[Linux4christians] I need some advice.

usacomputertech usacomputertech at mindblowingidea.com
Fri May 20 14:16:18 EDT 2011


In the beginning God's perfect plan was for Man and Woman to live 
directly under Him and be accountable to Him. Problem was that because 
of a lack of previous experience with sin they chose not to follow God.

God Said I will be your God and you will be my People.

In Samuel God warned the people not to have a ruler or king on earth but 
to have God as their leader.

Jesus said in Matthew 23 that God was to be our teacher, leader, and 
Father.

After Jesus ascended into heaven His followers (men) decided to invent 
our modern Church system, unfortunately there were many mistakes as an 
outcome of organising religion, appointing leaders, ect.  These mistakes 
are reflected in the letters sent to the Churches.

There you go.

On 05/20/2011 06:22 AM, Billy F. Staggs wrote:
> Peter, could you tell me who the author is? Granted I haven't had time 
> to look them over thoroughly, but I don't seem to be able to find any 
> information regarding there origin.  The home page shows to be edited 
> very recently (yesterday) so someone appears to be actively 
> maintaining them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> bstaggs <><
>
> On 5/19/2011 10:19 PM, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
>> An interesting concept I have been hearing about is the suggestion 
>> that "elders", "deacons", and "pastors" (bishops) are all used 
>> interchangeably in the NT.  Here's an essay that gathers together all 
>> uses of the Greek terms (presbuteros, episkopos, poimainen, diakonos) 
>> and shows how they were used in context:
>> http://www.biblepages.web.surftown.se/ee01d.htm
>>
>> I don't really have a horse in this fight; you can believe one or the 
>> other about church structure and it doesn't affect your salvation.  
>> Personally I don't believe there is scriptural basis for a hierarchy; 
>> it just lists various occupations without giving organizational 
>> structure to them ("And forsooth, ye deacons needs must answer to 
>> thine elders, who art subject to the bishops...") but maybe I'm just 
>> not reading the epistles carefully enough to catch it.
>>
>> Our small (maybe 100 families on the books, 50 attending at any given 
>> time) has none of that.  We have one full-time pastor whose job is to 
>> lead the worship services; the entire rest of the church body is 
>> expected to hold him accountable, conduct small group studies as we 
>> are called by God to do so, and maintain the physical needs of the 
>> church building.  Unlike churches I've been to that do have formally 
>> appointed committees -- deacons, elders, whatever -- there has never 
>> been a single argument about money, music, carpet colors, or anything 
>> else that I am aware of.  And the church just keeps growing... the 
>> first time I went there were maybe 20 people total in the whole building.
>>
>> Shalom,
>>
>> */PBS/*
>>
>>
>
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