From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Fri Jan 1 23:37:15 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:37:15 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 7 (Saturday) Message-ID: <4B3ECD7B.3000209@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 7 (Saturday)* *Commentary* ?The Sealing of the 144,000 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth so no wind could blow on the earth, on the sea, or on any tree. 7:2 Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He shouted out with a loud voice to the four angels who had been given permission to damage the earth and the sea: 7:3 ?Do not damage the earth or the sea or the trees until we have put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.?? [Note: The ?four winds? here is similar to that of Daniel 7:2. The prior Revelation texts described forces poised to bring all manner of destruction, political, economic, health, and weather. Here they are held-back prior to God's special ?seal? being administered.] ?7:4 Now I heard the number of those who were marked with the seal, one hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from all the tribes of the people of Israel: 7:5 From the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad, twelve thousand, 7:6 from the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh, twelve thousand, 7:7 from the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar, twelve thousand, 7:8 from the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph, twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.? [Note: There is considerable discussion as to the literal or figurative meaning, does this literally mean only genetic and/or legal descendants of these tribes, or does this refer to the spiritual descendants of the faithful of these tribes? Perhaps it refers to ?completed? or saved Jews? It is not critical to salvation or the righteous living of believers before God so it is not appropriate to explore in greater detail in this survey-type Study. It is worthy of note that in the following text there are many others not so ?sealed? who are described as ?dressed in white? and ?sheltered? by God.] ?7:9 After these things I looked, and here was an enormous crowd that no one could count, made up of persons from every nation, tribe, people, and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb dressed in long white robes, and with palm branches in their hands. 7:10 They were shouting out in a loud voice, ?Salvation belongs to our God, to the one seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!?? [Note: Interesting to observe the ?palm branches?, echoing the circumstances of Jesus' entrance to Jerusalem prior to His final days. This time the worship is fully-informed and genuine!] ?7:11 And all the angels stood there in a circle around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they threw themselves down with their faces to the ground before the throne and worshiped God, 7:12 saying, ?Amen! Praise and glory, and wisdom and thanksgiving, and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!?? ?7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, ?These dressed in long white robes ? who are they and where have they come from?? 7:14a So I said to him, ?My lord, you know the answer.?? [Note: John acknowledges his lack of knowledge and his certainty of the knowledge of the ?elder?.] ?7:14b Then he said to me, ?These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb!? [Note: It is again made apparent that believers will experience the Tribulation.] ?7:15 For this reason they are before the throne of God, and they serve him day and night in his temple, and the one seated on the throne will shelter them. 7:16 They will never go hungry or be thirsty again, and the sun will not beat down on them, nor any burning heat, 7:17 because the Lamb in the middle of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.?? *Interaction* *Consider* the impending doom for those who have rejected the salvation of Jesus. *Discuss* the differences between the text of Revelation and pop-theology which teaches that Christians will be raptured prior to the Tribulation. *Reflect* upon the way that God stops everything to seal and shelter those who are His prior to pouring out His Wrath upon the earth. *Share* an example of believers, or at least people who claim to be believers, whose faith is shallow because they believe that they will not only avoid the Tribulation but even avoid serious trouble in their day to day lives. What happens to their ?faith? when trouble comes? *Truth in Action* Today I am committing to share these texts with someone who is confused about the last days of the End Times so that they are not living a shallow and weak life which will be easily overwhelmed when trouble comes. *Be Specific* ___________________________________________ ----------------------------------- Sunday's text will be Revelation 8 ----------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fmiller at lightlink.com Sat Jan 2 18:43:24 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:43:24 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Here's on ya'all can chew on to start the New Year off right. ; ) Message-ID: <4B3FDA1C.2010102@lightlink.com> *The History of Preterism and Futurism: Poisoning the Well * by Gary DeMar The following is a response to a critic of preterism named Darrell Myatt . While I've answered many of the objections he raises here and here , I wanted to discuss his opening statement about the origin of preterism. Futurists, mostly dispensational premillennialists, claim that their position has historical pedigree. The majority of the early church fathers are said to have been . . . Continue Reading -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Jan 2 23:18:01 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 8-9 (Sunday) Message-ID: <4B401A79.1040502@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 8-9 (Sunday)* *Commentary* ?The Seventh Seal 8:1 Now when the Lamb opened the seventh seal there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.? [Note: It is unclear how John marked time but one may reasonably take the delay to reflect his sense of anticipation and the seriousness of the moment.] ?8:2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 8:3 Another angel holding a golden censer came and was stationed at the altar. A large amount of incense was given to him to offer up, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar that is before the throne. 8:4 The smoke coming from the incense, along with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel?s hand. 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it on the earth, and there were crashes of thunder, roaring, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. ? [Note: Observe the continuing importance God assigns to ?... the prayers of the all the saints?, which means every believer.] ?8:6 Now the seven angels holding the seven trumpets prepared to blow them. 8:7 The first angel blew his trumpet, and there was hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was thrown at the earth so that a third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. ? [Note: Whereas blood was a symbol of the covering of sin in the OT, and of sin washed-away in the NT, here at the pouring-out of the Wrath of God it represents judgment. There is also a repeated pattern of ?a third? - which reminds one of the percentage of angels who fell from Heaven with Satan in rebellion, it has also been speculated that when a man died without a will the law specified that one-third portion was to be given to the widow and the other two-thirds to the heir. When Jesus ?died? His ?widow? was the unsaved ? thus judgment symbolically comes to one-third.] ?8:8 Then the second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain of burning fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea became blood, 8:9 and a third of the creatures living in the sea died, and a third of the ships were completely destroyed. ? [Note: There is symbolism of the plagues upon Egypt here.] ?8:10 Then the third angel blew his trumpet, and a huge star burning like a torch fell from the sky; it landed on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 8:11 (Now the name of the star is Wormwood.) So a third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from these waters because they were poisoned. ? [Note: Wormwood was a very bitter substance. It has also been speculated that the ?huge star? could be an asteroid.] ?8:12 Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. And there was no light for a third of the day and for a third of the night likewise.? [Note: Here is an additional symbolism from the Egyptian plagues.] ?8:13 Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying directly overhead, proclaiming with a loud voice, ?Woe! Woe! Woe to those who live on the earth because of the remaining sounds of the trumpets of the three angels who are about to blow them!?? [Note: Proclamations of woe were common in OT times, sometimes as a means to demoralize a surrounded enemy, sometimes to warn a people in rebellion against God of chastisement to come, The NET translator's notes suggest that ?angel? rather than ?eagle? is an acceptable alternative ? in either case this being is issuing a clarion call of doom.] *Interaction* *Consider* the continued value God places on the prayers of the ?saints? - believers. *Discuss* the many references in the Bible back to the plagues of Egypt. *Reflect* upon the parallel between Satan's fall from heaven with one-third of the angels and now God's wrath upon one-third of the fallen earth of which Satan is Prince. *Share* an illustration from this where you explain that the calamities described are a reflection of the absence of God's hand of protection ? withdrawn because people have rejected Him. *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to pray specifically for an individual or a family who do not yet have a saving relationship with Jesus ? so that they will not have to face the Wrath of God. *Be Specific* ________________________________________ ------------------------------------- Monday's text will be: Revelation 10 ------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Jan 3 15:55:21 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:55:21 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 8-9 (Sunday) - The Missing Chapter 9 Message-ID: <4B410439.2050207@bibleseven.com> The Study I sent last night did not include Chapter 9. Please find the complete Study of 8 & 9 for today. ------------------------------------------------------- *Revelation 8-9 (Sunday)* *Commentary* ?The Seventh Seal 8:1 Now when the Lamb opened the seventh seal there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.? [Note: It is unclear how John marked time but one may reasonably take the delay to reflect his sense of anticipation and the seriousness of the moment.] ?8:2 Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. 8:3 Another angel holding a golden censer came and was stationed at the altar. A large amount of incense was given to him to offer up, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar that is before the throne. 8:4 The smoke coming from the incense, along with the prayers of the saints, ascended before God from the angel?s hand. 8:5 Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and threw it on the earth, and there were crashes of thunder, roaring, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake. ? [Note: Observe the continuing importance God assigns to ?... the prayers of the all the saints?, which means every believer.] ?8:6 Now the seven angels holding the seven trumpets prepared to blow them. 8:7 The first angel blew his trumpet, and there was hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was thrown at the earth so that a third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. ? [Note: Whereas blood was a symbol of the covering of sin in the OT, and of sin washed-away in the NT, here at the pouring-out of the Wrath of God it represents judgment. There is also a repeated pattern of ?a third? - which reminds one of the percentage of angels who fell from Heaven with Satan in rebellion, it has also been speculated that when a man died without a will the law specified that one-third portion was to be given to the widow and the other two-thirds to the heir. When Jesus ?died? His ?widow? was the unsaved ? thus judgment symbolically comes to one-third.] ?8:8 Then the second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain of burning fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea became blood, 8:9 and a third of the creatures living in the sea died, and a third of the ships were completely destroyed. ? [Note: There is symbolism of the plagues upon Egypt here.] ?8:10 Then the third angel blew his trumpet, and a huge star burning like a torch fell from the sky; it landed on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 8:11 (Now the name of the star is Wormwood.) So a third of the waters became wormwood, and many people died from these waters because they were poisoned. ? [Note: Wormwood was a very bitter substance. It has also been speculated that the ?huge star? could be an asteroid.] ?8:12 Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them were darkened. And there was no light for a third of the day and for a third of the night likewise.? [Note: Here is an additional symbolism from the Egyptian plagues.] ?8:13 Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying directly overhead, proclaiming with a loud voice, ?Woe! Woe! Woe to those who live on the earth because of the remaining sounds of the trumpets of the three angels who are about to blow them!?? [Note: Proclamations of woe were common in OT times, sometimes as a means to demoralize a surrounded enemy, sometimes to warn a people in rebellion against God of chastisement to come. The NET translator's notes suggest that ?angel? rather than ?eagle? is an acceptable alternative ? in either case this being is issuing a clarion call of doom.] ?9:1 Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the abyss.? [Note: This contains an additional detail as to the term ?star?, which is not notated in Chapter 8. The ?star? is identified as a being rather than an inanimate object. Looking ahead to Rev. 12:4 where the fallen angels are described as ?... swept away a third of the stars from heaven?, this would appear to refer to one of the fallen angels. It is also possible that the ?star? is an angel sent by God.] ?9:2 He opened the shaft of the abyss and smoke rose out of it like smoke from a giant furnace. The sun and the air were darkened with smoke from the shaft. 9:3 Then out of the smoke came locusts onto the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth.? [Note: As in Job the Enemy, or one of his minions, is allowed by God to bring into the earth a taste of life without God's protection.] ?9:4 They were told not to damage the grass of the earth, or any green plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their forehead. 9:5 The locusts were not given permission to kill them, but only to torture them for five months, and their torture was like that of a scorpion when it stings a person. 9:6 In those days people will seek death, but will not be able to find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them. ? [Note: As in Job God sets limits. Observe again that this is the Wrath and not the Tribulation as God has already removed those who are already His.] ?9:7 Now the locusts looked like horses equipped for battle. On their heads were something like crowns similar to gold, and their faces looked like men?s faces. 9:8 They had hair like women?s hair, and their teeth were like lions? teeth. 9:9 They had breastplates like iron breastplates, and the sound of their wings was like the noise of many horse-drawn chariots charging into battle. 9:10 They have tails and stingers like scorpions, and their ability to injure people for five months is in their tails.? [Note: John uses ?like? because his descriptions were the nearest he could get. The ?five months? parallels the Flood as well as the normal activity of locusts. There was no escape even to death.] ?9:11 They have as king over them the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. ? [Note: Various speculations have Abaddon/Apollyon refer to Satan, the Antichrist, or the demonic equivalent of an archangel.] ?9:12 The first woe has passed, but two woes are still coming after these things! ? [Note: If we put a more-fine point on it, one might postulate that the Tribulation is followed by the three woes of God's Wrath Consequence-Judgment-Destruction. ?9:13 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a single voice coming from the horns on the golden altar that is before God, 9:14 saying to the sixth angel, the one holding the trumpet, ?Set free the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates!? 9:15 Then the four angels who had been prepared for this hour, day, month, and year were set free to kill a third of humanity. 9:16 The number of soldiers on horseback was two hundred million; I heard their number.? [Note: Here begins Judgment, to follow the Consequence of rebellion ? the withdrawal of God's protection from the evil powers of the ?pit? where He has long-restrained the worst of the forces of Satan.] ?9:17 Now this is what the horses and their riders looked like in my vision: The riders had breastplates that were fiery red, dark blue, and sulfurous yellow in color. The heads of the horses looked like lions? heads, and fire, smoke, and sulfur came out of their mouths.? [Note: John once again uses ?like? as he had no experience to directly compare to what he was seeing.] ?9:18 A third of humanity was killed by these three plagues, that is, by the fire, the smoke, and the sulfur that came out of their mouths. 9:19 For the power of the horses resides in their mouths and in their tails, because their tails are like snakes, having heads that inflict injuries.? [Note: There is no evidence in the text to suggest that these had repented, they instead appear to have been killed as an example of the consequence of unrepentant rebellion to the remaining two-thirds.] ?9:20 The rest of humanity, who had not been killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so that they did not stop worshiping demons and idols made of gold, silver, bronze, stone, and wood ? idols that cannot see or hear or walk about. 9:21 Furthermore, they did not repent of their murders, of their magic spells, of their sexual immorality, or of their stealing.? [Note: The ?woe? to follow is clearly the responsibility of those who remained utterly unteachable with hearts immovably hardened against the truth of God.] *Interaction* *Consider* the continued value God places on the prayers of the ?saints? - believers. *Discuss* the many references in the Bible back to the plagues of Egypt, the pattern of unrepentance against God, despite the evidence of His presence and power. *Reflect* upon the parallel between Satan's fall from heaven with one-third of the angels and now God's wrath upon one-third of the fallen earth of which Satan is Prince, as well as the torment and death of one-third of humanity. *Share* an illustration from this where you explain that the calamities described are a reflection of the absence of God's hand of protection ? withdrawn because people have rejected Him, followed by God's judgment because of their hard hearts against His truth. *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to pray specifically for an individual or a family who do not yet have a saving relationship with Jesus ? so that they will not have to face the Wrath of God. *Be Specific* _________________________________________ -------------------------------------- Monday's text will be: Revelation 10 -------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Jan 3 20:57:31 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 10 (Monday) Message-ID: <4B414B0B.1030403@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 10 (Monday)* *Commentary* ?The Angel with the Little Scroll 10:1 Then I saw another powerful angel descending from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun and his legs were like pillars of fire. ? [Note: This appears to support the view that the ?star? or angel mentioned as ?falling? from Heaven in Rev. 9 may also have been sent by God, rather than one of Satan's minions.] ?10:2 He held in his hand a little scroll that was open, and he put his right foot on the sea and his left on the land. 10:3 Then he shouted in a loud voice like a lion roaring, and when he shouted, the seven thunders sounded their voices.? [Note: The ?seven thunders? are not directly identified in the text but may be yet another phrase used to refer to the ?seven spirits? whom we discussed earlier in the Revelation series.] ?10:4 When the seven thunders spoke, I was preparing to write, but just then I heard a voice from heaven say, ?Seal up what the seven thunders spoke and do not write it down.?? [Note: Daniel 12:4, 9, and 2 Cor. 12:4 also report withheld revelation.] ?10:5 Then the angel I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven 10:6 and swore by the one who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, and the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, ?There will be no more delay! 10:7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to blow his trumpet, the mystery of God is completed, just as he has proclaimed to his servants the prophets.?? [Note: John appears to be looking ahead ?But in the days when ...?. ?The mystery of God ...? is also referenced elsewhere in the Bible.] ?10:8 Then the voice I had heard from heaven began to speak to me again, ?Go and take the open scroll in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.? 10:9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, ?Take the scroll and eat it. It will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.? 10:10 So I took the little scroll from the angel?s hand and ate it, and it did taste as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. 10:11 Then they told me: ?You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages, and kings.? [Note: John recognizes that his task to prophesy will be a largely bitter experience even as the truth of God is a sweet taste in his mouth.] *Interaction* *Consider* that sometimes God doesn't tell us all things but only the things we need to know when we need to know them. *Discuss* some practical ways to share the truth, which to those who love truth is sweet, but to those who do not it is bitter. Discuss also how to share difficult truths without losing the love for truth in the process. *Reflect* upon the intentional process of God where each thing flows in perfect time and sequence. *Share* an example from your life where you were able to share a difficult truth with someone and they remained open to further truth rather than hiding from it for fear that they might receive additional challenging information. *Truth in Action* Today I will ask the Holy Spirit to show me an area of my life where I may be resisting a difficult word and thus have been rejecting a portion of His truth. I agree to welcome the Holy Spirit into this area of my life and to accept whatever the Lord has to teach me. *Be Specific* _______________________________________ ------------------------------------- Tuesday's text will be Revelation 11 ------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Jan 4 22:50:58 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:50:58 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 11 (Tuesday) Message-ID: <4B42B722.9020600@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 11 (Tuesday)* *Commentary* ?The Fate of the Two Witnesses 11:1 Then a measuring rod like a staff was given to me, and I was told, ?Get up and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and the ones who worship there. 11:2 But do not measure the outer courtyard of the temple; leave it out, because it has been given to the Gentiles, and they will trample on the holy city for forty-two months.? [Note: ?Gentiles? does not refer here to non-Jews but to non-believers. It is probably a poor choice as a translation as it creates confusion, even though it is an accurate literal translation of the Greek. The NET translator's suggest that ?nations? is an acceptable option, which refers to secular people.] ?11:3 And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth. [Note: Sackcloth is the clothing one wears in mourning. The term ?witnesses? is most often used in the Bible in a legal context where more than one is required to convict. In this case it appears that the mission of these witness/prophets is to state the case for the God's judgment against a world in rebellion.] ?11:4 (These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.)? [Note: This is a reference to Zechariah 4 where the prophet was shown a similar vision. Various explanations have been offered, the ?witnesses? are symbolic of the ?church? and the ?state? because the olive trees and lampstands are ?types? of each, but that makes little sense in this context. One may read this as the Holy Spirit pouring His truth into the Church (believers) who are to then be light ? but it is then a challenge to explain why there are two. Others conclude that they are literally men and the oil is the Holy Spirit pouring the truth of God into them so that they may shine His light. This latter explanation appears to come closest to matching the apparent intent of the text.] ?11:5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes out of their mouths and completely consumes their enemies. If anyone wants to harm them, they must be killed this way. 11:6 These two have the power to close up the sky so that it does not rain during the time they are prophesying. They have power to turn the waters to blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague whenever they want.? [Note: Several of these parallel the plagues upon Egypt.] ?11:7 When they have completed their testimony, the beast that comes up from the abyss will make war on them and conquer them and kill them.? [Note: A ?type? of Jesus, and of all who follow Him,. The Enemy attacks the truth, and the messengers of truth.] ?11:8 Their corpses will lie in the street of the great city that is symbolically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was also crucified.? [Note: John again qualifies his text, this time instead of ?like? he uses ?symbolically?.] ?11:9 For three and a half days those from every people, tribe, nation, and language will look at their corpses, because they will not permit them to be placed in a tomb. 11:10 And those who live on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate, even sending gifts to each other, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.? [Note: This is s similar time-period to that which Jesus was dead. Observe that ?... these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth?, suggesting again that all were unsaved ? post tribulation. There is no evidence in this text that anyone mourned their death.] ?11:11 But after three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and tremendous fear seized those who were watching them.? [Note: Resurrection, another ?type? of Jesus. Elsewhere we are told that the Enemy will counterfeit this miracle in order to borrow credibility.] ?11:12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them: ?Come up here!? So the two prophets went up to heaven in a cloud while their enemies stared at them.? [Note: Ascension, another ?type? of Jesus. Elijah was also taken-up in a vaguely similar way.] ?11:13 Just then a major earthquake took place and a tenth of the city collapsed; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. ? [Note: There are many atheists who cry out to God in a moment of abject terror in a ?foxhole?, but that is not about salvation, it is merely a superstitious hope that some ?magical being? would rescue them. The same appears to be true here, except that they have a much better notion as of Whom they should be terrified, thus they declared His power. The phrase ?gave glory? is about the recognition of God's power, it does not denote a submission to His Lordship, and a surrender of worldly attachments.] ?11:14 The second woe has come and gone; the third is coming quickly. The Seventh Trumpet 11:15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying: ?The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever.? [Note: God is about to finish the cleaning-out of fallen things and to wrest the final vestiges of power over the world from Satan, who has been the prince of this world since the Fall in Eden.] 11:16 Then the twenty-four elders who are seated on their thrones before God threw themselves down with their faces to the ground and worshiped God 11:17 with these words: ?We give you thanks, Lord God, the All-Powerful, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun to reign. 11:18 The nations were enraged, but your wrath has come, and the time has come for the dead to be judged, and the time has come to give to your servants, the prophets, their reward, as well as to the saints and to those who revere your name, both small and great, and the time has come to destroy those who destroy the earth.? ? [Note: Here is the recognition that this last phase we have been studying has been about God's Wrath, poured-out upon an unrepentant world, in a three-woe process. ] ?11:19 Then the temple of God in heaven was opened and the ark of his covenant was visible within his temple. And there were flashes of lightning, roaring, crashes of thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.? [Note: And thus begins the third and final woe.] *Interaction* *Consider* the way that prior to pouring-out His just Wrath upon the unrepentant world God sees fit to one final time send prophets to tell the story of why they are about to be condemned. Truth is preached and as before the truth-teller is killed. *Discuss* practical ways to allow God to pour His truth into you so that you may be a light to the dark world all around you. *Reflect* upon the difference between one who recognizes the glory and power of God (even Satan recognizes that) and one who submits appropriately to that (only a genuine believer). *Share* an example of when fear caused you to ?give glory?, recognition of power, to someone or to some thing ? but not so that you intended to worship it or them. (e.g. a scary storm, a bully, a threatening animal, etc.) *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to ask God to show me ways that I might partner with him to better-receive His ?oil? for my ?lamp? so that I may become a more effective truth-teller. I agree to seek a specific area where I may have been blocking the flow of His ?oil? or failing to keep His ?light? burning as brightly as I could and should. *Be Specific* ____________________________________ --------------------------------------- Wednesday's text will be: Revelation 12 --------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jonathon.blake at gmail.com Tue Jan 5 12:06:26 2010 From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 17:06:26 +0000 Subject: [Linux4christians] Baptists & Biblical Doctrine In-Reply-To: <4C6FB552-D559-4599-99F6-4EEF75EF5C6C@ofb.biz> References: <20091210164043.CEGG3.450074.root@mp12> <23431961-1C31-48CB-86C4-0EFF44BE8FAA@ofb.biz> <6E96C437-8761-41F5-B8D2-741365605059@ofb.biz> <4B21781F.9030703@bibleseven.com> <66C263F4-86AE-4A30-88A6-3672C874913E@ofb.biz> <4B218C00.50001@bibleseven.com> <00EFE433-D06F-43DC-9714-E7B503BBF4A7@ofb.biz> <4B2AF30D.4080109@bibleseven.com> <4C6FB552-D559-4599-99F6-4EEF75EF5C6C@ofb.biz> Message-ID: n Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 04:47, Timothy Butler wrote: > ? ? ? ?That's circular. How can the Bible define the canon if the canon specifies what goes in the Bible? (And, for example, I find nothing in any given book that says, "Revelation" or "2 Corinthians" is part of the canon. I've been pondering this issue for the last couple of years. What I've concluded is that one has to take one's initial set of books on faith alone. Specifically, either the Torah, or the Gospels. From that, one can construct a canon that is similar to, but not identical to, any of the current Christian Canons. Where things get interesting, is when a specific books states that a specific set of works are to be canonical. If one doesn't accept the book that makes that statement, does that mean that the listed books are canonical, or not-canonical? Constructing/re-constructing the Tanakh is slightly more difficult than doing so with the NT, because the NT does specify books that are to be considered as canonical. OTOH, there are more cross-references, direct statements in the NT, stating what is canonical in the Tanakh, than what is canonical in the NT. jonathon From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Jan 5 17:27:20 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:27:20 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Baptists & Biblical Doctrine In-Reply-To: References: <20091210164043.CEGG3.450074.root@mp12> <23431961-1C31-48CB-86C4-0EFF44BE8FAA@ofb.biz> <6E96C437-8761-41F5-B8D2-741365605059@ofb.biz> <4B21781F.9030703@bibleseven.com> <66C263F4-86AE-4A30-88A6-3672C874913E@ofb.biz> <4B218C00.50001@bibleseven.com> <00EFE433-D06F-43DC-9714-E7B503BBF4A7@ofb.biz> <4B2AF30D.4080109@bibleseven.com> <4C6FB552-D559-4599-99F6-4EEF75EF5C6C@ofb.biz> Message-ID: <4B43BCC8.1070301@bibleseven.com> Both the NT and OT make hundreds of references which directly link to other books, thus it is pretty easy to see which books belong. We are working through Revelation now and one may find references to dozens of OT and NT books in the first half of Rev. without even looking hard. HTH ... doc > jonathon wrote: > n Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 04:47, Timothy Butler wrote: > >> That's circular. How can the Bible define the canon if the canon specifies what goes in the Bible? (And, for example, I find nothing in any given book that says, "Revelation" or "2 Corinthians" is part of the canon. > > I've been pondering this issue for the last couple of years. > > What I've concluded is that one has to take one's initial set of books > on faith alone. > Specifically, either the Torah, or the Gospels. From that, one can > construct a canon that is similar to, but not identical to, any of the > current Christian Canons. > > Where things get interesting, is when a specific books states that a > specific set of works are to be canonical. If one doesn't accept the > book that makes that statement, does that mean that the listed books > are canonical, or not-canonical? > > Constructing/re-constructing the Tanakh is slightly more difficult > than doing so with the NT, because the NT does specify books that are > to be considered as canonical. OTOH, there are more cross-references, > direct statements in the NT, stating what is canonical in the Tanakh, > than what is canonical in the NT. > > jonathon > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Jan 5 22:21:51 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 12 (Wednesday) Message-ID: <4B4401CF.7020405@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 12 (Wednesday)* *Commentary* [Note: There are widely varying methodologies which impact how one interprets Revelation; Preterist (allegorical and symbolic from John's time), Historicist (allegorical and symbolic of church history), Idealist (illustrating spiritual truths with incidental relationship to history or future), Futurist (describing the latter days of the end times). It is this student's view that the answer is all-of-the-above rather than any one of them to the exclusion of the others. The Bible is filled with layers of meaning and there is no sound reason to believe that Revelation is suddenly an exception, one must be as equally cautious to not exclude meaning as one is to not impose meaning. It is also helpful to recall that while Creation is locked-into linear time, one event follows another in order within a fixed flow of time and no one can move back and forth in time, such is not true of God. It is also helpful to recall that what seems like a long time on earth to man is but a moment in time to God. Yesterday's Study concluded with Revelation 11:19 which described a scene that sounds a lot like the events at the death of Jesus on the Cross ?... the temple of God in heaven was opened and the ark of his covenant was visible within his temple. And there were flashes of lightning, roaring, crashes of thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.? Up until this point there appeared to be a clear sequence of events, all the way up to the third and final ?woe? of the pouring-out of the Wrath of God and the text of Rev. 11:14-18 clearly supports that reading. It would thus appear that the following text may refer to events in the spiritual realm parallel to the prior telling of earth-bound events. We will continue our big-picture Study and allow the text to interpret itself. It is beyond this Study to attempt the book-level exploration necessary to compare and contrast the many vagaries of the analysis of Revelation. In any case there are Biblical themes critical to salvation and righteous living reinforced in Revelation and those more than anything are to be discerned and applied.] ?The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon 12:1 Then a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and with the moon under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars. 12:2 She was pregnant and was screaming in labor pains, struggling to give birth.? [Note: The sun and the moon have varying Biblical meaning. We know from John's qualifier ?a great sign? that the ?woman? is symbolic rather than literal, though not certainly exclusive of literal meaning. Some have postulated the woman as representing Israel, some the Church (in the Historicist model more the institutional organization, in the all-of-the-above model she would represent believers), others (Preterist) literally Mary, and yet others (Idealist) the coming of one philosophy or another purporting to represent God. The Futurist might have one postulate literal Israel returning to the forefront of Biblical events, perhaps the ?completion? of Jews as they accept Jesus as Messiah, or perhaps as the Church (believers) ?... struggling to give birth? to truth in a world that seems to prefer the darkness of lies.] ?12:3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadem crowns. 12:4a Now the dragon?s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth.? [Note: The dragon is generally understood as a symbol of evil, or of Satan himself. The sweeping away of ?a third of the stars in heaven? has appeared previously to describe angels whom he led into his rebellion against God.] ?12:4b Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born. 12:5 So the woman gave birth to a son, a male child, who is going to rule over all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was suddenly caught up to God and to his throne, 12:6 and she fled into the wilderness where a place had been prepared for her by God, so she could be taken care of for 1,260 days.? [Note: Depending on the view of the woman's identity the birth could be literally Jesus, figuratively Jesus ushering-in the Church, figuratively the organized church impacting the world, figuratively Israel turning to their Messiah, or figuratively Jesus gathering His Church together to ?birth? the ?new heaven and new earth?, which would of course mean the end of Satan.] ?War in Heaven 12:7 Then war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.? [Note: This context suggests a jump back to the original fall of Satan and one-third of the angels, which may or may not imply that everything up to this point was prior to the fall in Heaven. In our study of Genesis 1-4 there was a reasonable suggestion that the fall of man paralleled the fall of Satan, that when he tempted Eve he was verbalizing for the first time his own rebellion. That said, the Biblical text elsewhere refers to the spiritual battle ?in the heavenlies?, so perhaps this text refers to a time where God called an end to that ? prior Revelation text chronicled major change.] ?12:8 But the dragon was not strong enough to prevail, so there was no longer any place left in heaven for him and his angels. 12:9 So that huge dragon ? the ancient serpent, the one called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world ? was thrown down to the earth, and his angels along with him.? [Note: This text continues to suggest that this even follows a period of time after the fall of Satan, it refers to his past, indeed ?ancient?.] ?12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven saying, ?The salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the ruling authority of his Christ, have now come, because the accuser of our brothers and sisters, the one who accuses them day and night before our God, has been thrown down.? [Note: This text, paired with the gospel understanding of the impact of Jesus' death and resurrection upon the power of Satan and of death, suggests a moment has been reached for the final impact of ?... the accuser? being ?... thrown down? by ?Christ?.] ?12:11 But they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives so much that they were afraid to die.? [Note: The text says ?... our brothers? the believers ?overcame? because they were fearless in their faith. The term ?overcame? could be past or present, or both.] ?12:12 Therefore you heavens rejoice, and all who reside in them! But woe to the earth and the sea because the devil has come down to you! He is filled with terrible anger, for he knows that he only has a little time!?? [Note: In the flow of Revelation this may describe the release of Satan and his minions upon the earth as the ?woes? unfold.] ?12:13 Now when the dragon realized that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 12:14 But the woman was given the two wings of a giant eagle so that she could fly out into the wilderness, to the place God prepared for her, where she is taken care of ? away from the presence of the serpent ? for a time, times, and half a time.? [Note: The NET translators conclude that ?... a time, times, and half a time.? refers to 1,260 days, the same as referenced elsewhere in the text of Revelation. There are seemingly endless reports of God's provision of a safe place for those whom He loves, so this fits with with the character of God.] ?12:15 Then the serpent spouted water like a river out of his mouth after the woman in an attempt to sweep her away by a flood, 12:16 but the earth came to her rescue; the ground opened up and swallowed the river that the dragon had spewed from his mouth.? [Note: God defends those who are his. It is valuable to note the linkages from passage to passage where the text includes ?then?, which implies a sequential flow of events.] ?12:17 So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went away to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep God?s commandments and hold to the testimony about Jesus. (12:18) And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore.? [Note: The ?children? of the ?women? are identified as faithful and under attack. If this refers to a moment in what has generally appeared to be a continuous flow of time, and is taken literally, then the believers would be new ones ?birthed? during the Wrath. If more allegorical then it could refer to his efforts to condemn believers to God ? a quixotic endeavor. It is notable that Jesus described sand as a poor choice of places on which to build a house as it tends to be washed away more easily.] *Interaction* *Consider* the clear message that there is a massive spiritual battle and we are in the middle of it, indeed, we are the treasure over which God and Satan are warring. *Discuss* some practical ways to help people to see the pattern in the Bible of Satan as our implacable enemy and God as our tenacious ally. *Reflect* upon the continuing pattern of teaching, the faithful are blessed with God's love, the rebellious are cursed with the absence of God's love. *Share* a practical example where you have observed (or experienced) a newly saved person or a growing and effective outreach of evangelistic-missions and the enemy has attacked. How did God defend that person or ministry? *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to ask the Holy Spirit to show me one area of my walk with Him where I need to be strengthened in my knowledge of and trust in Him, so that I will step-out without fear and bear-up when the enemy attacks. *Be Specific* ________________________________ --------------------------------------- Thursday's text will be: Revelation 13 --------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Wed Jan 6 12:21:56 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:21:56 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 13 (Thursday) Message-ID: <4B44C6B4.8030508@bibleseven.com> I need to do some computer maintenance and upgrades today so I am sending this really early - just in case the technology work takes longer than planned. PD ------------------------------------------------------------ *Revelation 13 (Thursday)* *Commentary* ?The Two Beasts 13:1 Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, and on its horns were ten diadem crowns, and on its heads a blasphemous name. 13:2 Now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like a bear?s, and its mouth was like a lion?s mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule.? [Note: While the ?beast? is initially described as an ?it?, suggesting that it could be a group or an organization, the text then switches to a masculine gender ?his?. This suggests that the beast also has a clear human focus or leader. Since the ?dragon? is a symbol of Satan, and he is the prince of this world, he is able to give power to the ?beast? - and God allows it as part of His unfolding judgment.] ?13:3 One of the beast?s heads appeared to have been killed, but the lethal wound had been healed. And the whole world followed the beast in amazement; [Note: This is a counterfeiting of the healing and/or resurrection by Jesus and His disciples in order to borrow/steal credibility.] ?13:4 they worshiped the dragon because he had given ruling authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast too, saying: ?Who is like the beast?? and ?Who is able to make war against him??? [Note: Worship is what Satan always wanted, despite the fact that only God is to be worshiped.] ?13:5 The beast was given a mouth speaking proud words and blasphemies, and he was permitted to exercise ruling authority for forty-two months. 13:6 So the beast opened his mouth to blaspheme against God ? to blaspheme both his name and his dwelling place, that is, those who dwell in heaven.? [Note: John 4:3 teaches that the spirit of the antichrist is already in the world, so this is more of an unbridled release than an entirely new activity.] ?13:7 The beast was permitted to go to war against the saints and conquer them. He was given ruling authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation, 13:8 and all those who live on the earth will worship the beast, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life belonging to the Lamb who was killed. 13:9 If anyone has an ear, he had better listen! ? [Note: Everyone will worship the beast (and Satan) except for believers, because their names have been written in the Lamb's Book of Life, and they only worship God. This is the same as Daniel, who in captivity continued to worship God, even though jealous schemers had manipulated the king into a declaration requiring people to only worship him.] ?13:10 If anyone is meant for captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed by the sword, then by the sword he must be killed. This requires steadfast endurance and faith from the saints. ? [Note: Believers will suffer for their faithfulness to God. It is unclear if ?meant for? requires that God has ordained the manner of death, for His purposes, or if it means that whatever comes one must endure in faith. Some have suggested a parallel to Jesus' words in Matthew 26:52 ?... everyone who takes up the sword will die by the sword?, but the NET translator's argue for the Jeremiah 15:2 meaning of endurance.] ?13:11 Then I saw another beast coming up from the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but was speaking like a dragon.? [Note: This is a common image in satanism and witchcraft.] ?13:12 He exercised all the ruling authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and those who inhabit it worship the first beast, the one whose lethal wound had been healed.? [Note: This is one who has delegated power from the beast whose power came from Satan.] ?13:13 He performed momentous signs, even making fire come down from heaven in front of people 13:14a and, by the signs he was permitted to perform on behalf of the beast, he deceived those who live on the earth.? [Note: False signs and wonders.] ?13:14b He told those who live on the earth to make an image to the beast who had been wounded by the sword, but still lived. 13:15 The second beast was empowered to give life to the image of the first beast so that it could speak, and could cause all those who did not worship the image of the beast to be killed.? [Note: An animated idol with the power to kill those who did not worship it. This is not necessarily a singular physical being or animated-statue but has been described by some as a political-religious system.] ?13:16 He also caused everyone (small and great, rich and poor, free and slave) to obtain a mark on their right hand or on their forehead. 13:17 Thus no one was allowed to buy or sell things unless he bore the mark of the beast ? that is, his name or his number.? [Note: There has been much debate as to the precise meaning of this. The timing of this must be prior to the Wrath, as that is reserved for non-believers, and the lesson appears to be that believers need a form or bartering and/or interdependence that is independent of the world system of commerce ? as they will not accept ?the mark of the beast? and therefore not be allowed to participate in general commerce.] ?13:18 This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the beast?s number, for it is man?s number, and his number is 666.? [Note: There are many speculations about the number six, and the combination of three ?6's? here. Man was created on the sixth day, since seven is God's number of perfection then six would be man in his imperfection without God, the sixth Commandment was related to murder (the taking of a life outside of God's authorization), and more. One might also think of it as the Godless trinity, man without God the Father or God the Son or God the Holy Spirit ? no unifying law, no savior, no spiritual connection to God.] *Interaction* *Consider* the clear line being drawn between the faithful and the rebellious, those who belong to this fallen world and those who belong to the kingdom of heaven. This world gets the leadership it desires ? apart from God ? and believers endure as God works-out His perfect plan. *Discuss* the challenge of the ?mark? and how preventing believers from participation in the commerce of the world will either motivate us to work together or suffer terrible poverty. *Reflect* upon God allowing Satan a time to pretend to be God and to manipulate and terrorize the unsaved into worshiping him, and those to whom he delegates power. Any time that we drift into the functional-worship of any sort of idol (celebrity, money, possessions, power, etc) we make it easier for Satan to persuade people to worship him instead of God. *Share* an example of suffering for your faith. *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to contemplate with a fellow believer how we might manage in a world where, having rejected ?the mark of the beast?, we must acquire the necessities of life apart from the world system of commerce. I also agree to discuss how we would support one-another in bearing-up under the terrible oppression ? perhaps learning from modern-day believers in the Sudan and other systematically and /or violently anti-Christian nations. *Be Specific* ________________________________________ -------------------------------------- Friday's text will be: Revelation 14 -------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Thu Jan 7 22:07:23 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:07:23 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 14 (Friday) Message-ID: <4B46A16B.7070004@bibleseven.com> Returning momentarily to the question of a continuous flow of linear time, each event in Revelation following another, versus forward and back and perhaps parallel events - one may choose to think of many of the usages of the term "then" as signaling consequences rather than "and then after what just happened the next day this happened". This is often the case in the NT e.g. God says that if we meet His standard for salvation then He will write our names in the Lamb's Book of Life, or if we act faithfully/ obediently He will pour blessings into and through us to others. Therefore, Revelation may represent a generally linear flow of time, with occasional sections of teaching about principles and reflection upon the interaction between separate earthly and heavenly events. I share this for your prayerful consideration. This is a first-pass Survey and thus future analysis and contemplation of the text of Revelation may render a modified commentary. ------------------------------------------------------------ *Revelation 14 (Friday)* *Commentary* ?An Interlude: The Song of the 144,000 14:1 Then I looked, and here was the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him were one hundred and forty-four thousand, who had his name and his Father?s name written on their foreheads. 14:2 I also heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder. Now the sound I heard was like that made by harpists playing their harps, 14:3 and they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one was able to learn the song except the one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. ? [Note: This is a celebration, a prelude to the great redemption of God's children to the eternity of perfect relationship with Him that He has long desired. It could be that the ?new song? is of the newly redeemed 144,000 who have for the first time joined in praise and thus theirs would be a new song.] ?14:4 These are the ones who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from humanity as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 14:5 and no lie was found on their lips; they are blameless. ? [Note: Clearly there is none but Jesus Who ever lived on this fallen earth who truly ?undefiled? and truly ?blameless?. If taken somewhat literally this would represent 144,000 children, taken prior to the so-called age of accountability, and it may represent a selective rapture. We discussed the 144,000 previously and it is improbable, though not impossible, that these are not the same. The other possibility is that the description is somewhat rhetorical, as all who are given new bodies are instantly ?virgins? and because they have been made holy they are also ?blameless?.] ?Three Angels and Three Messages 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, and he had an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth ? to every nation, tribe, language, and people. 14:7 He declared in a loud voice: ?Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has arrived, and worship the one who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water!? ? [Note: This may be the final call to faith to those remaining on earth.] ?14:8 A second angel followed the first, declaring: ?Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great city! She made all the nations drink of the wine of her immoral passion.? ? [Note: This may be the final clarion call of the end of the fallen world.] ?14:9 A third angel followed the first two, declaring in a loud voice: ?If anyone worships the beast and his image, and takes the mark on his forehead or his hand, 14:10 that person will also drink of the wine of God?s anger that has been mixed undiluted in the cup of his wrath, and he will be tortured with fire and sulfur in front of the holy angels and in front of the Lamb. 14:11 And the smoke from their torture will go up forever and ever, and those who worship the beast and his image will have no rest day or night, along with anyone who receives the mark of his name.?? [Note: This is a declaration of the last chance to take sides, the ?mark?, is a ?line in the sand?. ?14:12 This requires the steadfast endurance of the saints ? those who obey God?s commandments and hold to their faith in Jesus. ? [Note: This mentions ?saints?, suggesting that some have come to faith after the Tribulation and during the Wrath.] ?14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, ?Write this: ?Blessed are the dead, those who die in the Lord from this moment on!?? ?Yes,? says the Spirit, ?so they can rest from their hard work, because their deeds will follow them.? ? [Note: God calls for endurance in faith during an exceptionally difficult time and He promises blessing.] ?14:14 Then I looked, and a white cloud appeared, and seated on the cloud was one like a son of man! He had a golden crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 14:15 Then another angel came out of the temple, shouting in a loud voice to the one seated on the cloud, ?Use your sickle and start to reap, because the time to reap has come, since the earth?s harvest is ripe!? 14:16 So the one seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped. ? [Note: If the One on the ?white cloud? is Jesus then the angel was not issuing a command but was instead making a celebratory declaration. It seems that this was instead a being that ?was one like a son of man?, which could mean it looked human, or that it looked more than human ? more like Jesus. Since 14:17 refers to a parallel but opposite being as an ?angel? one may reasonably postulate this also to be an angel ? or at least and angelic-like being.} ?14:17 Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 14:18 Another angel, who was in charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to the angel who had the sharp sickle, ?Use your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes off the vine of the earth, because its grapes are now ripe.? 14:19 So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and gathered the grapes from the vineyard of the earth and tossed them into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 14:20 Then the winepress was stomped outside the city, and blood poured out of the winepress up to the height of horses? bridles for a distance of almost two hundred miles.? [Note: This is clearly not Jesus, since it is ?another? angel. Those in unrepentant rebellion have their lives ?blood? pressed out of them so that they no longer contain the ?breath of life? God once gave them.? *Interaction* *Consider* the ?new song? we will all sing as we enter the presence of God. *Discuss* practical ways to live as ?blameless? and ?undefiled? lives before our loving and gracious God as possible in these fallen bodies in this fallen world. *Reflect* upon the final challenge to people to choose sides. *Share* examples of ?endurance? when one is persecuted for faith ? how was the strengthening of God's Holy Spirit apparent to you? *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to me a place in my walk where I could become more intentionally ?blameless? and ?undefiled? in a practical way. I agree to act upon what He shows me. *Be Specific* ______________________________________ ---------------------------------------- Saturday's text will be: Revelation 15 ---------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fmiller at lightlink.com Thu Jan 7 23:35:02 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:35:02 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: The Annals of the World Message-ID: <4B46B5F6.6020208@lightlink.com> I'm considering buying this book, once I am confident of it's accuracy, which so far, I understand is VERY, VERY good. Does anyone here have any accurate info. about it? 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He has done everything to provide and to promote His free gift, through Christ, of reconciliation and restoration to our pre-Fall Edenic relationship with Him and we have responded with arrogance and rebellion.] ?15:2 Then I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had conquered the beast and his image and the number of his name. They were standing by the sea of glass, holding harps given to them by God. 15:3 They sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: ?Great and astounding are your deeds, Lord God, the All-Powerful! Just and true are your ways, King over the nations! 15:4 Who will not fear you, O Lord, and glorify your name, because you alone are holy? All nations will come and worship before you for your righteous acts have been revealed.? [Note: This phrase ?... the beast and his image and the number of his name? is interesting. It reflects upon and summarizes the spiritual battle previously described. The ?beast? is Satan, ?his image? is the animated man-like idol, and ?the number of his name? is the temptation to sell-out to the world.] ?15:5 After these things I looked, and the temple (the tent of the testimony) was opened in heaven,? [Note: This brings to mind the desert tabernacle, which was an earthly replica of the real-deal in Heaven.] ?15:6 and the seven angels who had the seven plagues came out of the temple, dressed in clean bright linen, wearing wide golden belts around their chests. 15:7 Then one of the four living creatures gave the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God who lives forever and ever, 15:8 and the temple was filled with smoke from God?s glory and from his power. Thus no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues from the seven angels were completed.? [Note: In keeping with the theme of completion, access to the temple, is prevented until the righteous anger of God's wrath has been fully expressed.] *Interaction* *Consider* the righteous anger of God Who has been so patient and so forgiving, pouring-out His grace to the point of humbling Himself to come in the lowly form of a human child and subjecting Himself to abuse and murder and bearing every sin in history upon His human-form when He had known no sin ? only to be met with arrogance and further rebellion. *Discuss* practical ways to help people to understand the imagery of the desert tabernacle as God's provision for forgiveness of our sins against Him on earth whereas it is a place of testimony in a sinless Heaven. *Reflect* upon the triple-threat of Satan, his evil idol, and his temptation for us to sell-out to the arrogant and rebellious value-system of the world. *Share* an example of God's patience and forgiveness in your life which has set you free from the sins of the past ? free to live in peace with God and others ? free to reject the lie of Satan that you are still defined by that forgiven past. *Truth in Action* Today I am committing to identify a place where I have compromised with the world system or have believed the lie of Satan that I am still defined/enslaved by a forgiven sin from the past. I agree to partner with the Holy Spirit, and a fellow believer(as a prayer partner and for accountability), to gain freedom and victory. *Be Specific* ______________________________________ -------------------------------------- Sunday's text will be: Revelation 16 -------------------------------------- -- Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org (new site pending) Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fmiller at lightlink.com Fri Jan 8 13:40:33 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:40:33 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: For those in the US....Lost Founding Father Speaks After 200 Years Message-ID: <4B477C21.2080104@lightlink.com> http://campaigns.ratepoint.com/campaigns/47256b21cb12b9eb382a15583af5ee08?r=1ed19b1950d0581eb1323d189fe46729 -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Sat Jan 9 00:34:56 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OEMs to be hit by Italian class-action suit Message-ID: <4B481580.2000107@lightlink.com> OEMs to be hit by Italian class-action suit It seems that some Italians aren't happy about having to pay for Windows with a new PC when they didn't want the OS. by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes READ FULL STORY -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 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URL: From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net Sat Jan 9 16:08:41 2010 From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:08:41 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: The Hidden Dangers of Peacemakers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1263071321.7439.2.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 12:03 -0600, Timothy Butler wrote: > From an article I just published: > > > Once a person enters into informed consent under this > ?biblical? system, the person not only is unable to seek > protection through the courts if the leadership decides to > publicly air whatever ?concerns? they feel ought to be > broadcast about a person, the victim is also unable to resign > from the church until the leadership wishes to permit it. > > > Let's just say I have some personal experience with the program and am > hoping to use that experience to warn others... I have never heard of this group before, but as to not being able to resign from a church, not attending is just about the same thing. Go ahead, stop me from not being there. ;) From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Jan 9 20:01:12 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:01:12 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 16 (Sunday) Message-ID: <4B4926D8.6000908@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 16 (Sunday)* *Commentary* ?The Bowls of God?s Wrath 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple declaring to the seven angels: ?Go and pour out on the earth the seven bowls containing God?s wrath.? 16:2 So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth. Then ugly and painful sores appeared on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.? [Note: Choices have consequences.] ?16:3 Next, the second angel poured out his bowl on the sea and it turned into blood, like that of a corpse, and every living creature that was in the sea died.? [Note: Observe that it says ?... every living creature ? in the sea died. This breaks the food-cycle of the entire planet.] ?16:4 Then the third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and the springs of water, and they turned into blood. 16:5 Now I heard the angel of the waters saying: ?You are just ? the one who is and who was, the Holy One ? because you have passed these judgments,? [Note: Whereas much of Revelation utilizes symbolism it is reasonable to take ?... the angel of the waters? as a rhetorical expression to say that one angel celebrated the justice of the Egypt-like plague of turning the waters to blood.] ?16:6 because they poured out the blood of your saints and prophets, so you have given them blood to drink. They got what they deserved!? [Note: Justice.] ?16:7 Then I heard the altar reply, ?Yes, Lord God, the All-Powerful, your judgments are true and just!? [Note: Affirmation.] ?16:8 Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was permitted to scorch people with fire. 16:9 Thus people were scorched by the terrible heat, yet they blasphemed the name of God, who has ruling authority over these plagues, and they would not repent and give him glory.? [Note: Here is an incredible expression of power, from a human standpoint, that the massive sun could be stimulated to expel enough energy - above and beyond the usual - to burn people on the earth. Even though it was acknowledged that the source of this plague was God, as was He of the three prior, the unrepentant people still refused to ?... give Him glory but instead blasphemed His name.? ?16:10 Then the fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast so that darkness covered his kingdom, and people began to bite their tongues because of their pain. 16:11 They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their sufferings and because of their sores, but nevertheless they still refused to repent of their deeds.? [Note: Sores on their bodies, no fish in the sea, no water to drink, and burns and oppressive heat, and now darkness ? yet the unrepentant continue to rebel.] ?16:12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates and dried up its water to prepare the way for the kings from the east.? [Note: A huge highway is made from the river bed as it is about time for the battle of Armagheddon and the armies need to gather.] ?16:13 Then I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 16:14 For they are the spirits of the demons performing signs who go out to the kings of the earth to bring them together for the battle that will take place on the great day of God, the All-Powerful.? [Note: God allows the demons to summon the human kings of the rebellious people.] ?16:15 (Look! I will come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays alert and does not lose his clothes so that he will not have to walk around naked and his shameful condition be seen.)? [Note: Jesus again declares that He will return to end the days of fallen man on this earth ? and no one but God knows that day ? so we must be at the ready. Not found being careless about the things required of our faith.] ?16:16 Now the spirits gathered the kings and their armies to the place that is called Armageddon in Hebrew.? [Note: ?Armagheddon? means the high place of Megiddo, it is the OT location of two major victories and also where Saul and Josiah died. It is a place of massive conflict and massive losses.] ?16:17 Finally the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying: ?It is done!? 16:18 Then there were flashes of lightning, roaring, and crashes of thunder, and there was a tremendous earthquake ? an earthquake unequaled since humanity has been on the earth, so tremendous was that earthquake. 16:19 The great city was split into three parts and the cities of the nations collapsed. So Babylon the great was remembered before God, and was given the cup filled with the wine made of God?s furious wrath.? [Note: The OT judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah and the last words of Jesus on the Cross are echoed as the flow of evil from Babylon is reversed against it.] ?16:20 Every island fled away and no mountains could be found. 16:21 And gigantic hailstones, weighing about a hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people, but they blasphemed God because of the plague of hail, since it was so horrendous.? [Note: The cities are gone, the fish are dead, the water is undrinkable, people suffer sores and sunburns, great armies have gathered at Megiddo, the land has been leveled and there are no islands to which anyone may escape. Then fall the ?... gigantic hailstones? fall. (Perhaps the extra-terrestrial ice that anti-Bible scientists so desperately seek in their campaign to discredit God's Word?) But still the unrepentant people blaspheme God rather than turn to the all-powerful One and the only One who can save them. He is showing them the ?sign? they demanded in Mark 8:11-12, and as Jesus knew ?in His Spirit?, it makes no difference.] *Interaction* *Consider* the consequences now coming upon unrepentant people who chose Satan over God. As distasteful as it is ? this is justice. Note that the text refers over and over to their continued choice to blaspheme God rather than to surrender and worship Him. *Discuss* practical ways to show people God's consistency from Genesis to Revelation. He tells us how to be right before Him and what are the consequences of rebellion. He uses many of the same consequences over and over, so none may be surprised when they come. *Reflect* upon amazing depth of arrogant rebellion that even under these devastatingly horrific conditions people will continue to assert their independence from God and their reliance upon Satan ? who is powerless to protect them and is also part of reason for their suffering. *Share* an example of contemporary events where despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary some people refuse to accept truth because it would require them to be aligned with a group or person whom they have been propagandized to hate. *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to prayerfully search my life for a place where I have accepted a lie because to think otherwise would force me to make peace with someone or some organization for whom I have a strong dislike. I agree to cooperate with the Holy Spirit, and as necessary to recruit an accountability and prayer partner, as I walk through the process of accepting a hard truth and reconciling with a hard-to-like and hard-to-love person or organization. *Be Specific* _____________________________________ -------------------------------------- Monday's text will be: Revelation 17 -------------------------------------- -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Jan 10 22:48:48 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:48:48 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 17 (Monday) Message-ID: <4B4A9FA0.9020302@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 17 (Monday)* *Commentary* ?The Great Prostitute and the Beast 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke to me. ?Come,? he said, ?I will show you the condemnation and punishment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters, 17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality and the earth?s inhabitants got drunk with the wine of her immorality.? ? [Note: The great prostitute is over ?peoples, multitudes, nations, and languages? (see Verse 17:15). It/she is the worldly philosophy or system which teaches rebellion against God and the pursuit of sin.] ?17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit to a wilderness, and there I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 17:4 Now the woman was dressed in purple and scarlet clothing, and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held in her hand a golden cup filled with detestable things and unclean things from her sexual immorality. 17:5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: ?Babylon the Great, the Mother of prostitutes and of the detestable things of the earth.? ? [Note: ?Mystery? is a term which often refers to something difficult to understand and generally involving a spiritual element. Many of the word pictures John uses are common from Revelation and elsewhere in the NT and OT. This ?woman? is not the same as the ?prostitute?.] ?17:6a I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of those who testified to Jesus. ? [Note: Satan hates truth and all who reject Jesus are slaves to him. Those who hate truth hate those who love the truth. The world system is his tool of manipulation in the world and it desires the destruction of all believers because believers represent conviction of their blasphemous life choices.] ?17:6b ? I was greatly astounded when I saw her. 17:7 But the angel said to me, ?Why are you astounded? I will interpret for you the mystery of the woman and of the beast with the seven heads and ten horns that carries her. 17:8a The beast you saw was, and is not, but is about to come up from the abyss and then go to destruction.? [Note: The beast was swept from the earth ?... was, and is not? but will be released to face judgment.] ?17:8b The inhabitants of the earth ? all those whose names have not been written in the book of life since the foundation of the world ? will be astounded when they see that the beast was, and is not, but is to come.? [Note: The unsaved will be shocked when they see that God not only took the beast away but that He may at-will bring him back for judgment.] ?17:9 (This requires a mind that has wisdom.) The seven heads are seven mountains the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: 17:10 five have fallen; one is, and the other has not yet come, but whenever he does come, he must remain for only a brief time. 17:11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself an eighth king and yet is one of the seven, and is going to destruction.? [Note: Some have taken this, and some text to follow, to refer to literal human kings in past history. Others take it to refer philosophies or religions. If this follows the events of Rev. 16 then either the leveling of the mountains therein was only of some rather than all, or else the term ?mountain? here is rhetorical and not literal. The beast that both is one of the seven and the eighth king is one who was a king that had fallen but has been brought back and again becomes a king.] ?17:12 The ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive ruling authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 17:13 These kings have a single intent, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.? [Note: It has been suggested that these are usurpers of worldly political authority in ten states or regions who are manipulated into power so that they may transfer the sovereign powers of the ten to a single one-world power.] ?17:14 They will make war with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those accompanying the Lamb are the called, chosen, and faithful.? ?17:15 Then the angel said to me, ?The waters you saw (where the prostitute is seated) are peoples, multitudes, nations, and languages. 17:16 The ten horns that you saw, and the beast ? these will hate the prostitute and make her desolate and naked. They will consume her flesh and burn her up with fire. 17:17 For God has put into their minds to carry out his purpose by making a decision to give their royal power to the beast until the words of God are fulfilled.? [Note: There is ultimately no ?honor among thieves? as here they turn upon one of their own.] ?17:18 As for the woman you saw, she is the great city that has sovereignty over the kings of the earth.? [Note: Babylon.] *Interaction* *Consider* the big picture of sin which pollutes ?peoples, multitudes, nations, and languages? *Discuss* some practical ways explain the Biblical meaning of ?Babylon?. *Reflect* upon the subtle and not-so-subtle ways that sin is able to spread across to much of the world and not be recognized and rejected. *Share* an example from your life where you discovered hidden sin in your life which had been promoted by culture, tradition, government, or language. *Truth in Action* Today I will ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to me ways that enticements to sin are being brought into my life, promoted by culture, tradition, government, or language. I agree to do what I can to avoid and/or purge those things where I can, to pray for God's protection, and to enter into a prayer and accountability relationship with a fellow believer to keep myself safe. *Be Specific* _______________________________________ --------------------------------------- Tuesday's text will be: Revelation 18 --------------------------------------- -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Jan 11 09:43:34 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:43:34 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Tracking Members & Visitors? Message-ID: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> We need a way to track members and visitors, including contact info, visits, etc. It needs to be available *online* to the deacons and other authorized persons but reasonably confidential (password protected). Drupal can do this easily but the setup and maintenance overhead proved prohibitive in our past experience. Is there another app (preferably platform- independent) that can handle this? -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 10:50:28 2010 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:50:28 +0700 Subject: [Linux4christians] Tracking Members & Visitors? In-Reply-To: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> References: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <9844155d1001110750y132ae24do2aae7bce1aebc595@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Pastor David wrote: > We need a way to track members and visitors, > including contact info, visits, etc. > > It needs to be available *online* to the deacons > and other authorized persons but reasonably > confidential (password protected). > > Is there another app (preferably platform- > independent) that can handle this? How about churchinfo? It is pre-installed on Ubuntu CE server edition. DK From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Jan 11 11:09:33 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:09:33 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Tracking Members & Visitors? In-Reply-To: <9844155d1001110750y132ae24do2aae7bce1aebc595@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> <9844155d1001110750y132ae24do2aae7bce1aebc595@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4B4D3D.1040903@bibleseven.com> It doesn't seem to have "permissions" associated with anything other than financial data. Based on the "Feature Requests" it seems in a very early state of development. Wasn't there another Church Management app under dev. by someone associated with this list? I will also check with the Puppy Forum as I recall some active development of Church Management apps under discussion there - though it may only be the Bible Study apps that were completed. Thanks! PD > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Pastor David > wrote: >> We need a way to track members and visitors, >> including contact info, visits, etc. >> >> It needs to be available *online* to the deacons >> and other authorized persons but reasonably >> confidential (password protected). >> >> Is there another app (preferably platform- >> independent) that can handle this? > > How about churchinfo? It is pre-installed on Ubuntu CE server edition. > > DK > -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 11:45:46 2010 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:45:46 +0700 Subject: [Linux4christians] Tracking Members & Visitors? In-Reply-To: <4B4B4D3D.1040903@bibleseven.com> References: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> <9844155d1001110750y132ae24do2aae7bce1aebc595@mail.gmail.com> <4B4B4D3D.1040903@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <9844155d1001110845i597a3597o8adabb0754782522@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Pastor David wrote: > It doesn't seem to have "permissions" associated with > anything other than financial data. Just give the username and password to login. Without username and password, nobody could access anything in churchinfo. > Based on the "Feature Requests" it seems in a very > early state of development. I don't think it is early state development, the project started from 2004. You could test it online first: http://www.churchdb.org/ DK From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Jan 11 22:58:03 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:58:03 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 18 (Tuesday) Message-ID: <4B4BF34B.5040802@bibleseven.com> Note: Revelation is a work-in-progress. On the first pass each chapter required 2x - 3x more time than the prior NT chapters and as you will observe there are a lot of areas where a decisive interpretation is absent and where chronology is uncertain. This Book will require a great deal of additional work before it is even as sound of a solid draft than the others. BTW: So far only Genesis 1-4 and Ephesians have been studied twice. ----------------------------------------------------------- *Revelation 18 (Tuesday)* *Commentary* ?Babylon is Destroyed 18:1 After these things I saw another angel, who possessed great authority, coming down out of heaven, and the earth was lit up by his radiance.? [Note: This is not Jesus any more than the angel in 10:1 was. It has all of the markings of an ?archangel? such as Gabriel or Michael. Observe the light that he brings into a very dark world.] ?18:2 He shouted with a powerful voice: ?Fallen, fallen, is Babylon the great! She has become a lair for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detested beast.? [Note: See the discussion of ?Babylon? in Rev. 17] ?18:3 For all the nations have fallen from the wine of her immoral passion, and the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have gotten rich from the power of her sensual behavior.? [Note: Selling-out to anything but God is immoral and a slavery to the lusts of the flesh.] ?18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, ?Come out of her, my people, so you will not take part in her sins and so you will not receive her plagues,? [Note: This is a parallel to God's call upon Lot via Abraham to flee Sodom and Gomorrah.] ?18:5 because her sins have piled up all the way to heaven and God has remembered her crimes. 18:6 Repay her the same way she repaid others; pay her back double corresponding to her deeds. In the cup she mixed, mix double the amount for her. 18:7 As much as she exalted herself and lived in sensual luxury, to this extent give her torment and grief because she said to herself, ?I rule as queen and am no widow; I will never experience grief!? 18:8 For this reason, she will experience her plagues in a single day: disease, mourning, and famine, and she will be burned down with fire, because the Lord God who judges her is powerful!?? [Note: The source of encouragement to rebel against God is now punished by God.] ?18:9 Then the kings of the earth who committed immoral acts with her and lived in sensual luxury with her will weep and wail for her when they see the smoke from the fire that burns her up. 18:10 They will stand a long way off because they are afraid of her torment, and will say, ?Woe, woe, O great city, Babylon the powerful city! For in a single hour your doom has come!?? [Note: A parallel to Lot's wife.] ?18:11 Then the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn for her because no one buys their cargo any longer ? 18:12 cargo such as gold, silver, precious stones, pearls, fine linen, purple cloth, silk, scarlet cloth, all sorts of things made of citron wood, all sorts of objects made of ivory, all sorts of things made of expensive wood, bronze, iron and marble, 18:13 cinnamon, spice, incense, perfumed ointment, frankincense, wine, olive oil and costly flour, wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and four-wheeled carriages, slaves and human lives. 18:14 (The ripe fruit you greatly desired has gone from you, and all your luxury and splendor have gone from you ? they will never ever be found again!) 18:15 The merchants who sold these things, who got rich from her, will stand a long way off because they are afraid of her torment. They will weep and mourn, 18:16 saying, ?Woe, woe, O great city ? dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet clothing, and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls ? 18:17a because in a single hour such great wealth has been destroyed!? [Note: These people are so obsessed with the things of the world they miss the reality that the same God who destroyed Babylon has the power to destroy or save them.] ?18:17b And every ship?s captain, and all who sail along the coast ? seamen, and all who make their living from the sea, stood a long way off 18:18 and began to shout when they saw the smoke from the fire that burned her up, ?Who is like the great city?? 18:19 And they threw dust on their heads and were shouting with weeping and mourning, ?Woe, Woe, O great city ? in which all those who had ships on the sea got rich from her wealth ? because in a single hour she has been destroyed!? [Note: Again, they miss the point.] ?18:20 (Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, for God has pronounced judgment against her on your behalf!)? [Note: Justice.] ?18:21 Then one powerful angel picked up a stone like a huge millstone, threw it into the sea, and said, ?With this kind of sudden violent force Babylon the great city will be thrown down and it will never be found again! 18:22 And the sound of the harpists, musicians, flute players, and trumpeters will never be heard in you again. No craftsman who practices any trade will ever be found in you again; the noise of a mill will never be heard in you again. 18:23 Even the light from a lamp will never shine in you again! The voices of the bridegroom and his bride will never be heard in you again. For your merchants were the tycoons of the world, because all the nations were deceived by your magic spells! 18:24 The blood of the saints and prophets was found in her, along with the blood of all those who had been killed on the earth.? [Note: The legend of Atlantis probably flowed from an unattributed thread from Revelation or perhaps the OT prophesy upon which it is built, though the mystery in that fable is how and why the great city of Atlantis was suddenly destroyed. There are many such fables which some claim to pre-date the Bible but they are mere fragments of the Biblical story for which the threads of connection have been long-lost. To the direct point of the text, justice is meted-out upon this well-spring of rebellious selfishness.] *Interaction* *Consider* the blindness of those who are observing the destruction, they are so consumed with their momentary selfishness that they miss the big-picture reality of Who is doing the destroying and why. *Discuss* practical ways to parallel the sinful influence ?Babylon?, as described here, and that of individuals, institutions, philosophies, and religions today. *Reflect* upon the reach of the influence of Babylon and how entangled so much of the world had become ? so that they could neither recognize the evil nor could they comprehend that ?her? fate was about to become theirs. *Share* an example of an individual, institution, philosophy, or religion that has sold-out to ?Babylon?. *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to seek-out a place in my life where I have been tolerating a Babylon-influence for reasons of comfort, convenience, power, or profit. I agree to partner with the Holy Spirit, and as is appropriate, a fellow believer (for accountability and prayer) to purge that influence from my life ? no matter the cost. *Be Specific* _____________________________________ ---------------------------------------- Wednesday's text will be: Revelation 19 ---------------------------------------- -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From wa3fkg at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 01:23:23 2010 From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Tracking Members & Visitors? In-Reply-To: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> References: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Pastor David wrote: > We need a way to track members and visitors, > including contact info, visits, etc. > > It needs to be available *online* to the deacons > and other authorized persons but reasonably > confidential (password protected). > > Drupal can do this easily but the setup and > maintenance overhead proved prohibitive in our > past experience. > > Is there another app (preferably platform- > independent) that can handle this? > > -- > > "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 > Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist > http://bethelstatesboro.org > Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional > http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Since it needs to be platform independent I was going to suggest Google Docs but it sounds like you are looking for something a little more sophisticated than a spread sheet. You may still want to look into it though. I have been surprised at what can be done if you combine a spread sheet with Google forms. I learn every day that I have only scratched the surface of Google Docs. Have you thought about developing a quick database with Open Office? Open Office being available for the three major operating system I would think that the data files could be read from Windows, Mac and Linux. Again, I'm treading in new waters not having done that much with Open Office Base. Hope you find a solution for your need and please if you do post here and let us know what it turned out being. -- Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG http://www.wa3fkg.com John 3:16 Please address all complaints to /dev/null The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux! Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bstaggs at staggs.net Tue Jan 12 01:47:47 2010 From: bstaggs at staggs.net (Billy Staggs) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:47:47 -0600 Subject: [Linux4christians] Ubuntu LVM2 In-Reply-To: References: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: Greetings, Does anyone have any experience expanding the partition of a LVM2 file system? I cloned a 250GB hard drive to a 1TB hard drive with clonezillia and now I have, essentially a 200+GB parathion on a 1TB drive without any means of using the extra 750GB of free space. What I had intended to do was to use GParted to expand the partition after the clone. Clone went fine, but since GParted will not work on a LVM partition (something that I am painfully aware of now) I seem to be stuck. Any thoughts, short of fresh install :-) ? Thanks, Bstaggs <>< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From l4c at thelinuxlink.net Tue Jan 12 07:35:34 2010 From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Ubuntu LVM2 In-Reply-To: References: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <4B4C6C96.4070502@thelinuxlink.net> Billy Staggs wrote: > Greetings, > > > > Does anyone have any experience expanding the partition of a LVM2 file > system? I cloned a 250GB hard drive to a 1TB hard drive with > clonezillia and now I have, essentially a 200+GB parathion on a 1TB > drive without any means of using the extra 750GB of free space. What I > had intended to do was to use GParted to expand the partition after the > clone. Clone went fine, but since GParted will not work on a LVM > partition (something that I am painfully aware of now) I seem to be > stuck. Any thoughts, short of fresh install J ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bstaggs <>< Here's a post of one I did not too long ago that should help ya out. http://lincgeek.org/blog/?p=548 From mtelesha at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 11:36:53 2010 From: mtelesha at gmail.com (Marc Telesha) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:36:53 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Ex-Muslim's college speech disrupted by arson. In-Reply-To: <4B303773.1020408@bibleseven.com> References: <4B1C0D12.4000902@lightlink.com> <6F7F523C-88E3-4188-A22D-86F57A5B20E9@ofb.biz> <9844155d0912172101g73903f25p19c86788a05221ab@mail.gmail.com> <1261118884.15108.20.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912172318x3e28874y7919ca9be199c280@mail.gmail.com> <1261130063.5067.26.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912180213v4001211jd4822af615dcb40e@mail.gmail.com> <324111A0-76D2-4AC5-B42D-DAE6D5008000@ofb.biz> <9844155d0912201757l2c6fa5far9a10ed68226773c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B303773.1020408@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: > > >> There no secret about "first level" of Christianity. But the higher >> level would not be written down >> > This sounds like Origin or in the modern times Watchmen Nee and his later followers teachings. I would be interested if you were influenced by these teachers? Also 1 Cor. 3:2 is quoted out of context it is in the context of Paul's and Apollos' "followers." 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URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Jan 12 19:41:50 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 19 (Wednesday) Message-ID: <4B4D16CE.70301@bibleseven.com> *Revelation 19 (Wednesday)* *Commentary* "19:1 After these things I heard what sounded like the loud voice of a vast throng in heaven, saying, ?Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, 19:2 because his judgments are true and just. For he has judged the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her sexual immorality, and has avenged the blood of his servants poured out by her own hands!? ? [Note: Justice.] ?19:3 Then a second time the crowd shouted, ?Hallelujah!? The smoke rises from her forever and ever. 19:4 The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures threw themselves to the ground and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne, saying: ?Amen! Hallelujah!?? [Note: The phrase ?... forever and ever? is a rhetorical flourish best understood in the context of linear created time. They are bonded to the created and then fallen ?heavens and earth?, therefore when the heavens and earth as we know them are obliterated everything associated is obliterated.] ?19:5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying: ?Praise our God all you his servants, and all you who fear Him, both the small and the great!? 19:6 Then I heard what sounded like the voice of a vast throng, like the roar of many waters and like loud crashes of thunder. They were shouting: ?Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the All-Powerful, reigns! 19:7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him glory, because the wedding celebration of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. [Note: Prophesy is being fulfilled. The ?bride? is the ?Church?, faithful believers.] ?19:8 She was permitted to be dressed in bright, clean, fine linen? (for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints). 19:9a Then the angel said to me, ?Write the following: Blessed are those who are invited to the banquet at the wedding celebration of the Lamb!?? [Note: The ?saints? are faithful believers. Jesus used the illustration of a ?wedding celebration? previously, it was reported in the gospels. ?19:9b He also said to me, ?These are the true words of God.? 19:10 So I threw myself down at his feet to worship him, but he said, ?Do not do this! I am only a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony about Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony about Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.? ? [Note: Only God may be worshiped, Father, Son, or Holy Spirit. No other, ever.] ?The Son of God Goes to War 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened and here came a white horse! The one riding it was called ?Faithful? and ?True,? and with justice he judges and goes to war. 19:12 His eyes are like a fiery flame and there are many diadem crowns on his head. He has a name written that no one knows except himself. 19:13 He is dressed in clothing dipped in blood, and he is called the Word of God.? [Note: This is Jesus.] ?19:14 The armies that are in heaven, dressed in white, clean, fine linen, were following him on white horses.? [Note: These are believers who have been made pure in Heaven.] ?19:15 From his mouth extends a sharp sword, so that with it he can strike the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod, and he stomps the winepress of the furious wrath of God, the All-Powerful. 19:16 He has a name written on his clothing and on his thigh: ?King of kings and Lord of lords.? ? [Note: Ephesians 6:17, the sword of the Spirit is the right application of the Word of God in spiritual warfare, and in day to day living. Here it convicts and condemns those who are in unrepentant rebellion.] ?19:17 Then I saw one angel standing in the sun, and he shouted in a loud voice to all the birds flying high in the sky: ?Come, gather around for the great banquet of God, 19:18 to eat your fill of the flesh of kings, the flesh of generals, the flesh of powerful people, the flesh of horses and those who ride them, and the flesh of all people, both free and slave, and small and great!? ? [Note: It was a common curse or taunt in OT warfare to declare that the bird would feast on the flesh of ones enemy.] ?19:19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to do battle with the one who rode the horse and with his army. 19:20 Now the beast was seized, and along with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf ? signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire burning with sulfur. 19:21 The others were killed by the sword that extended from the mouth of the one who rode the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves with their flesh.? [Note: The army of rebellion is destroyed. While the beast and the false prophet are powerful ? yet they are easily cast into the ?lake of fire? their master, Satan, has yet to be dealt the final blow.] *Interaction* *Consider* the partnership God chooses with believers. *Discuss* some practical ways to know for certain that you are never doing anything that even hints at ?worship? of anyone or anything but God. *Reflect* upon the report that it is the Word of God which destroys His enemies. *Share* a practical example where the Word of God destroyed the power of lies or of temptations that had previously troubled you. *Truth in Action* Today I am choosing to seek out a place or places where lies or temptations have troubled me and I agree to apply the Word of God in order to receive the gift of God's perspective and power and priorities ? and be set more-free. *Be Specific* _____________________________________ ---------------------------------------- Thursday's text will be: Revelation 20 ---------------------------------------- -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 01:09:02 2010 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:09:02 +0700 Subject: [Linux4christians] Ex-Muslim's college speech disrupted by arson. In-Reply-To: References: <4B1C0D12.4000902@lightlink.com> <9844155d0912172101g73903f25p19c86788a05221ab@mail.gmail.com> <1261118884.15108.20.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912172318x3e28874y7919ca9be199c280@mail.gmail.com> <1261130063.5067.26.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912180213v4001211jd4822af615dcb40e@mail.gmail.com> <324111A0-76D2-4AC5-B42D-DAE6D5008000@ofb.biz> <9844155d0912201757l2c6fa5far9a10ed68226773c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B303773.1020408@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <9844155d1001122209n7a972bdbx747a999894b9cc30@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Marc Telesha wrote: > This sounds like Origin or in the modern times Watchmen Nee and his later > followers teachings. > I would be?interested?if you were influenced by these teachers? > Also 1 Cor. 3:2 is quoted out of context it is in the context of Paul's and > Apollos' "followers." It is nto about something hidden. No, I do not know Watchmen Nee's teaching. But the main question is why Jesus and his disciples are so powerful, even shadow of Peter could heal sick people: Act 5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. Whereas now, even the charismatic christian could not do such things. DK From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Wed Jan 13 08:58:01 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:58:01 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Ex-Muslim's college speech disrupted by arson. In-Reply-To: <9844155d1001122209n7a972bdbx747a999894b9cc30@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1C0D12.4000902@lightlink.com> <9844155d0912172101g73903f25p19c86788a05221ab@mail.gmail.com> <1261118884.15108.20.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912172318x3e28874y7919ca9be199c280@mail.gmail.com> <1261130063.5067.26.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912180213v4001211jd4822af615dcb40e@mail.gmail.com> <324111A0-76D2-4AC5-B42D-DAE6D5008000@ofb.biz> <9844155d0912201757l2c6fa5far9a10ed68226773c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B303773.1020408@bibleseven.com> <9844155d1001122209n7a972bdbx747a999894b9cc30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4DD169.8030506@bibleseven.com> I don't know what "charismatic christian" has to do with healing. That is a man-made distinction based upon a style or worship and certain interpretive distinctions. I have seen healing in response to prayer, people whom the doctors have said were doomed to long-term treatment with chemo and radiation cleansed of cancer, an older woman whose husband was told to "Say your good-byes" miraculously cured of terminal cancer. There are certain "signs and wonders" reserved for the first century in order to firmly establish the foundations of the Biblical Christian Church (believers). If these same "signs and wonders" continued then everyone would be worshiping the "signs and wonders", or those through whom they were funneled, rather than God. Do miracles still happen? Yes. Has our faith become so much "small(er) than a mustard seed" that miracles are less common? Yes. Is the greatest miracle a fallen and rebellious human acknowledging and surrendering to the Lordship of Christ? Yes. > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Marc Telesha > wrote: >> This sounds like Origin or in the modern times Watchmen >> Nee and his later followers teachings. I would be >> interested if you were influenced by these teachers? >> Also 1 Cor. 3:2 is quoted out of context it is in the >> context of Paul's and Apollos' "followers." It is nto >> about something hidden. > > No, I do not know Watchmen Nee's teaching. But the main > question is why Jesus and his disciples are so powerful, > even shadow of Peter could heal sick people: > > Act 5:15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into > the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at > the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow > some of them. > > Whereas now, even the charismatic christian could not do > such things. > > DK -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Wed Jan 13 15:51:30 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:51:30 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 20 (Thursday) Message-ID: <4B4E3252.6090304@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d.kuntadi at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 00:02:32 2010 From: d.kuntadi at gmail.com (David Kuntadi) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:02:32 +0700 Subject: [Linux4christians] Ex-Muslim's college speech disrupted by arson. In-Reply-To: <4B4DD169.8030506@bibleseven.com> References: <4B1C0D12.4000902@lightlink.com> <9844155d0912172318x3e28874y7919ca9be199c280@mail.gmail.com> <1261130063.5067.26.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912180213v4001211jd4822af615dcb40e@mail.gmail.com> <324111A0-76D2-4AC5-B42D-DAE6D5008000@ofb.biz> <9844155d0912201757l2c6fa5far9a10ed68226773c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B303773.1020408@bibleseven.com> <9844155d1001122209n7a972bdbx747a999894b9cc30@mail.gmail.com> <4B4DD169.8030506@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <9844155d1001132102x5fad2ec1x77b8c6347ebb2b40@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Pastor David wrote: > I don't know what "charismatic christian" has to do with healing. ?That is a > man-made distinction based upon a style or worship and certain interpretive > distinctions. Charismatic christians are groups of people believe in miracles. So many churches do not believe in miracles anymore saying that it is not necessary lest people would worhsip the miracle instead of Jesus. > I have seen healing in response to prayer, people whom the doctors have said > were doomed to long-term treatment with chemo and radiation cleansed of > cancer, an older woman whose > husband was told to "Say your good-byes" miraculously cured of terminal > cancer. There are 2 problems here: 1. Those miracles never been certified by doctors and published in scientific papers/news. Or please give me one if you have. 2. Despite no authentic evidence, those Christians claims to experience miracles to attract more people joining their groups. > There are certain "signs and wonders" reserved for the first century in > order to firmly establish the foundations of the Biblical Christian Church (believers). > > If these same "signs and wonders" continued then everyone would be worshiping the "signs and wonders", or those through > whom they were funneled, rather than God. So, why Jesus and his disciples perform many signs and wonders? Isn't it just our excuses of our failing faith so as there is no miracles? For Jesus said that we would do greater works than Jesus: Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; DK From newsybits at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 01:03:43 2010 From: newsybits at gmail.com (Dave Powell) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:03:43 +1000 Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux4christians Digest, Vol 69, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c0d10fd1001132203g2e9d6012u98e51ea387956811@mail.gmail.com> Well fellers looks like you don't like your College meetings disrupted. Still discussing the issue I see. Maybe it's time for you to have a little larf. Bill Muehlenberg is an Auzzie commentator with a lot of good common sense and sometimes he throws in some humour. How nations deal with terrorist threats The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance." The last time the English issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588 when threatened by the Spanish Armada. The Scots raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards" They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years. The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide". The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability. It's not only the French who are on a heightened level of alert. Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout loudly and excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides." The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbor" and "Lose". Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels. The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy. Americans meanwhile and as usual are carrying out pre-emptive strikes, on all of their allies, just in case. And in the southern hemisphere... New Zealand has also raised its security levels - from "baaa" to "BAAAA!" Due to continuing defense cutbacks (the airforce being a squadron of spotty teenagers flying paper aeroplanes and the navy some toy boats in the Prime Minister's bath), New Zealand only has one more level of escalation, which is "I hope Australia will come and rescue us". Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, mate". Three more escalation levels remain: "Crikey!', "I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend" and "The barbie is cancelled". So far no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level. Bill Muehlenberg CultureWatch http://www.billmuehlenberg.com -- Kind regards Rev Dave Powell (Home) Ph No. 07 4635 0204 or 0405 450 259 Bible Methodist Church - Kilcoy www.thebmca.org President Darling Downs Christian Conventions Inc Be kinder than necessary. Everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. You never know when a moment and a few sincere words can have an impact on a life for a life. From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Thu Jan 14 12:35:37 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:35:37 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Ex-Muslim's college speech disrupted by arson. In-Reply-To: <9844155d1001132102x5fad2ec1x77b8c6347ebb2b40@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B1C0D12.4000902@lightlink.com> <9844155d0912172318x3e28874y7919ca9be199c280@mail.gmail.com> <1261130063.5067.26.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> <9844155d0912180213v4001211jd4822af615dcb40e@mail.gmail.com> <324111A0-76D2-4AC5-B42D-DAE6D5008000@ofb.biz> <9844155d0912201757l2c6fa5far9a10ed68226773c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B303773.1020408@bibleseven.com> <9844155d1001122209n7a972bdbx747a999894b9cc30@mail.gmail.com> <4B4DD169.8030506@bibleseven.com> <9844155d1001132102x5fad2ec1x77b8c6347ebb2b40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B4F55E9.3050504@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you would like to participate: Every evening at either 9:00 pm Eastern Time; (8:00 pm Central); (7:00 pm Mountain (6:00 pm Pacific), stop whatever you are doing and spend one minute praying for the safety of the United States, our troops, our citizens, and for a return to a Godly nation. {And I might add, for an unprecedented true revival in Christians, to be followed by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in each one!} If you know anyone else who would like to participate, please pass this along. Our prayers are the most powerful asset we have. Please forward this to your praying friends. -- A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The manuals are confusing and tutorial videos either too long and boring or don't play well. New minister may be open to moving to Open Source...trustee's wanted to wait until he is on board also. Machines are P3, 2.8 GHz, with 500 MB RAM....slow with Anti-virus and in my view perfect for a version of Ubuntu CE or other Open Source OS. Thank you, Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am having trouble doing the following: > > > Machines are P3, 2.8 GHz, with 500 MB RAM....slow with Anti-virus and in my > view perfect for a version of Ubuntu CE or other Open Source OS. > > Thank you, > Joe > I'm sorry to say that I don't have any experience with open source packages for church use as my church/school is a Windows shop with the exception of two boxes one of which is a file server/Internet gateway and another that is an open source PBX for our phone system. I have worked with Red Hat, SuSe, Ubuntu and Linux Mint on desktop and laptop systems and I highly recommend Ubuntu or Mint for your desktop systems. When you do find a system that works for you please come back and let the group know what you decided on and how its working out. -- Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com John 3:16 Please address all complaints to /dev/null The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux! 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In-Reply-To: <4B51D40D.1050508@bibleseven.com> References: <4B4B3916.2040909@bibleseven.com> <4B51D40D.1050508@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <4B5221D6.9060701@lavabit.com> Pastor David wrote: > Still haven't found anything - odd that there isn't a basic CMS for > churches that isn't OS-specific. > > We may need to go with the commercial Acquia version of Drupal > or maybe something under Wordpress. > > Sigh. > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:43 AM, > Pastor David > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > We need a way to track members and visitors, including contact > info, > > > visits, etc. > > > > > > It needs to be available *online* to the deacons and other > authorized > > > persons but reasonably confidential (password protected). > > > > > > Drupal can do this easily but the setup and maintenance overhead > > > proved prohibitive in our past experience. > > > > > > Is there another app (preferably platform- independent) that can > > > handle this? > > > > > > > > > Since it needs to be platform independent I was going to suggest > > > Google Docs but it sounds like you are looking for something a > little > > > more sophisticated than a spread sheet. You may still want to look > > > into it though. I have been surprised at what can be done if you > > > combine a spread sheet with Google forms. I learn every day that I > > > have only scratched the surface of Google Docs. > > > > > > Have you thought about developing a quick database with Open > Office? > > > Open Office being available for the three major operating system I > > > would think that the data files could be read from Windows, Mac and > > > Linux. Again, I'm treading in new waters not having done that much > > > with Open Office Base. Hope you find a solution for your need and > > > please if you do post here and let us know what it turned out > being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG http://www.wa3fkg.com John 3:16 Please > > > address all complaints to /dev/null The box said "Win98/2000/XP or > > > better" so I installed Linux! Glock - The ultimate point and click > > > user interface. > > -- > > "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 > Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist > http://bethelstatesboro.org > Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional > http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > Have you seen this? I went poking around over at the Geeks & God forums here: http://geeksandgod.com/forum# Here's some stuff I found: Kool - the Church Tool (funny name...) integrates with Typo3: http://www.churchtool.org/about.html CiviCRM looks nice, and it goes with Joomla and Drupal: http://civicrm.org/ Some folks are working on an open source web-based ChMS similar to F1. http://theopensourcechurch.org/blog/ Looks like it's vaporware until it's out of beta, but maybe you can help them with testing. :) That's all I could dig up. -Eddy From hpp3 at lavabit.com Sat Jan 16 16:10:19 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:10:19 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: (Long and Cross-Posted) Help with Shepherd's Staff -- OnTopic: Moving to Open Source In-Reply-To: <2f8603d91001160601u7a6e122i49ef94cc5c1db373@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f8603d91001160601u7a6e122i49ef94cc5c1db373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B522B3B.50602@lavabit.com> Joseph Gulizia wrote: > Church has been using Shepherd's Staff on Windows XP for many years. > I am having trouble doing the following: > > 1) Printing end of year statements...database errors. > 2) Exporting to Excel ( the only spreadsheet option it gives ) > > I have to do end-of-year reporting soon and it's a pain. > > Without starting a flame war I'd like to find a similar open source > program and one easier to use....I'm even thinking of hand entering > all the current data to excel until I can get Open Office approved. > > The Board of Trustees won't upgrade Shepherd's Staff because we can't > afford it ( fine with me ) AND > I can't call their tech support because it's $65 per call. The > manuals are confusing and tutorial videos either too long and boring > or don't play well. > > New minister may be open to moving to Open Source...trustee's wanted > to wait until he is on board also. > > Machines are P3, 2.8 GHz, with 500 MB RAM....slow with Anti-virus and > in my view perfect for a version of Ubuntu CE or other Open Source OS. > > Thank you, > Joe > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > Those machines are more than enough for Ubuntu (or any Linux for that matter...) the problem is software, of course. Can your interim needs be solved by a plain database? I haven't worked with OpenOffice Base very much, but I hear good things about it. OpenOffice Calc should be able to open any Excel files you might throw at it as well. I wish I knew more about church management software, I'd probably be able to better help in the search. -Eddy From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Jan 16 16:18:42 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: (Long and Cross-Posted) Help with Shepherd's Staff -- OnTopic: Moving to Open Source In-Reply-To: <4B522B3B.50602@lavabit.com> References: <2f8603d91001160601u7a6e122i49ef94cc5c1db373@mail.gmail.com> <4B522B3B.50602@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4B522D32.9070405@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wa3fkg at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 17:31:12 2010 From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:31:12 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: (Long and Cross-Posted) Help with Shepherd's Staff -- OnTopic: Moving to Open Source In-Reply-To: <4B522B3B.50602@lavabit.com> References: <2f8603d91001160601u7a6e122i49ef94cc5c1db373@mail.gmail.com> <4B522B3B.50602@lavabit.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Eddy Martin wrote: > Those machines are more than enough for Ubuntu (or any Linux for that > matter...) the problem is software, of course. > Can your interim needs be solved by a plain database? > I haven't worked with OpenOffice Base very much, but I hear good things > about it. > OpenOffice Calc should be able to open any Excel files you might throw at > it as well. > I wish I knew more about church management software, I'd probably be able > to better help in the search. > -Eddy > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > Just Googling around found this. You might want to give it a look also. http://www.churchdb.org/ -- Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com John 3:16 Please address all complaints to /dev/null The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux! Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sat Jan 16 18:40:07 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:40:07 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 1:1-25 (Sunday) Message-ID: <4B524E57.6030503@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Jan 17 14:01:49 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:01:49 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Revelation 22 (Saturday) Message-ID: <4B535E9D.5070300@bibleseven.com> I apologize - I suffered a computer crash and did not realize that the Saturday study never went out. Someone just inquired and I found it still in my Drafts folder. PD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revelation 22 (Saturday) Commentary ?22:1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life ? water as clear as crystal ? pouring out from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 22:2 flowing down the middle of the city?s main street. On each side of the river is the tree of life producing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month of the year. Its leaves are for the healing of the nations.? [Note: While John does not use the modifier ?like?, the finer details of his description remains a ?best approximation? using images and words with which he was familiar. The word picture is, however, inspiring to read ? however our perception once there may vary in small ways.] ?22:3a And there will no longer be any curse,? [Note: The curse of the Fall will have been obliterated with the rest of fallen-Creation because any who are in Heaven will have been made pure and holy. No rebellion, no sin, ever again.] ?22:3b ? and the throne of God and the Lamb will be in the city. His servants will worship him, 22:4 and they will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.? [Note: Nothing imperfect may be in the presence of perfection ? the imperfect will be destroyed. As we read John's words we discover that we will be in God's presence.] ?22:5 Night will be no more, and they will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, because the Lord God will shine on them, and they will reign forever and ever. ? [Note: The phrase ?reign? is interesting here as there are only the faithful in the ?New Jerusalem?, so ?reign? should be understood not in terms of a power relationship but more-so in terms of living in the ?new Creation? of the ?New Jerusalem?.] ?A Final Reminder 22:6 Then the angel said to me, ?These words are reliable and true. The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must happen soon.? 22:7a (Look! I am coming soon! ? [Note: The angel is quoting Jesus.] ?22:7b Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy expressed in this book.) ? [Note: The term ?keeps? refers to protecting and sharing ?the words of the prophesy?, it may also be taken as ?keep(ing)? those conditional terms of the prophesy, and/or to refer to the One (God) Who ?keeps? His Word..] ?22:8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things, and when I heard and saw them, I threw myself down to worship at the feet of the angel who was showing them to me. 22:9 But he said to me, ?Do not do this! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets, and with those who obey the words of this book. Worship God!?? [Note: Only God accepts worship ? any other person or being who allows anyone to worship them in any way is a heretic to the true Biblical faith. (The terms recreant or deceiver or false god may be applied as well. This includes political leaders, religious leaders, celebrities, and fallen angels.] ?22:10 Then he said to me, ?Do not seal up the words of the prophecy contained in this book, because the time is near. 22:11 The evildoer must continue to do evil, and the one who is morally filthy must continue to be filthy. The one who is righteous must continue to act righteously, and the one who is holy must continue to be holy.? ? [Note: Prophesy mostly re-tells the past and partly foreshadows the future; both are valuable to a right understanding of God and His expectations of us. Prophesy serves to confront us all with truth.] ?22:12 (Look! I am coming soon, and my reward is with me to pay each one according to what he has done! [Note: Justice!] ?22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end!) ? [Note: God is not confined by anything in Creation, He is far above and apart from the constraints of linear time.] ?22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can have access to the tree of life and can enter into the city by the gates. 22:15 Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the sexually immoral, and the murderers, and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood! ? [Note: Another evidence that God will not allow anyone capable of sin into heaven.] ?22:16 ?I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star!? 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, ?Come!? And let the one who hears say: ?Come!? And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wants it take the water of life free of charge. ? [Note: Another affirmation that salvation requires a mutual agreement.] ?22:18 I testify to the one who hears the words of the prophecy contained in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book. ? [Note: There is some difference of opinion as to the term ?this book?. Some believe it to refer only to the book of Revelation, or perhaps even a subset of Revelation, while others take it to refer to the entirety of ?God's Book? the Bible. This parallels Deuteronomy 4:2 ?Do not add a thing to what I command you nor subtract from it, so that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I am delivering to you.?. Since Deuteronomy is one of the earliest books of the Bible and Revelation at the end it is reasonable to conclude that the common language is intentional ? designed to defend the entirety of God's Word.] ?22:20 The one who testifies to these things says, ?Yes, I am coming soon!? Amen! Come, Lord Jesus! 22:21 The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all.? [Note: John records a final declaration of the credentials of the Bible and then celebrates the coming of Jesus (yesterday, today, tomorrow, and at the end of created time) to bring hope and salvation.] Interaction Consider the amazing word-picture of Heaven. Discuss practical ways to identify people who allow or encourage people to functionally treat them as idols, objects of worship. Reflect upon God's intentional repetition of the credentials of His Word as true. Share an example of someone trying to undermine the credibility of the Bible. Truth in Action Today I am committing to share this chapter with someone who has expressed doubts as to the accuracy, authority, or legitimacy of the Bible. Be Specific _________________________________________________ Sunday's text will be: The Gospels - Section One -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Jan 17 21:27:19 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 1:26-80 (Monday) Message-ID: <4B53C707.1070909@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathon.blake at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 18:22:07 2010 From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:22:07 +0000 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: (Long and Cross-Posted) Help with Shepherd's Staff -- OnTopic: Moving to Open Source In-Reply-To: <2f8603d91001160601u7a6e122i49ef94cc5c1db373@mail.gmail.com> References: <2f8603d91001160601u7a6e122i49ef94cc5c1db373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:01, Joseph Gulizia wrote: > Without starting a flame war I'd like to find a similar open source program and one easier to use. Would Churchinfo be sutiable? http://www.churchdb.org/ It is one of the packages included in the _Ubuntu Christian Edition, Server Edition_ DVD. jonathon From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Jan 18 21:19:52 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 4:14-5:11, John 2-4 (Tuesday) Message-ID: <4B5516C8.7020105@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Jan 18 21:34:57 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 4:14-5:11, John 2-4 (Tuesday) - CORRECTION In-Reply-To: <4B5516C8.7020105@bibleseven.com> References: <4B5516C8.7020105@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <4B551A51.7040701@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Tue Jan 19 20:49:57 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Microsoft readies emergency IE patch to counter public exploits Message-ID: <4B566145.1000805@lightlink.com> Microsoft readies emergency IE patch to counter public exploits The out-of-band update will be released once the company is satisfied that it has been properly tested against all affected versions of Windows. by Ryan Naraine READ FULL STORY -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams, 2nd US President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Jan 19 22:31:26 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:31:26 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 1 (Wednesday) Message-ID: <4B56790E.6030809@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Section Two walks through the ministry of John ?the Baptist,? continuing with the baptism, temptation, and early ministry of Jesus; the calling of the disciples; the first public miracle; cleansing of the temple; conflict with religious leaders; and the sermon on the plain. *Mark 1, Luke 3, Matthew 3 (Sunday)* *Commentary* Mark 1 notes that critical to, and the essence of, the ministry of John was to call people to repentance and baptism in anticipation of the coming of the Savior. He then briefly records the baptism of the baby Jesus, son of Joseph (Jesus the Son of God needed no baptism); the announcement by the Holy Spirit that Jesus is both unique and uniquely loved of God; and then the fasting and temptation/testing of Jesus by Satan in the desert. Jesus, sinless up to this point in time, remains sinless after being tempted and tested by Satan. In His weakest physical condition, following 40 days of fasting in the desert, He proves He is worthy to stand as the sinless sacrificial lamb for all of the sins of all of mankind. Mark then reports the preaching of Jesus in Galilee, the calling of several disciples, His power over the demon-possessed man, and miracles of healing at the house of Simon and of the leper along the road. [Note: Both singular and plural terms are used when the demon cries out, "Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are" (1:24); it appears that the demon speaks in fear for both itself and for all demons.] Luke 3 adds details to the ministry of John, by fixing the historic time and place as during "the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (vs 1)" and in "all the region around the Jordan River (vs 3)? and by recording John's chastising words, his fearless evangelical challenge, and his imprisonment at the hands of Herod. Luke presents the Holy Spirit in an assumed physical form ?like that of a Dove.? Luke also provides the genealogy of Jesus (from "supposedly" the son of Joseph all the way back to "the son of Adam, the son of God") to affirm that He was the One of prophesy. [Note: In the Word, only Adam and Jesus are ever spoken of as the "son/Son of God" ? in recorded biblical genealogies, all others are the "sons" of men.] Matthew 3 describes the ministry of John also, but whereas Luke emphasized John's challenge to the people, Matthew emphasizes his challenge to religious leaders. Matthew also records the context of John's ministry versus that of Jesus' ? ?I baptize you with water ? He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire? (3:11). Some struggle to understand ?Holy Spirit? and ?fire? as separate image, word-pictures incorrectly used in the justification of one denominational view over another. Yet the meaning of these terms is made clear in verse 12: The baptismal "fire" of the Holy Spirit convicts the unsaved of their sin and invites them to repent and accept the Gift of Salvation earned and offered by the Christ. He who rejects the Gift faces a condemning, and eventually a consuming, fire; he who accepts faces a cleansing and purifying fire. *Interaction* *Consider* that while Jesus contained the essence of God the Son he also contained the essence of Jesus, son of Mary, the human. Later text describes the glory of the God-half of Jesus being slowly revealed; one may reasonably postulate that this "revelation of glory" is to /equip Him/ for a more powerful ministry rather than to /reward Him/ for good behavior! Jesus received back His full glory only after His ascension to Heaven. *Discuss* the way that Jesus the man needed to qualify as the sinless lamb of sacrifice; the Jewish sacrifice for Him at eight days, His education in the Law and the Prophets, His baptism as hosted by John ?for all righteousness?, and his fasting and testing in the desert were all done in keeping to the letter of the prophesy of The Christ. He was also being prepared for ministry in His human state. *Reflect* upon the intent of the text that the call to repentance is God's message to both follower and leader ? turn away from rebellion against God, whatever the form ? turn to the only One who can forgive and save. Everyone faces fire ? either a destructive or a purifying fire ? no one escapes. We each make a choice: no action is rebellion, rebellion is rebellion, submission is freedom. *Share some practical ways that you might illustrate to someone who has expressed an interest in Christ, or to a new believer, the meaning of no action is rebellion, rebellion is rebellion, submission is freedom.* *Faith in Action* Today I will identify one "rebellion" against God I harbor, something I know to be against His perfect will for me, and repent ? turn away ? from it. I will pray, allowing God through the indwelling Holy Spirit, to be Lord of that part of my life and surrender it to Him. Be Specific _______________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monday's text will be: John 1:15-51, Matthew 4, Luke 4:1-13 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Sun Jan 24 21:22:27 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:22:27 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] John 1:15-51, Matthew 4, Luke 4:1-13 (Monday) Message-ID: <4B5D0063.7010106@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Mon Jan 25 17:54:45 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:54:45 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 4:14-5:11, John 2-4 (Tuesday) Message-ID: <4B5E2135.407@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Mon Jan 25 23:05:14 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:05:14 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Open source medical software delivers in Haiti Message-ID: <4B5E69FA.4090908@lightlink.com> Since 2004 PIH has also been co-sponsor of an open source medical records system called OpenMRS . (The other partner is the Regenstrief Institute of Indiana.) http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5685&tag=nl.e539 -- SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Mon Jan 25 23:39:29 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Neocutis Message-ID: <4B5E7201.50003@lightlink.com> "A company well-named Neocutis now offers a skin cream made from human fetal tissue. To quote the company's Web site: 'Inspired by fetal skin's unique properties, Neocutis's proprietary technology uses cultured fetal skin cells to obtain an optimal, naturally balanced mixture of skin nutrients.' This outfit, it may not surprise Gentle Reader to learn, is based in San Francisco, and says its product can 'turn back time to create flawless baby-skin again.' What good news for those suffering from dry skin -- and who doesn't this time of year? ... But there's sure to be some reactionary who objects to progress, and a niggling objection did indeed surface here and there to this latest advance in the commodification of the unborn. In its defense, Neocutis issued a statement to all concerned: 'Our view -- which is shared by most medical professionals and patients -- is that the limited, prudent and responsible use of donated fetal skin tissue can continue to ease suffering, speed healing, save lives and improve the well-being of many patients around the globe.' And improve the company's balance sheet, too. Call it another benefit from the ever-growing abortion industry. And another triumph of supply-side economics! Create the supply and demand will follow. It does make one wonder why, if the use of human fetuses for such purposes is so unalloyed a good, the company feels the need to assure us that the practice is 'limited, prudent and responsible.' Is that a faint echo of some vestigial conscience?" --Arkansas Democrat-Gazette editor Paul Greenberg -- SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Tue Jan 26 00:11:00 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:11:00 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Life after Windows: What happens to tech if Microsoft dies Message-ID: <4B5E7964.8080004@lightlink.com> *Life after Windows: What happens to tech if Microsoft dies* To listen to the free open source software crowd, the demise of Windows would signal a kind of rebirth for information technology. But the demise of Microsoft would plunge the industry into an apocalyptic tailspin of biblical proportions. *Read More* -- SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpp3 at lavabit.com Tue Jan 26 00:26:23 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:26:23 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Neocutis In-Reply-To: <4B5E7201.50003@lightlink.com> References: <4B5E7201.50003@lightlink.com> Message-ID: <4B5E7CFF.2040905@lavabit.com> While I disagree with the idea whole-heartedly, the website declares that the fetal tissue was obtained from cultures reproduced from a single termination. "To be clear, our products do not directly use the originally donated tissue in any way. We only use proteins derived from cultured skin cells (grown from a dedicated cell bank). These were not embryonic stem cells. No other donation will ever be necessary. In fact, this cell bank enables the production of some 900 million biological bandages for patients suffering from severe wounds, burns and other serious skin conditions." I have no idea how they keep producing cells off a single sample obtained years ago, but it is clear they are not customers of any dead-baby industry. That said, I fear just such a thing is just over the immediate horizon no matter how 'ethical' the claims. "Our belief is the extremely limited use of fetal skin tissue, obtained with the consent of parents, ethics committees and others in a well-monitored and respectful manner can be used for significant medical benefit." I wonder just how 'limited' and 'respectful' they intend to be when there is an open market for murdered children... -Eddy Fred A. Miller wrote: > "A company well-named Neocutis now offers a skin cream made from human > fetal tissue. To quote the company's Web site: 'Inspired by fetal > skin's unique properties, Neocutis's proprietary technology uses > cultured fetal skin cells to obtain an optimal, naturally balanced > mixture of skin nutrients.' This outfit, it may not surprise Gentle > Reader to learn, is based in San Francisco, and says its product can > 'turn back time to create flawless baby-skin again.' What good news > for those suffering from dry skin -- and who doesn't this time of > year? ... But there's sure to be some reactionary who objects to > progress, and a niggling objection did indeed surface here and there > to this latest advance in the commodification of the unborn. In its > defense, Neocutis issued a statement to all concerned: 'Our view -- > which is shared by most medical professionals and patients -- is that > the limited, prudent and responsible use of donated fetal skin tissue > can continue to ease suffering, speed healing, save lives and improve > the well-being of many patients around the globe.' And improve the > company's balance sheet, too. Call it another benefit from the > ever-growing abortion industry. And another triumph of supply-side > economics! Create the supply and demand will follow. It does make one > wonder why, if the use of human fetuses for such purposes is so > unalloyed a good, the company feels the need to assure us that the > practice is 'limited, prudent and responsible.' Is that a faint echo > of some vestigial conscience?" --Arkansas Democrat-Gazette editor Paul > Greenberg > > > -- > SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance > and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal > sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > From fmiller at lightlink.com Tue Jan 26 00:29:14 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:29:14 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Open-PC: A Piece of Junk, or Got It Where It Counts? Message-ID: <4B5E7DAA.1090909@lightlink.com> Open-PC: A Piece of Junk, or Got It Where It Counts? ------------------------------------------------------------ It's a rare day indeed that doesn't see some new computer technology or other roll out of the starting gates, but when that technology is called the "Open-PC," Linux Girl can't help but sit up and pay attention. Sure enough, the Open-PC is billed as the first PC for everyday use "built by the Linux community for the Linux community," and it uses only free software. See the Full Story: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/69182.html -- SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Tue Jan 26 02:25:07 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:25:07 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] London stock exchange switches to Linux Message-ID: <4B5E98D3.5070109@lightlink.com> *IN THE CITY OF LONDON*, the financial heart of the UK, the London Stock Exchange (LSE) has begun a twelve-month migration to a Linux based trading system. By the end of the year it wants the Linux-based MillenniumIT trading platform up and running. The software was gained by acquiring the Sri Lankan company that developed it for ?18 million in September. When it is switched on it will replace the outgoing TradElect platform, which is based on Microsoft's .Net framework and was upgraded by Accenture only two years ago at a cost of ?40 million. The TradElect system has been an embarrassment to the LSE with a number of high profile outages. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588339/london-stock-exchange-switches-linux -- This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Tue Jan 26 03:45:02 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:45:02 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Neocutis In-Reply-To: <4B5E7CFF.2040905@lavabit.com> References: <4B5E7201.50003@lightlink.com> <4B5E7CFF.2040905@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4B5EAB8E.9020203@lightlink.com> On 01/26/2010 12:26 AM, Eddy Martin wrote: > While I disagree with the idea whole-heartedly, the website declares > that the fetal tissue was obtained from cultures reproduced from a > single termination. > > "To be clear, our products do not directly use the originally donated > tissue in any way. We only use proteins derived from cultured skin > cells (grown from a dedicated cell bank). These were not embryonic > stem cells. No other donation will ever be necessary. In fact, this > cell bank enables the production of some 900 million biological > bandages for patients suffering from severe wounds, burns and other > serious skin conditions." > > I have no idea how they keep producing cells off a single sample > obtained years ago, but it is clear they are not customers of any > dead-baby industry. > That said, I fear just such a thing is just over the immediate horizon > no matter how 'ethical' the claims. > > "Our belief is the extremely limited use of fetal skin tissue, > obtained with the consent of parents, ethics committees and others in > a well-monitored and respectful manner can be used for significant > medical benefit." > > I wonder just how 'limited' and 'respectful' they intend to be when > there is an open market for murdered children... And, that IS why I posted this in the first place. I see this as only the beginning - greed will take it from here. :( Fred -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams, 2nd US President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mohair at singingfalls.com Tue Jan 26 10:14:13 2010 From: mohair at singingfalls.com (singingfalls) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:14:13 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Neocutis In-Reply-To: <4B5EAB8E.9020203@lightlink.com> References: <4B5E7201.50003@lightlink.com> <4B5E7CFF.2040905@lavabit.com> <4B5EAB8E.9020203@lightlink.com> Message-ID: <4B5F06C5.3030208@singingfalls.com> God help us. Genetically modified stem cells from aborted babies, rubbed in to keep us "eternally youthful". Sounds like something out of a Nazi war camp experimental station. Fred A. Miller wrote: > On 01/26/2010 12:26 AM, Eddy Martin wrote: >> While I disagree with the idea whole-heartedly, the website declares >> that the fetal tissue was obtained from cultures reproduced from a >> single termination. >> >> "To be clear, our products do not directly use the originally donated >> tissue in any way. We only use proteins derived from cultured skin >> cells (grown from a dedicated cell bank). These were not embryonic >> stem cells. No other donation will ever be necessary. In fact, this >> cell bank enables the production of some 900 million biological >> bandages for patients suffering from severe wounds, burns and other >> serious skin conditions." >> >> I have no idea how they keep producing cells off a single sample >> obtained years ago, but it is clear they are not customers of any >> dead-baby industry. >> That said, I fear just such a thing is just over the immediate horizon >> no matter how 'ethical' the claims. >> >> "Our belief is the extremely limited use of fetal skin tissue, >> obtained with the consent of parents, ethics committees and others in >> a well-monitored and respectful manner can be used for significant >> medical benefit." >> >> I wonder just how 'limited' and 'respectful' they intend to be when >> there is an open market for murdered children... > > And, that IS why I posted this in the first place. I see this as only > the beginning - greed will take it from here. :( > > Fred > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians From htgage3 at chartermi.net Tue Jan 26 19:10:00 2010 From: htgage3 at chartermi.net (htgage3 at chartermi.net) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:10:00 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Neocutis In-Reply-To: <4B5E7CFF.2040905@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <20100126191000.61YDT.259611.root@mp07> There is no way that I agree with abortion. Sanger devised it as a way of controlling, and the obliteration of the Black and Mexican races. To be sure of what Eddy was saying that there is no way of producing that many/much? fetal tissue from one baby, please read Popular Science, Feb issue, page 81. There was a woman named Henrietta Lacks who died in/around 1952. The cultures from this lady who died from cervical cancer, donated some of those cancer cells and today "they outweigh 100 Empire State Buildings and could circle the equator three times." They are are in almost every lab in the world. They are known as the HeLa cells. So this is possible that they (Neocutis) could have to never have anymore of these baby cells. Just saying what I've read, and again, I do not advocate the killing of babies. I think that it is very wrong, and a sin against God in every way, shape, and form. Taz ---- Eddy Martin wrote: > While I disagree with the idea whole-heartedly, the website declares > that the fetal tissue was obtained from cultures reproduced from a > single termination. > > "To be clear, our products do not directly use the originally donated > tissue in any way. We only use proteins derived from cultured skin cells > (grown from a dedicated cell bank). These were not embryonic stem cells. > No other donation will ever be necessary. In fact, this cell bank > enables the production of some 900 million biological bandages for > patients suffering from severe wounds, burns and other serious skin > conditions." > > I have no idea how they keep producing cells off a single sample > obtained years ago, but it is clear they are not customers of any > dead-baby industry. > That said, I fear just such a thing is just over the immediate horizon > no matter how 'ethical' the claims. > > "Our belief is the extremely limited use of fetal skin tissue, obtained > with the consent of parents, ethics committees and others in a > well-monitored and respectful manner can be used for significant medical > benefit." > > I wonder just how 'limited' and 'respectful' they intend to be when > there is an open market for murdered children... > > -Eddy > > Fred A. Miller wrote: > > "A company well-named Neocutis now offers a skin cream made from human > > fetal tissue. To quote the company's Web site: 'Inspired by fetal > > skin's unique properties, Neocutis's proprietary technology uses > > cultured fetal skin cells to obtain an optimal, naturally balanced > > mixture of skin nutrients.' This outfit, it may not surprise Gentle > > Reader to learn, is based in San Francisco, and says its product can > > 'turn back time to create flawless baby-skin again.' What good news > > for those suffering from dry skin -- and who doesn't this time of > > year? ... But there's sure to be some reactionary who objects to > > progress, and a niggling objection did indeed surface here and there > > to this latest advance in the commodification of the unborn. In its > > defense, Neocutis issued a statement to all concerned: 'Our view -- > > which is shared by most medical professionals and patients -- is that > > the limited, prudent and responsible use of donated fetal skin tissue > > can continue to ease suffering, speed healing, save lives and improve > > the well-being of many patients around the globe.' And improve the > > company's balance sheet, too. Call it another benefit from the > > ever-growing abortion industry. And another triumph of supply-side > > economics! Create the supply and demand will follow. It does make one > > wonder why, if the use of human fetuses for such purposes is so > > unalloyed a good, the company feels the need to assure us that the > > practice is 'limited, prudent and responsible.' Is that a faint echo > > of some vestigial conscience?" --Arkansas Democrat-Gazette editor Paul > > Greenberg > > > > > > -- > > SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance > > and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal > > sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux4christians mailing list > > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Tue Jan 26 21:41:59 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:41:59 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 2, Luke 5:12-39 (Wednesday) Message-ID: <4B5FA7F7.3070306@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Tue Jan 26 22:30:27 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux Gains Ground, Windows Stumbles Message-ID: <4B5FB353.3080800@lightlink.com> Linux Gains Ground, Windows Stumbles ------------------------------------------------------------ Linux inched ahead in the operating-system arena during the final month of 2009, even as Windows and Mac gave up some ground. That's according to research firm Net Applications, which recently released its Market Share report covering operating systems in December. Linux accounted for 1.02 percent of the market in December, up from an even 1 percent the month before. See the Full Story: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/69193.html -- This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpp3 at lavabit.com Wed Jan 27 11:17:38 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:17:38 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Startpage Message-ID: <4B606722.1000701@lavabit.com> I don't know if any of you have come across this, but for those of us trying to get away from 'the Google', Startpage looks promising: http://www.startpage.com The service itself doesn't track you or your searches, and in a day or two, they are going to launch a proxy service where you can click a link normally or through the Startpage proxy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3SCbI5KFM I've gotten very good results searching with it and it is now my default search engine. BTW- It's endorsed by Katherine Albrecht (you might know her as 'the RFID lady') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_Cg4MxtCE -Eddy From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Wed Jan 27 11:33:44 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:33:44 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Startpage In-Reply-To: <4B606722.1000701@lavabit.com> References: <4B606722.1000701@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4B606AE8.1050002@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpp3 at lavabit.com Wed Jan 27 11:39:16 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:39:16 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Startpage In-Reply-To: <4B606AE8.1050002@bibleseven.com> References: <4B606722.1000701@lavabit.com> <4B606AE8.1050002@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <4B606C34.2060509@lavabit.com> Hmmm... Looks like Startpage is just another portal for ixquick. Thanks for the reference! -Eddy Pastor David wrote: > It sounds a lot like http://ixquick.com which I have been using with > great results > for a while. > > I will have a looksee ... > > Thanks! > > doc > > > I don't know if any of you have > come across this, but for those of us > > > trying to get away from 'the Google', Startpage looks promising: > > > http://www.startpage.com > > > > > > The service itself doesn't track you or your searches, and in a day > > > or two, they are going to launch a proxy service where you can > click > > > a link normally or through the Startpage proxy: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3SCbI5KFM > > > > > > I've gotten very good results searching with it and it is now my > > > default search engine. > > > > > > BTW- It's endorsed by Katherine Albrecht (you might know her as > 'the > > > RFID lady') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_Cg4MxtCE > > > > > > -Eddy > > > > -- > > "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 > Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist > http://bethelstatesboro.org > Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional > http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > From fmiller at lightlink.com Wed Jan 27 20:38:10 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:38:10 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Homeschoolers on run win U.S. asylum - AWESOME ruling!! Message-ID: <4B60EA82.7090507@lightlink.com> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123275 -- This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xe1ufo at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 21:30:15 2010 From: xe1ufo at gmail.com (Stephen Wilson) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:30:15 -0600 Subject: [Linux4christians] NEED AUTHORING SYSTEM FOR CD/DVD! Message-ID: Dear Brothers and Sisters: I am looking for a Linux program for our Bible institute where I can create a CD or DVD that you pop into any computer, and opens up a browser menu, from whence the user can select Audio MP3 teaching sessions and/or the accompanying PDF outline notes. I hope I make sense. The idea is one complete 20-30 hour Bible institute course (audios plus PDF's) per CD. I am running Ubuntu 9.10 on several machines. Thanks in advance! Blessings. Dr. Stephen Wilson San Juan del R?o, Quer?taro, Mexico -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Wed Jan 27 22:48:57 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:48:57 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] John 5 (Thursday) Message-ID: <4B610929.2010603@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpp3 at lavabit.com Thu Jan 28 13:28:43 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:28:43 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Startpage In-Reply-To: <4B606C34.2060509@lavabit.com> References: <4B606722.1000701@lavabit.com> <4B606AE8.1050002@bibleseven.com> <4B606C34.2060509@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4B61D75B.7050808@lavabit.com> Looks like the proxy is up. Hasn't made too many waves in the news yet. Either way, I think it's a wonderful service, I wonder how long it'll stick around... -Eddy Eddy Martin wrote: > Hmmm... > Looks like Startpage is just another portal for ixquick. > Thanks for the reference! > > -Eddy > > Pastor David wrote: >> It sounds a lot like http://ixquick.com which I have been using with >> great results >> for a while. >> >> I will have a looksee ... >> >> Thanks! >> >> doc >> >> > I don't know if any of you have >> come across this, but for those of us >> >> > trying to get away from 'the Google', Startpage looks promising: >> >> > http://www.startpage.com >> >> > >> >> > The service itself doesn't track you or your searches, and in a day >> >> > or two, they are going to launch a proxy service where you can >> click >> >> > a link normally or through the Startpage proxy: >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3SCbI5KFM >> >> > >> >> > I've gotten very good results searching with it and it is now my >> >> > default search engine. >> >> > >> >> > BTW- It's endorsed by Katherine Albrecht (you might know her as >> 'the >> >> > RFID lady') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_Cg4MxtCE >> >> > >> >> > -Eddy >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 >> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist >> http://bethelstatesboro.org >> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional >> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux4christians mailing list >> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Thu Jan 28 13:41:53 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:41:53 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Startpage In-Reply-To: <4B61D75B.7050808@lavabit.com> References: <4B606722.1000701@lavabit.com> <4B606AE8.1050002@bibleseven.com> <4B606C34.2060509@lavabit.com> <4B61D75B.7050808@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4B61DA71.3020003@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They suggested that I perform a "power reset" following the 5 steps below: 1) Disconnect the AC adapter from the laptop. 2) Remove the battery. 3) Press and hold the power button for about 30 seconds then release it. (You will not see anything happen) 4) Connect the AC Adapter to the laptop. Make sure the AC Adapter is plugged in. 5) Turn the computer on as normal. They also suggested a MS version of windows "restore" but since I am running Linux that is irrelevant. QUESTION: Will a "power reset", like the above, when run on a laptop harm data? Thanks! PD -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From fmiller at lightlink.com Thu Jan 28 19:23:11 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:23:11 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Killer way to slay the Google beast! Message-ID: <4B622A6F.9070402@lightlink.com> Who in the world knows as much about you and your private thoughts as Google? That's the question Katherine Albrecht , radio talk-show host and spokeswoman for Startpage , a search engine that protects user privacy, is posing to American Internet surfers. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123391 _____________ I have made StartPage my default and NO LONGER use Google. Fred -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams, 2nd US President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From htgage3 at chartermi.net Thu Jan 28 20:58:21 2010 From: htgage3 at chartermi.net (htgage3 at chartermi.net) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:58:21 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Will a "power reset" on a laptop harm data? In-Reply-To: <4B621AD0.1040401@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <20100128205821.10URJ.401318.root@mp17> No, it will not. We (wife and I) got the three for the bundle price from best buy last fall, and have been having a terrible time with this laptop. It won't boot up at times either with or without AC or battery. Two nights ago I had to do another 'hard reset' (like you described what they told you to do) and after everything was up and running, I popped the battery back in, and lo and behold! it claimed that the battery wasn't in place! Well, long story short, it is going back to the repair shop AGAIN! Sorry for shouting, it is very frustrating. But info killing, no it will not hurt in anyway shape or form. ---- Pastor David wrote: > I am having a seemingly random problem with my Acer Aspire 5535 > laptop freezing - the display goes white, sometimes blue, sometimes > vertical lines - and the keyboard and mouse are unresponsive. It > requires a cool restart. > > They suggested that I perform a "power reset" following the 5 steps > below: > > 1) Disconnect the AC adapter from the laptop. > 2) Remove the battery. > 3) Press and hold the power button for about 30 seconds then release it. (You will not see anything happen) > 4) Connect the AC Adapter to the laptop. Make sure the AC Adapter is plugged in. > 5) Turn the computer on as normal. > > They also suggested a MS version of windows "restore" but since I am running Linux that is irrelevant. > > QUESTION: Will a "power reset", like the above, when run on a laptop harm data? > > Thanks! > > PD > > > -- > > "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 > Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist > http://bethelstatesboro.org > Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional > http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Thu Jan 28 21:07:28 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:07:28 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Will a "power reset" on a laptop harm data? In-Reply-To: <20100128205821.10URJ.401318.root@mp17> References: <20100128205821.10URJ.401318.root@mp17> Message-ID: <4B6242E0.8020907@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpp3 at lavabit.com Thu Jan 28 21:21:28 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:21:28 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Will a "power reset" on a laptop harm data? In-Reply-To: <4B6242E0.8020907@bibleseven.com> References: <20100128205821.10URJ.401318.root@mp17> <4B6242E0.8020907@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <4B624628.8070605@lavabit.com> Sounds like a faulty product if all three are having problems. I'd find out if the warranty is still good and look up your options for exchange or upgrade. Speaking of warranties, it's standard policy with any electronic gadget for the warranty to be voided when you pop it open, so I wouldn't risk it. Either way, a few months worth of dust shouldn't cause such problems this early. -Eddy Pastor David wrote: > It sounds as though there is either a hardware or BIOS problem. > > Perhaps I will reboot and look at the BIOS settings - maybe the > power management is set to something weird. > > Also, I observed that the resolution has to be set one level higher > than I want, e.g. 1440 if I want to get 1368 (or something like that) - > although I don't know if Puppy is misreading the ACER or if the ACER > is not responding correctly to the Puppy resolution instructions. > > BTW: For the first time the ACER completely rebooted itself instead > of freezing-up - happened about an hour ago - very weird. > > I wonder if it could be conductive dust getting into it somewhere? > > Will I void the warranty if I open it up and clean it out inside? > (Pressurized air in a can and wipe-down with an "electronic > cleaning wipe)? > > > htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote: > > No, it will not. We (wife and I) > got the three for the bundle price > > > from best buy last fall, and have been having a terrible time with > > > this laptop. It won't boot up at times either with or without AC or > > > battery. Two nights ago I had to do another 'hard reset' (like you > > > described what they told you to do) and after everything was up and > > > running, I popped the battery back in, and lo and behold! it > claimed > > > that the battery wasn't in place! Well, long story short, it is > going > > > back to the repair shop AGAIN! Sorry for shouting, it is very > > > frustrating. But info killing, no it will not hurt in anyway shape > or > > > form. > > -- > > "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 > Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist > http://bethelstatesboro.org > Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional > http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > From hpp3 at lavabit.com Thu Jan 28 21:23:54 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:23:54 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Killer way to slay the Google beast! In-Reply-To: <4B622A6F.9070402@lightlink.com> References: <4B622A6F.9070402@lightlink.com> Message-ID: <4B6246BA.90602@lavabit.com> Fred A. Miller wrote: > > Who in the world knows as much about you and your private thoughts as > Google? > > That's the question Katherine Albrecht > , radio talk-show host and > spokeswoman for Startpage , a search engine > that protects user privacy, is posing to American Internet surfers. > > http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123391 > _____________ > > I have made StartPage my default and NO LONGER use Google. > > Fred > -- > "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious > people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any > other." John Adams, 2nd US President > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > I have also replaced my Google habits with Startpage. Good stuff. From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Thu Jan 28 21:25:08 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:25:08 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Will a "power reset" on a laptop harm data? In-Reply-To: <4B624628.8070605@lavabit.com> References: <20100128205821.10URJ.401318.root@mp17> <4B6242E0.8020907@bibleseven.com> <4B624628.8070605@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <4B624704.2010302@bibleseven.com> I'll try the power reset then see about a return if it keeps up. This means I may have to make some room on the bench to repair our daughter's laptop with the bad power connector - so that I may retrieve my spare laptop from her! Sigh ... > Sounds like a faulty product if all three are having problems. > I'd find out if the warranty is still good and look up your options > for exchange or upgrade. > Speaking of warranties, it's standard policy with any electronic > gadget for the warranty to be voided when you pop it open, so I > wouldn't risk it. > Either way, a few months worth of dust shouldn't cause such problems > this early. > > -Eddy > > Pastor David wrote: >> It sounds as though there is either a hardware or BIOS problem. >> >> Perhaps I will reboot and look at the BIOS settings - maybe the >> power management is set to something weird. >> >> Also, I observed that the resolution has to be set one level higher >> than I want, e.g. 1440 if I want to get 1368 (or something like that) - >> although I don't know if Puppy is misreading the ACER or if the ACER >> is not responding correctly to the Puppy resolution instructions. >> >> BTW: For the first time the ACER completely rebooted itself instead >> of freezing-up - happened about an hour ago - very weird. >> >> I wonder if it could be conductive dust getting into it somewhere? >> >> Will I void the warranty if I open it up and clean it out inside? >> (Pressurized air in a can and wipe-down with an "electronic >> cleaning wipe)? >> >> > htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote: >> > No, it will not. We (wife and I) >> got the three for the bundle price >> >> > from best buy last fall, and have been having a terrible time with >> >> > this laptop. It won't boot up at times either with or without AC or >> >> > battery. Two nights ago I had to do another 'hard reset' (like you >> >> > described what they told you to do) and after everything was up and >> >> > running, I popped the battery back in, and lo and behold! it >> claimed >> >> > that the battery wasn't in place! Well, long story short, it is >> going >> >> > back to the repair shop AGAIN! Sorry for shouting, it is very >> >> > frustrating. But info killing, no it will not hurt in anyway shape >> or >> >> > form. >> >> -- >> >> "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 >> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist >> http://bethelstatesboro.org >> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional >> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux4christians mailing list >> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > -- "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist http://bethelstatesboro.org Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hpp3 at lavabit.com Thu Jan 28 21:33:57 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:33:57 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Startpage In-Reply-To: <4B61DA71.3020003@bibleseven.com> References: <4B606722.1000701@lavabit.com> <4B606AE8.1050002@bibleseven.com> <4B606C34.2060509@lavabit.com> <4B61D75B.7050808@lavabit.com> <4B61DA71.3020003@bibleseven.com> Message-ID: <4B624915.60405@lavabit.com> Hehe, maybe so. I also found out you can do searches with encryption turned on by using the 'https' prefix. There's a trick Google and Yahoo won't do... -Eddy Pastor David wrote: > Perhaps they discovered that "Startpage" is more user-friendly > sounding than "ixquick"? > > > >> Looks like the proxy is up. >> Hasn't made too many waves in the news yet. >> Either way, I think it's a wonderful service, I wonder how long it'll >> stick around... >> >> -Eddy >> >> Eddy Martin wrote: >>> Hmmm... >>> Looks like Startpage is just another portal for ixquick. >>> Thanks for the reference! >>> >>> -Eddy >>> >>> Pastor David wrote: >>>> It sounds a lot like http://ixquick.com which I have been using >>>> with great results >>>> for a while. >>>> >>>> I will have a looksee ... >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> doc >>>> >>>> > I don't know if any of you have >>>> come across this, but for those of us >>>> >>>> > trying to get away from 'the Google', Startpage looks promising: >>>> >>>> > http://www.startpage.com >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > The service itself doesn't track you or your searches, and in a day >>>> >>>> > or two, they are going to launch a proxy service where you can >>>> click >>>> >>>> > a link normally or through the Startpage proxy: >>>> >>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3SCbI5KFM >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I've gotten very good results searching with it and it is now my >>>> >>>> > default search engine. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > BTW- It's endorsed by Katherine Albrecht (you might know her as >>>> 'the >>>> >>>> > RFID lady') http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_Cg4MxtCE >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > -Eddy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 >>>> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist >>>> http://bethelstatesboro.org >>>> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional >>>> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Linux4christians mailing list >>>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net >>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Linux4christians mailing list >>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net >>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Linux4christians mailing list >> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net >> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians >> > > -- > > "Learning to love like Jesus." Eph. 4:2 > Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! Pastor David > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist > http://bethelstatesboro.org > Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional > http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians > From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org Fri Jan 29 12:58:20 2010 From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (webservant) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:58:20 -0700 Subject: [Linux4christians] Two heads are better than one? Message-ID: <20100129173133.M98533@trinitybclaramie.org> Howdy! I wonder if somebody experienced with overhead projectors can help me out here... The old XP box they used in the sound booth to record sermons and project announcements crashed last month. I managed to recover it, but it got me seriously thinking about switching to Linux -- I can use OpenOffice to present the announcements and log attendance, Audacity to record sermons... it has win written all over it. The only thing I don't know how to do is tell Impress to send slide shows to the second monitor, or mplayer to do the same with DVDs and other video clips. We have an nvidia card with two monitor plugs, so the local monitor is in one and the other leads to our overhead projector. With XP, I can specifically tell PowerPoint to play on Monitor #2, or drag Media Player's output window over to the second monitor. With linux... I am totally lost and I can't find any documentation. Any suggestions? Also, our trial license for EasyWorship (to display song lyrics) has expired, and I need to find a replacement for that; I'd appreciate any suggestions for Linux or Winduhs. Peter B. Steiger Webservant, Trinity Baptist Church Laramie, WY From hpp3 at lavabit.com Fri Jan 29 13:43:24 2010 From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:43:24 -0800 Subject: [Linux4christians] Two heads are better than one? In-Reply-To: <20100129173133.M98533@trinitybclaramie.org> References: <20100129173133.M98533@trinitybclaramie.org> Message-ID: <4B632C4C.2060805@lavabit.com> webservant wrote: > Howdy! I wonder if somebody experienced with overhead projectors can help me > out here... > > The old XP box they used in the sound booth to record sermons and project > announcements crashed last month. I managed to recover it, but it got me > seriously thinking about switching to Linux -- I can use OpenOffice to present > the announcements and log attendance, Audacity to record sermons... it has win > written all over it. > > The only thing I don't know how to do is tell Impress to send slide shows to > the second monitor, or mplayer to do the same with DVDs and other video clips. > We have an nvidia card with two monitor plugs, so the local monitor is in one > and the other leads to our overhead projector. With XP, I can specifically > tell PowerPoint to play on Monitor #2, or drag Media Player's output window > over to the second monitor. With linux... I am totally lost and I can't find > any documentation. > > Any suggestions? Also, our trial license for EasyWorship (to display song > lyrics) has expired, and I need to find a replacement for that; I'd appreciate > any suggestions for Linux or Winduhs. > > Peter B. Steiger > Webservant, Trinity Baptist Church > Laramie, WY > > _______________________________________________ > Linux4christians mailing list > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christian > Folks on this list have experience with quite a few of these, namely: Lyricue http://www.lyricue.org OpenLP http://www.openlp.org and OpenSong htttp://opensong.org so you should have no trouble finding help with them. A cursory websearch turned up some newcomers I've not heard of, and all Open Source as well: Datasoul. (Windows version available) http://datasoul.sourceforge.net Kworship (still alpha and unstable...) http://kworship.org Powersong (focusing on usability) http://www.powersong.org/ ZionWorx http://www.zionworx.org.uk/ Looks like lots of stuff to play with, I'm sure you'll find something that will fit the bill. -Eddy From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net Fri Jan 29 17:32:08 2010 From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:32:08 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Two heads are better than one? In-Reply-To: <20100129173133.M98533@trinitybclaramie.org> References: <20100129173133.M98533@trinitybclaramie.org> Message-ID: <1264804328.21161.4.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA> On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 10:58 -0700, webservant wrote: > Howdy! I wonder if somebody experienced with overhead projectors can help me > out here... > > The old XP box they used in the sound booth to record sermons and project > announcements crashed last month. I managed to recover it, but it got me > seriously thinking about switching to Linux -- I can use OpenOffice to present > the announcements and log attendance, Audacity to record sermons... it has win > written all over it. > > The only thing I don't know how to do is tell Impress to send slide shows to > the second monitor, or mplayer to do the same with DVDs and other video clips. > We have an nvidia card with two monitor plugs, so the local monitor is in one > and the other leads to our overhead projector. With XP, I can specifically > tell PowerPoint to play on Monitor #2, or drag Media Player's output window > over to the second monitor. With linux... I am totally lost and I can't find > any documentation. > > Any suggestions? Also, our trial license for EasyWorship (to display song > lyrics) has expired, and I need to find a replacement for that; I'd appreciate > any suggestions for Linux or Winduhs. Lyricue perhaps? From pastordavid at bibleseven.com Fri Jan 29 19:45:08 2010 From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 6:17-49 (Saturday) Message-ID: <4B638114.8060006@bibleseven.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za Sat Jan 30 03:26:18 2010 From: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za (Raoul Snyman) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:26:18 +0200 Subject: [Linux4christians] Two heads are better than one? In-Reply-To: <4B632C4C.2060805@lavabit.com> References: <20100129173133.M98533@trinitybclaramie.org> <4B632C4C.2060805@lavabit.com> Message-ID: <201001301026.18553.raoul.snyman@saturnlaboratories.co.za> On Friday 29 January 2010 20:43:24 Eddy Martin wrote: > OpenLP > http://www.openlp.org Currently the stable version is Windows-only, but according to reports from users, runs fine under WINE when dual screens are set up using Xinerama. I'm not sure if nVidia's TwinView works in WINE (perhaps I should try it out sometime, now that I have a dual-output screen card). Still under development is version 2 which runs on Linux/Windows/Mac OS X/FreeBSD, and anything else capable of running Python and Qt4. We're hoping to get an initial development release out ReallySoonNow(tm). -- Raoul Snyman, B.Tech IT (Software Engineering) Saturn Laboratories m: 082 550 3754 e: raoul.snyman at saturnlaboratories.co.za w: www.saturnlaboratories.co.za b: blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za From fmiller at lightlink.com Sat Jan 30 15:35:09 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] =?iso-8859-1?q?The_American_Vision_=BB_A_Brief?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Response_to_a_Critic_of_=22Is_Jesus_Coming_Soon=3F=22?= Message-ID: <4B6497FD.5060702@lightlink.com> EXCELLENT! Fred http://www.americanvision.org/article/a-brief-response-to-a-critic-of-is-jesus-coming-soon/ -- This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Sat Jan 30 16:03:08 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:03:08 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Can I be a Libertarian Without Christ? Once again, EXCELLENT! Message-ID: <4B649E8C.8070702@lightlink.com> There was the solution to my problem! I was blind to search for an impersonal Truth, an inexorable, merciless entity that holds the universe in an iron grip. And I was blind to search for Freedom that was focused on myself so much that would make the rest of the world irrelevant---and make /me/ irrelevant in the process. Truth was possible to know only if it was itself a Person; and Freedom was possible to have only if it was itself a Person. That Person couldn't be a mere man---or I would be in slavery. He must be a god, or rather, God, the Creator of the Universe. And if the Bible was true, then my problems had one reason: I was a stranger to God, and thus I was a stranger to Freedom, Ethics, and Justice. I had to come back to Him, through the redemption He provided in Jesus Christ. Only then I had . . . /everything/. http://www.americanvision.org/article/can-i-be-a-libertarian-without-christ/ -- This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Sun Jan 31 12:24:08 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:24:08 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Worth the listen! Message-ID: <4B65BCB8.80901@lightlink.com> If you didn't before now know that Unitarians aren't Christians, and that the Unitarian "church" is in reality nothing more than just a leftist social order, you will after listening to this. Further, the proof is brought out by an unlikely source, an atheist author. Fred http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/arts-and-entertainment/category/books-and-talks/articles/christopher-hitchens/1/ -- This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wa3fkg at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 13:00:48 2010 From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:00:48 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Speaking of listening Message-ID: If you would like to listen to some intelligent talk radio that explores Christian issues and values you should point your browser to the following URL. http://issuesetc.org/ Pastor Tod Wilken and company do a daily radio show that I have found to be interesting and though provoking to say the least. Also "worth a listen". Enjoy! -- Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com John 3:16 Please address all complaints to /dev/null The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux! Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fmiller at lightlink.com Sun Jan 31 13:07:39 2010 From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:07:39 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Speaking of listening In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B65C6EB.8020807@lightlink.com> On 01/31/2010 01:00 PM, Ken Sprouse wrote: > If you would like to listen to some intelligent talk radio that > explores Christian issues and values you should point your browser to > the following URL. > > http://issuesetc.org/ > > Pastor Tod Wilken and company do a daily radio show that I have found > to be interesting and though provoking to say the least. Also "worth > a listen". Enjoy! > Thanks.....I'll try to do that. Fred -- This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wa3fkg at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 13:33:39 2010 From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:33:39 -0500 Subject: [Linux4christians] Speaking of listening In-Reply-To: <4B65C6EB.8020807@lightlink.com> References: <4B65C6EB.8020807@lightlink.com> Message-ID: I should have also mentioned that the show is archived on the site and can be listened to anytime as a podcast. Just select the "Listen On Demand" link on the main page to hear and or download current shows or past shows from years gone by. Here is one show that I have actually downloaded and put on audio CD that I give to friends and family from Christmas Eve of 2008 about the first Christmas. I think it is important that as Christians we help non believers understand the Gospels in the context of the times they were written in and I consider this a prime example. I am currently reading the book that spawned the interview and finding it interesting. http://www.issuesetc.org/podcast/128122408H2.mp3 On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote: > On 01/31/2010 01:00 PM, Ken Sprouse wrote: > > If you would like to listen to some intelligent talk radio that explores > Christian issues and values you should point your browser to the > following URL. > > http://issuesetc.org/ > > Pastor Tod Wilken and company do a daily radio show that I have found to > be interesting and though provoking to say the least. Also "worth a > listen". Enjoy! > > Thanks.....I'll try to do that. > > Fred > > -- > This all leads to my belief that I?ve been wrongly defining > liberalism for years. 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