirred up a few days ago on New Year's Eve 
when singer Cee Lo Green sang the John Lennon song "Imagine" on NBC's 
holiday broadcast.  The humanist anthem, embraced by non-believers 
because of its urge for listeners to cast off belief in heaven, includes 
the lyric, "Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too."

However, Mr. Green took an opposite approach when he sang the song on 
the New Year's program, adopting the lyrics, "Nothing to kill or die 
for, and all religion's true."  His reinterpretation of the song was 
quickly greeted with criticism by American Atheist members who say Mr. 
Green "perverted" the lyrics and "completely distort[ed] the meaning and 
significance of the powerful song."

 From a biblical perspective, I would respectfully say to both sides of 
this argument that you both are tragically wrong.

In fact, while reading about this dispute over the Lennon song, I could 
not help but think of a great quote by the late theologian Francis 
Schaeffer, who said: "Truth always carries with it confrontation.  Truth 
demands confrontation; loving confrontation, nevertheless.  If our 
reflex action is always accommodation regardless of the centrality of 
the truth involved, there is something wrong."

And so, as Christians, we must say to the atheist and to those 
worshipping a diversity of beliefs that there is only one true and 
living God.  Recall that when Jesus conversed with the woman at the well 
in John chapter 4, she spoke of the Messiah.  He replied, "I that speak 
unto thee am he" (verse 26).  That message must be at the forefront of 
all we do and say when we are communicating with non-believers.

Our world has become such a haze of spirituality and total disbelief. 
  As I have pointed out before, so many people have no idea who Jesus 
is.  As such, they do not even have an understanding of the One in whom 
they do not believe.  Many are devout in believing nothing, while others 
are sincere in trying to piece together a patchwork of beliefs.  All the 
while, the one true God stands before them with open arms.

I am reminded of a passage in "John MacArthur's The Ultimate Priority, 
which says, "As Christians we accept one foundational truth -- God -- 
and everything else makes sense.  An atheist denies God and has to 
accept incredible explanations for everything else.

It takes more faith to deny God than to believe in Him."

That leaves Christians with the same responsibility that the Apostle 
Paul spoke of in Romans 1:16.  That passage reads, "For I am not ashamed 
of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to 
every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."  And 
like Paul, we must be wise in our faith and use the wisdom of Christ who 
is within us to call people unto Him.

Paul wrote these great words in Acts at a time when the persecution of 
believers was transpiring and much religious confusing was taking place 
within the culture, similar to today.  In our world, people continue to 
believe many things, my friends.  They hope to find peace and a reason 
for being, but they are ignoring the very One who can fill the empty 
hole in their souls.  They thirst but do not find the Living Water of 
Jesus Christ.

Let us not be ashamed to call out to all --- no matter what they believe 
--- to a faith in Jesus Christ, the Living Savior who calls all men unto 
Himself.

-- 
"Gun control defined: The theory that people who are willing
to ignore laws against rape, torture, kidnapping, theft, and
murder will obey a law which prohibits them from owning a
firearm."

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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Fri Jan 13 20:34:43 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:34:43 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Ephesians 1:22-23
Message-ID: <4F10DBB3.3030202@bibleseven.com>


    Saturday


      Ephesians 1:22-23


1:22 And God put all things under Christ's feet, and he gave him to the 
church as head over all things.

1:23 Now the church is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.



      Prayer


Lord, You have called us together in-You, and You have equipped us 
through Your Word. May I be faithful in encouraging fellowship that is 
centered upon You my Lord God.



      Summary & Commentary


Paulremindedthechurchthateverything,andeveryBeliever,is"underChrist'sfeet"andthat"thechurchishisbody".


With"GodputallthingsunderChrist'sfeet"PaulpennedaninterestingparalleltoPsalm8,whereDavidpraisedthe 
Lord GodforgivingHisCreationtoman.Adam and 
Everebelled,everythingandeverybodycreatedwascursedbecauseofthem,andconsequentlySatanbecametherulerorprinceofthefallenworld(seeJohn16:11).YetwereadinDaniel12:1,"Michaelthegreatprince[atypeofJesustheChrist]whoprotectsyourpeoplewillarise."


ThenPaulwrote,"Hegavehimtothechurchasheadoverallthings."[All 
Believersmustchoosetobe,as theyinherentlyare 
already,eternallysubmittedtoChrist,aswillalso 
be"thenewheavenandnewearth"(Rev.21:1).]


"Nowthechurchishisbody"remindsusthatBelievers,wherevertheyare,areaspiritualextension,orphysicalrepresentation,onearthofChristandthateverymemberisobligatedtoHimfortheirsalvationandthereforeowesHimalove-debtofservice.


PaulthendeclaredhowgreatisthereachofthepresenceofChrist,"thefullnessofhimwhofillsallinall."HeremindedhisreadersagainthatHeisGod,thatHeholdstogetherallofcreation(seeCol.1:15),andthatHeas 
theHolySpiritisineverybeliever.



      Interaction


        Consider

The Lord 
GodisnotpleasedwithcarelessChristianswhoattendafellowshipoutofguiltorsocialobligationorsuperstition,orforentertainmentorbusinessorsocialnetworking.Believers 
must 
getseriousaboutbeingteachable,aboutsettingnewGod-directedpriorities,andaboutmakingchoicesthataremoreintentionally-Biblical.


        Discuss

What is an illustration of"submissiontoChrist"in such a way as to 
providea"container"ofloveandvaluewithinwhichwelive,andasenseofprotectionandpurpose,asHeisourOnetrueand 
perfectKing.


        Reflect

ThewonderfultruththatJesusisinchargeandnotmerehumans,that"TheChurch"(Believers)reporttoHimandnotto 
mereman,andthetrue"Church"isHisearthlyexpressionthroughusthroughthepowerandwisdomoftheHolySpiritandthateverymemberhastheprivilegeofgivingbacktoHimalove-debtofservice.


        Share

Whenhave 
youmadeadecisionaboutafellowship,oralevelofparticipationinthatfellowship,thatwasnotbasedonyourowndiscipleship,servingothers,orsharedworshipbutwasinsteadduetosomelesserflesh-motivatedpurpose:seekingclients,seekingamate,seekingaccesstosomeonewithmoneyorpowerorprestige,seekingentertainment,seekingrecognition,orotherpurpose.HowdidGodshowyouyourerror?OrisHechallengingyouryourheart-motivationrightnow?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you something in your calendarand/or 
checkbookthat He wants you to submit more-intentionally toHispriorities.


        Action:

Today I will 
partnerwithHisHolySpiritinbecomingmoreteachableinheartandinmindandIwillbeamoreintentionalmemberofthecommunityofbelieverswhichisHisChurch.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________


Sunday's text will be:  Ephesians 2:1-3



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sat Jan 14 20:23:51 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:23:51 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Sunday - Ephesians 2:1-3
Message-ID: <4F122AA7.6020906@bibleseven.com>


*Ephesians 2*


*Chapter Introduction*


The Apostle Paul, having reminded his readers of the glory and promises 
of God, as well as our need for His grace and provision, moves on to our 
new standing before God, both as individuals and, corporately, as a 
family of Believers.


When the daily challenges of life confront us, our fleshy nature tends 
to move us to anger or depression in response to fear.


In books and movies like Harry Potter, young people turn to witchcraft 
for magical powers. In the crass movie Wanted a young man, trapped in 
what he sees as a dead-end job as an "account manager" under the 
tyrannical supervision of an arbitrary and demanding boss, invents a 
persona of rebellion and re-creates the story of his life. In his 
fantasy he is the heir to the "magical" powers of his murdered father, 
is recruited by an organization supposedly directed by fate to execute 
bad people, is befriended by a beautiful and deadly woman, endures 
severe injuries as part of his training, is "magically" cured, and goes 
on to be the hero of the story. He then returns to his job, where he 
righteously exacts revenge on all who "deserve it."


Which of us has not dreamed of such glorious "get-evens"? Of what are we 
afraid: Failure, pain, insignificance? In what or whom shall we trust: 
Government, magic, money, power, God?

In Wanted the gang of mercenaries is presented as a family with a home 
that looked like a castle. Each had power, privilege, and purpose. They 
were never alone, backed up one another, were provided with the best of 
everything, and acted in ways designed to change the world.

Are we not who we are as a result of Whose we are? Do we not therefore 
have exceptional power, privilege, and purpose? And are we ever really 
alone? Do we back up one another? Are we provided with what we truly 
need? Do we act in ways that change our world?



    Sunday


      Ephesians 2:1-3


New Life Individually

2:1 And although you were dead in your transgressions and sins,

2:2 in which you formerly lived according to this world's present path, 
according to the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the ruler of the 
spirit that is now energizing the sons of disobedience,

2:3 among whom all of us also formerly lived out our lives in the 
cravings of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and the mind, 
and were by nature children of wrath even as the rest...



      Prayer


Lord, You have offered us rescue from destruction, because the enemies 
deception constantly leads humankind into sin. May I be careful to test 
every influence to be certain that it if of-You and not of-the enemy.



      Summary & Commentary


Who we were is no longer who we are "in Christ".


Paul began by setting up the context "... you were dead in your 
transgressions and sins ...", the he paused a moment to let that sink in.


Paul continued with a checklist of their circumstances:


1. "... in which you formally [or previously] lived ..."

2. "... according to this world's present path ..."

3. "... according to the ruler of the kingdom of the air ..." [Air is 
created, Satan temporarily rules due to the Fall.]

4. "... according to the ruler of the spirit ..." [Pre-salvation our 
spirit is accessible by Satan.]

5. "... that is now energizing the sons of disobedience ..." [From Adam 
and Eve on, all are sons - and daughters - of disobedience absent 
salvation.]

6. "... among whom all of us also formerly lived out our lives ..."

7. "... in the cravings of our flesh ..."

8. "... indulging the desires of the flesh and the mind ..."

9. "... and were by nature children of wrath ..." [God's wrath for 
rebellion against Him.]

10. "... even as the rest ..."



      Interaction


        Consider

The nature of our pre-salvation selves was, eternally-spiritually dead.


        Discuss

How enlightening is it for you to personalize the checklist of Paul with 
your life story?


        Reflect

What are some obvious evidences of evil in modern society as listed by Paul?


        Share

When have you been confronted by an unsaved person who is unwittingly 
enslaved as Paul described?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to give you the opportunity to gently show these 
verses to an unsaved person whose respect and trust you have previously 
earned.


        Action:

Today I will share as the Holy Spirit guides and ask if the person sees 
any parallels between their lives and what Paul described. I will do so 
humbly and respectfully, I will not condemn or pressure them, I will 
merely engage a conversation and allow the Holy Spirit to be in control.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Monday's text will be:


      Ephesians 2:4-9



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
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From just_mike_y at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 14 22:58:48 2012
From: just_mike_y at yahoo.com (Mike Hart)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:58:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Atheism, Inclusivism and Christianity
References: <4F10ED23.5000208@lightlink.com> 
Message-ID: <1326599928.20491.YahooMailNeo@web161220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

There's a viral video flying around facebook (10,000,000 hits in less than a week.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY

I've always tried to stay focused on JESUS and let the "Pharasytes" practice their religiosity.? Jesus commanded not to interfere with others using his name.

I personally hear the tones of the above Video in Lennon's song "Imagine."? The line doesn't disclaim Jesus, but the organizations that try to monetize and rulify themselves into the position of authority that rightly belongs to Jesus himself.? The history of the Beatle's is colored dark grey, and I'm not suggesting it ever play on Christian radio. At the same time,? I don't see it as being Anti-Christian, but as a lamentation of a lost soul showing angst against the pharisee's that are personally in between him and Jesus.? Much of Ecclesiastes is a similar lamentation.? It's sad that John didn't come to the same conclusion as the teacher in Ecc. 


I think Lennon himself would rail against it being used as a platform song for Atheism.? The song itself is about togetherness and oneness: Atheism at it's core is about self.? The very idea that song is aligned with Atheism is a corruption of the lyrics as they were originally written. 
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From raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za  Sun Jan 15 08:41:59 2012
From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:41:59 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] Recycling Computers for Christ
Message-ID: <4F12D7A7.7020305@saturnlaboratories.co.za>

Hey guys,

I wrote a blog post this week, and I thought I'd highlight it to the 
mailing list.

A group of guys in Cheyenne and Laramie, WY recycles freely given "worn" 
computers, wipes hard drives, tests hardware, mixes-n-matches parts, 
installs Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and various Christian-related applications and 
gives them back out for free.

You can read more about it here:
http://christianoss.org/blog/2012/01/10/recycling-computers-christ

-- 
Raoul Snyman, B.Tech IT (Software Engineering)
Saturn Laboratories
m: 082 550 3754
e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za
w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za
b: blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za

From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Sun Jan 15 10:40:14 2012
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (Lincoln Fessenden)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:40:14 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Recycling Computers for Christ
In-Reply-To: <4F12D7A7.7020305@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
References: <4F12D7A7.7020305@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
Message-ID: <20120115154014.GA10048@sasquatch>

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 03:41:59PM +0200, Raoul Snyman wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> I wrote a blog post this week, and I thought I'd highlight it to the
> mailing list.
> 
> A group of guys in Cheyenne and Laramie, WY recycles freely given
> "worn" computers, wipes hard drives, tests hardware, mixes-n-matches
> parts, installs Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and various Christian-related
> applications and gives them back out for free.
> 
> You can read more about it here:
> http://christianoss.org/blog/2012/01/10/recycling-computers-christ
> 
> -- 
> Raoul Snyman, B.Tech IT (Software Engineering)
> Saturn Laboratories
> m: 082 550 3754
> e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za
> w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za
> b: blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians

Great!  Also check out http://freelinuxbox.org !!

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...


From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Sun Jan 15 11:15:38 2012
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:15:38 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Recycling Computers for Christ
In-Reply-To: <4F12D7A7.7020305@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
References: <4F12D7A7.7020305@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
Message-ID: <CAGJ_FV8gq_12b+-uSNcN_c_Z3GHv0SAT4K5j5Sxbqb_jLftovA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes!  I met them at the Mighty Men of God conference a couple of years ago
and I try to tell all my Cheyenne and Laramie friends about them.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Raoul Snyman <
raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I wrote a blog post this week, and I thought I'd highlight it to the
> mailing list.
>
> A group of guys in Cheyenne and Laramie, WY recycles freely given "worn"
> computers, wipes hard drives, tests hardware, mixes-n-matches parts,
> installs Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and various Christian-related applications and
> gives them back out for free.
>
> You can read more about it here:
> http://christianoss.org/blog/**2012/01/10/recycling-**computers-christ
>
>
How did you find out about them?  Your address doesn't sound very close to
Wyoming.

Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
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From raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za  Sun Jan 15 12:38:02 2012
From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:38:02 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] Recycling Computers for Christ
In-Reply-To: <CAGJ_FV8gq_12b+-uSNcN_c_Z3GHv0SAT4K5j5Sxbqb_jLftovA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F12D7A7.7020305@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
	<CAGJ_FV8gq_12b+-uSNcN_c_Z3GHv0SAT4K5j5Sxbqb_jLftovA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F130EFA.7090902@saturnlaboratories.co.za>

On 15/01/2012 18:15, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
> How did you find out about them?  Your address doesn't sound very close
> to Wyoming.

They came across my Christians in OSS blog, and sent me an e-mail 
telling me about themselves. So then I replied and did the little 
interview with them, cause it was a great opportunity for both them and 
myself.

-- 
Raoul Snyman, B.Tech IT (Software Engineering)
Saturn Laboratories
m: 082 550 3754
e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za
w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za
b: blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za

From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sun Jan 15 19:22:19 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Monday - Ephesians 2:4-9
Message-ID: <4F136DBB.5010306@bibleseven.com>


    Monday


      Ephesians 2:4-9


2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which 
he loved us,

2:5 even though we were dead in transgressions, made us alive together 
with Christ -- by grace you are saved! --

2:6 and he raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly 
realms in Christ Jesus, 2:7 to demonstrate in the coming ages the 
surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from 
yourselves, it is the gift of God;

2:9 it is not from works, so that no one can boast.



      Prayer


Lord, You provided for our salvation even when not one was fit to be 
saved, and You ask for nothing but surrender-through-faith in return.



      Summary & Commentary


We are "saved by grace" because we could never have been saved through 
Works alone. The Lord God "sees" us through eyes of grace - the eyes of 
Jesus Christ.


Paul continued his explanation of how and why God has acted to redeem us:


God is "... rich in mercy ..."

"... because of His great love ..."

"... with which He loved us ..."

"... even though we were dead in transgressions ..."

"... made us alive together with Christ ..."

"... by grace you are saved!"

"... and He raised us up with Him ..."

"... and seated us with Him ..."

"... in the Heavenly realms ..."

"... in Christ Jesus ..."

"... to demonstrate in the coming ages ..." [God allows imperfection, 
the result of rebellion, to continue because He knows that there remain 
many who can and will make a choice for faith and wants to give them 
that chance - He does not force the choice because then it is not genuine.]

"... the surpassing wealth of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ 
Jesus."


Paul continued with a clarification of how saving faith is actualized:


"For by grace you are saved though faith ..." [Faith is an act of the 
will, a 100% surrender of free will.]

"... and this is not from yourselves ..."

"... it is the gift of God ..."

"... it is not from works ..."

"... so that no one can boast."



      Interaction


        Consider

The amazing truth that the Lord God chooses to love us and chooses to 
show His love through the gift of grace that is our salvation.


        Discuss

What does each element of Paul's summary mean to you? Can you recall a 
parallel passage elsewhere in the Bible?


        Reflect

"Works" cannot earn salvation, salvation was only made possible by the 
gift of God and may only be received by accepting the Lordship of Christ 
- surrendering everything else, the entire world and our free will.


        Share

How did the absence of a demand for works-righteousness, by the Lord 
God, help to lead you to choose to surrender in faith?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you someone whom He has prepared to 
heat His Gospel.


        Action:

Today I will share the truths of these verses with someone "considering 
Christ" and/or with a fellow believer who would be blessed and 
encouraged to revisit their salvation.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Tuesday


      Ephesians 2:10



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
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From proyectopuente at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 16 01:21:14 2012
From: proyectopuente at hotmail.com (Esteban Wilson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:21:14 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] Somebody know where I can get a good Linux
 tablet?
In-Reply-To: <4F07BD9E.1000507@lightlink.com>
References: <4F07BD9E.1000507@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W1884097ACA4946E61A23F6D9830@phx.gbl>


Dear friends and brethren,

I am looking for a tablet of some kind. My dear wife, daughter and son all have Ipads, so I have tried them many times, and have an extreme dislike for these tablets as a system, plus the fact that it nearly impossible to connect any kind of storage media to them.

I have been using my little Acer Aspire One, with the 8.9" screen for about four years now. I have the optonal 9-hour battery, which now only last 7.5. I have Windows XP (a slug) and LinuxMint (very fast!) on it. I have also up-graded to a 500-Gig hard drive. 

I am looking at tablets as I do not like the screen standing up between me and my students. I also am looking forward to not having to wait for the machine to boot up (instant on).

Here are some of my ideas, but I am certainly open to any suggestions. New or used will be considered.
 
1. I am looking for something maybe around 9-11" in screen size.
2. I do a lot of teaching in leadership conferences and seminaries, as much as 7 hours a day, so I would love an all-day (8-10 hours) battery life.
3. Prefer Linux, but might also consider Android.
4. I need easy connection to media, such as a USB port or card reader to transfer many large files back and forth.

 I will be preaching in McKinney, Texas this week, if somebody is in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, or know a place there that sells something like that.

Thanks in advance!

Bro Steve, San Juan del R?o, Quer?taro, Mexico
 		 	   		  
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 09:47:54 2012
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:47:54 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Somebody know where I can get a good Linux
	tablet?
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-W1884097ACA4946E61A23F6D9830@phx.gbl>
References: <4F07BD9E.1000507@lightlink.com>
	<SNT124-W1884097ACA4946E61A23F6D9830@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJeShmXu4UtX6DZiM+X1ZutQPiOXQ2sEpOHg_MJqELRGUcWRiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Android is your best bet.  I have an EeePd Transformer and like it.  The
Transformer Prime is awesome.

For pure Linux, I would look at the Lenovo S10-3T.  It has a touch screen
and keyboard.  The only thing is on screen keyboards are really lacking on
Linux that isn't Android.
On Jan 16, 2012 1:21 AM, "Esteban Wilson" <proyectopuente at hotmail.com>
wrote:

>  Dear friends and brethren,
>
> I am looking for a tablet of some kind. My dear wife, daughter and son all
> have Ipads, so I have tried them many times, and have an extreme dislike
> for these tablets as a system, plus the fact that it nearly impossible to
> connect any kind of storage media to them.
>
> I have been using my little Acer Aspire One, with the 8.9" screen for
> about four years now. I have the optonal 9-hour battery, which now only
> last 7.5. I have Windows XP (a slug) and LinuxMint (very fast!) on it. I
> have also up-graded to a 500-Gig hard drive.
>
> I am looking at tablets as I do not like the screen standing up between me
> and my students. I also am looking forward to not having to wait for the
> machine to boot up (instant on).
>
> Here are some of my ideas, but I am certainly open to any suggestions. New
> or used will be considered.
>
> 1. I am looking for something maybe around 9-11" in screen size.
> 2. I do a lot of teaching in leadership conferences and seminaries, as
> much as 7 hours a day, so I would love an all-day (8-10 hours) battery life.
> 3. Prefer Linux, but might also consider Android.
> 4. I need easy connection to media, such as a USB port or card reader to
> transfer many large files back and forth.
>
>  I will be preaching in McKinney, Texas this week, if somebody is in the
> Dallas/Fort Worth area, or know a place there that sells something like
> that.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bro Steve, San Juan del R?o, Quer?taro, Mexico
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Mon Jan 16 18:55:44 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 18:55:44 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Tuesday - Ephesians 2:10
Message-ID: <4F14B900.1020907@bibleseven.com>


    Tuesday


      Ephesians2:10


2:10Forwearehisworkmanship,havingbeencreatedinChristJesusforgoodworksthatGodpreparedbeforehandsowemaydothem.



      Prayer


Lord,Yourescued us from the eternal spiritual junkyard to which we were 
condemned by our first ancestors, Adam and Eve. May we, as believers, 
celebrate Your rescue through lives sold-out to You.



      Summary&Commentary


Godhasapurposeandaplanforeachofus:Weareto"partner"withHimandinviteHimtodowhateverHehastodotoshapeusintousefulservantsofHisperfectwill.


"ForweareHisworkmanship..."[Goddoesnotmakeanythingimperfect-AdamandEvemadeus 
into junk -- Jesus will restore us to "design specs" in Heaven. Rom 5:15]

"...havingbeencreatedinChristJesus..."[Or,re-created,"madenew". 1Cor. 15:22]

"...forgoodworks..."[Thisispost-salvation.]

"...thatGodpreparedbeforehand..."[HewantedAdam&Evetostaycleananddothis.

Rom. 5:12]

"...sothatwemaydothem."[WeareallowedtochoosetoserveGodwellorpoorly.]



      Interaction


        Consider

Despite the failure of Adam & Eve the Lord God provided a way that we 
might return to what He had planned for them before the Fall and to 
begin-again that relationship, this time "farming" and "fishing" for a 
spiritual harvest and catch.


        Discuss

What are some teachings elsewhere in the Bible as to what "works" God 
expects of His children? (Hint: Fruits of the spirit, telling His-story, 
loving fellow believers, using our gifts fully.)


        Reflect

There has been an amazing change in you before and after salvation, how 
your self-image was transformed (or should have been) from a slave to 
the world to a child of God in a love-relationship with the Creator-God 
of everything.


        Share

What is anexample of serving the Lord God through good works, as a 
believer, in your life?



      FaithinAction


        Prayer:

AsktheHolySpirittoreveal to you someone whom He has led to 
'consider-Christ'.


        Action:

TodayIwilltell someone who is "considering Christ" my story of before 
and after salvation. I will not pressure them to make any sort of 
decision but will pray for them to choose Christ.


        BeSpecific______________________________________________________



    Wednesday's text will be:


      Ephesians2:11--13



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
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From proyectopuente at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 16 21:33:55 2012
From: proyectopuente at hotmail.com (Esteban Wilson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:33:55 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] Somebody know where I can get a good Linux
 tablet?
In-Reply-To: <CAJeShmXu4UtX6DZiM+X1ZutQPiOXQ2sEpOHg_MJqELRGUcWRiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F07BD9E.1000507@lightlink.com>,
	<SNT124-W1884097ACA4946E61A23F6D9830@phx.gbl>,
	<CAJeShmXu4UtX6DZiM+X1ZutQPiOXQ2sEpOHg_MJqELRGUcWRiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W8C25CAE550BC7FD1A008DD9800@phx.gbl>


Thanks, Brother Joel!Bro Steve, 
San Juan del R?o, Quer?taro, Mexico 		 	   		  
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From just_mike_y at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 16 22:39:18 2012
From: just_mike_y at yahoo.com (Michael Hart)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:39:18 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Somebody know where I can get a good Linux
 tablet?
In-Reply-To: <CAJeShmXu4UtX6DZiM+X1ZutQPiOXQ2sEpOHg_MJqELRGUcWRiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F07BD9E.1000507@lightlink.com>
	<SNT124-W1884097ACA4946E61A23F6D9830@phx.gbl>
	<CAJeShmXu4UtX6DZiM+X1ZutQPiOXQ2sEpOHg_MJqELRGUcWRiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F14ED66.2010101@yahoo.com>

If you're shopping for android, I recommend either the B&N nook or 
Amazon K-Fire. If you're shopping for DIY linux and want to hack, I 
Strongly recomment the B&N nook since it has SD card and (the possibly 
to have an alternate OS on that, while the nook/android OS sits in 
internal memory).  That is, you can hack it with only a low to medium 
risk of turning it into a coaster.

I read this weekend about Astak linux tablets.  they're pretty cheap 
right now (<< 100.00) but they're also orphanware too.   If you're 
feeling courageous it's ~60.00 to play.  I wanted one for e-ink reasons, 
but the images all show a color screen.  I'm still looking for a linux 
(not Google) based e-ink tablet that will run Apps like an integrated to 
do list and alarm/email enabled calendar. touch isn't as important as a 
3-4week battery to me.  Deployments can put me away from a power outlet 
longer than an android can survive. :-))

On 1/16/2012 8:47 AM, Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
>
> Android is your best bet.  I have an EeePd Transformer and like it.  
> The Transformer Prime is awesome.
>
> For pure Linux, I would look at the Lenovo S10-3T.  It has a touch 
> screen and keyboard.  The only thing is on screen keyboards are really 
> lacking on Linux that isn't Android.
>
> On Jan 16, 2012 1:21 AM, "Esteban Wilson" <proyectopuente at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:proyectopuente at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear friends and brethren,
>
>     I am looking for a tablet of some kind. My dear wife, daughter and
>     son all have Ipads, so I have tried them many times, and have an
>     extreme dislike for these tablets as a system, plus the fact that
>     it nearly impossible to connect any kind of storage media to them.
>
>     I have been using my little Acer Aspire One, with the 8.9" screen
>     for about four years now. I have the optonal 9-hour battery, which
>     now only last 7.5. I have Windows XP (a slug) and LinuxMint (very
>     fast!) on it. I have also up-graded to a 500-Gig hard drive.
>
>     I am looking at tablets as I do not like the screen standing up
>     between me and my students. I also am looking forward to not
>     having to wait for the machine to boot up (instant on).
>
>     Here are some of my ideas, but I am certainly open to any
>     suggestions. New or used will be considered.
>
>     1. I am looking for something maybe around 9-11" in screen size.
>     2. I do a lot of teaching in leadership conferences and
>     seminaries, as much as 7 hours a day, so I would love an all-day
>     (8-10 hours) battery life.
>     3. Prefer Linux, but might also consider Android.
>     4. I need easy connection to media, such as a USB port or card
>     reader to transfer many large files back and forth.
>
>      I will be preaching in McKinney, Texas this week, if somebody is
>     in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, or know a place there that sells
>     something like that.
>
>     Thanks in advance!
>
>     Bro Steve, San Juan del R?o, Quer?taro, Mexico
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Linux4christians mailing list
>     Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>     <mailto:Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
>     http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Tue Jan 17 13:25:52 2012
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:25:52 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
Message-ID: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>

I finally convinced my wife it was silly to set up our old landline
handsets to use as intercoms in the house when we could just use Skype to
get my attention while she's at one end of the house and I'm at the other.
 She really got into Skype, and she enjoys the webcam aspect of
face-to-face chat.

But my Linux box is an old desktop system, no webcam.  Just to humor the
missus I'm going to get something to stick on the top of my monitor.  Any
of y'all use external (preferably USB) webcams that you can tell me good or
bad experiences getting it to work with Linux?  I'm on Arch Linux with
kernel 3.1.5.something, xorg 1.1.something, and Gnome 3.2.something if that
makes a difference.

Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Tue Jan 17 14:46:05 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:46:05 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F15CFFD.8080606@bibleseven.com>

We have a couple of clip-on USB 2.0 ArkMicro Web cams
that worked OK under Fluppy 013 (not sure of the camera
app that was in that) but they are not being recognized by
gphoto2.

They have built-in LED lights and worked well ... when they
were recognized.

They are recognized in Skype under both Fluppy and Puppy
dpup 5x9.

You might check with the list of supported devices in Arch
to see if it is supported.  They are very inexpensive online.

I will ask on the Puppy Linux forum if anyone knows why
gphoto2 is failing to recognize this Webcam and report back.

> I finally convinced my wife it was silly to set up our old landline 
> handsets to use as intercoms in the house when we could just use Skype 
> to get my attention while she's at one end of the house and I'm at the 
> other.  She really got into Skype, and she enjoys the webcam aspect of 
> face-to-face chat.
>
> But my Linux box is an old desktop system, no webcam.  Just to humor 
> the missus I'm going to get something to stick on the top of my 
> monitor.  Any of y'all use external (preferably USB) webcams that you 
> can tell me good or bad experiences getting it to work with Linux? 
>  I'm on Arch Linux with kernel 3.1.5.something, xorg 1.1.something, 
> and Gnome 3.2.something if that makes a difference.
>
> Peter B. SteigerCheyenne, WY
> /*PBS*/
>

-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Tue Jan 17 16:04:00 2012
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:04:00 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <4F15CFFD.8080606@bibleseven.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F15CFFD.8080606@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <4F15E240.2010705@lavabit.com>


>
>> I finally convinced my wife it was silly to set up our old landline 
>> handsets to use as intercoms in the house when we could just use 
>> Skype to get my attention while she's at one end of the house and I'm 
>> at the other.  She really got into Skype, and she enjoys the webcam 
>> aspect of face-to-face chat.
>>
>> But my Linux box is an old desktop system, no webcam.  Just to humor 
>> the missus I'm going to get something to stick on the top of my 
>> monitor.  Any of y'all use external (preferably USB) webcams that you 
>> can tell me good or bad experiences getting it to work with Linux? 
>>  I'm on Arch Linux with kernel 3.1.5.something, xorg 1.1.something, 
>> and Gnome 3.2.something if that makes a difference.
>>
>> Peter B. SteigerCheyenne, WY
>> /*PBS*/
>>
>
Linux webcam support has gotten really good in the last few years, so 
it'll probably be easier to find one that works now than it was in the past.
There are still some chipsets that aren't supported, so you'll have to 
do a little research, but the ones that are usually work well.

That said, our house has two webcams:
One a generic Z-star Microelectronics webcam that came with an animation 
kit my son got for Christmas a few years ago.
Flimsy and cheap, but it works well and gives typical webcam picture 
quality.
It runs a ZC0303 chipset, which is supported by the gspca_zc3xx kernel 
module.
The other is a generic webcam (I'll get the model/chipset later) from 
the computer stuff aisle at the local Rite-Aid (approximately 20 bucks).
Works well and has a better quality picture than the first one.

Both work just fine on my 64-bit Debian Wheezy install.
The first one didn't work so well on my former Xubuntu 9.10 (64-bit as 
well).

Neither of them could take pictures that I'd be proud to put in the 
family photo album (remember those?) but for Skype-ing across the house, 
they'll do just fine.
I wish I could recommend a specific camera manufacturer, but even within 
a given line, many different chipsets may be used.
Caveat Emptor...

-Eddy


From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Tue Jan 17 18:37:57 2012
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:37:57 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <4F15CFFD.8080606@bibleseven.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F15CFFD.8080606@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <4F160655.60406@lavabit.com>

OK, I just checked and the second camera I mentioned is a TechUniverse 
TU1513 USB2.0 webcam.
Don't know the chipset, but the hardware is handled by the uvcvideo 
kernel module.
http://www.techuniverseproducts.com/products

Like I said, available frome Rite-Aid for about 20 bucks.

-Eddy
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From d.kuntadi at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 20:05:24 2012
From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:05:24 +0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHXzO4m07Jmo-7yT0t8A_1grdOt+RFh5yxkDKxpN76ri198HZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Peter B. Steiger
<webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:
> But my Linux box is an old desktop system, no webcam. ?Just to humor the
> missus I'm going to get something to stick on the top of my monitor. ?Any of
> y'all use external (preferably USB) webcams that you can tell me good or bad
> experiences getting it to work with Linux? ?I'm on Arch Linux with kernel
> 3.1.5.something, xorg 1.1.something, and Gnome 3.2.something if that makes a
> difference.

Just bring a laptop with linux and skype installed, bring it to the
shop and test it on the spot before you buy. I did that when I bought
my webcam and the shop allow me to test it before I buy.

DK

From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Tue Jan 17 20:24:14 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] =?windows-1252?q?B7_-_Wednesday_-_Ephesians_2?=
	=?windows-1252?q?=3A11=9613?=
Message-ID: <4F161F3E.8080500@bibleseven.com>


    Wednesday


      Ephesians2:11?13

NewLifeCorporately

2:11Thereforerememberthatformerlyyou,theGentilesintheflesh? 
whoarecalled?uncircumcision? bytheso-called?circumcision? 
thatisperformedonthebodybyhumanhands?

2:12thatyouwereatthattimewithouttheMessiah,alienatedfromthecitizenshipofIsraelandstrangerstothecovenantsofpromise,havingnohopeandwithoutGodintheworld.

2:13ButnowinChristJesusyouwhousedtobefarawayhavebeenbroughtnearbythebloodofChrist.



      Prayer


Lord,Youhave made Your redemption of humankind available to anyone who 
surrenders to the Lordship of Christ, regardless of age, gender, 
national origin, or race. May I remember to refuse to treat people 
differently based on anything - other than the only thing that matters - 
their relationship with You.



      Summary&Commentary


Wehavenowbecome"aliens"in 
thisfallenworld,whoseprinceisSatan.WeareinsteadguaranteedeternalcitizenshipinHeavenwithourLordandKing!


PaulbeganbyspeakingtotheGentiles,remindingthemthattheylackedtheJewishhopeofaMessiah,andwerelabeled"uncircumcised"bythosewhoassociatedritualcircumcisionwithworks-salvation.


PaulthenremindedthemthattheyalsowerestrangerstotheknowledgeofGod,somethingtheJewsdidpossess.


ThePaulconcludedthatalthoughtheyhadbeen"faraway"they"...hadnowbeenbroughtnearbythebloodofChrist"andwere"inChristJesus"-peerswithallbelievers,JewandGentilealike.



      Interaction


        Consider

The double-gift of Christ to Gentiles, they (mostly "we"), not only 
gained the knowledge that a Messiah was needed and was coming, but the 
knowledge that He has come and He welcomes us now to His salvation-party 
as an honored guest - if we will but come in faith.


        Discuss

What are some ways that you were clueless and hopeless, in your life, as 
a result of unawareness of the promise of a Messiah?


        Reflect

What impact does the meaning of the Biblical phrases "brought near by 
the blood of Christ" and "in Christ Jesus" have upon you?


        Share

How would you explain the Biblical phrases "brought near by the blood of 
Christ" and "in Christ Jesus" with someone to whom they would be very 
foreign expressions and perhaps even unpleasant expressions?



      FaithinAction


        Prayer:

AsktheHolySpirittolead you to a Biblically-accurate but less 
religious-sounding explanation of the Biblical phrases "brought near by 
the blood of Christ" and "in Christ Jesus".


        Action:

TodayIwillshare my less "religious-sounding" explanation with someone 
who has not yet chosen Christ. I will ask a fellow believer to pray in 
agreement with me for wisdom and will share with that prayer-partner the 
outcome of my sharing.


        BeSpecific______________________________________________________



    Thursday's text will be:


      Ephesians2:14-16



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Tue Jan 17 22:17:08 2012
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 20:17:08 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <4F160655.60406@lavabit.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F15CFFD.8080606@bibleseven.com> <4F160655.60406@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <CAGJ_FV_Gr+zMPO5engiudUipLH2RMZJ+4TbuqfNMXXgOtn4G7w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks so much for doing all my legwork for me!

*PBS*

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Eddy Martin <hpp3 at lavabit.com> wrote:

> **
> OK, I just checked and the second camera I mentioned is a TechUniverse
> TU1513 USB2.0 webcam.
> Don't know the chipset, but the hardware is handled by the uvcvideo kernel
> module.
> http://www.techuniverseproducts.com/products
>
> Like I said, available frome Rite-Aid for about 20 bucks.
>
> -Eddy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
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From shengchieh at linuxwaves.com  Tue Jan 17 22:26:32 2012
From: shengchieh at linuxwaves.com (R Sheng-Chieh Cheng)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:26:32 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Somebody know where I can get a good Linux
	tablet?
Message-ID: <20120117192632.D4A38EEE@m0005299.ppops.net>

You're welcome to surf thru my website

http://shengchieh.50webs.com/tuxslinks.html
-> Retailers
-> Linux pre-installed vendors (including laptops)

While the looong list is geeared to desktop/laptop,
I'm sure there are tablets in thse link.

Sheng-Chieh

--- proyectopuente at hotmail.com wrote:

From: Esteban Wilson <proyectopuente at hotmail.com>
To: <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] Somebody know where I can get a good Linux tablet?
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:21:14 +0000


Dear friends and brethren,

I am looking for a tablet of some kind. My dear wife, daughter and son all have Ipads, so I have tried them many times, and have an extreme dislike for these tablets as a system, plus the fact that it nearly impossible to connect any kind of storage media to them.

I have been using my little Acer Aspire One, with the 8.9" screen for about four years now. I have the optonal 9-hour battery, which now only last 7.5. I have Windows XP (a slug) and LinuxMint (very fast!) on it. I have also up-graded to a 500-Gig hard drive. 

I am looking at tablets as I do not like the screen standing up between me and my students. I also am looking forward to not having to wait for the machine to boot up (instant on).

Here are some of my ideas, but I am certainly open to any suggestions. New or used will be considered.
 
1. I am looking for something maybe around 9-11" in screen size.
2. I do a lot of teaching in leadership conferences and seminaries, as much as 7 hours a day, so I would love an all-day (8-10 hours) battery life.
3. Prefer Linux, but might also consider Android.
4. I need easy connection to media, such as a USB port or card reader to transfer many large files back and forth.

 I will be preaching in McKinney, Texas this week, if somebody is in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, or know a place there that sells something like that.

Thanks in advance!

Bro Steve, San Juan del R?o, Quer?taro, Mexico
 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
Linux4christians mailing list
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http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians




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From shengchieh at linuxwaves.com  Tue Jan 17 22:30:40 2012
From: shengchieh at linuxwaves.com (R Sheng-Chieh Cheng)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:30:40 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
Message-ID: <20120117193040.D4A38E97@m0005299.ppops.net>

What I did is I went to Amazon, search for webcam, and
then read the reviews.  If you see the webcam works for
a distro, it probably will work fine for other distros
(at least the driver is floating around on the internet).
Also, confine yourself to plug-and-play webcams, not
one that needs a (window) driver.


--- webservant at trinitybclaramie.org wrote:

From: "Peter B. Steiger" <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org>
To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:25:52 -0700

I finally convinced my wife it was silly to set up our old landline
handsets to use as intercoms in the house when we could just use Skype to
get my attention while she's at one end of the house and I'm at the other.
 She really got into Skype, and she enjoys the webcam aspect of
face-to-face chat.

But my Linux box is an old desktop system, no webcam.  Just to humor the
missus I'm going to get something to stick on the top of my monitor.  Any
of y'all use external (preferably USB) webcams that you can tell me good or
bad experiences getting it to work with Linux?  I'm on Arch Linux with
kernel 3.1.5.something, xorg 1.1.something, and Gnome 3.2.something if that
makes a difference.

Peter B. Steiger
Cheyenne, WY
*PBS*


_______________________________________________
Linux4christians mailing list
Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians




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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 09:26:04 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:26:04 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <20120117193040.D4A38E97@m0005299.ppops.net>
References: <20120117193040.D4A38E97@m0005299.ppops.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ-7yonb=DmcG8cLRLjFLRQr6Ti3Kpc_JgN3DMH5ane4kjgS_w@mail.gmail.com>

It's hard to go wrong with Logitech, I should think.  I have one of their
webcams for my Dell Ubuntu desktop that has worked very well. A friend in
Germany and I could continue talking while I was pouring coffee in the
kitchen in my old (small-ish) apartment.  And the cam takes pretty good
stills, too.



On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 22:30, R Sheng-Chieh Cheng <
shengchieh at linuxwaves.com> wrote:

> What I did is I went to Amazon, search for webcam, and
> then read the reviews.  If you see the webcam works for
> a distro, it probably will work fine for other distros
> (at least the driver is floating around on the internet).
> Also, confine yourself to plug-and-play webcams, not
> one that needs a (window) driver.
>
>
> --- webservant at trinitybclaramie.org wrote:
>
> From: "Peter B. Steiger" <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org>
> To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
> Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:25:52 -0700
>
> I finally convinced my wife it was silly to set up our old landline
> handsets to use as intercoms in the house when we could just use Skype to
> get my attention while she's at one end of the house and I'm at the other.
>  She really got into Skype, and she enjoys the webcam aspect of
> face-to-face chat.
>
> But my Linux box is an old desktop system, no webcam.  Just to humor the
> missus I'm going to get something to stick on the top of my monitor.  Any
> of y'all use external (preferably USB) webcams that you can tell me good or
> bad experiences getting it to work with Linux?  I'm on Arch Linux with
> kernel 3.1.5.something, xorg 1.1.something, and Gnome 3.2.something if that
> makes a difference.
>
> Peter B. Steiger
> Cheyenne, WY
> *PBS*
>
>
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Wed Jan 18 10:37:28 2012
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:37:28 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-7yonb=DmcG8cLRLjFLRQr6Ti3Kpc_JgN3DMH5ane4kjgS_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120117193040.D4A38E97@m0005299.ppops.net>
	<CAJ-7yonb=DmcG8cLRLjFLRQr6Ti3Kpc_JgN3DMH5ane4kjgS_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F16E738.6070602@lavabit.com>

On 01/18/2012 06:26 AM, Don Parris wrote:
> It's hard to go wrong with Logitech, I should think.  I have one of 
> their webcams for my Dell Ubuntu desktop that has worked very well. A 
> friend in Germany and I could continue talking while I was pouring 
> coffee in the kitchen in my old (small-ish) apartment.  And the cam 
> takes pretty good stills, too.

I was going to suggest Logitech as well; their Quickcam series had a 
reputation as the "go-to" cam on Linux for a while, but some were a bit 
testy
I looked up a few of their newer models, and many, but not all, are 
compatible via the uvcvideo kernel module.
See the list here:
http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/

And here's a recent list of cameras supported by the gspca kernel module:
http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/video4linux/gspca.txt

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From ciamarie at my180.net  Wed Jan 18 11:28:19 2012
From: ciamarie at my180.net (Cia Watson)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:28:19 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Webcam recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGJ_FV8LA5nVQO2mQdK+g7zcFEwZST-PGAJaxqTgMnVf-6U=Lg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120118082819.50d6a3f0@amd3c.amd3c.cia>

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:25:52 -0700
"Peter B. Steiger" <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:

<snip> 
> But my Linux box is an old desktop system, no webcam.  Just to humor the
> missus I'm going to get something to stick on the top of my monitor.  Any
> of y'all use external (preferably USB) webcams that you can tell me good or
> bad experiences getting it to work with Linux?  I'm on Arch Linux with
> kernel 3.1.5.something, xorg 1.1.something, and Gnome 3.2.something if that
> makes a difference.

I use a Kodak Dual Webcam D101, it has a little tripod as well as a clip.
It's not high resolution, but it'll go up to 360p which is fine for my
bandwidth. I haven't really used it with skype, but it works fine with
guvcview. 

I'm using Debian Wheezy (testing) with kernel 3.1.0-1-amd64.


Cia W.
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Jan 18 21:06:28 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:06:28 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Microsoft goes public with plans for its new
	Windows 8 file system
Message-ID: <4F177AA4.6030503@lightlink.com>

Microsoft goes public with plans for its new Windows 8 file system 
<http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1116310362-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5>

Microsoft officials are sharing some details about the new ReFS file 
system that will debut first as part of Windows Server 8.

READ FULL STORY 
<http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1116310363-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5> 


-- 
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Wed Jan 18 22:26:27 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:26:27 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Thursday - Ephesians 2:14-16
Message-ID: <4F178D63.50209@bibleseven.com>


    Thursday


      Ephesians 2:14-16


2:14 For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who 
destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility,

2:15 when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees.

He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace,

2:16 and to reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by 
which the hostility has been killed.



      Prayer


Lord, You chose in the Garden of Eden to make a way to reconcile Your 
creation to you -- and despite our continued rebellion even since You 
have never wavered. May I be more like You every day, resolute in 
placing You first, resolved to draw nearer to You.



      Summary & Commentary


Through Jesus the Christ, the Lord God has abolished the demands of the 
Law upon man and has instead taken them upon Himself. The "people of the 
Law" (Jews) and those not of the "chosen tribe" are now forever one in 
Christ.


Paul described Christ as "our peace" because He "... made both groups 
[Gentiles and Jews] into one ..."


"... He nullified in His flesh the law of commandments in decrees." 
[Jesus took away the requirement of the Law that every person who ever 
sinned be condemned and replaced it with grace - which makes Him our 
righteousness instead of perfect Law-keeping.]


"He did this to create in Himself ..." [the body of believers; "The 
Church", exists as an adopted part of the Lord's family -- a unique 
intimacy of 'being'.]


"... one new man out of two ..." [Jew and Gentile, Law-keeper and 
Law-stranger.]


"... to reconcile them both in one body to God ..." [the body of 
believers; "The Church".]


"... through the Cross ..." [Where the power of death was broken for all 
who surrendered in faith, dying to the world and the dominion of Satan, 
being born anew in Christ.]


"... by which the hostility has been killed." [the curse at the Fall as 
recorded in Genesis.]



      Interaction


        Consider

The Lord God has given the incredible gift and sacrifice of Christ, 
taking our sins to the Cross and leaving them there - powerless - so 
that He might then offer us the perfect hope of salvation.


        Discuss

How do you express the proper Biblical definition of "The Church", the 
community of believers? How might use that clarification to draw fellow 
Christians away from an obsession with buildings and organizations and 
instead to relationship (with God) and purpose (in Christ)?


        Reflect

The dominion of Satan in the lives of the unsaved is broken and there is 
a new-found freedom experienced by children of God.


        Share

What is an example of the way Jesus bridges the gap of Jew and Gentile, 
old and young, male and female, as all recognize that their common 
definition, purpose, and value all comes from a common source?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you a fellow believer who will be 
edified and encouraged to learn of the most-Biblical definition of "The 
Church".


        Action:

Today I will encourage a fellow believer to reconsider the Biblical 
meaning of "The Church" and ask them to then prayerfully consider where 
the Enemy may have caused distraction and diversion in their 
relationship with God as the result of a non-Biblical definition of "The 
Church". I will commit to pray in agreement with them for wisdom as they 
walk through the process of adjusting their perspectives and priorities.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Friday's text will be:


      Ephesians 2:17-20



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Thu Jan 19 00:23:56 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] From openSuSE yesterday.
Message-ID: <4F17A8EC.40300@lightlink.com>

Members, contributors, friends, people.

End of January the US Congress will vote to pass two laws, the "PROTECT
IP Act" (PIPA) and the "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA). If these laws
pass they would enable copyright holders to get court orders against
websites accused of doing or facilitating copyright infringement. So far
so good, the openSUSE Project is against copyright violations.

We are a community that provides free and easy access to Free and Open
Source Software. We innovate, integrate, polish, document, distribute,
maintain and support one of the world's best Linux distributions. We are
working together in an open, transparent and friendly manner as part of
the worldwide Free and Open Source community. And in this community
there is no room for copyright abuses. This however does not mean that
the end justifies the means. We at openSUSE are opposed to the proposals
because we depend on our users to not only be able to freely and openly
contribute their code but also their opinion and other information. Why
that is threatened by these proposals, you can read over at the EFF[1],
or watch this video from Fight for the Future[2]

We hope the decision to blackout openSUSE.org will educate people around
the world about this issue that threatens the basics of the internet,
will make some US based contributors, friends and users contact their
representatives in congress and inspire others to join the strike.

The openSUSE Board

[1]
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/how-pipa-and-sopa-violate-white-house-principles-supporting-free-speech 

[2] http://vimeo.com/31100268

-- 
"Socialism is so bad a system that not even the Germans could
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Thu Jan 19 19:43:38 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Friday - Ephesians 2:17-20
Message-ID: <4F18B8BA.60503@bibleseven.com>


    Friday


      Ephesians 2:17-20


2:17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to 
those who were near,

2:18 so that through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

2:19 So then you are no longer foreigners and noncitizens, but you are 
fellow citizens with the saints and members of God's household,

2:20 because you have been built on the foundation of the apostles and 
prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone.



      Prayer


Lord, You made a way for us to benefit from Your 'cross of grace'. May I 
celebrate Your gift with a life sold-out to You.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul reminded the people that Jesus arose and "preached peace" so that 
all are welcomed to accept His gift through the Holy Spirit. He is the 
cornerstone upon which the apostles and the prophets built His Church.


He also reminded them that Jesus came and "preached peace" to both Jew 
and Gentile in order to bring them together in faith and together in the 
Holy Spirit.


Paul used again the term "saints" to describe "fellow citizens" and 
"members of God's household."


He further explained that who they were as believers was because they 
"have been built on the foundations of the apostles and prophets ..."


Then, Paul used another construction metaphor "... with Christ Jesus 
Himself as the cornerstone."



      Interaction


        Consider

The strong desire of Christ that His children be unified (based on 
Biblical Christian principles, not the invented parameters of man, such 
as "political correctness" or "speech censorship", which are intended to 
restrict the condemnation of sin).


        Discuss

The apostles and the prophets taught what was necessary to an adequate 
knowledge-base, and they demonstrated the power of the Holy Spirit to 
equip believers to be unified in the love of Christ; how is that 
explained and practiced in your fellowship?


        Reflect

Believers are blessed by a powerful sense of 'belonging' that comes from 
the Lord God calling us "saints" and "fellow citizens" and "members of 
God's household."


        Share

When have you observed genuine unity among believers that overcame, and 
or is overcoming, worldly divisions and fears?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you a new or troubled believer whom He 
desires to reach using you as His instrument of blessing.


        Action:

Today I will share the Lord God's priority that we be united in the love 
of Christ. I agree to pray in-agreement that they will partner with the 
Holy Spirit to purge any fear or misunderstandings that may stand in 
opposition to their full fellowship with their fellow believers.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Saturday's text will be:


      Ephesians 2:21-22



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Jan 20 00:29:37 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:29:37 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Big Business, Big Linux
Message-ID: <4F18FBC1.1010004@lightlink.com>


  Big Business, Big Linux

By Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols 
<http://www.zdnet.com/search?q=steven+j.+vaughan-nichols> | January 19, 
2012, 11:19am PST

Summary: IT funds may be short, but The Linux Foundation has found that 
companies are still investing in Linux for cloud computing, "Big Data," 
and greenfield deployments.

Linux has found a home for itself in the office. 
<http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/linux-tie.jpg>

Linux has found a home for itself in the office.

Will your business move to Windows 8 server 
<http://www.zdnet.com/topics/windows+8+server>? Will your office support 
iPads for work 
<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apples-ios-cited-as-the-most-popular-mobile-os-for-enterprise/67243>? 
I don't know. I do know that chances are your enterprise is very likely 
to increase its use of Linux.

According to new report by The Linux Foundation 
<http://www.linuxfoundation.org>, the nonprofit organization dedicated 
to accelerating the growth of Linux, "Linux Adoption Trends 2012: A 
Survey of Enterprise End Users 
<http://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linux-foundation/linux-adoption-trends-end-user-report-2012>," 
in a lousy IT economy Linux is still growing by leaps and bounds.

-- 
"Socialism is so bad a system that not even the Germans could
make it work".

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Jan 20 00:38:12 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:38:12 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Is the Linux Desktop actually growing?
Message-ID: <4F18FDC4.3090608@lightlink.com>

I use a Linux desktop. According to Google Analytics, 12% of the 
visitors to my various technology Web sites use Linux. Nevertheless, I 
know that on the traditional desktop, the vast majority of ordinary 
users are running Windows, and don't even get me started on "The Year of 
the Linux Desktop." It's not going to happen. But, and this is 
interesting, it appears that there is a slight upward trend in desktop 
Linux use.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/is-the-linux-desktop-actually-growing/10160 


-- 
"Socialism is so bad a system that not even the Germans could
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Fri Jan 20 21:29:25 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Ephesians 2:21-22
Message-ID: <4F1A2305.5040406@bibleseven.com>


    Saturday


      Ephesians 2:21-22


2:21 In him the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy 
temple in the Lord,
2:22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of 
God in the Spirit.



      Prayer


Lord, You have made every believer, and every fellowship of faithful 
believers a dwelling place where You make Your presence and Your plan 
known. May I seize every opportunity to "grow together" with like-minded 
intentional Biblical-Christians.



      Summary & Commentary


The Lord God draws together those who are His, building us into a "holy 
temple" and a "dwelling place of God in the Spirit".


Paul wrote "In Him ...", reminding them of the centrality of Christ to 
everything in the world of the believer.


He continued his construction metaphor "... the whole building ..." [The 
corporate commonality of believers.]


"... being joined together .." [Causing believers to live in Biblical 
unity is a process, not an event.]


"... grows into a holy temple ..." [Believers are purposed to worship 
God in everything that we think, say, and do.]


"... in the Lord ..." [The centrality of Christ again.]


"... in whom you are also being built together ..." [It is a community 
process.]


"... into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." [The Holy Spirit is 
our common bond.]



      Interaction


        Consider

It is critical to remember that Christ is in all and defines all and 
brings to all perspective and purpose and nothing we do as believers 
must ever be apart from Him as our center.


        Discuss

Why is there such a major problem with worldly things displacing Christ 
in our gatherings and in our separate daily walks?


        Reflect

The are many ways we can choose to enhance the centrality of Christ and 
to resist the distractions of the enemy.


        Share

When have you experienced or observed a community of believers either 
emphasizing Christ or allowing themselves to be distracted by something 
else. What was the result?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to show you a place in your walk, alone and in 
community, where you have allowed other things to displace Christ as the 
indispensable and irreplaceable center.


        Action:

Today I will cooperate with the Holy Spirit as He leads me back to a 
right place with Christ.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________


Sunday's text will be:  Ephesians 3:1-4



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Jan 20 23:29:25 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 23:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: MAMA'S BIBLE.
Message-ID: <4F1A3F25.8050506@lightlink.com>

MAMA'S BIBLE.

Four brothers left home and became successful doctors and lawyers.

One evening, they chatted after having dinner together. They discussed the 75th birthday gifts they were able to give their elderly mother who moved to Florida. The first said, "You know I had a big house built for Mama."

The second said, And I had a large theater built in the house."

The third said, "And I had my Mercedes dealer deliver an SL600 to her."

The fourth said, "You  know how Mama loved reading the Bible, and you know she can't read anymore because she can't see very well. I met this preacher who told me about a parrot who could recite the entire Bible. It took ten preachers almost 8 years to teach him. I had to pledge to contribute $50,000 a year for five years to the church, but it was worth it. Mama only has to name the chapter and verse, and the parrot will  recite it."

The other brothers were impressed. After the celebration Mama sent out her Thank You notes.

She wrote:

Milton, the house you built is so huge that I live in only one room, but I have to clean the whole house. Thanks anyway."

"Marvin, I am too old to travel. I stay home; I have my groceries delivered, so I never use the Mercedes. The thought was good. Thanks."

"Michael, you gave me an expensive theater with Dolby surround sound and it can hold 50 people, but all of my friends are dead, I've lost my hearing, and I'm nearly blind. I'll never use it. Thank you for the gesture just the same."

"Dearest Melvin, you were the only son to have the good sense to give a little thought to your gift. The chicken was delicious.
Thank you so much."

Love,
Mama

-- 
"Socialism is so bad a system that not even the Germans could
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sat Jan 21 21:43:50 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:43:50 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Sunday - Ephesians 3:1-4
Message-ID: <4F1B77E6.4020000@bibleseven.com>

*Ephesians 3*


*Chapter Introduction*


      Context from Ephesians 1 and 2


The Apostle Paul reminded his readers of the glory and promise of God, 
our need for His grace and provision, and our new standing before God, 
as both individuals and as a family of believers.



      Overview of Ephesians 3


Paul revisited the magnificence of God, the plan for Christ to create a 
Church of all believers, that the fruits of grace are to be shared, that 
discouragement due to suffering may be evidence of doubts about God's 
sovereignty, that faithfulness in suffering may be strong evidence of 
true salvation, and that we need to be in constant awe of the love and 
power and provision of God.



    Sunday


      Ephesians 3:1-4



Paul's Relationship to the Divine Mystery

3:1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake 
of you Gentiles --

3:2 if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace that was 
given to me for you,

3:3 that by revelation the divine secret was made known to me, as I 
wrote before briefly.

3:4 When reading this, you will be able to understand my insight into 
this secret of Christ.



      Prayer



Lord, Your revelation through Paul announced Your fulfillment of Your 
consistent promise to Adam and Eve, Abraham, and Moses.  May I be 
faithful to tell others.



      Summary & Commentary


Paul's revelation was that who you *were* is no longer who you are "in 
Christ"."


He reminded his readers that his insight was a result of God's calling 
and equipping - so that there was no confusion with the false teachers 
whose claim was to be wise in and of themselves.


Paul also wanted to be sure that his readers understood that unless they 
were "in Christ", saved plus the indwelling Holy Spirit of God, so that 
they would be unable to understand his message well.


God forgives every sin that we (Christians) confess, and for which we 
are truly repentant (desire to turn away from), and He sets us free from 
judgment for that/those sins. God makes us new every morning.



      Interaction


        Consider

The Lord God called and equipped Paul, once a "Jew of Jews", a Pharisee 
who had no time for Gentiles and who attacked Christians, to be His 
emissary to Gentile-Christians.


        Discuss

Why might a non-Christian have trouble understanding what Paul is 
teaching? Why was it important for Paul to remind the Gentile believers 
of the source of his authority versus that of some other 
preacher-teachers who had not been sent by God?


        Reflect

The meaning of "Who you *were* is no longer who you are in-Christ" is 
important.


        Share

When were you unable to comprehend a Biblical teaching prior to your 
salvation, but once indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God, you could understand?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to show you something new in the Bible to both equip 
you to mature to remind you of His power.


        Action:

Today I will thank the Lord God that He forgives every sin that we 
confess, and for which we are truly repentant (desire to turn away 
from), and that He sets us free from judgment for that sin (makes us new 
every morning).


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Monday's text will be:


      Ephesians 3:5-6



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sun Jan 22 11:58:31 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:58:31 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Correction: Sunday's B7 Study - Eph. 3:1-4
Message-ID: <4F1C4037.2090601@bibleseven.com>

There was an error in the "Faith in Action - Prayer:'

Please accept this replacement text:

"Ask the Holy Spirit to show you something new in the Bible to both
equip and mature you and to remind you of His power to transform."

-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sun Jan 22 19:12:49 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 19:12:49 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Monday - Ephesians 3:5-6
Message-ID: <4F1CA601.2000000@bibleseven.com>


    Monday


      Ephesians 3:5-6


3:5 Now this secret was not disclosed to people in former generations as 
it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit,

3:6 namely, that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, 
fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in 
Christ Jesus.



      Prayer


Lord, You had a perfect plan from the beginning, and in Your perfect 
timing -- following the work of Jesus the Christ on the Cross and 
Resurrection -- You made it known through Your chosen spokesmen. May I 
worship Your perfection and share Your story.



      Summary & Commentary


There was little point to revealing this "secret" until after the Gospel 
had been actualized through the events of the Cross and the Resurrection.


The Lord God's timing was perfect as the Romans had created an 
exceptional system for travel which equipped His messengers to spread 
the Word quickly and effectively -- before the enemies of truth could 
prevent it.


When Jesus was crucified the veil between man and God was torn away 
forever and with the resurrection of Christ all who accept His Lordship, 
and reject everything that is not of Him, are welcomed into His eternal 
family regardless of gender, race, or social status. (Galatians 3:28)


Recalling our discussion of Ephesians 1; the New Testament chronology 
tells us that Ephesians is preceded chronologically by Matthew, Mark, 
Luke, John, Acts, James, Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, Romans, 
Philemon, and Colossians. Thus the members of the church (believers) at 
Ephesus would have been taught this concept. (Note: There are 24 cross 
references to this same concept from those Letters/Books.)

<http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Gal&chapter=3&verse=28&tab=commentaries>



      Interaction


        Consider

The Lord God abolished all of the worldly castes and classes, artificial 
social hierarchies and racial distinctions. All are equal in His family.


        Discuss

What are some of the reason(s) why we must surrender our claims to 
everything in this fallen world, including our free will, in order to 
truly be saved?


        Reflect

"... the veil between man and God was torn away forever."


        Share

When have you experienced or observed the way that an absence of 
artificial man-made walls, separating people into unequal sub-groups, 
impacted witnessing for Christ and/or encouraging fellow believers?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you someone "considering Christ" and/or 
a fellow believer whom He desires you to share His revealed secret.


        Action:

Today I will share these truths with someone "considering Christ", 
and/or with a fellow believer, who would be blessed and encouraged to 
recognize and live in the freedom-from-man-made-walls that comes from 
being a member of the family of God.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Tuesday's text will be:


      Ephesians 3:7--9



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 12:52:23 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Have You Built a Custom Kernel and Why?
Message-ID: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>

As I am gearing up for one of the Linux certs, I was reading a chapter on
building a custom kernel.  I did not follow the exercise, as I honestly
feel I need a pretty compelling reason to build a custom kernel, other than
"just because I can".  I did do this years ago with the Mach kernel that
ran under Red Hat 5, but have never really seen the need to do so again.  I
think simply modifying the loading of modules (something else I have done
at least once or twice) is sufficient in most cases.  I am certain there
are really compelling reasons to build a custom kernel, though.

I am curious to know if any of you have actually built a custom kernel, and
what advantages (if any) this gave you over (a) the default kernel and (b)
a comparable Windows system.  I ask about Windows, because - as far as I
know, no one can build a custom kernel (since we cannot access the source
code).  To build a custom kernel "just because you can" - even though that,
in and of itself is a great thing - is not good enough for this question.
I want to know if your custom kernel made Windows look even slower than
molasses or if you gained some special feature that is not normally needed,
or that does not exist in Windows.  Any compelling cases out there for
building a custom kernel?


Blessings,
Don
-- 
D.C. Parris, FMP, LEED AP O+M, ESL Certificate
Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parris  |
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Mon Jan 23 13:11:17 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] [CS-FSLUG] Have You Built a Custom Kernel
	and Why?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F1DA2C5.6080900@bibleseven.com>

They seem to do it all the time in Puppy Linux - from what I have
read generally for increased-efficiency or to integrate an app more
tightly.

They have an app which is specifically designed to make the process
simple.

I've never tried ...

>  As I am gearing up for one of the Linux certs, I was reading a
>  chapter on building a custom kernel. I did not follow the exercise,
>  as I honestly feel I need a pretty compelling reason to build a
>  custom kernel, other than "just because I can". I did do this years
>  ago with the Mach kernel that ran under Red Hat 5, but have never
>  really seen the need to do so again. I think simply modifying the
>  loading of modules (something else I have done at least once or
>  twice) is sufficient in most cases. I am certain there are really
>  compelling reasons to build a custom kernel, though.
>
>  I am curious to know if any of you have actually built a custom
>  kernel, and what advantages (if any) this gave you over (a) the
>  default kernel and (b) a comparable Windows system. I ask about
>  Windows, because - as far as I know, no one can build a custom kernel
>  (since we cannot access the source code). To build a custom kernel
>  "just because you can" - even though that, in and of itself is a
>  great thing - is not good enough for this question. I want to know
>  if your custom kernel made Windows look even slower than molasses or
>  if you gained some special feature that is not normally needed, or
>  that does not exist in Windows. Any compelling cases out there for
>  building a custom kernel?
>
>
>  Blessings, Don

-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From marco.tedaldi at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 14:40:04 2012
From: marco.tedaldi at gmail.com (Marco Tedaldi)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:40:04 +0100
Subject: [Linux4christians] Have You Built a Custom Kernel and Why?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F1DB794.5010407@gmail.com>

Hi don

Am 23.01.2012 18:52, schrieb Don Parris:
>
> I am curious to know if any of you have actually built a custom kernel,

Yes...

> and what advantages (if any) this gave you over (a) the default kernel

I could run my server. At the time I bought my new server, there were no 
drivers for my sata controler in the stock kernel, much less in the 
kernel, that debian had on the installation media.

> and (b) a comparable Windows system.  I ask about Windows, because - as
> far as I know, no one can build a custom kernel (since we cannot access
> the source code).  To build a custom kernel "just because you can" -
> even though that, in and of itself is a great thing - is not good enough
> for this question.  I want to know if your custom kernel made Windows
> look even slower than molasses or if you gained some special feature
> that is not normally needed, or that does not exist in Windows.  Any
> compelling cases out there for building a custom kernel?
>
>
If you have recent hardware (less than 10 years old :-)) and the stock 
kernel supports all the stuff you need, there is no reason to build a 
custom kernel.
But if you either have really small hardware (only small memory, a slow 
processor or need to save energy) for example for an embedded system, it 
can make sense to build your own kernel.
Also, if you have hardware, that is not supported by the stock kernels, 
there is almost no way around it.

I'm not using custom built kernels anymore since everything runs ok 
right now... so I only build my kernels myself, when there is no other way.

best regards

Marco

From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Mon Jan 23 18:52:59 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:52:59 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] =?windows-1252?q?B7_-_Tuesday_-_Ephesians_3=3A?=
	=?windows-1252?q?7=969?=
Message-ID: <4F1DF2DB.9050102@bibleseven.com>


    Tuesday


      Ephesians 3:7?9


3:7 I became a servant of this gospel according to the gift of God?s 
grace that was given to me by the exercise of his power.

3:8 To me ? less than the least of all the saints ? this grace was 
given, to proclaim to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ

3:9 and to enlighten everyone about God?s secret plan ? a secret that 
has been hidden for ages in God who has created all things.



      Prayer


Lord, You made salvation possible, and You have caused Your Gospel to be 
known far and wide. May I be faithful gratefulness and bold in sharing 
Your story.



      Summary & Commentary


The power of the Lord God was in His provision of salvation through 
Jesus the Christ.

The Lord God called Paul by appearing to him then empowered him by 
bringing others alongside to disciple him in order that Paul might 
effectively challenge the religious elite (as a former peer).

Paul became a ?... servant of this gospel? because of the Lord God's 
calling and empowering and his right-response to tell others.

Paul wrote much of the New Testament so that we might better know God 
and what He asks of us.

Paul reminded his readers again that God's saving grace is for all, 
regardless of gender, race, or social status.



      Interaction



        Consider

Paul, despite his history, was teachable in spirit and willing to go and 
to do whatever the Lord God asked, no matter the cost.


        Discuss

What are some of the things that you have learned about the Lord God, 
and what He expects of you, as a result of reading the writings of Paul?


        Reflect

Those whom God called to serve alongside of Paul, and those whom God 
calls today, have been used o faithfully teach His truths to generation 
after generation of new believers.


        Share

When have you experienced a faithful teacher, rightly teaching the 
unchanging Word of God, helping you to grow in the knowledge of God and 
in your maturing personal walk with Him?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to remind me of a faithful teacher of His Word for 
whom He wants me to pray.


        Action:

Today I will thank the Lord God for empowering Paul to challenge the 
religious elite and to write so much of the New Testament that we might 
better know Him and what He asks of us.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Wednesday's text will be:


      Ephesians 10?12



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Jan 23 19:31:23 2012
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:31:23 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Have You Built a Custom Kernel and Why?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F1DFBDB.3090008@lavabit.com>

On 01/23/2012 09:52 AM, Don Parris wrote:
> As I am gearing up for one of the Linux certs, I was reading a chapter 
> on building a custom kernel.  I did not follow the exercise, as I 
> honestly feel I need a pretty compelling reason to build a custom 
> kernel, other than "just because I can".  I did do this years ago with 
> the Mach kernel that ran under Red Hat 5, but have never really seen 
> the need to do so again.  I think simply modifying the loading of 
> modules (something else I have done at least once or twice) is 
> sufficient in most cases.  I am certain there are really compelling 
> reasons to build a custom kernel, though.
>
> I am curious to know if any of you have actually built a custom 
> kernel, and what advantages (if any) this gave you over (a) the 
> default kernel and (b) a comparable Windows system.  I ask about 
> Windows, because - as far as I know, no one can build a custom kernel 
> (since we cannot access the source code).  To build a custom kernel 
> "just because you can" - even though that, in and of itself is a great 
> thing - is not good enough for this question.  I want to know if your 
> custom kernel made Windows look even slower than molasses or if you 
> gained some special feature that is not normally needed, or that does 
> not exist in Windows.  Any compelling cases out there for building a 
> custom kernel?
>
>
> Blessings,
> Don
> -- 
> D.C. Parris, FMP, LEED AP O+M, ESL Certificate
> Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
> https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parris  | 
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris
> GPG Key ID: F5E179BE
>
First off, may I ask what Linux Certification are you going for?
I'm currently studying for the CompTIA A+ exam, with the intention of 
moving to Security+ and the LPI certs; perhaps RHCSA as well, I don't 
know yet.

I built a custom kernel on Debian Stable a few months ago, and it was to 
take advantage of Realtime capabilities, as Stable doesn't have a 
Realtime Pre-emption enabled kernel pre-built and available in the repos 
like Ubuntu.
I've heard for some time that the latest kernels available from 
kernel.org have Ingo Molnar's realtime patch built-in, but it is a 
"soft" realtime, compared to a "hard" realtime.
Some would argue that you don't need hard realtime unless you are 
controlling robots to built rocket parts, but it does make a difference 
with audio/video work.
As you might well imagine, I could NEVER do such a thing with Windows, 
so it's an automatic advantage.
In order to bring latency down to usable levels, they have such things 
as ASIO drivers and various optimization "tweaks" which I have no 
experience with, but the fact that Mac OS has historically been the 
preferred system for A/V is a bit telling.

The kernel itself performed like it was supposed to, but it wasn't the 
success I hoped it would be.
However, I think it was more due to me being a novice at it, and I 
couldn't run the display drivers accelerated to take graphics duties off 
of the CPU.
I imagine I'd have to sit on IRC with a bunch of kernel hackers to 
really "get" it, but I can't say it wasn't worth the experience.

Probably the best reasons to compile a custom kernel would be for much 
the same reasons; incorporating a patch, enabling things that are not 
turned on by default, custom drivers, etc.
They all are valid reasons, but probably only a very few situations that 
would really call for it.
I'd say get comfy with the process just because the cert requires it, 
and who knows?
Maybe somewhere down the line, you'll really need to know how to do it, 
and you'll be ready.

-Eddy


From dlormand at aztecfreenet.org  Mon Jan 23 23:12:38 2012
From: dlormand at aztecfreenet.org (David Ormand)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] [CS-FSLUG] Have You Built a Custom Kernel
 and Why?
Message-ID: <4F1E2FB6.1010807@aztecfreenet.org>

Booting Slackware on my laptop takes a long time with the standard 
kernel.  I can cut it almost in half by building a lighter kernel.

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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 09:10:15 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:10:15 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Have You Built a Custom Kernel and Why?
In-Reply-To: <4F1DFBDB.3090008@lavabit.com>
References: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 19:31, Eddy Martin <hpp3 at lavabit.com> wrote:

>
> First off, may I ask what Linux Certification are you going for?
> I'm currently studying for the CompTIA A+ exam, with the intention of
> moving to Security+ and the LPI certs; perhaps RHCSA as well, I don't know
> yet.
>
> I am going for whichever is the most "do-able" at the moment.  I am
leaning toward the Linux+, since it is within my reach.  However, the guys
in the local LUG are suggesting I go for the RHCSA/CE.  That is much more
expensive, but I might be able to reduce the cost of that if I can
pre-test.  Even so, at the moment, the Linux+ and LPIC I are the most
"do-able".  Maybe I can capitalize on the first two and later achieve the
RHCSA/CE.  :-)


Blessings,
Don
-- 
D.C. Parris, FMP, LEED AP O+M, ESL Certificate
Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parris  |
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 09:13:22 2012
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Have You Built a Custom Kernel and Why?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-7yonWKt=XVLL-rBwH3srYNcoqctBUwoZ5WsOKoC_7YiXicg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJeShmWF03kOvjD1c-UdTk8AOO-D5cv1C8G9gyWYt_7bo+k9TQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am planning on trying to get the LPI 1 cert at ILF this year if I
can make it.  It depends on if I can get a ride over there or get my
other car fixed up so I can drive my new Cruze to Indiana.  If I
can't, I will be taking it at OLF.



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Don Parris <parrisdc at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 19:31, Eddy Martin <hpp3 at lavabit.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> First off, may I ask what Linux Certification are you going for?
>> I'm currently studying for the CompTIA A+ exam, with the intention of
>> moving to Security+ and the LPI certs; perhaps RHCSA as well, I don't know
>> yet.
>>
> I am going for whichever is the most "do-able" at the moment.? I am leaning
> toward the Linux+, since it is within my reach.? However, the guys in the
> local LUG are suggesting I go for the RHCSA/CE.? That is much more
> expensive, but I might be able to reduce the cost of that if I can
> pre-test.? Even so, at the moment, the Linux+ and LPIC I are the most
> "do-able".? Maybe I can capitalize on the first two and later achieve the
> RHCSA/CE.? :-)
>
>
> Blessings,
> Don
> --
> D.C. Parris, FMP, LEED AP O+M, ESL Certificate
> Minister, Security/FM Coordinator, Free Software Advocate
> https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parris ?|
> ?http://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris
> GPG Key ID: F5E179BE
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From marco.tedaldi at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 11:45:51 2012
From: marco.tedaldi at gmail.com (Marco Tedaldi)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:45:51 +0100
Subject: [Linux4christians] Have You Built a Custom Kernel and Why?
In-Reply-To: <4F1DFBDB.3090008@lavabit.com>
References: <CAJ-7yon56uZgWqN6+J1r_9w=xghpsZ9ghcawdSP9W38P=C4N_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F1DFBDB.3090008@lavabit.com>
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On 24.01.2012 01:31, Eddy Martin wrote:
> On 01/23/2012 09:52 AM, Don Parris wrote:
>> I am curious to know if any of you have actually built a custom
>> kernel, and what advantages (if any) this gave you over (a) the
>> default kernel and (b) a comparable Windows system.  I ask about
[...]

> I built a custom kernel on Debian Stable a few months ago, and it was to
> take advantage of Realtime capabilities, as Stable doesn't have a
> Realtime Pre-emption enabled kernel pre-built and available in the repos
> like Ubuntu.
> I've heard for some time that the latest kernels available from
> kernel.org have Ingo Molnar's realtime patch built-in, but it is a
> "soft" realtime, compared to a "hard" realtime.

Pay attention on "realtime". There are a few different things that are
called "realtime" but are not.

For example, in windows you can set the priority of a process to
"realtime": This is a blatant lie!

Let's first define, what realtime is (and what is widely agreed upon
being "realtime" in the relevant industry)
Realtime just means "deterministic behavior" (would "determiniscability"
be a word?).
It dies NET mean:"fast" or something like that in any way.
"hard realtime" does mean, that the system will do what it is supposed
to do within a predetermined window of time. Guaranteed.
"soft realtime" means, that it is doing it almost always but it might
fail to do so from time to time. But at least it will let you (or the
application) know.

> Some would argue that you don't need hard realtime unless you are
> controlling robots to built rocket parts, but it does make a difference
> with audio/video work.

There are a lot of needs for "realtime" stuff. Every machine controller
must be realtime capable. For most imaging systems you need realtime
stuff (because buffers in the imaging device are not infinitely big and
you might loose data otherwise).

> As you might well imagine, I could NEVER do such a thing with Windows,
> so it's an automatic advantage.

There are versions of windows CE (someone remembers?) that are said to
be realtime... I know about this because in several situations the
door-controllers and lift controllers had to be rebooted several times a
day...

> In order to bring latency down to usable levels, they have such things
> as ASIO drivers and various optimization "tweaks" which I have no
> experience with, but the fact that Mac OS has historically been the
> preferred system for A/V is a bit telling.
>
On classic macs you could do realtime stuff... because it was no real
multitasking system. So a task could hog the cpu as long as it wanted
and the system did not interrupt it.
Like dos. You can easily do realtime stuff in dos (in fact, many
realtime systems still run on dos basis. For example some of the NI
systems for LabView RT run on a heavily modified dos system).


> The kernel itself performed like it was supposed to, but it wasn't the
> success I hoped it would be.

I don't know about the patches you have used. With an improved scheduler
you might get soft realtime. But hard realtime requires a lot more.
Hard realtime means, that your code is running on kernel level. With no
memory management (because memory management can make for
undeterministic delays). This means, if your code crashes, your system
goes down. The realtime part runs like a kernel-driver. Realtime and
all. And than you have normally a non realtime part (like communications
and user interface) running in user space. These two parts of an
application can communicate with each other over fifos, buffers and
shared memory space.

Writing such an application takes (especially the realtime part) takes a
lot of work and requres a lot of knowlege. Because just one access to
the wrong location done in the wrong way can make the whole thung
undeterministic.

> However, I think it was more due to me being a novice at it, and I
> couldn't run the display drivers accelerated to take graphics duties off
> of the CPU.

Yeah... when the cpu goes to 100% you can forget about realtime.
Realtime kernels can't "invent" processor cycles. And when there are bus
master transfers taking place (which is done when putting data to the
craphics card) even a realtime kernel can't interrupt this to do his stuff.

> I imagine I'd have to sit on IRC with a bunch of kernel hackers to
> really "get" it, but I can't say it wasn't worth the experience.
> 
Or with a realtime expert...
To get a realtime sstem to perform as it should you have to look at all
the possible bottlenecks. And there are a lot of them around. Todays PC
with a modern multi tasking operating system tend to do a lot of stuff
in non deterministic ways. Thus getting a system to do realtime is most
probably a lot more than some kernel patches... sadly.

> Probably the best reasons to compile a custom kernel would be for much
> the same reasons; incorporating a patch, enabling things that are not
> turned on by default, custom drivers, etc.
> They all are valid reasons, but probably only a very few situations that
> would really call for it.

I can only agree on that.

> I'd say get comfy with the process just because the cert requires it,
> and who knows?

It is for sure not wasted effort to learn it. Can also help you
understand the structure of the kernel a bit.

> Maybe somewhere down the line, you'll really need to know how to do it,
> and you'll be ready.est

+1

best regards

Marco

From marco.tedaldi at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 11:58:19 2012
From: marco.tedaldi at gmail.com (Marco Tedaldi)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:58:19 +0100
Subject: [Linux4christians] [CS-FSLUG] Have You Built a Custom Kernel
 and Why?
In-Reply-To: <4F1E2FB6.1010807@aztecfreenet.org>
References: <4F1E2FB6.1010807@aztecfreenet.org>
Message-ID: <4F1EE32B.1060407@gmail.com>

On 24.01.2012 05:12, David Ormand wrote:
> Booting Slackware on my laptop takes a long time with the standard
> kernel.  I can cut it almost in half by building a lighter kernel.
> 
Wow... that's quite a bit. I think it really depends on the situation
but cutting down boot time by 50% is quite cool!

As far as I observed in my setup, most of the time is spent on init
scripts (sysv or upstart does not make too much of a difference). But if
I find an easy way to optimize both of these parts, that would be great.

Can you shed some light on the situation (used hardware) and tell what
you did to optimize the bootup time?

best

Marco


From gorkon at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 13:44:20 2012
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:44:20 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] [CS-FSLUG] Have You Built a Custom Kernel
	and Why?
In-Reply-To: <4F1EE32B.1060407@gmail.com>
References: <4F1E2FB6.1010807@aztecfreenet.org> <4F1EE32B.1060407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJeShmXKZe9DJfdwiQOU19aTyoxiapo_YUx1ZDhzgHePoQ4fQA@mail.gmail.com>

I am more apt to believe something is wrong with the hardware if it
takes a long time to boot with the standard kernel but whatever floats
your boat.

That said, in almost any modern distro, I have yet to find a single
reason to NEED to build a kernel.  If it's slow booting up, so what?
Just suspend it or fix the problem by doing an upgrade of the hardware
if you can.  I'd only build a kernel as a last resort.  The biggest
reason I say this is you don't know WHAT kernel modules you may need
in the future and to have to recompile every single time you add
something is a pain in the butt.



On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Marco Tedaldi <marco.tedaldi at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24.01.2012 05:12, David Ormand wrote:
>> Booting Slackware on my laptop takes a long time with the standard
>> kernel. ?I can cut it almost in half by building a lighter kernel.
>>
> Wow... that's quite a bit. I think it really depends on the situation
> but cutting down boot time by 50% is quite cool!
>
> As far as I observed in my setup, most of the time is spent on init
> scripts (sysv or upstart does not make too much of a difference). But if
> I find an easy way to optimize both of these parts, that would be great.
>
> Can you shed some light on the situation (used hardware) and tell what
> you did to optimize the bootup time?
>
> best
>
> Marco
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians



-- 
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Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Tue Jan 24 21:28:04 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] =?windows-1252?q?B7_-_Wednesday_-_Ephesians_10?=
	=?windows-1252?q?=9612?=
Message-ID: <4F1F68B4.2070302@bibleseven.com>


    Wednesday


      Ephesians 10?12


3:10 The purpose of this enlightenment is that through the church the 
multifaceted wisdom of God should now be disclosed to the rulers and the 
authorities in the heavenly realms.

3:11 This was according to the eternal purpose that he accomplished in 
Christ Jesus our Lord, 3:12 in whom we have boldness and confident 
access to God because of Christ?s faithfulness.



      Prayer


Lord, You have allowed angels, demons, and humankind alike to make 
choices and to choose sides, and over history You promised a redeemer ? 
while You kept the details to Yourself. As I learn from the apostles the 
Gospel story may I be enlightened and may I share Your story with others.



      Summary & Commentary


Angels and demons alike were made aware of the complete meaning and 
purpose of the Gospel, and especially the role of The Church (the 
assembly of believers, physical and/or spiritual, as an eternal family), 
in the great plan of the Lord God's redemption of humankind.


Through the work of Christ we may approach the Creator and all-powerful 
God of everything with the confidence of a dearly loved child that we 
will receive all of the needed affection and provision and training from 
the most-perfect One.



      Interaction


        Consider

?The Church", the body of believers, " has become the revelation of the 
plan of redemption from the Lord God.


        Discuss

How has the "enlightenment" of the Lord God, through His Bible, His Holy 
Spirit, and those whom He has sent to teach you, increased your maturity 
and your relationship with Him?


        Reflect

How incredible is the love of the Lord God that we may approach Him with 
"... boldness and confident access".


        Share

When have you have approached the Lord God with "... boldness and 
confident access" and He has responded to you with comfort, 
encouragement, enlightenment, equipping, and/or healing?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you a place in your life where you have 
not been bringing a challenge to the Lord.


        Action:

Today I will approach the Creator and all-powerful God of everything 
with the confidence of a dearly loved child in order to receive all of 
the needed affection and comfort and provision and training and wisdom 
from the most-perfect One.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Thursday's text will be:


      Ephesians 3:13



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Jan 24 21:32:20 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] And some have in the past wondered why I don't
 trust Apple! This is one example.
Message-ID: <4F1F69B4.2030608@lightlink.com>

How Apple is sabotaging an open standard for digital books 
<http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1117317000-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5>

For nearly two years, Apple has wooed digital book publishers and 
authors with its unconditional support of the open EPUB standard. With 
last week's introduction of iBooks 2.0, Apple has deliberately locked 
out that standard.

READ FULL STORY 
<http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=1117317001-f09aff1f3240c763b781087d83996fa3-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5> 


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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Jan 24 21:37:53 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:37:53 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] =?windows-1252?q?Why_Apple_gadgets_can=92t_be_?=
 =?windows-1252?q?made_in_the_U=2ES=2E?=
Message-ID: <4F1F6B01.1090400@lightlink.com>

It isn?t just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple?s 
executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the 
flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so 
outpaced their American counterparts that ?Made in the U.S.A.? is no 
longer a viable option for most Apple products.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/why-apple-gadgets-cant-be-made-in-the-us/12075?tag=nl.e539 


-- 
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From josiah at josiahritchie.com  Wed Jan 25 15:42:21 2012
From: josiah at josiahritchie.com (Josiah Ritchie)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] [CS-FSLUG] Have You Built a Custom Kernel
	and Why?
In-Reply-To: <CAJeShmXKZe9DJfdwiQOU19aTyoxiapo_YUx1ZDhzgHePoQ4fQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F1E2FB6.1010807@aztecfreenet.org> <4F1EE32B.1060407@gmail.com>
	<CAJeShmXKZe9DJfdwiQOU19aTyoxiapo_YUx1ZDhzgHePoQ4fQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANyh6VvrxtqYnBLaCqvPbOXcbLoFBwEtMqtum6_4vr+mbAD_ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't compiled a kernel since I was running Gentoo and it was a
required part of the installation. I don't think that's even true
anymore.

That said, I do think it is something everyone should spend some time
doing at least once, but that's for education, not practical purposes.

JSR/

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Joel Mclaughlin <gorkon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am more apt to believe something is wrong with the hardware if it
> takes a long time to boot with the standard kernel but whatever floats
> your boat.
>
> That said, in almost any modern distro, I have yet to find a single
> reason to NEED to build a kernel. ?If it's slow booting up, so what?
> Just suspend it or fix the problem by doing an upgrade of the hardware
> if you can. ?I'd only build a kernel as a last resort. ?The biggest
> reason I say this is you don't know WHAT kernel modules you may need
> in the future and to have to recompile every single time you add
> something is a pain in the butt.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Marco Tedaldi <marco.tedaldi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 24.01.2012 05:12, David Ormand wrote:
>>> Booting Slackware on my laptop takes a long time with the standard
>>> kernel. ?I can cut it almost in half by building a lighter kernel.
>>>
>> Wow... that's quite a bit. I think it really depends on the situation
>> but cutting down boot time by 50% is quite cool!
>>
>> As far as I observed in my setup, most of the time is spent on init
>> scripts (sysv or upstart does not make too much of a difference). But if
>> I find an easy way to optimize both of these parts, that would be great.
>>
>> Can you shed some light on the situation (used hardware) and tell what
>> you did to optimize the bootup time?
>>
>> best
>>
>> Marco
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux4christians mailing list
>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>
>
> --
> Joel McLaughlin
> Life in Ohio Podcast
> life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
> gorkon at gmail.com
> http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
> joel at geardiary.com
> geardiary.com
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians



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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Thu Jan 26 23:02:01 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Friday - Ephesians 3:14-19
Message-ID: <4F2221B9.4010907@bibleseven.com>


    Friday


      Ephesians 3:14-19


Prayer for Strengthened Love

3:14 For this reason I kneel before the Father,

3:15 from whom every family in heaven and on the earth is named.

3:16 I pray that according to the wealth of his glory he may grant you 
to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inner person,

3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith, so that, 
because you have been rooted and grounded in love,

3:18 you may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the 
breadth and length and height and depth,

3:19 and thus to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so 
that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God.




      Prayer


Lord, You made it possible for me to be in Your eternal family, and You 
then fill me with Christ so that I may mature in-You. May I seek Your 
wisdom, surrender to Your Lordship, and be available as Your instrument.



      Summary & Commentary


For this reason I kneel ["this reason" referred to salvation and their 
continued maturity] before the Father [We are called "the children of 
the Father"] from whom every family ... is named [Historically naming 
implied ownership, or at least a position of superiority. In the early 
Genesis account Adam named the animals over whom God gave him dominion.] 
according to the wealth of His glory He may grant [God's glory is 
endless. God chooses to give from His resources, none may compel Him.] 
be strengthened [We acknowledge our weakness and then we set aside our 
pride and allow God to be our strength.]


Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith [Christ "dwells" in a 
rhetorical sense through our attitudes, and God is more literally 
represented in us via his indwelling Holy Spirit. Faith is the means 
through which we trust the truth of Christ, follow the leading of the 
Holy Spirit, and go beyond the essentials of salvation into 
"ultrafidian" beyond faith surrender and service.] rooted and grounded 
in love ... able to comprehend ... the love of Christ [A tree draws 
nutrition from and is strengthened against uprooting in storms by it's 
roots, so it should be for us through the love of Christ. He also gives 
to we selfish and stubborn people the capacity to comprehend His unique 
love.] be filled up to all the fullness of God [It is God's desire that 
we be filled to overflowing so that the overflow may bless others.]



      Interaction


        Consider

Incredible is the gift that we are claimed by the Lord God as His 
eternal-children.


        Discuss

What are some of the blessings that the Lord God pours out to His 
children, and through them, overflowing to others?


        Reflect

What is the impact of being "... rooted and grounded in ... the love of 
Christ"?


        Share

When have you experienced the Lord God causing an overflow of His love 
in you so that you could then share the overflow with others?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to remind you several times this day to reread and 
to reflect upon the prayer of Paul.


        Action:

Today, as I read and reflect upon this prayer of Paul I will thank the 
Lord God for placing it upon his heart and for pouring it out through 
his letter to the Ephesians and others.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Saturday's text will be:


      Ephesians 3:20-21



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Jan 27 13:24:25 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:24:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Planned Parenthood: Roe Dying,
	Sex-Selection Abortions OK
Message-ID: <4F22EBD9.6040405@lightlink.com>

Next, Casey Martin, a man who is the Planned Parenthood of the Southern 
Finger Lakes director, admitted 
<http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/01/20/sometimes-sky-does-fall> 
the "sky is falling" on Roe.

"I'm sorry to say that the sky is falling on Roe v Wade. It's been 
falling incrementally for the past four decades, and it fell further, 
faster, in 2011 than in any year before," he said.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/26/planned-parenthood-roe-dying-sex-selection-abortions-ok/ 


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From raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za  Fri Jan 27 15:06:24 2012
From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:06:24 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] Review: Kubuntu 11.10 on a Toshiba NB505 Netbook
Message-ID: <4F2303C0.7000301@saturnlaboratories.co.za>

FYI:

"""
My family flew over to the USA to visit my wife's family in October 
2011, and I couldn't pass up an opportunity to buy something 
technological for a lower price than I can get it in South Africa. One 
of the things I'd been wanting to buy for a long time was a netbook.

With this in mind, I did some searching and some research and decided to 
buy the Toshiba NB505 from Amazon.com. A number of the reviews on Amazon 
mentioned using Linux (usually Ubuntu) on the netbook, and they all said 
that it ran well. With this key piece of information, and a friend's 
recommendation of a similar model from Toshiba, I decided to save up 
some money and buy the NB505.
"""

http://christianoss.org/blog/2012/01/27/review-kubuntu-1110-toshiba-nb505-netbook

-- 
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Saturn Laboratories
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e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za
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From parrisdc at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 15:30:06 2012
From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:30:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Review: Kubuntu 11.10 on a Toshiba NB505
	Netbook
In-Reply-To: <4F2303C0.7000301@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
References: <4F2303C0.7000301@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
Message-ID: <CAJ-7yon+dcPLO5t5LVrmw9953yy5A30a_=g1T9qwFEJyT3Bt4A@mail.gmail.com>

I shared this on Google, Twitter and FB...  I really like Kubuntu 11.10 on
my HP laptop, too!

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 15:06, Raoul Snyman <
raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za> wrote:

> FYI:
>
> """
> My family flew over to the USA to visit my wife's family in October 2011,
> and I couldn't pass up an opportunity to buy something technological for a
> lower price than I can get it in South Africa. One of the things I'd been
> wanting to buy for a long time was a netbook.
>
> With this in mind, I did some searching and some research and decided to
> buy the Toshiba NB505 from Amazon.com. A number of the reviews on Amazon
> mentioned using Linux (usually Ubuntu) on the netbook, and they all said
> that it ran well. With this key piece of information, and a friend's
> recommendation of a similar model from Toshiba, I decided to save up some
> money and buy the NB505.
> """
>
> http://christianoss.org/blog/**2012/01/27/review-kubuntu-**
> 1110-toshiba-nb505-netbook<http://christianoss.org/blog/2012/01/27/review-kubuntu-1110-toshiba-nb505-netbook>
>
> --
> Raoul Snyman, B.Tech IT (Software Engineering)
> Saturn Laboratories
> m: 082 550 3754
> e: raoul.snyman@**saturnlaboratories.co.za<raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za>
> w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Fri Jan 27 17:17:25 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:17:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Review: Kubuntu 11.10 on a Toshiba NB505
	Netbook
In-Reply-To: <4F2303C0.7000301@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
References: <4F2303C0.7000301@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
Message-ID: <4F232275.6050502@bibleseven.com>

Thanks for the test report!

Another alternative ...

I have run Puppy Fluppy 013 and then Puppy dpup 5x8, 5x9, 5x10, 5x11
and soon to test 5x13 on my Samsung NB10 Netbook with great results.

 > Raoul Snyman wrote:
>  FYI:
>
>  """ My family flew over to the USA to visit my wife's family in
>  October 2011, and I couldn't pass up an opportunity to buy something
>  technological for a lower price than I can get it in South Africa.
>  One of the things I'd been wanting to buy for a long time was a
>  netbook.
>
>  With this in mind, I did some searching and some research and decided
>  to buy the Toshiba NB505 from Amazon.com. A number of the reviews on
>  Amazon mentioned using Linux (usually Ubuntu) on the netbook, and
>  they all said that it ran well. With this key piece of information,
>  and a friend's recommendation of a similar model from Toshiba, I
>  decided to save up some money and buy the NB505. """
>
> 
http://christianoss.org/blog/2012/01/27/review-kubuntu-1110-toshiba-nb505-netbook


--
>
Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Fri Jan 27 19:20:48 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:20:48 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Saturday - Ephesians 3:20-21
Message-ID: <4F233F60.9000503@bibleseven.com>


    Saturday


      Ephesians 3:20-21


3:20 Now to him who by the power that is working within us is able to do 
far beyond all that we ask or think,

3:21 to him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all 
generations, forever and ever. Amen.



      Prayer


Lord, You are the power for change for good, and You have chosen to work 
through Your children -- The Church. May I be available and engaged as 
You disciple and equip me to be one of Your instruments of 
reconciliation to humankind in the world.



      Summary & Commentary


The power of Him that is working in us is both our faith, which He is 
growing, and is the Holy Spirit - through Whom He is growing it.


The Lord God is without-limit, something that we finite humans are 
cannot fully comprehend.


Paul challenged the Ephesian believers, and believers everywhere, to be 
honest in their prayers to the Lord God - because He is able "...to do 
far beyond all that we ask or think"


The phrase "... in the church" refers to the believers - which is the 
only place on earth that the Lord God chooses to display His glory and 
through whom His glory is reflected - "... the church" existed before 
buildings and denominations and programs and it continues to exist apart 
from those things.


"... in Christ Jesus the glory of God is displayed generation after 
generation and forever.



      Interaction


        Consider

The meaning of a familial relationship with the God of endless power and 
timeless existence.


        Discuss

What are some ways that we may partner with the Lord God in-faith to be 
conduits of His glory to others?


        Reflect

Celebrate the Lord God's reassurance, through Paul, that we need hold 
nothing back as He can and will do far more than "... all that we ask or 
think"


        Share

When have you the Lord God going far beyond your prayer-request of Him?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to remind you to read Paul's prayer several times today.


        Action:

Today I will say Amen & Amen! To Paul's prayer and I will share it with 
a fellow believer and together will will celebrate the Lord God's 
loving-perfection.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________


Sunday's text will be:  Ephesians 4:1-6



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Sat Jan 28 15:21:34 2012
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?utf-8?q?Why_Apple_gadgets_can=E2=80=99t_be_m?=
 =?utf-8?q?ade_in_the_U=2ES=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <4F1F6B01.1090400@lightlink.com>
References: <4F1F6B01.1090400@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <201201281521.35327.mwmcmlln@mnsi.net>

On January 24, 2012 09:37:53 pm Fred A. Miller wrote:
> It isn?t just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple?s
> executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the
> flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so
> outpaced their American counterparts that ?Made in the U.S.A.? is no
> longer a viable option for most Apple products.

  Odd that Apple doesn't even make their own hardware, but a third party does.
I'm also not too sure of why they need that many (psuedo)engineers to oversee 
a workforce of 200,000.

> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/why-apple-gadgets-cant-be-made-in-the-us/12
> 075?tag=nl.e539

From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sat Jan 28 21:05:58 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:05:58 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Sunday - Ephesians 4:1-6
Message-ID: <4F24A986.4050005@bibleseven.com>

*Ephesians 4*

*By: David M. Colburn*

*Book Introduction*


The Apostle Paul called upon the church (believers) to grow up. He 
implored them to learn the Word, to live the Word, and to press away the 
polluting influences of the sinful world to which they were formally 
emotional, intellectual, physical, and spiritual slaves.


Paul did not request, nor did he expect perfection any more than Jesus 
did; Jesus provided for confession, repentance, and forgiveness for good 
reason. Paul was clear in all of his writings that he had his own 
struggles and thus anticipated the same in the Christian walk of others.


Paul's message was that we be intentional in the pursuit of holiness, 
that such be a major focus of our lives, because in so doing we honor 
God and we are continually moving away from potential temptation.



    Sunday


      Ephesians 4:1-6


Live in Unity

4:1 I, therefore, the prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live worthily 
of the calling with which you have been called, 4:2 with all humility 
and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,

4:3 making every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of 
peace.

4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you too were called to the 
one hope of your calling,

4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.



      Prayer

Lord, You ask us to be intentional in the pursuit of personal holiness, 
because You are Holy and we belong to You. May I make time for Bible 
study and reflection, find prayer and accountability partners, and be 
faithful in sacrificial service to others so that You make draw me 
every-nearer to You.


      Summary & Commentary


"... live worthily of the calling" - We are children of God, "saints", 
destined for eternity in Heaven, privileged to carry His name in this 
temporary world.


We rightly condemn sports stars and political leaders when they behave 
in anti-social ways because they bring shame upon the name of their team 
or their nation; therefore, we must also understand that the Lord God 
desires that we honor His name in our conduct.


Paul was a living example of humility. He confessed his own failings in 
several of his letters - we are never to think ourselves better than our 
peers -- or the apostles.


No former enemy of the Lord God (that's us), saved by God's grace 
through faith in Him alone, has justification for arrogance.


Gentleness marks the maturing believer, patience with loving endurance 
of occasional immaturity toward those who are learning and growing as we 
had to learn and to grow - older "siblings" to younger "children in the 
faith".


Paul reminded us to remember that the newly saved are "The Church" 
[believers] and we all have the same Holy Spirit; therefore, one does 
not war with oneself.


The Lord God is one, and we are one as His Church (believers), and our 
peace comes from our joy in the eternal promise of Heaven through our 
trust that He is in control.


There is no conflict inside "The Church" [among believers] so long as 
our eyes are on Him alone.



      Interaction


        Consider

Children often put-down their younger sibling, taunting them with 
"little baby" or take advantage of their lack of life experience and 
knowledge with tricks; sadly, many adults never mature out of this 
abusive, destructive, and ignorant behavior.


        Discuss

Old-school parents may often chide their children as they head out the 
door "remember not to do anything that would bring shame to the family 
name", so great was their traditional belief in the value of integrity 
before the watching world. This has been largely lost in a fragmented 
society where selfishness rules - God calls us to integrity in 
everything we do as the bearers of the name of Christ. How might we 
remind children, and peers, to take care how they present the Lord God 
to a watching world?


        Reflect

Jesus and the apostles modeled humility, yet still there was a constant 
problem in the early church with arrogant and proud people assuming 
roles of leadership, and the problem continues to this day.


        Share

When have you discovered that knowing that you are a "child of God" gave 
you the perspective and motivation to walk away from sin that otherwise 
may have ensnared you?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to find you teachable and guide you away from an old 
sin (or perhaps a new one) and toward righteousness instead.


        Action:

Today I will ask a fellow believer to pray in agreement for this and 
will share with them what God does to honor our prayers. I will also 
thank the Lord God for the Holy Spirit who equips us to live worthy of 
God and in peace with fellow believers - because we know that doing so 
without Him is impossible.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Monday's text will be:


      Ephesians 4:7-10



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Jan 29 01:18:25 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:18:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Court: 'Tolerance is a two-way street' -
	EXCELLENT!
Message-ID: <4F24E4B1.2050303@lightlink.com>

"A university cannot compel a student to alter or violate her belief 
systems based on a phantom policy as the price for obtaining a degree 
...," wrote the Sixth Circuit. "Why treat Ward differently? That her 
conflict arose from religious convictions is not a good answer; that her 
conflict arose from religious convictions for which the department at 
times showed little tolerance is a worse answer."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=1524394

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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Sun Jan 29 21:08:11 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Monday - Ephesians 4:7-10
Message-ID: <4F25FB8B.2010008@bibleseven.com>


    Monday


      Ephesians 4:7-10


4:7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of 
the gift of Christ.

4:8 Therefore it says, "When he ascended on high he captured captives; 
he gave gifts to men."

4:9 Now what is the meaning of "he ascended," except that he also 
descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth?

4:10 He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above 
all the heavens, in order to fill all things.



      Prayer


Lord, You came and rescued humankind -- captives of sin in this fallen 
world -- and incarnated in Jesus the Christ and Your Holy Spirit You 
completed Your plan to provide a path of redemption. May I understand 
that You love Your creation so dearly that You sacrificed on our behalf 
-- and my response will be a grateful surrender to Your Lordship.



      Summary & Commentary


One school of Biblical scholarship teaches that Jesus on the Cross 
carried our sin down to Hell, left it there, announced our freedom, and 
rose again. He then ascended back to His home in Heaven to prepare a 
place for "the captives" whom He had rescued via the Cross. Another 
suggests that we may read this as a reference to Jesus leaving Heaven 
for His earthly ministry to later return to His home in Heaven. In 
either case the most important element is that Jesus is our intercessor.


"... in order to fill all things." echoes Paul's prior reference to 
God's promises.



      Interaction


        Consider

The US Secret Service protects the President and others. The job 
description of an Agent includes literally "taking a bullet" if such is 
necessary to defend the President from harm. Jesus "took the bullet" of 
sin's eternal punishment for us.


        Discuss

When you study the differing views of "descended", separating what the 
Bible says versus what are the fanciful extra-Biblical notions of 
classical fictional literature by Dante and modern fictional works of 
Hollywood, what do you conclude?


        Reflect

"... in order to fill all things" is a reminder that God keeps all of 
his promises.


        Share

When have you discovered that knowing that God keeps His promises 
provided the strength and trust to walk through an otherwise very 
difficult experience?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you someone "considering Christ" with 
whom He would like you to share this message.


        Action:

Today I will Thank God that Jesus the Christ humbled Himself to come 
down to earth, took and dumped our sins in Hell, rose again to Heaven to 
make a way for us.


Thank God that Jesus took my punishment and made a way for me back to 
fellowship with God, the purpose for which mankind was originally designed.


Today I will share the amazing story of God's provision for salvation 
through Jesus - and His continuing provision to His children. It may be 
on an Internet discussion list (appropriate to the list parameters), a 
text message, a phone call, a letter, a personal conversation, or some 
other format - but I make a commitment to "just do it".


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Tuesday's text will be:


      Ephesians 4:11-13



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Mon Jan 30 21:49:04 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:49:04 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Tuesday - Ephesians 4:11-13
Message-ID: <4F2756A0.6010207@bibleseven.com>


    Tuesday


      Ephesians 4:11-13


4:11 It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as 
evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,

4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, that is, to build up 
the body of Christ,

4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge 
of the Son of God --

a mature person, attaining to the measure of Christ's full stature.



      Prayer


Lord, You choose to use us as Your tools for building the quantity and 
quality of Your "Church" (believers) and You equip and sends those who 
will lead and train us in doing so. May I go and serve where I am sent 
and follow and learn when I need to be lead.



      Summary & Commentary


Between the moment of of saving faith - our absolute surrender to Christ 
- and our arrival in Heaven for eternity (following the Great White 
Throne Judgment) we are all constantly in the process of maturing.


Jesus provided everything that we needed "... to build up the body of 
Christ", that is, to grow His "Church" (believers) in both quality and 
quantity. Among those resources are apostles, prophets, evangelists, 
teachers (some of whom are pastors) - their job is not to build 
buildings, gather adoring fans, create local doctrines, or to do "the 
work of ministry" - the text is clear that their job is to "equip the 
saints for the work of ministry", which is, "to build up the body of 
Christ".


This is very important because it means that every single "saint" 
(believer) is called to "the work of ministry" and that it cannot be 
delegated-away to apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers and/or pastors.


This is also very important because it means that every single saint 
must be constantly-maturing so that they become more and more valuable 
to the Lord God in His ministry of building up the body of Christ.


Paul elsewhere (1 Cor. 12, etc.) described the various roles of members 
of the "body" or family of believers that is "the Church", with an 
emphasis on the importance that all are serving (and are serving 
as-called), that none is more important nor any capable of everything. 
Every part of the body is dependent on the others.


Here Paul emphasized the role of the leaders, from the founding of The 
Church (believers) until this very day, and until Jesus calls His 
children home. Apostles were called to establish the Church and to equip 
those who would sustain the Church once they departed. Prophets, then 
and now, remind us of Who God is, what He has done, and what He has 
promised to do. Once the "canon", the trustworthy Word of the Bible, was 
closed by the Lord God there is "nothing new under the sun" (or the 
Son), Rev. 22:18-19 makes that profoundly clear.


Evangelists and teachers (some whom are pastors) tell His-story, feed 
His sheep, and protect His sheep.



      Interaction


        Consider

There is an "old school" religious tradition where all of "the work of 
ministry" is foisted upon the pastor-teacher. He is often expected to 
perform every function from prayer, teaching, caring, service, 
evangelism, even "church" property maintenance! This is despite the 
clear teaching of the Bible about the distributed responsibilities of 
"the body" and the instruction that the "elders" focus upon their duties 
as spiritual leaders and delegate overflow-tasks to "deacons".


        Discuss

In what ways may a pastor-teacher emphasize the "equip(ing) of the 
saints for the work of ministry"? How can he be protected from becoming 
too-busy doing their "work" for them.? How might the pastor, and certain 
hyper-active "saints", may resist leaping to do most of the "work of the 
ministry" - because in so doing they deny the blessing of service to 
others? Is it not evidence of maturity and wisdom for them to learn to 
to wait a bit when a need arises to allow the Lord God, through His 
indwelling Holy Spirit, to make clear whom He has been preparing in the 
body to be blessed as a conduit of His blessing?


        Reflect

What does the phrase "... to equip the saints for the work of ministry" 
mean to you?


        Share

When have you experienced an example of a faithful teacher preparing you 
"for the work of ministry", showing you opportunities to serve, coaching 
and mentoring you, but then allowing you to do and to grow and then to 
multiply yourself as they multiplied themselves in you and others?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to you some things you have been doing 
which you have not been called and/or have not been gifted to do?


        Action:

Today I commit to partner with the Holy Spirit in "... equip[ing] the 
saints for the work of ministry" by teaching, coaching, equipping, and 
mentoring others to do what they have been called and/or have been 
gifted to do -- so that I may focus on those things to which I have been 
called.


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Wednesday's text will be:


      Ephesians 4:14-16



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Jan 30 22:18:22 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:18:22 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Radical Islamic Chaplains Infiltrate College
 Campuses, Creating Homegrown Terrorists
Message-ID: <4F275D7E.5000603@lightlink.com>

http://news.investors.com/Article/598759/201201241804/college-muslim-chaplains-al-qaida-hamas-background-checks.htm

-- 
"Socialism is so bad a system that not even the Germans could
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Jan 31 01:02:20 2012
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Marsha West -- Gladiator-style takedown of
	demonic forces - an FYI!
Message-ID: <4F2783EC.1050307@lightlink.com>

http://www.newswithviews.com/West/marsha225.htm

-- 
"Socialism is so bad a system that not even the Germans could
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From dcolburn at bibleseven.com  Tue Jan 31 21:34:09 2012
From: dcolburn at bibleseven.com (dcolburn at bibleseven.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] B7 - Wednesday - Ephesians 4:14-16
Message-ID: <4F28A4A1.6040909@bibleseven.com>


    Wednesday


      Ephesians 4:14-16


4:14 So we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves 
and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people 
who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes.

4:15 But practicing the truth in love, we will in all things grow up 
into Christ, who is the head.

4:16 From him the whole body grows, fitted and held together through 
every supporting ligament. As each one does its part, the body grows in 
love.



      Prayer


Lord, You draw us together for safety and strength and from that safe 
place we are able to discern falsehoods and to resist manipulation. May 
I invest in intimate fellowship with mature fellow believers.



      Summary & Commentary


We are to be as teachable as children but not as gullible. Paul 
previously complimented the Bereans for their intentional-validation of 
all teaching by consulting the Word of God (as much as they had of it in 
their day).


We have the Word of God, the indwelling Holy Spirit, and are engaged in 
constant growth in maturity; therefore, we are without excuse for a lack 
of discernment and/or a lack of progress toward intentional-holiness.


Paul warned again that there would be people who would "craftily carry 
out their deceitful schemes" with the intent of creating non-Biblical 
fads "every wind of teaching" and that believers are not to be "tossed 
back and forth by waves and carried about".


He concluded with the reminder that together, in unity from love, we may 
stand strong against deceivers and that the truth will be found in the 
atmosphere of God's love and unity.



      Interaction



        Consider

There may be local "preachers" as well as radio and television 
"preachers" who promote all manner of magical thinking; the "prosperity 
gospel", magical healing from a napkin touched by them (which one may 
receive for a "small donation"), legalism-equals-righteousness, 
tradition-equals-truth, etc. They were condemned in the most strident 
terms by Jesus and by the faithful apostles and prophets and teachers of 
the New Testament Bible as well.


        Discuss

What is the result when people join fellowships as members, or as 
leaders, and then they attempt to "craftily carry out their deceitful 
schemes"?


        Reflect

If the Holy Spirit is to use the Word to guide and to protect us from 
the charlatans the Word needs to be in our minds for Him to reference, 
and the Word needs to be authoritative so that we are willing to accept 
a hard teaching - no matter the circumstances. Walking together with 
others provides us with shared wisdom and strength.


        Share

When have you shared Biblical knowledge and maturity within a fellowship 
and then together, in unity from love, you stood strong against 
deceivers. What was the result?



      Faith in Action


        Prayer:

Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal new opportunities to study the Word, 
together with others, in order to be better equipped to discern and to 
resist deceivers.


        Action:

Today I will ask another believer to join me in a brief topical study, 
in-person or online, of deceivers from the New Testament. (See 
http://bible.org/seriespage/instruction-concerning-false-teachers-church-titus-110-16 
)


        Be Specific ______________________________________________________



    Thursday's text will be:


      Ephesians 4:17-19



-- 

Draw nearer to the Lord and He will bless you,
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!
David M. Colburn, DMin. MaCo
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Savannah-Statesboro needs a Bible College/Seminary!
Personal Site: http://bibleseven.com
Bible Resources: http://bible.org
Teacher's Verse: John 7:16
I don't google I SEARCH! Yippy.com
1Cor. 15:22 "For just as in Adam all die, so also in
Christ all will be made alive."
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