From fmiller at lightlink.com Mon Mar 1 19:15:44 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:15:44 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Security expert: U.S. would lose cyber war
Message-ID: <4B8C58B0.9000507@lightlink.com>
*Security expert: U.S. would lose cyber war*
The U.S. government, if confronted in a cyber war today, would not come
out on top, a former U.S. director of national intelligence said
Tuesday. *Read More*
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There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals)
because dogma is more important than the truth!
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Mar 1 21:21:55 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:21:55 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 8:31-33-9:1, Luke 9:23-27,
Matthew 16:21-28 (Tuesday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Tue Mar 2 01:11:48 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 01:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Dissident Lutherans forming new denomination
Message-ID: <4B8CAC24.2090904@lightlink.com>
Dissident Lutherans forming new denomination
A new Lutheran denomination is being formed for congregations opposed to
the homosexual-friendly policy of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in
America.
--
There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals)
because dogma is more important than the truth!
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Mar 2 16:50:47 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:50:47 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 9:2-13, Matthew 17:1-13,
Luke 9:28-36 (Wednesday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Wed Mar 3 21:00:31 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 9:14-29, Matthew 17:14-21,
Luke 9:37-43 (Thursday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Thu Mar 4 21:07:02 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:07:02 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 9:30-37, Matthew 17:22-27, 18:1-9,
Luke 9:46-48 (Friday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Fri Mar 5 19:12:02 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:12:02 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 9:38-50, Luke 9:49-62 (Saturday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Sat Mar 6 12:04:24 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 12:04:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] The Scriptural Model for the Ministry of
Reconciliation - EXCELLENT!!
Message-ID: <4B928B18.1010001@lightlink.com>
One thing that jumped out at me as I examined all of the conversion
experiences in the Book of Acts was that *they did not all happen in
exactly the same way. *The required elements of repentance from a life
of sin and separation from God and faith in Jesus Christ as Savior were
there, but the process was quite different from circumstance to
circumstance.
http://www.awakengeneration.com/thoughts/befueled/1291
--
There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals)
because dogma is more important than the truth!
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Sat Mar 6 15:06:49 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:06:49 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Say It Ain't So, Mickysoft!
Message-ID: <4B92B5D9.7080105@lightlink.com>
Although its operating system and apps are so buggy that new
vulnerabilities are discovered with frightening regularity, Microsoft
now wants Internet users to pony up to cover the cost of cybersecurity.
The idea was put forth by Scott Charney, Redmond's vice president for
trustworthy computing, during a speech at the RSA Conference 2010
security convention earlier this week.
http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/69491.html?wlc=1267905472
--
There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals)
because dogma is more important than the truth!
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Mar 6 17:54:56 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:54:56 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 7:1-52 (Sunday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Mar 7 19:28:25 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:28:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 8:12-59 (Monday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Sun Mar 7 20:52:18 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Homeless congregation serves others
Message-ID: <4B945852.6090209@lightlink.com>
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Missions/Default.aspx?id=925252
--
"The sword of Muhammad and the Qur'an are the most fatal enemies of
civilization, liberty and truth which the world has ever known - an
unmitigated cultural disaster parading as God's will."
--Sir William Muir
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From Tim.Richard at crawfordmh.org Sun Mar 7 21:07:51 2010
From: Tim.Richard at crawfordmh.org (Tim Richard)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 20:07:51 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Homeless congregation serves others
Message-ID: <059901cabe64$28755aef$9279000a@cmhdo.org>
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http://www.onenewsnow.com/Missions/Default.aspx?id=925252
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civilization, liberty and truth which the world has ever known - an
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Mar 8 21:20:24 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 9 (Tuesday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:53:09 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 18:10-23 (Wednesday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 10 (Thursday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:37:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 11-12:12 (Friday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Fri Mar 12 20:41:04 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 10 (Saturday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Mar 13 19:21:32 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 12:13-13:34 (Sunday)
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From raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za Sun Mar 14 16:54:38 2010
From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:54:38 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] Upcoming ALPHA Release of OpenLP 2.0
Message-ID: <201003142254.38713.raoul.snyman@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
Hi folks,
Just wanted to let everyone know that my OpenLP project is releasing their
first ALPHA in two weeks time, on the 28th of March.
We've been working for about 18 months on this version of OpenLP, so we're
very proud of this upcoming release, and hope it gives folks a tangible idea
of what we've been up to all this time.
Read more on my blog post about it: http://is.gd/aD8oS
Website: http://openlp.org/
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/openlp
Twitter Account: http://twitter.com/openlp
--
Raoul Snyman, B.Tech IT (Software Engineering)
Saturn Laboratories
m: 082 550 3754
e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za
w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za
b: blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za
From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Mar 14 18:13:03 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:13:03 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 14:1-15:32 (Monday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 16-17:19 (Tuesday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:08:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 17:20-18:14 (Wednesday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Wed Mar 17 19:21:14 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:21:14 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux & Lip Gloss: 4K Sector Drives & Windows XP
Message-ID: <4BA163EA.6040706@lightlink.com>
http://chanweiyee.blogspot.com/2010/03/4k-sector-drives-windows-xp.html
--
Yawning is from Satan (Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509) - The Prophet
said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should
check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during
the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." -Q'uran
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Wed Mar 17 22:39:56 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:39:56 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 19:1-12, Mark 10:1-12,
Luke 16:18 (Thursday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Wed Mar 17 23:26:45 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:26:45 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] TCO: New research finds Macs in the enterprise
easier, cheaper to manage than Windows PCs
Message-ID: <4BA19D75.3040809@lightlink.com>
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=6294&tag=nl.e589
--
Yawning is from Satan (Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509) - The Prophet
said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should
check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during
the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." -Q'uran
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Thu Mar 18 01:12:31 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:12:31 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] $5.37.
Message-ID: <4BA1B63F.8030507@lightlink.com>
$5.37.
That's what the kid behind the counter at Taco Bell said to me.
I dug into my pocket and pulled out some lint and two dimes
and something that used to be a Jolly Rancher. Having
already handed the kid a five-spot, I started to head back
out to the truck to grab some change when the kid with the
Elmo hairdo said the harshest thing anyone has ever said to
me.
He said, "It's OK. I'll just give you the
senior citizen discount."
I turned to see who he was talking to and then heard the
sound of change hitting the counter in front of me.
"Only $4.68" he said cheerfully.
I stood there stupefied. I am 48, not even 50 yet? A mere
child! Senior citizen?
I took my burrito and walked out to the truck wondering
what was wrong with Elmo. Was he blind? As I sat in the
truck, my blood began to boil. Old? Me?
I'll show him, I thought. I opened the door and headed
back
inside. I strode to the counter, and there he was waiting
with a smile.
Before I could say a word, he held up something and jingled
it in front of me, like I could be that easily distracted!
What am I now?
A toddler?
"Dude! Can't get too far without your car keys,
eh?"
I stared with utter disdain at the keys.
I began to rationalize in my mind.
"Leaving keys behind hardly makes a man elderly!
It could happen to anyone!"
I turned and headed back to the truck.
I slipped the key into the ignition, but it wouldn't
turn.
What now?
I checked my keys and tried another.
Still nothing.
That's when I noticed the purple beads hanging from my
rear view mirror.
I had no purple beads hanging from my rearview mirror.
Then, a few other objects came into focus. The car seat in
the back seat. Happy Meal toys spread all over the
floorboard. A partially eaten doughnut
on the dashboard.
Faster than you can say ginkgo biloba, I flew out of the
alien vehicle.
Moments later I was speeding out of the parking lot,
relieved to finally be leaving this nightmarish stop in my
life. That is when I felt it, deep in the bowels of my
stomach: hunger! My stomach growled and churned, and I
reached to grab my burrito, only it was nowhere to be
found.
I swung the truck around, gathered my courage, and strode
back into the restaurant one final time.
There Elmo stood, draped in youth and black nail polish.
All I could think was, "What is the world coming
to?" All I could say was, "Did I leave my food and
drink in here?" At this point I was ready to ask a Boy
Scout to help me back to my vehicle, and then go straight
home and apply for Social Security benefits.
Elmo had no clue. I walked back out to the truck, and
suddenly a young lad came up and tugged on my jeans to get
my attention. He was holding up a
drink and a bag. His mother explained, "I think you
left this in my truck by mistake."
I took the food and drink from the little boy and
sheepishly apologized.
She offered these kind words: "It's OK. My
grandfather does stuff like this all the time."
All of this is to explain how I got a ticket doing 85 in a
40. Yes, I was racing some punk kid in a Toyota Prius. And
no, I told the officer, I'm not too old to be driving
this fast.
As I walked in the front door, my wife met me halfway down
the hall. I handed her a bag of cold food and a $300
speeding ticket. I promptly sat in my rocking chair and
covered up my legs with a blankey.
The good news was I had successfully found my way home.
--
Yawning is from Satan (Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509) - The Prophet
said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should
check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during
the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." -Q'uran
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Thu Mar 18 22:30:22 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:30:22 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 19:13-20:19, Mark 10:13-34,
Luke 18:15-34 (Friday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Fri Mar 19 18:31:25 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:31:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 20:20-34, Mark 10:35-52,
Luke 18:35-19:27 (Saturday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com Fri Mar 19 21:01:23 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Kernel vulnerabilities discovered in Ubuntu &
related flavors.
Message-ID: <4BA41E63.4020000@lightlink.com>
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7728&tag=content;col1&tag=nl.e589
--
Islam is a VERY backward religion, that MUST keep it's masses not only
in subjugation, but ignorant and maintain a feudal state that is always
at war, looking to take over the spoils of other societies. It is by
nature destructive and not constructive. The Q'oran is based on distortions
of the Bible, paganism, racism, hate, contradictions, and ignorance, with
a good dose of stupidity. -Fred A. Miller
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Mar 20 19:46:08 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:46:08 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 11:1-12:11 (Sunday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:32:27 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 21:1-22, Mark 11:1-28, Luke 19:28-48,
John 12:12-43 (Monday)
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com Sun Mar 21 22:44:45 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:44:45 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
Message-ID: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com>
Does anybody know how the Sword Project personal commentary module is
supposed to work?
I assumed that you just load it up and edit the entry for that chapter
and verse, but it doesn't do anything of the sort.
Do I need to edit it 'offline' somehow?
-Eddy
From hpp3 at lavabit.com Sun Mar 21 22:56:25 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
In-Reply-To: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com>
References: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4BA6DC59.8020606@lavabit.com>
On 03/21/2010 07:44 PM, Eddy Martin wrote:
> Does anybody know how the Sword Project personal commentary module is
> supposed to work?
> I assumed that you just load it up and edit the entry for that chapter
> and verse, but it doesn't do anything of the sort.
> Do I need to edit it 'offline' somehow?
>
> -Eddy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
Never mind, I figured it out.
In BibleTime, just right click on the Personal Commentary in the menu on
the left and select 'Edit'.
Am I alone in thinking this is not very intuitive?
Well, at least I know a little more than I knew before.
-Eddy
From karl at kleinpaste.org Sun Mar 21 23:46:41 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
In-Reply-To: <4BA6DC59.8020606@lavabit.com> (Eddy Martin's message of "Sun, 21
Mar 2010 19:56:25 -0700")
References: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com> <4BA6DC59.8020606@lavabit.com>
Message-ID:
Eddy Martin writes:
> In BibleTime, just right click on the Personal Commentary in the menu
> on the left and select 'Edit'.
> Am I alone in thinking this is not very intuitive?
Different apps under The Sword Project umbrella do it different ways.
In Xiphos, with Personal selected in the commentary window, one selects
Edit -> Open In Editor from the right-click context menu. I know the
original Windows UI ("The Sword Project for Windows") does it somehow
different, but I haven't used that one in so long, I no longer even
remember how. MacSword and BibleDesktop do it somehow else also.
What's intuitive to one person is not intuitive to another. Finding a
reasonably intuitive action as perceived by most people is hard. How
much does BT expect the user to interact with that menu? If it's a lot,
then maybe that makes more sense to more people. Xiphos provides a lot
of its features in context menus (because per-pane capabilities vary),
so Xiphos users learn to expect to find such things there.
I don't see BT's method as intuitive, either, but there are reasons
related to personal preference and taste for why I attached myself some
years ago to (what's known today as) Xiphos.
The BT guys are happy to take constructive suggestions for improvements.
And I'm more than passing acquainted with BT's project admin. Send
email to BT's mailing list, tell them what you think. They'll listen.
See this page for a capability comparison overview of Sword apps:
http://crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_SWORD_program
FYI, Xiphos 3.1.3 will be released within the next day or two, and
should appear in the usual repositories some few days after that.
--karl
Xiphos project admin
From hpp3 at lavabit.com Mon Mar 22 01:35:59 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:35:59 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
In-Reply-To:
References: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com> <4BA6DC59.8020606@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4BA701BF.2020103@lavabit.com>
On 03/21/2010 08:46 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> Eddy Martin writes:
>
>> In BibleTime, just right click on the Personal Commentary in the menu
>> on the left and select 'Edit'.
>> Am I alone in thinking this is not very intuitive?
>>
> Different apps under The Sword Project umbrella do it different ways.
>
> In Xiphos, with Personal selected in the commentary window, one selects
> Edit -> Open In Editor from the right-click context menu. I know the
> original Windows UI ("The Sword Project for Windows") does it somehow
> different, but I haven't used that one in so long, I no longer even
> remember how. MacSword and BibleDesktop do it somehow else also.
>
> What's intuitive to one person is not intuitive to another. Finding a
> reasonably intuitive action as perceived by most people is hard. How
> much does BT expect the user to interact with that menu? If it's a lot,
> then maybe that makes more sense to more people. Xiphos provides a lot
> of its features in context menus (because per-pane capabilities vary),
> so Xiphos users learn to expect to find such things there.
>
> I don't see BT's method as intuitive, either, but there are reasons
> related to personal preference and taste for why I attached myself some
> years ago to (what's known today as) Xiphos.
>
> The BT guys are happy to take constructive suggestions for improvements.
> And I'm more than passing acquainted with BT's project admin. Send
> email to BT's mailing list, tell them what you think. They'll listen.
>
> See this page for a capability comparison overview of Sword apps:
> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_SWORD_program
>
> FYI, Xiphos 3.1.3 will be released within the next day or two, and
> should appear in the usual repositories some few days after that.
>
> --karl
> Xiphos project admin
> _______________________________________________
>
I just downloaded and tried the Xiphos available in the Ubuntu 9.10 repos.
Works well and appears to be laid out nicer than BT, but some things
didn't work as I am used to them in Bibletime, or even BibleDesktop for
that matter, so I am immediately appreciative of your comment that what
is intuitive for some may not be for others.
The reason I commented that it's not intuitive is that I assumed you
could just open the module and start typing into it like a plain editor
window, and the module would automagically attach your writing to the
verse in context.
Making editing a separate task from viewing actually makes sense, though.
-Eddy
From karl at kleinpaste.org Mon Mar 22 08:35:35 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:35:35 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
In-Reply-To: <4BA701BF.2020103@lavabit.com> (Eddy Martin's message of "Sun, 21
Mar 2010 22:35:59 -0700")
References: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com> <4BA6DC59.8020606@lavabit.com>
<4BA701BF.2020103@lavabit.com>
Message-ID:
Eddy Martin writes:
> I just downloaded and tried the Xiphos available in the Ubuntu 9.10 repos.
> Works well and appears to be laid out nicer than BT, but some things
> didn't work as I am used to them in Bibletime, or even BibleDesktop
> for that matter, so I am immediately appreciative of your comment that
> what is intuitive for some may not be for others.
In Sword-related mailing lists, now and again we find ourselves
discussing the concept of workflow. The workflow of Xiphos is not the
same as any of the other Sword apps, most especially due to the tabbed
nature of our interface -- people get used to having a bunch of tabs,
each containing a Bible + commentary + other stuff.
The BibleTime workflow is very different because it doesn't create sets
of this sort. BibleDesktop is different because its main display allows
e.g. random verse lists to appear as a result of search.
> The reason I commented that it's not intuitive is that I assumed you
> could just open the module and start typing into it like a plain
> editor window, and the module would automagically attach your writing
> to the verse in context.
> Making editing a separate task from viewing actually makes sense, though.
Yes, the view -vs- edit distinction is usually important. Mostly, the
apps don't treat their main display windows as edit-ready, because by
far most windows have content that the users did not generate.
Over time, this may change, as the single most common driving force for
new capabilities (for Xiphos users, anyway) is users' desire for more
editable content. This is why Xiphos has not just the personal
commentary, but Xiphos can rename and produce more than one personal
commentary, we have prayerlists/journals, and we have verse annotation
on the "yellow highlighter + margin notes" metaphor.
--karl
From hpp3 at lavabit.com Mon Mar 22 11:46:41 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:46:41 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
In-Reply-To:
References: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com>
<4BA6DC59.8020606@lavabit.com>
<4BA701BF.2020103@lavabit.com>
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On 03/22/2010 05:35 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> Eddy Martin writes:
>
>> I just downloaded and tried the Xiphos available in the Ubuntu 9.10 repos.
>> Works well and appears to be laid out nicer than BT, but some things
>> didn't work as I am used to them in Bibletime, or even BibleDesktop
>> for that matter, so I am immediately appreciative of your comment that
>> what is intuitive for some may not be for others.
>>
> In Sword-related mailing lists, now and again we find ourselves
> discussing the concept of workflow. The workflow of Xiphos is not the
> same as any of the other Sword apps, most especially due to the tabbed
> nature of our interface -- people get used to having a bunch of tabs,
> each containing a Bible + commentary + other stuff.
>
> The BibleTime workflow is very different because it doesn't create sets
> of this sort. BibleDesktop is different because its main display allows
> e.g. random verse lists to appear as a result of search.
>
>
>> The reason I commented that it's not intuitive is that I assumed you
>> could just open the module and start typing into it like a plain
>> editor window, and the module would automagically attach your writing
>> to the verse in context.
>> Making editing a separate task from viewing actually makes sense, though.
>>
> Yes, the view -vs- edit distinction is usually important. Mostly, the
> apps don't treat their main display windows as edit-ready, because by
> far most windows have content that the users did not generate.
>
> Over time, this may change, as the single most common driving force for
> new capabilities (for Xiphos users, anyway) is users' desire for more
> editable content. This is why Xiphos has not just the personal
> commentary, but Xiphos can rename and produce more than one personal
> commentary, we have prayerlists/journals, and we have verse annotation
> on the "yellow highlighter + margin notes" metaphor.
>
> --karl
> _______________________________________________
>
I've given Xiphos a *small* workout today and I must say I'm warming up
to it, although my focus so far with Bible study applications has been
ease of accessing information rather than editable content, but I'm
getting there... :)
While we're on the topic, there are two things I'd personally like to
see, maybe they're already there, I just don't know the interface well
enough.
Can you advise?
1- In Bibletime, I can set the "magnifier" pane to show me Strong's
entries when I hover the mouse over a word (appears to be KJV only...).
So far in Xiphos, I can't find out how to display Strong's at all.
Wait, I just found it, but it doesn't display "in context"; you have to
know the Strong's number to look up and enter it manually.
2- While the Tabbed interface seems to be quite useful, it would be nice
to display a verse in a new tab by adding "Open in New Tab" to the
right-click menu from results of a search query or cross-reference like
the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, etc.
OK, just figured out a workaround: Select a verse or list, open a new
tab, double-click the verse from the "verse list" view
Oh dear, I just crashed it...
Anyways, two cents, grain of salt, etc.
I'm going to quit fiddling with the buttons now and actually study a bit...
-Eddy
From karl at kleinpaste.org Mon Mar 22 13:10:33 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:10:33 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
In-Reply-To: <4BA790E1.2010008@lavabit.com> (Eddy Martin's message of "Mon, 22
Mar 2010 08:46:41 -0700")
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Eddy Martin writes:
> 1- In Bibletime, I can set the "magnifier" pane to show me Strong's
> entries when I hover the mouse over a word (appears to be KJV
> only...). So far in Xiphos, I can't find out how to display Strong's
> at all.
> Wait, I just found it, but it doesn't display "in context"; you have
> to know the Strong's number to look up and enter it manually.
The presence of Strong's numbers is something defined on a per-module
basis, being dependent on whether the module is marked up for it. Most
Bibles don't, but some do. Other markup-specific features are
morphology, lemmas, and red words of Christ (equally rare), xrefs and
footnotes (pretty common), headings (very common), and some other stuff.
Right-click in the Bible pane to get the context menu, and see Module
Options. The set of things that can be enabled there depends on which
of these sorts of bits the module provides. CrossWire's KJV module has
Strongs and morphology (that is, indicators of parts of speech), among
other things. Some very plain (esp. non-English) Bibles have no module
options at all.
In Xiphos, and under Linux, when you enable Strong's or morphology, the
display changes so that each word is shown in a blocked format with the
word, its Strongs number, and morphology detail in a vertical set. In
Win32, we are still using the older display driver, and so it displays
these extra data bits inline as part of the text. Regrets, this will
change in 3.2. The work is in progress to integrate the better display
engine, but in Win32, it's *hard*. See the manual -- off main menu
under Help -- and see ?3.9 for a comparison of the old display
methodology -vs- the new.
Hovering/clicking a Strongs number or morphology abbreviation will make
interesting things happen, first in the previewer (hover) and then in
the dictionary window (click).
Above all, when using Xiphos, allow yourself to be curious. You'll find
interesting things in all sorts of places.
> 2- While the Tabbed interface seems to be quite useful, it would be
> nice to display a verse in a new tab by adding "Open in New Tab" to
> the right-click menu from results of a search query or cross-reference
> like the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, etc.
It's a thought. Feel free to file a feature request.
> Oh dear, I just crashed it...
Hm. We've considered ourselves pretty crash-free and solid in Linux;
there are occasional warts in Win32 because of...well, because of a lot
of stuff. Write me privately and tell me exactly what you were doing
when it died. If it dropped a core, we might find it useful to have you
get a backtrace out of it. We always fix some bugs as we make
development progress, and perhaps you've tripped over one we've already
fixed, in which case, as soon as the 3.1.3 packages are ready, you can
upgrade and get a fix.
From hpp3 at lavabit.com Mon Mar 22 13:48:35 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Sword Project personal commentary question
In-Reply-To:
References: <4BA6D99D.9050107@lavabit.com>
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On 03/22/2010 10:10 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> The presence of Strong's numbers is something defined on a per-module
> basis, being dependent on whether the module is marked up for it. Most
> Bibles don't, but some do. Other markup-specific features are
> morphology, lemmas, and red words of Christ (equally rare), xrefs and
> footnotes (pretty common), headings (very common), and some other stuff.
> Right-click in the Bible pane to get the context menu, and see Module
> Options. The set of things that can be enabled there depends on which
> of these sorts of bits the module provides. CrossWire's KJV module has
> Strongs and morphology (that is, indicators of parts of speech), among
> other things. Some very plain (esp. non-English) Bibles have no module
> options at all.
>
> In Xiphos, and under Linux, when you enable Strong's or morphology, the
> display changes so that each word is shown in a blocked format with the
> word, its Strongs number, and morphology detail in a vertical set.
>
..
> Hovering/clicking a Strongs number or morphology abbreviation will make
> interesting things happen, first in the previewer (hover) and then in
> the dictionary window (click).
>
Thanks for the tip, I just tried it...
Personally I find it a bit messy to show the numbers in with the text
(one thing I didn't like about BibleDesktop), but once again, that's
just my two cents.
I usually find myself in the KJV, so the Strong's references are a
natural...
> Above all, when using Xiphos, allow yourself to be curious. You'll find
> interesting things in all sorts of places.
>
Will do.
>> 2- While the Tabbed interface seems to be quite useful, it would be
>> nice to display a verse in a new tab by adding "Open in New Tab" to
>> the right-click menu from results of a search query or cross-reference
>> like the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, etc.
>>
> It's a thought. Feel free to file a feature request.
>
Will do.
>> Oh dear, I just crashed it...
>>
> Hm. We've considered ourselves pretty crash-free and solid in Linux;
> there are occasional warts in Win32 because of...well, because of a lot
> of stuff. Write me privately and tell me exactly what you were doing
> when it died. If it dropped a core, we might find it useful to have you
> get a backtrace out of it. We always fix some bugs as we make
> development progress, and perhaps you've tripped over one we've already
> fixed, in which case, as soon as the 3.1.3 packages are ready, you can
> upgrade and get a fix.
>
I can't reproduce the crash right now, all I remember is clicking a
verse number and *poof*.
I'll mail later today if I come up with anything.
Thanks for all the advice, like I said I'm still warming up to it. :)
-Eddy
From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Mar 22 17:50:44 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:50:44 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 21:1-22:33, Mark 11:27-12:27,
Luke 20:1-40 (Tuesday)
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From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Novell turns down unsolicited offer: What's it
worth and who's buying?
Message-ID: <4BA83BF4.7000309@lightlink.com>
Simply put, it's a positive sign that someone wants to take out Novell,
but the company is right to question Elliott's motives. The Elliott
Associates deal isn't what it appears. Elliott Associates offered to buy
Epicor in 2008 at $9.50 a share, but then lowered its bid to $7.50 a
share. Elliott in November 2008 terminated its bid. Why would Novell
risk a repeat performance from Elliott?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=32124&tag=nl.e539
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From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:12:38 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Bad security update brings down PCs worldwide
Message-ID: <4BA94AE6.7060003@lightlink.com>
Bad security update brings down PCs worldwide
A number of BitDefender users, whose 64-bit Windows systems stopped
working or were unable to be rebooted after updating their security
programs, vented their frustration by flooding its forum pages over the
weekend. by Kevin Kwang ZDNet Asia
READ FULL STORY
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:52:10 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 22:34-23:39, Mark 12:28-44,
Luke 20:41-21:4 (Wednesday)
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From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:51:43 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Commodore,
the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back.
Message-ID: <4BAAA58F.3040609@lightlink.com>
http://www.commodoreusa.net/tech.html
Commodore, the same company behind the Commodore 64, is back. Their
first major US product in decades is a feature rich all-in-one
keyboard PC pre-installed with Ubuntu Linux.
The unit comes with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor upgradeable to 3GHz
on an Intel G31 Express Chipset mobo that supports up to 4GB of
PC2-5300 667MHz& PC2- 6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM. Graphics are provided by
an Intel GMA 3100 and support for two displays. Storage is done via
SATA2 with an option to upgrade to 2TBs, and there is also an option
for a removable HDD as well. The computer can be expanded with 4 USB
2.0 slots, two serial port, PS/2 mouse& keyboard ports, a parallel
printer port, and combined mini-PCI/PCI-e port. Network is via
Gigabit LAN or optional Wi-Fi, which also includes a Bluetooth radio
as well. Sound is provided by a Realtek AL888 High Definition Audio
which is Ubuntu compatible out of the box. The optical drive can be a
standard DVD-RW or Blu-Ray drive. The AMI BIOS supports booting from
USB devices, and the system has EFI support (meaning its Hackintosh
ready), and the full-sized keyboard features a laptop style touch pad
mouse. Though the specs don't list it, in one of the images you can
clearly see what looks like a credit card swipe slot-reader.
The product isn't going to be officially rolled out until June. The
biggest deal is this machine is the fact that its pre-installed with
Ubuntu by default and uses hardware that is very Linux friendly. A
number of other operating systems are listed as being compatible.
They also say it can run Mac OS X, but you have to turn it into a
Hackintosh yourself and buy Mac OS X yourself. This doesn't make them
legally liable to Apple, a smart move.
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:12:33 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 24:1-35, Mark 13:1-27,
Luke 21:5-33 (Thursday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 24:36-25:30, Mark 13:32-37, Luke 21:32-38,
John 12:44-50 (Friday)
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From satimis at yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 06:20:36 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 03:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
Message-ID: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Hi folks,
Is there a Chinese version of Linux(daily)Bread? Thanks
B.R.
SL
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From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Fri Mar 26 08:23:02 2010
From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:23:02 +0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
In-Reply-To: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Stephen Liu wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Is there a Chinese version of Linux(daily)Bread? ?Thanks
Which Linux(daily)Bread are you talking about? Is it the one in Ubuntu CE?
DK
From l4c at thelinuxlink.net Fri Mar 26 11:41:39 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:41:39 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Hungry?
Message-ID: <4BACD5B3.3000302@thelinuxlink.net>
I was just clued in on this yesterday. Believe I will try it out this
upcoming month! I think it would be silly not to!
https://www.angelfoodministries.com
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In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
From gorkon at gmail.com Fri Mar 26 12:17:35 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:17:35 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Hungry?
In-Reply-To: <4BACD5B3.3000302@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BACD5B3.3000302@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <6dd08b11003260917l7023c710oeaa0a2b4c974e3e@mail.gmail.com>
Our church does this. The food is good.
On Mar 26, 2010 11:41 AM, "l4c" wrote:
I was just clued in on this yesterday. Believe I will try it out this
upcoming month! I think it would be silly not to!
https://www.angelfoodministries.com
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net Fri Mar 26 12:20:27 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:20:27 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Hungry?
In-Reply-To: <6dd08b11003260917l7023c710oeaa0a2b4c974e3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BACD5B3.3000302@thelinuxlink.net>
<6dd08b11003260917l7023c710oeaa0a2b4c974e3e@mail.gmail.com>
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Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
> Our church does this. The food is good.
>
>> On Mar 26, 2010 11:41 AM, "l4c" > > wrote:
>>
>> I was just clued in on this yesterday. Believe I will try it out this
>> upcoming month! I think it would be silly not to!
>>
>> https://www.angelfoodministries.com
Seriously... $30 for a weeks worth of food for a family of 4. Makes my
wallet say "HOORAY!"
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In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Fri Mar 26 13:21:02 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:21:02 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Hungry?
In-Reply-To: <6dd08b11003260917l7023c710oeaa0a2b4c974e3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BACD5B3.3000302@thelinuxlink.net>
<6dd08b11003260917l7023c710oeaa0a2b4c974e3e@mail.gmail.com>
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net Fri Mar 26 12:24:20 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:24:20 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Hungry?
In-Reply-To: <4BACECFE.8080903@bibleseven.com>
References: <4BACD5B3.3000302@thelinuxlink.net> <6dd08b11003260917l7023c710oeaa0a2b4c974e3e@mail.gmail.com>
<4BACECFE.8080903@bibleseven.com>
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Pastor David wrote:
> Nothing in the Stateboro-Savannah, GA area.
>
> There are two very busy food pantries sponsored by
> the local Southern Baptist association here. I will have
> to ask them if they are aware of this.
>
> Thanks for reminding me of this ministry.
There are instructions there on how to be able to get your local Church
started with this ministry.
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In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Fri Mar 26 21:53:14 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 13:1-17 (Saturday)
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From satimis at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 07:18:20 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:18:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
In-Reply-To: <9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Which Linux(daily)Bread are you talking about? Is it the one in Ubuntu CE?
Yes, DK
Also;
gVerse (Gnome GUI for verse)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gverse/
SL
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From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sat Mar 27 07:55:48 2010
From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:55:48 +0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
In-Reply-To: <508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
<508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9844155d1003270455q14e18b81sabd128c64307aa13@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Stephen Liu wrote:
>
>
>> Which ?Linux(daily)Bread are you talking about? Is it the one in Ubuntu CE?
>
> Yes, DK
>
In that case, I am the one who maintain it. Unfortunately there is no
Chinese version yet.
DK
From satimis at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 08:19:58 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 05:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
In-Reply-To: <9844155d1003270455q14e18b81sabd128c64307aa13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
<508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270455q14e18b81sabd128c64307aa13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <241841.65690.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Hi DK,
I may help you creating this version if possible.
SL
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Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 7:55:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Stephen Liu wrote:
>
>
>> Which Linux(daily)Bread are you talking about? Is it the one in Ubuntu CE?
>
> Yes, DK
>
In that case, I am the one who maintain it. Unfortunately there is no
Chinese version yet.
DK
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From satimis at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 09:33:31 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
In-Reply-To: <9844155d1003270541t14136432qf54b58bf2fb45d3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
<508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270455q14e18b81sabd128c64307aa13@mail.gmail.com>
<241841.65690.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> Yes, it is easy actually. Only a bit tedious. I attached a file, and
> copy to your personal mail in case the list do not allow attachement.
I got the file download. I can read it on gedit.
> Replace the verse with chinese version. For example:
> 0101|"The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from
> this time forth, and even for evermore."|Psalms 121:8
> replace it to
> 0101|" ????????????????????? "|Psalms 121:8
I must find an online Chinese Bible to work. There are many editions. Which one will be the official edition in Chinese, both Simplified and Traditional Chinese?
SL
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From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Sat Mar 27 09:49:12 2010
From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:49:12 +0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
In-Reply-To: <30396.60973.qm@web113205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
<508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270455q14e18b81sabd128c64307aa13@mail.gmail.com>
<241841.65690.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270541t14136432qf54b58bf2fb45d3e@mail.gmail.com>
<30396.60973.qm@web113205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9844155d1003270649k2ef81307v2f372d539474c549@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Stephen Liu wrote:
> I must find an online Chinese Bible to work. ?There are many editions. ?Which one will be the official edition in Chinese, both
> Simplified and Traditional Chinese?
That is the problem. I do not read or speak Chinese.
DK
From satimis at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 10:16:14 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 07:16:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ?
In-Reply-To: <9844155d1003270649k2ef81307v2f372d539474c549@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
<508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270455q14e18b81sabd128c64307aa13@mail.gmail.com>
<241841.65690.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270541t14136432qf54b58bf2fb45d3e@mail.gmail.com>
<30396.60973.qm@web113205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> That is the problem. I do not read or speak Chinese.
Don't worry. I found the solution. I'm now starting to work. I'll prepare both Traditional and Simplified Chinese versions. Please give me time.
SL
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Mar 27 15:38:28 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 26:1-16, Mark 14:1-11, Luke 22:1-6,
John 13:18-30 (Sunday)
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From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:52:47 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] OpenLP 2.0 Alpha 1 Released!
Message-ID: <201003281252.47334.raoul.snyman@saturnlaboratories.co.za>
It is with great pleasure that I announce the first alpha version of OpenLP
2.0! We've been working on this for a long time (since September 2008 if I
have my dates correct) and decided to give everyone a taste of what we've been
working on.
Read more about the release at
--
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e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za
w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za
b: blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za
From satimis at yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 22:02:37 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:02:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux(daily)Bread - Chinese version ? How to
test here?
In-Reply-To: <9844155d1003270649k2ef81307v2f372d539474c549@mail.gmail.com>
References: <870126.37545.qm@web113203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003260523i107efdbfgc3c4a592838f39cb@mail.gmail.com>
<508332.68857.qm@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270455q14e18b81sabd128c64307aa13@mail.gmail.com>
<241841.65690.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
<9844155d1003270541t14136432qf54b58bf2fb45d3e@mail.gmail.com>
<30396.60973.qm@web113205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>> I must find an online Chinese Bible to work. There are many editions. Which one will be the official edition in Chinese, both
>> Simplified and Traditional Chinese?
> That is the problem. I do not read or speak Chinese.
Hi DK,
I have finished the translation partially. Please advise whether;
/usr/share/linbread/linbread.dat
is the directory for linbread.date to be executed? The file for Traditional Chinese is "linbread_zh.dat' and for Simplified Chinese "linbread_cn.dat"
I'm prepared to test the translated file here. How to make toggling between English/Chinese?
Furthermore would it a good idea to discuss this topic off the list avoiding disturbing other folks? Then after finishing the translation, both Traditional and Simplified Chinese, I will post them to you on this mailing list. So that other folks can use them freely if they need. Afterwards we'll continue our discussion off the list.
SL
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Mar 28 21:23:56 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:23:56 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 26:17-30, Mark 14:12-26,
Luke 22:7-20 (Monday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 26:31-35, Mark 14:27-31, Luke 22:21-38,
John 13:31-38 (Tuesday)
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com Mon Mar 29 23:06:19 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:06:19 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
Message-ID: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
Hey all,
In our household, we have an old laptop that is far beyond it's useful
life (even with "lightweight" distros) and after much discussion I have
come to the conclusion that a netbook may be a good replacement.
Why do I think I want a netbook?
I have a 1-hour (each way) ferry commute to work, and I'd like to have
something that I can use for listening to sermons, software Bible
studies (sword project, etc.) and doing hobby stuff like electronic CAD,
and I'm hoping I won't need a full-size laptop to do what I'm intending,
especially when a netbook can often beat laptops in price by 200 dollars
or more.
Besides, a netbook won't give me shoulder strain after lugging it 3
blocks uphill ;)
So... does anybody have any experience running Gnu/Linux (any of the
'buntus, specifically) on a netbook and how does it perform for such
activities?
I'd typically listen to sermons and music with VLC, I prefer Bibletime
(though I'm warming to Xiphos), I tinker with electronic stuff using
CADSoft Eagle natively and LTSpice through Wine, and have been dabbling
in house repair/remodel designs with Qcad.
If a netbook just won't cut it, I'll look again at smaller-form laptops,
but for now I'm asking for real-world performance opinions, not Phoronix
benchmarks.
-Eddy
From satimis at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 23:31:52 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
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----- Original Message ----
From: Eddy Martin
To: Linux for Christians
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 11:06:19 AM
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
Hey all,
In our household, we have an old laptop that is far beyond it's useful life (even with "lightweight" distros) and after much discussion I have come to the conclusion that a netbook may be a good replacement.
Why do I think I want a netbook?
I have a 1-hour (each way) ferry commute to work, and I'd like to have something that I can use for listening to sermons, software Bible studies (sword project, etc.) and doing hobby stuff like electronic CAD, and I'm hoping I won't need a full-size laptop to do what I'm intending, especially when a netbook can often beat laptops in price by 200 dollars or more.
Besides, a netbook won't give me shoulder strain after lugging it 3 blocks uphill ;)
So... does anybody have any experience running Gnu/Linux (any of the 'buntus, specifically) on a netbook and how does it perform for such activities?
I'd typically listen to sermons and music with VLC, I prefer Bibletime (though I'm warming to Xiphos), I tinker with electronic stuff using CADSoft Eagle natively and LTSpice through Wine, and have been dabbling in house repair/remodel designs with Qcad.
If a netbook just won't cut it, I'll look again at smaller-form laptops, but for now I'm asking for real-world performance opinions, not Phoronix benchmarks.
Hi Eddy,
Just for listening to sermons and browsing online Bible a Netbook will serve your purpose.
For office work you need a Laptop. Today it's price is NOT expensive at all. We can say its price is quite cheap, why considering the Netbook.
If for engineering such as CAD, Qcad etc. you need a desktop with fast CPU, Graphic card, RAM etc.
B.R.
SL
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From ken at wa3fkg.com Mon Mar 29 23:38:28 2010
From: ken at wa3fkg.com (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:38:28 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
Message-ID:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Eddy Martin wrote:
> Hey all,
> In our household, we have an old laptop that is far beyond it's useful life
> (even with "lightweight" distros) and after much discussion I have come to
> the conclusion that a netbook may be a good replacement.
>
> Why do I think I want a netbook?
> I have a 1-hour (each way) ferry commute to work, and I'd like to have
> something that I can use for listening to sermons, software Bible studies
> (sword project, etc.) and doing hobby stuff like electronic CAD, and I'm
> hoping I won't need a full-size laptop to do what I'm intending, especially
> when a netbook can often beat laptops in price by 200 dollars or more.
> Besides, a netbook won't give me shoulder strain after lugging it 3 blocks
> uphill ;)
>
> So... does anybody have any experience running Gnu/Linux (any of the
> 'buntus, specifically) on a netbook and how does it perform for such
> activities?
> I'd typically listen to sermons and music with VLC, I prefer Bibletime
> (though I'm warming to Xiphos), I tinker with electronic stuff using CADSoft
> Eagle natively and LTSpice through Wine, and have been dabbling in house
> repair/remodel designs with Qcad.
>
> If a netbook just won't cut it, I'll look again at smaller-form laptops,
> but for now I'm asking for real-world performance opinions, not Phoronix
> benchmarks.
>
> -Eddy
>
>
I have no personal first hand experience with netbooks but from what I have
heard on podcasts and read about them on the net you were doing fine until
you mentioned running CAD software. All the indications I have are that if
you want to surf the web, read email or use an office suite for some writing
they are fine. For heavy duty lifting like CAD or video editing, for that
matter even still editing with gimp or Photoshop, are out of the processors
league. I would take the time to go to a Best Buy or someone who stocks
them and try out something like Open Office on whatever operating system
they have installed. If its Windows 7 compare the speed to on the netbook
to a low end laptop and then adjust knowing that other software is going to
tax system resources a lot more than Open Office.
I had thought about getting a netbook for my wife but after I got her a
laptop which she was initially happy with it wasn't long until she wanted
the laptop to do everything her fire breathing desktop system does. For me
it really is a no win situation. With the price difference between a
netbook and a laptop I would ponder for a while before laying down hard
cash.
--
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG John 3:16 http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net Tue Mar 30 08:05:22 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:05:22 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4BB1E902.8000901@thelinuxlink.net>
Eddy Martin wrote:
> Hey all,
> In our household, we have an old laptop that is far beyond it's useful
> life (even with "lightweight" distros) and after much discussion I have
> come to the conclusion that a netbook may be a good replacement.
>
> Why do I think I want a netbook?
> I have a 1-hour (each way) ferry commute to work, and I'd like to have
> something that I can use for listening to sermons, software Bible
> studies (sword project, etc.) and doing hobby stuff like electronic CAD,
> and I'm hoping I won't need a full-size laptop to do what I'm intending,
> especially when a netbook can often beat laptops in price by 200 dollars
> or more.
> Besides, a netbook won't give me shoulder strain after lugging it 3
> blocks uphill ;)
>
> So... does anybody have any experience running Gnu/Linux (any of the
> 'buntus, specifically) on a netbook and how does it perform for such
> activities?
> I'd typically listen to sermons and music with VLC, I prefer Bibletime
> (though I'm warming to Xiphos), I tinker with electronic stuff using
> CADSoft Eagle natively and LTSpice through Wine, and have been dabbling
> in house repair/remodel designs with Qcad.
>
> If a netbook just won't cut it, I'll look again at smaller-form laptops,
> but for now I'm asking for real-world performance opinions, not Phoronix
> benchmarks.
>
> -Eddy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
Well, I have had an Acer Aspire One since they came out. Didn't much
care for the Linpus Linux it came with so I put Linux Mint on it. Runs
phenomenally. It's a great little laptop!
--
-Linc Fessenden
In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
From fmiller at lightlink.com Mon Mar 29 23:30:27 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Gao Zhisheng Confirmed 'Alive!' Thanks to
International Support
Message-ID: <4BB17053.90403@lightlink.com>
ChinaAid
Gao Zhisheng Confirmed 'Alive!' Thanks to International Support
ChinaAid
March 29, 2010
Gao ZhishengSHANXI -- On Sunday, March 28, 2010, missing human rights
lawyer Gao Zhisheng spoke to his wife and children for the first time in
over a year - confirming he is still alive! False rumors of his death,
torture, and escape from the custody of the Chinese Government have
shrouded Gao's absence with mystery for over a year. Gao's brief phone
conversations with western media mark the first official contact the
public has had with him since his abduction by police on February 4, 2009.
Yesterday, Gao informed reporters that he had been released from
detention six months ago, and had taken up residence at Wutai Shan
mountain, a Buddhist landmark in northern Shanxi province. He refused to
give details on his condition or whereabouts, saying he could not
legally give interviews.
Close friend and fellow human rights lawyer Li Heping confirmed he had
also spoken with Gao on Sunday. Gao told him he had "friends around him"
- indicating he was being held under close surveillance by Chinese
authorities.
Gao's wife Geng He and their children were overwhelmed with emotion as
they spoke with Gao on Sunday morning. The children could not stop
crying. In a statement released on Monday morning, Geng He appealed to
the Chinese government to allow Gao Zhisheng to join the family in New
York. Gao's family has suffered greatly in his absence. Geng He's
parents have been severely harassed in recent months, for which Gao
feels guilty.
He told the Associated Press, "I just want to be in peace and quiet for
a while and be reunited with my family. Most people belong with family.
I have not been with mine for a long time. This is a mistake and I want
to correct this mistake."
While on his campaign in Europe
to promote awareness of Gao's cause, ChinaAid President Bob Fu
attributed the breakthrough to increased international pressure. "Thanks
to the more than 124,000 supporters in over 180 countries around the
world who have signed the petition to Free Gao, the Chinese Government
has been forced to respond and to allow Gao Zhisheng to reconnect with
his loved ones."
ChinaAid thanks you for your continued support and urges you to continue
to take action. From Argentina to Zimbabwe, you, the international
community have answered the call. And this is just the beginning.
Gao is not free yet. His movements are still being watched and
monitored. He is not free to speak publicly or without surveillance. We
must continue to press the Chinese government to free Gao Zhisheng, to
uncensor his movements, and to allow him to reunite with his family.
Take Action:
1. Encourage more to Sign the Petition
. Every voice
counts, and every voice will be heard!
2. Call on your local representatives
to take official action on behalf of Gao Zhisheng.
3. Urge U.N Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon
to hold the Chinese government to the international covenants on
human rights.
Thanks to you, the world has now regained contact with Mr. Gao Zhisheng.
Because of you, Gao was able to reconnect with his family. With your
continued support, we can make their dream of reunion a reality!
For more ways to get involved, visit www.FreeGao.com
.
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From pjvasquez at baeyogin.com Tue Mar 30 09:45:59 2010
From: pjvasquez at baeyogin.com (Peter J. Vasquez Sr.)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:45:59 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB1E902.8000901@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com> <4BB1E902.8000901@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <9f5542131003300645ma8c712fn3c2e38fd4a906b4f@mail.gmail.com>
I second this experience. I have 3 Aspire Ones, and have had several
of the other netbooks as well (Cloudbook, Asus EEEPC, HP Mini, Lenovo
S10). Without a doubt, the Aspire One's are the best constructed,
with the overall best performance I've found. In my opinion the
hardware on the 752 version is the best of these netbooks (11.6" LED
screen, HDMI out, supports 4GB RAM, long battery life, etc). I've run
FreeBSD/OpenBSD, Debian & Ubuntu, and even Windows 7 very well on this
hardware, fully loaded with as many applications as I needed,
including CAD and GIMP.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:05 AM, l4c wrote:
> Eddy Martin wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> In our household, we have an old laptop that is far beyond it's useful
>> life (even with "lightweight" distros) and after much discussion I have come
>> to the conclusion that a netbook may be a good replacement.
>>
>> Why do I think I want a netbook?
>> I have a 1-hour (each way) ferry commute to work, and I'd like to have
>> something that I can use for listening to sermons, software Bible studies
>> (sword project, etc.) and doing hobby stuff like electronic CAD, and I'm
>> hoping I won't need a full-size laptop to do what I'm intending, especially
>> when a netbook can often beat laptops in price by 200 dollars or more.
>> Besides, a netbook won't give me shoulder strain after lugging it 3 blocks
>> uphill ;)
>>
>> So... does anybody have any experience running Gnu/Linux (any of the
>> 'buntus, specifically) on a netbook and how does it perform for such
>> activities?
>> I'd typically listen to sermons and music with VLC, I prefer Bibletime
>> (though I'm warming to Xiphos), I tinker with electronic stuff using CADSoft
>> Eagle natively and LTSpice through Wine, and have been dabbling in house
>> repair/remodel designs with Qcad.
>>
>> If a netbook just won't cut it, I'll look again at smaller-form laptops,
>> but for now I'm asking for real-world performance opinions, not Phoronix
>> benchmarks.
>>
>> -Eddy
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux4christians mailing list
>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
> Well, I have had an Acer Aspire One since they came out. ?Didn't much care
> for the Linpus Linux it came with so I put Linux Mint on it. ?Runs
> phenomenally. It's a great little laptop!
>
> --
> -Linc Fessenden
>
> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
From preston.lists at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 10:14:55 2010
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:14:55 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4BB2075F.70607@gmail.com>
Eddy Martin wrote:
> ...I have come to the conclusion that a netbook may be a good replacement.
>
> So... does anybody have any experience running Gnu/Linux (any of the
> 'buntus, specifically) on a netbook and how does it perform for such
> activities?
I have two different netbooks:
EEEPC 900A with an Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz processor, 1GB of RAM, and a
4GB SSD. It came with Linpus (I believe).
Acer Aspire One AOD 150 (KAV10) with basically the same specs except for
the 10.1" screen and it came with XP.
I have loaded MANY different distros on each of these and they all work
well for what I've tested. Fortunately there are scads of netbook
tutorials for virtually any distro so you have plenty of options on
whatever you want to run.
> I'd typically listen to sermons and music with VLC, I prefer Bibletime
> (though I'm warming to Xiphos), I tinker with electronic stuff using
> CADSoft Eagle natively and LTSpice through Wine, and have been dabbling
> in house repair/remodel designs with Qcad.
I don't see any real problem with you doing this on a modern netbook.
The netbooks are powerful enough for electronic schematics or even some
light rendering. As long as you keep in mind that they are built for
battery life and not speed your expectations won't be harshly crushed.
[Note: I do Civil & Mechanical CADD work using AutoCAD, Microstation,
Solidworks, etc.]
The biggest thing with a netbook (for me) is the keyboard comfort.
Because of this my 8 year old daughter is now the proud owner of the
EEEPC 9". :) She puts the EEEPC through its' paces with hours of
Tuxpaint, Pingus, World of Goo, and watching whatever movies/cartoons I
load onto the SD card using SMplayer. No issues whatsoever (except the
volume is a little low, but headphones or an FM Modulator in the car
works fine)
My current list of distros and why I suggest them:
Salix = Slackware based and flippin' sweet. Slackware was my 'first
love' and this 100% compatible distro really has lit my fire again.
Salix is not only solid and fast, but it found all my hardware without
any issues (AAO needed to use ndiswrapper for wireless).
http://www.salixos.org/wiki/index.php/Home
Grab the latest 'LiveCD' (13.0-rc3 as of this writing) and throw it on a
USB stick to test it:
http://enialis.net/~jrd/salix/salixlive/
Linux Mint = based on Xubuntu, but with restricted stuff added as a
default. I have this on two other friends netbooks (that never used
Linux before) and they absolutely love it. I turned off a lot of the
eye candy to help with speed.
Debian = mostly because I use it on virtually EVERYTHING it seems. I
really like Salix, but I'm not ready to completely leave the camp yet. :)
Xubuntu = good choice for netbooks. a lighter gui with all the goodness
of Ubuntu. if you are a 'buntu user and know what extra steps you need
to do to add restricted repositories then this is right up your alley.
All that said, while there are subtle differences in the netbooks
available most will stick with similar specs (processor, HDD, RAM).
This is why I tell people to go to a brick & mortar so they can lay
hands on the keyboard in order to see if they have problems with the keys.
BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING TO THE NETBOOK:
grab Clonezilla, put it on a USB thumbdrive, plug in an external
harddrive and make an image. this is a MUST. if something happens
during the install or partitioning of your netbook you can be back up
and running in just a few minutes without any grief. otherwise you will
be wrestling with making up your own swear words that sound emphatic
enough for the mess you've gotten yourself in.
I think this will cover the basic questions you asked. Let me know if
there are more and I'll try to answer them.
Preston
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com Tue Mar 30 12:28:24 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:28:24 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB2075F.70607@gmail.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com> <4BB2075F.70607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB226A8.4030804@lavabit.com>
On 03/30/2010 07:14 AM, Preston Boyington wrote:
>
> I don't see any real problem with you doing this on a modern netbook.
> The netbooks are powerful enough for electronic schematics or even
> some light rendering. As long as you keep in mind that they are built
> for battery life and not speed your expectations won't be harshly
> crushed.
>
> [Note: I do Civil & Mechanical CADD work using AutoCAD, Microstation,
> Solidworks, etc.]
If it performs at least as well as a 1GHz Celeron with 256M, then it'll
do fine (that was my main machine 3 years ago and it did the job, albeit
rather slowly)
> My current list of distros and why I suggest them:
>
> Salix = Slackware based and flippin' sweet. Slackware was my 'first
> love' and this 100% compatible distro really has lit my fire again.
> Salix is not only solid and fast, but it found all my hardware without
> any issues (AAO needed to use ndiswrapper for wireless).
Heh. I first got goo-goo eyed over Slackware 8 'back in the day'.
Running that with XFCE on my Pentium 233 with 192 Megs was *snappy*.
>
> http://www.salixos.org/wiki/index.php/Home
>
> Grab the latest 'LiveCD' (13.0-rc3 as of this writing) and throw it on
> a USB stick to test it:
>
> http://enialis.net/~jrd/salix/salixlive/
Thanks, I'll check it out.
> Linux Mint = based on Xubuntu, but with restricted stuff added as a
> default. I have this on two other friends netbooks (that never used
> Linux before) and they absolutely love it. I turned off a lot of the
> eye candy to help with speed.
>
> Debian = mostly because I use it on virtually EVERYTHING it seems. I
> really like Salix, but I'm not ready to completely leave the camp yet. :)
>
> Xubuntu = good choice for netbooks. a lighter gui with all the
> goodness of Ubuntu. if you are a 'buntu user and know what extra
> steps you need to do to add restricted repositories then this is right
> up your alley.
I'm VERY partial to Xubuntu. Xfce was the first desktop environment that
clicked with me and I've stuck with it ever since.
And I've gotten way too used to Debian/Ubuntu's package management to
turn back fully.
> All that said, while there are subtle differences in the netbooks
> available most will stick with similar specs (processor, HDD, RAM).
> This is why I tell people to go to a brick & mortar so they can lay
> hands on the keyboard in order to see if they have problems with the
> keys.
I don't think I'll have too many problems with keys, but my son made a
good point while we were looking at laptops: check the track pad.
Most laptops are going with the slick recessed track pad space or just
with an outline, but these often follow the finish of the rest of the
unit (smooth) that feels 'sticky' after oils from a hundred fingers been
collected (eeww...).
The kind with textured track pads retain decidedly smoother action.
> BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING TO THE NETBOOK:
> grab Clonezilla, put it on a USB thumbdrive, plug in an external
> harddrive and make an image. this is a MUST. if something happens
> during the install or partitioning of your netbook you can be back up
> and running in just a few minutes without any grief. otherwise you
> will be wrestling with making up your own swear words that sound
> emphatic enough for the mess you've gotten yourself in.
I've never had to deal with these kinds of machines, just desktops, so I
figured there may be hidden 'features' waiting to bite me in a
worst-case scenario.
Thanks for the advice. I'll take it.
> I think this will cover the basic questions you asked. Let me know if
> there are more and I'll try to answer them.
>
> Preston
>
Will do.
-Eddy
From hpp3 at lavabit.com Tue Mar 30 12:35:50 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:35:50 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <9f5542131003300645ma8c712fn3c2e38fd4a906b4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com> <4BB1E902.8000901@thelinuxlink.net>
<9f5542131003300645ma8c712fn3c2e38fd4a906b4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB22866.5000100@lavabit.com>
On 03/30/2010 06:45 AM, Peter J. Vasquez Sr. wrote:
> I second this experience. I have 3 Aspire Ones, and have had several
> of the other netbooks as well (Cloudbook, Asus EEEPC, HP Mini, Lenovo
> S10). Without a doubt, the Aspire One's are the best constructed,
> with the overall best performance I've found. In my opinion the
> hardware on the 752 version is the best of these netbooks (11.6" LED
> screen, HDMI out, supports 4GB RAM, long battery life, etc). I've run
> FreeBSD/OpenBSD, Debian& Ubuntu, and even Windows 7 very well on this
> hardware, fully loaded with as many applications as I needed,
> including CAD and GIMP.
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:05 AM, l4c wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, I have had an Acer Aspire One since they came out. Didn't much care
>> for the Linpus Linux it came with so I put Linux Mint on it. Runs
>> phenomenally. It's a great little laptop!
>>
>> --
>> -Linc Fessenden
>>
Thanks for the advice. I'll take a closer look at the Aspire.
-Eddy
From preston.lists at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 12:59:20 2010
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:59:20 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB226A8.4030804@lavabit.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com> <4BB2075F.70607@gmail.com>
<4BB226A8.4030804@lavabit.com>
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Eddy Martin wrote:
> I'm VERY partial to Xubuntu. Xfce was the first desktop environment that
> clicked with me and I've stuck with it ever since.
> And I've gotten way too used to Debian/Ubuntu's package management to
> turn back fully.
be sure to check out 'Gslapt' then. in a nutshell it brings Debian
package management (kinda like Synaptic) to Slackware.
package management (I use Aptitude) has been the solidifying point on my
staying with Debian, so when I saw that Slackware had this option I got
a bit giddy.
it's wild to open Gslapt, click on 'update', then click on 'mark all
upgrades', followed by 'execute', and have it update much like my Debian
systems.
on the other hand, if I want to stay in a terminal I could just use
'slapt-get'. :)
granted I'm still feeling like a kid with a new toy, but so far I'm
impressed with what they have produced.
--
Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash...
http://www.arrantdrivel.com/
Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective
http://www.prestonboyington.com/
From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Mar 30 15:07:24 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:07:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
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<4BB226A8.4030804@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4BB24BEC.8080308@bibleseven.com>
The folks at Puppy Linux have been working with older and resource-
challenged laptops and desktops for a long time.
This thread re. 3d CAD has been running for 3 years! It appears that
they are using it on a variety of machines including Netbooks.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=21514
The standard practice on the Puppy Forum is to post the app on the
first page and update there it over time.
Here is another source for an electronic circuit CAD tested with Puppy:
http://www.waltech.org/pupstoshare/
--
"Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David
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http://bethelstatesboro.org
Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
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From preston.lists at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 14:19:03 2010
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
In-Reply-To: <4BB24BEC.8080308@bibleseven.com>
References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
<4BB2075F.70607@gmail.com> <4BB226A8.4030804@lavabit.com>
<4BB24BEC.8080308@bibleseven.com>
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Pastor David wrote:
> The folks at Puppy Linux have been working with older and resource-
> challenged laptops and desktops for a long time.
I use Puppy a good deal too. my favorite is 'Boxpup'. it screamed on
my daughter's netbook.
I added apt-get (and aptitude to a great extent) and was pleased with
how things worked.
the only downside was how many steps one had to go through to get
wireless going (which is understandable). if wicd worked easily then,
most likely, Boxpup would still be on there. as it stands, for an 8 yr
old she didn't like all the steps.
I will definitely revisit puppy in the future. most likely with a
'remix' that specifically suits her needs.
--
Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash...
http://www.arrantdrivel.com/
Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective
http://www.prestonboyington.com/
From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Mar 30 15:24:30 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:24:30 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com Tue Mar 30 16:55:46 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:55:46 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Netbook questions
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References: <4BB16AAB.7010208@lavabit.com>
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On 03/30/2010 12:07 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> The folks at Puppy Linux have been working with older and resource-
> challenged laptops and desktops for a long time.
>
> This thread re. 3d CAD has been running for 3 years! It appears that
> they are using it on a variety of machines including Netbooks.
>
> http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=21514
>
> The standard practice on the Puppy Forum is to post the app on the
> first page and update there it over time.
>
> Here is another source for an electronic circuit CAD tested with Puppy:
>
> http://www.waltech.org/pupstoshare/
>
I've never felt comfortable in Puppy, I just can't put my finger on why...
Thanks for the links to the 3d cad thread.
I've never heard of gCad3d before, the only 3D CAD package (not 3D
modeling) I've been able to find for Linux is BRL-CAD.
http://brlcad.org/
Interesting reading, although I haven't been able to wrap my head around
3D yet.
Ribbonsoft (the QCad folks) have said they won't be integrating 3D in
QCad anytime soon, and I don't blame them.
It's a whole new world to me...
-Eddy
From preston.lists at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 17:42:40 2010
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] (OT) 3D CAD was:Netbook questions
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Eddy Martin wrote:
> Interesting reading, although I haven't been able to wrap my head around
> 3D yet.
> Ribbonsoft (the QCad folks) have said they won't be integrating 3D in
> QCad anytime soon, and I don't blame them.
> It's a whole new world to me...
>
3D isn't bad once you wrap around it. I prefer it for most mechanical
CAD work (parts/assemblies). it is a great tool which cuts most of the
error out of complex assemblies (which is what I use Solidworks for).
I still run into people that haven't played much with 'paper space' (in
AutoCAD) and swear they won't ever either. I _love_ paper space. I am
of the opinion that things in model space should be drawn actual size
and let paper space handle the scale. it makes life _so_ much easier
when you can place text on a sheet in paper space and not have to
concern yourself with how it looks from sheet to sheet.
give it a go. you might be pleasantly surprised.
--
Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash...
http://www.arrantdrivel.com/
Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective
http://www.prestonboyington.com/
From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Mar 30 22:51:23 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 14:1-15:17 (Wednesday)
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From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:59:38 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Why doesn't IBM just buy Novell already?
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Why doesn't IBM just buy Novell already?
While yesterday's verdict confirms Novell's position as a defender of
Linux on the intellectual property front, it's clear that the company
isn't providing the resources OpenSUSE needs to compete with Ubuntu.
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