[Linux4christians] OOT: My stand on Gay/Lesbian
Billy F. Staggs
bstaggs at staggs.net
Tue Sep 28 11:52:35 EDT 2010
On 9/28/2010 9:33 AM, David Kuntadi wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Billy F. Staggs<bstaggs at staggs.net> wrote:
>> On 9/28/2010 8:19 AM, David Kuntadi wrote:
>> God gave mankind the gift of sexual relations to be shared only between a
>> husband and a wife and within that context it is to be enjoyed.
> Then why Jesus is not married? Paul is not married, and even now Pope
> and catholic pastors are not married?
What about Peter?
Matthew 8:14 (KJV) And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw
his *wife's mother* laid, and sick of a fever.
Paul certainly was not against married men from holding offices within
1 Timothy 3:1--4 (KJV) This is a true saying, If a man desire the office
of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless,
the *husband of one wife*, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to
hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of
filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth
well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1 Timothy 3:12 (KJV) Let the deacons be the *husbands of one wife*,
ruling their children and their own houses well.
Titus 1:5--9 (KJV) For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou
shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in
every city, as I had appointed thee: If any be blameless, the *husband
of one wife*, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled,
not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy
lucre; But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just,
holy, temperate; Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,
that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the
1 Corinthians 9:3--5 (KJV) Mine answer to them that do examine me is
this, Have we not power to eat and to drink? Have we not power to lead
about a sister, *a wife*, as well as other apostles, and as *the
brethren of the Lord, and Cephas*?
I am not Catholic and therefore I can not address their practices, other
than to say, from the outside looking in it would "appear" that some of
these requirements have caused undo suffering lately.
> And you have not commented on below scripture:
No I did no believe it was necessary considering the Scripture I have
already offered, but apparently I wrongly assumed.
Let's deal with the quotation from Matthew, but we must first set the
Matthew 19:3 (KJV) The Pharisees also came unto him, *tempting him*, and
saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for *every
The Pharisees are "tempting him" in a misguided attempt to twist the
Scriptures out of context to meet their own desires. But as always, the
Lord is able to turn the tables on them and teach us something while
Matthew 19:4--6 (KJV) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not
read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and
female, And said, *For this cause shall a man leave father and mother,
and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh*?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath
joined together, let not man put asunder.
Clearly the Lord is reaffirming the sanctity and scope of marriage. The
Pharisees ever looking for a loophole, remind the Lord that the law
allowed for divorce.
Matthew 19:8--9 (KJV) He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness
of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the
beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away
his wife, *except it be for fornication*, and shall marry another,
committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth
Again the Lord reaffirms the magnitude of marriage and the consequences
for trying to pervert what God intended. So with the weight of His
answer heavy on the minds they conclude that perhaps marriage is not
worth the risk.
Matthew 19:10--12 (KJV) His disciples say unto him, If the case of the
man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them,
*All men cannot receive this saying*, save they to whom it is given. For
there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and
there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be
eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs *for the kingdom of heaven's
sake*. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
The disciples point blank ask Him "if ... it is not good to marry" and
He dose not confirm their inquiry and considering His previous
statements it would be unnecessary as He has already given His Blessing
to the union between man and woman. He does however introduce a new
state of being into the conversation. Some eunuchs are created by man,
meaning they did not choice to be celibate but rather were emasculated
and the choice was made for them. But still others were ordain by God
to be total dedicated to His Calling and Work and therefore it would be
more expedient for them to not be burdened by the responsibility of a
spouse and family. Paul also states this:
1 Corinthians 7:1--9 (KJV) Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote
unto me: *It is good for a man not to touch a woman.** **Nevertheless,
to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
woman have her own husband*. Let the husband render unto the wife due
benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath
not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the
husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one
the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give
yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan
tempt you not for your incontinency. *But I speak this by permission,
and not of commandment*. For I would that all men were even as I myself.
But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and
another after that. I say therefore *to the unmarried and widows*, It is
good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let
them marry: *for it is better to marry than to burn*.
To be celibate would obviously be an advantage in some Callings, but not
at the expense of lusting and it certiainly not required for all
clurgy. That is what I believe is being taught here.
>> Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their
>> mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of
>> men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the
>> kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him
>> receive it.
>> 1Co 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is
>> good for a man not to touch a woman.
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