[Linux4christians] I need some advice.
dcolburn at bibleseven.com
dcolburn at bibleseven.com
Tue May 17 17:53:35 EDT 2011
The problem is that your "thinking" cannot be reconciled with the
You appear to be "Criticizing the Bible with a pen knife ..." as John
Stott has put it, you are ignoring significant Biblical text in an effort
to 'proof-text' what you want the Word of God to say. That is poor
scholarship and will lead you to wrong understanding and action.
The text of the Bible instructs that we have structure. Period.
BTW: Some people tried to make of Paul an idol, others tried to
make of Apollos an idol, and they were chastized by Paul for so
These are hard teachings for some but they are Biblical.
> usacomputertech wrote:
> I think when Jesus was on earth in human form he was the head of a
> perfect Church run the perfect way. His followers didn't understand
> Him at the time but I believe His ministry was perfect.
> After He ascended the whole church structure formed and denominations
> were created. There was the Church of Apollos who bragged because
> they followed Paul. Others followed Christ's teachings. This is where
> the break down in Churches started. I think the Church that existed
> before Churches were established was the correct model.
> "So you don't want to go to Church anymore" read that.
> On 05/16/2011 03:56 PM, dcolburn at bibleseven.com wrote:
> > This is kinda out of full context - please add the considerable
> > teaching about "elders" and the Biblical *gift* of teaching - then
> > try to reassemble the construct - if you would?
> > Is there someone or some book(s) you are hearing or reading that
> > has prompted you along this path, please?
> > Humans mature at different rates, learn in different ways, and
> > require a social 'container' to keep them from anarchy.
> > There is a reason why Jesus taught us to honor and obey 'leaders'.
> > We met for a brief while with some 'home fellowship' folks who took
> > the no leader(s) and no agenda view - it was a mess because when
> > one creates a vacuum -- the enemy-manipulated flesh fills it.
> > Think of the intertestamental period "Where each did as he saw
> > best."
> > Also note in the NT:
> > Jesus was a teacher.
> > Paul was a teacher.
> > Peter was a teacher.
> > John was a teacher.
> > Timothy was a teacher.
> > Titus was a teacher.
> > And others ...
> > And they were instructed to multiply themselves, to create
> > structures for accountability and order within the fellowships.
> > There simply is no Biblical way to justify a boundary-free and/or
> > structure-free Biblical fellowship.
> > OTOH, to build a fellowship where the boundaries and structure do
> > not "wag the dog" of Bible learning and Biblical living is an equal
> > challenge.
> > We have worked inside cell, house, home, and a wide variety of
> > associational fellowships -- they were *all* imperfect.
> > The best were always where those with leadership gifts and
> > responsibilities viewed themselves as coaches and mentors rather
> > than as celebrities and/or dictators.
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