[Linux4christians] OOT: My stand on Gay/Lesbian
Billy F. Staggs
bstaggs at staggs.net
Wed Sep 29 01:26:19 EDT 2010
On 9/28/2010 11:54 PM, David Kuntadi wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Billy F. Staggs<bstaggs at staggs.net> wrote:
>> Does he have anything to support this claim?
> I have mentioned before:
> Mat 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have
> forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
You said that your Pastor told you that, so he is basing his claim that
Peter left his wife on this same reading (misreading in my opinion) of
Mat 19:27? Are you honestly trying to encourage Christian's to leave
their spouses to better serve God?
>> I don't recall any such statement from Scripture, please quote something to support this. The only inner circle that comes to my
>> mind is Peter, James and John and we know that Peter was married.... If the "pigs and dogs" comes from Matthew 7:6, YIKES!
>> You are WAY out of context with that, in my opinion.
> So, what is the correct context for pigs and dogs from Mathew 7:6?
Certainly not when referring to other believes and fellow servants.
Here is what Gill has to say on Matthew 7:6 and it doesn't support your
position in the least.
Mat 7:6 - Give not that which is holy to the dogs,.... Dogs were unclean
creatures by the law; the price of one might not be brought into the
house of the Lord, for a vow, Deu_23:18 yea, these creatures were not
admitted into several temples of the Heathens (h). Things profane and
unclean, as flesh torn by beasts, were ordered to be given to them,
Exo_22:31 but nothing that was holy was to be given them, as holy flesh,
or the holy oblations, or anything that was consecrated to holy uses; to
which is the allusion here. It is a common maxim (i) with the Jews,
???? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????, "that they do not redeem holy
things, to give to the dogs to eat".''
Here the phrase is used in a *metaphorical sense; and is generally
understood of not delivering or communicating the holy word of God, and
the truths of the Gospel, comparable to pearls, or the ordinances of it,
to persons notoriously vile and sinful*: to men, who being violent and
furious persecutors, and impudent blasphemers, are compared to "dogs";
or to such, who are scandalously vile, impure in their lives and
conversations, and are therefore compared to swine;
neither cast ye your pearls before swine. But since the subject Christ
is upon is reproof, it seems rather to be the design of these
expressions, that men should *be cautious, and prudent, in rebuking and
admonishing such persons for their sins, in whom there is no appearance
or hope of success*; yea, where there is danger of sustaining loss;
lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you:
that is, despise the admonitions and reproofs given, and hurt the
persons who give them, either by words or deeds; see Pro_9:7. The Jews
have some sayings much like these, and will serve to illustrate them (k);
?? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????, "do not cast pearls before swine", nor
deliver wisdom to him, who knows not the excellency of it; for wisdom is
better than pearls, and he that does not seek after it, is worse than a
(h) Vid. Alex. ab. Alex. Gaeial. Dier. l. 2. c. 14. (i) T. Bab. Temura,
fol. 17. 1. & 31. 1. & 33. 2. Becorot, fol. 15. 1. Hieros. Pesachim,
fol. 27. 4. & Maaser Sheni, fol. 53. 3. (k) Mischar Happeninim apud
Buxtorf. Florileg. Heb. p. 306.
>> Not from my words, Paul instructed them to marry "to avoid fornication".
> Surely Paul did not need a wife to avoid fornication, or did he?
Paul didn't, but he was clearly advsing others to do so rather than to
>> 1 Corinthians 7:1–9 (KJV) Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
>> I agree that it is calling for "some" people, but to call it "higher" is not for me to say.
> Sure there are higher calling, as Paul also mentioned what he wrote is
> merely "milk", not "meat"
> 1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye
> were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
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