From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 11:27:51 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:27:51 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
Message-ID: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>

It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
Anybody doing e-filing this year?
What is your experience doing it with Linux?
Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial software 
with Wine?

I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it 
worked.
I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not supported.
It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
others' experience.

-Eddy


From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Mon Feb  1 11:33:24 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>

Eddy Martin wrote:
> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial software 
> with Wine?
> 
> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it 
> worked.
> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not supported.
> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
> others' experience.
> 
> -Eddy

Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my mac, 
however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?

From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 11:35:00 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:35:00 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <c6cfdfaa1002010835p3b836294x6c8f11aa29d999af@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder what would happen if you loaded IE8 under Wine?  It might just be
that it is looking at what browser you are running and telling you that your
operating system is not supported.  After all how many are there?  I'll bet
the support Mac which is in reality just Free BSD.  That leaves Linux since
I doubt there are not many home computer users out there using Unix.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Eddy Martin <hpp3 at lavabit.com> wrote:

> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial software
> with Wine?
>
> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it
> worked.
> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not supported.
> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear others'
> experience.
>
> -Eddy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
John 3:16
Please address all complaints to /dev/null
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Mon Feb  1 11:39:55 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:39:55 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com> <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>

l4c wrote:
> Eddy Martin wrote:
>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial 
>> software with Wine?
>>
>> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it 
>> worked.
>> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not 
>> supported.
>> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
>> others' experience.
>>
>> -Eddy
> 
> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my mac, 
> however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
> _______________________________________________

Addendum.  I just logged into http://taxact.com, which is getting a LOT 
of airplay on the radio for having a FREE federal return, and it lets me 
log right in and start things up under Linux/Chrome without complaining 
a bit.

From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 11:42:57 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:42:57 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com> <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B670491.6050806@lavabit.com>

l4c wrote:
> Eddy Martin wrote:
>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial 
>> software with Wine?
>>
>> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but 
>> it worked.
>> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not 
>> supported.
>> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
>> others' experience.
>>
>> -Eddy
>
> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my 
> mac, however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
 >"Please make sure your computer meets the
 >TurboTax Online system requirements.
 >
 >To ensure you have the best possible experience
 >using TurboTax Online, we recommend that your
 >computer meet the following system requirements.
 >
 >If you continue without upgrading, we may not be
 >able to assist you with any issues you might encounter."

Hehe, they said "upgrade"...
:D

I just went to Turbotax's site and it's letting me through, but it's all 
in Flash.
So make sure you've got a working Flashplayer before going that route.

-Eddy


    How to Enable JavaScript:


      Windows


        AOL

   1. Go to the *Tools* menu and click *Settings*.



   2. Click the *Internet Options* button.



   3. Click the *Security* tab.



   4. Under *Zone*, click *Internet* zone.



   5. Click *Custom Level*.



   6. Scroll down to the *Scripting* settings.



   7. Under *Active Scripting*, select *Enable*.



   8. Click *OK*.



        Firefox

   1. Go to the *Tools* menu and click *Options*.



   2. Click the *Content* tab.



   3. Select *Enable JavaScript*.



   4. Click *OK*.



        Internet Explorer 6.x or higher

   1. Go to the *Tools* menu and click *Internet Options*.



   2. Click the *Security* tab.



   3. Under *Zone*, click *Internet* zone.



   4. Click *Custom Level*.



   5. Scroll down to the *Scripting* settings.



   6. Under *Active Scripting*, select *Enable*.



   7. Click *OK*.



      Mac OS X


        Firefox

   1. Go to the *Firefox* menu and click *Preferences*.



   2. Click the *Content* tab.



   3. Select *Enable JavaScript*.



        Safari

   1. Go to the *Safari* menu and click *Preferences*.



   2. Click the *Security* tab.



   3. Under *Web Content*, select *Enable JavaScript*.



    Minimum System Requirements:



From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 11:49:04 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:49:04 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B670491.6050806@lavabit.com>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com> <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
	<4B670491.6050806@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4B670600.7030601@lavabit.com>

GAAAHHH!!

That'll teach me to just cut-n-paste from a website...

Please ignore the javascript instructions at the end of that last email.

-Eddy


From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 11:51:40 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:51:40 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <c6cfdfaa1002010835p3b836294x6c8f11aa29d999af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
	<c6cfdfaa1002010835p3b836294x6c8f11aa29d999af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B67069C.4090104@lavabit.com>

Ken Sprouse wrote:
> I wonder what would happen if you loaded IE8 under Wine?  It might 
> just be that it is looking at what browser you are running and telling 
> you that your operating system is not supported.  After all how many 
> are there?  I'll bet the support Mac which is in reality just Free 
> BSD.  That leaves Linux since I doubt there are not many home computer 
> users out there using Unix.  
>
That's assuming you can get IE8 running under Wine.
Last time I looked up doing such a thing, it was quite a headache.
Yes, they all support Mac.
Linux is still seen as a 'Wild Card' OS and they just don't want to put 
in the exra effort to support it.
-Eddy


From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 11:55:39 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:55:39 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com> <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
	<4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B67078B.8040103@lavabit.com>

l4c wrote:
> l4c wrote:
>> Eddy Martin wrote:
>>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>>> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial 
>>> software with Wine?
>>>
>>> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but 
>>> it worked.
>>> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not 
>>> supported.
>>> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
>>> others' experience.
>>>
>>> -Eddy
>>
>> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my 
>> mac, however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
>> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Addendum.  I just logged into http://taxact.com, which is getting a 
> LOT of airplay on the radio for having a FREE federal return, and it 
> lets me log right in and start things up under Linux/Chrome without 
> complaining a bit.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
Nice catch!!
I'd heard of these guys before, and if I recall correctly, the software 
they offer works well under Wine.
I think I'll try there if H&R Block doesn't cut it.

-Eddy


From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 11:58:50 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:58:50 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4B67084A.7030105@lavabit.com>

Eddy Martin wrote:
> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial 
> software with Wine?
>
> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it 
> worked.
> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not 
> supported.
> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
> others' experience.
>
> -Eddy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
Hey now, this is interesting...
http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/

"OpenTaxSolver (OTS) is a free program for calculating Tax Form entries 
and tax-owed or refund-due, such as Federal or State personal income 
taxes.   The complete version of OTS for the 2009 tax year has been 
released. It contains the updated US 1040 with Schedules A, B, C, and D. 
It also contains the State Tax form updates for California, New York, 
Pennsylvania, New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts, Ohio, and 
Virgina. "

Last updated January 31, 2010... Nice.

-Eddy


From jared.bernard at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 12:02:21 2010
From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:02:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com> <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
	<4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4b670bee.0baa660a.4caa.fffff250@mx.google.com>

> l4c wrote:
>> Eddy Martin wrote:
>>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>>> 
>>> -Eddy
>> 
>> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my mac, 
>> however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
>> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Addendum.  I just logged into http://taxact.com, which is getting a LOT of 
> airplay on the radio for having a FREE federal return, and it lets me log 
> right in and start things up under Linux/Chrome without complaining a bit.
> _______________________________________________

I'll second Taxact. I've used it on Linux for the last 4 years without any
issues.


Jared Bernard
"Don't Fear the Penguin!"


http://bernard-fam.blogspot.com - Personal Family Blog
http://mostlycli.blogspot.com - Linux Blog
http://www.jaredandcoralee.com/CLIapps.html - Command Linux Applications

>

From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 12:26:22 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:26:22 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4b670bee.0baa660a.4caa.fffff250@mx.google.com>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
	<4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>	<4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>
	<4b670bee.0baa660a.4caa.fffff250@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4B670EBE.5080907@lavabit.com>

Jared Bernard wrote:
>> l4c wrote:
>>> Eddy Martin wrote:
>>>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>>>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>>>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>>>>
>>>> -Eddy
>>>
>>> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my 
>>> mac, however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
>>> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> Addendum.  I just logged into http://taxact.com, which is getting a 
>> LOT of airplay on the radio for having a FREE federal return, and it 
>> lets me log right in and start things up under Linux/Chrome without 
>> complaining a bit.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> I'll second Taxact. I've used it on Linux for the last 4 years without 
> any
> issues.
>
>
> Jared Bernard
> "Don't Fear the Penguin!"
>
>
> http://bernard-fam.blogspot.com - Personal Family Blog
> http://mostlycli.blogspot.com - Linux Blog
> http://www.jaredandcoralee.com/CLIapps.html - Command Linux Applications
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
I just tried TaxAct.
It imported the info from last years PDF form... VERY nice.

I think I might stick with this one.

-Eddy




From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Feb  1 16:52:31 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 5:21-48 (Tuesday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
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From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Mon Feb  1 18:58:52 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:58:52 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com>
	<4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net> <4B6703DB.5050202@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <1265068732.28932.0.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>

On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 11:39 -0500, l4c wrote:
> l4c wrote:
> > Eddy Martin wrote:
> >> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
> >> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
> >> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
> >> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial 
> >> software with Wine?
> >>
> >> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it 
> >> worked.
> >> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not 
> >> supported.
> >> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
> >> others' experience.
> >>
> >> -Eddy
> > 
> > Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my mac, 
> > however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
> > Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> Addendum.  I just logged into http://taxact.com, which is getting a LOT 
> of airplay on the radio for having a FREE federal return, and it lets me 
> log right in and start things up under Linux/Chrome without complaining 
> a bit.

  My one qualm about these services is where does my data reside, on my
system only or on their servers?


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Feb  1 19:05:33 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:05:33 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <1265068732.28932.0.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Feb  1 19:09:10 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:09:10 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] DENMARK DITCHES MICROSOFT
Message-ID: <4B676D26.8000108@lightlink.com>

/"Hello, open free standards -- and goodbye Microsoft monopoly."/

http://freeform101.org/?p=495

-- 
This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining 
liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal 
is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free 
from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams

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From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Mon Feb  1 19:20:57 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B676C4D.7040602@bibleseven.com>
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On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 19:05 -0500, Pastor David wrote:
> I had the same qualms about their online version - I am guessing that
> the download version saves things locally.
> 
> Question:  When you submit your results to the IRS electronically, do
> they go direct or first to the taxact.com and then to the IRS?

  I've been using Intuit's QuickTAX in Windows, I have seen the Canadian
version of Taxact but never purchased one.  I've been kicking around the
idea of picking up the H&R-Block and trying to install it under wine.

> > Mike McMullin wrote: My one qualm about these services is where does
> > my data reside, on my system only or on their servers?
> > 



From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Feb  1 19:32:30 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:32:30 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Feb  1 22:48:51 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:48:51 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B676C4D.7040602@bibleseven.com>
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On 02/01/2010 07:05 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> I had the same qualms about their online version - I am guessing that
> the download version saves things locally.
>
> Question:  When you submit your results to the IRS electronically, do they
> go direct or first to the taxact.com and then to the IRS?

'Computed at taxact then the finished forms are sent to the IRS, or so
I've been told by THEM.

Fred

-- 
This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining 
liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal 
is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free 
from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Feb  1 22:50:24 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:50:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
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On 02/01/2010 06:58 PM, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 11:39 -0500, l4c wrote:
>   
>> l4c wrote:
>>     
>>> Eddy Martin wrote:
>>>       
>>>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>>>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>>>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>>>> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial 
>>>> software with Wine?
>>>>
>>>> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it 
>>>> worked.
>>>> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not 
>>>> supported.
>>>> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
>>>> others' experience.
>>>>
>>>> -Eddy
>>>>         
>>> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my mac, 
>>> however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
>>> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>       
>> Addendum.  I just logged into http://taxact.com, which is getting a LOT 
>> of airplay on the radio for having a FREE federal return, and it lets me 
>> log right in and start things up under Linux/Chrome without complaining 
>> a bit.
>>     
>   My one qualm about these services is where does my data reside, on my
> system only or on their servers?
>
>   

At least one of the services allows you to choose if you want them to
keep the
current years data. I don't remember which one does.

Fred

-- 
This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining 
liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal 
is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free 
from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Feb  1 23:38:35 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:38:35 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
In-Reply-To: <4B674E07.5040800@bibleseven.com>
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On 02/01/2010 04:56 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> So while it would fill the need for USA Federal taxes it would not
> help us with Georgia?
>
> Have you heard if they plan to expand the number of States that they
> support?
>
>
> > Hey now, this is interesting...
> http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > "OpenTaxSolver (OTS) is a free program for calculating Tax Form
>
> > entries and tax-owed or refund-due, such as Federal or State
> personal
>
> > income taxes.   The complete version of OTS for the 2009 tax year
> has
>
> > been released. It contains the updated US 1040 with Schedules A, B,
>
> > C, and D. It also contains the State Tax form updates for
> California,
>
> > New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts,
>
> > Ohio, and Virgina. "
>
> >
>
> > Last updated January 31, 2010... Nice.
>

It's fine as long as you know all the tax laws, I don't. Also, the GUI
is very "rough". All you younger people might be able to get by with it,
but it's hard on my old eyes.

Fred

-- 
This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining 
liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal 
is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free 
from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams

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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Mon Feb  1 23:58:35 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:58:35 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On 02/01/2010 06:58 PM, Mike McMullin wrote:
>> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 11:39 -0500, l4c wrote:
>>   
>>> l4c wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Eddy Martin wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>>>>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>>>>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>>>>> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial 
>>>>> software with Wine?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but it 
>>>>> worked.
>>>>> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not 
>>>>> supported.
>>>>> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear 
>>>>> others' experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Eddy
>>>>>         
>>>> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my mac, 
>>>> however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with 
>>>> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>       
>>> Addendum.  I just logged into http://taxact.com, which is getting a LOT 
>>> of airplay on the radio for having a FREE federal return, and it lets me 
>>> log right in and start things up under Linux/Chrome without complaining 
>>> a bit.
>>>     
>>   My one qualm about these services is where does my data reside, on my
>> system only or on their servers?
>>
>>   
>
> At least one of the services allows you to choose if you want them to 
> keep the
> current years data. I don't remember which one does.
>
> Fred
> -- 
>   
Most of the online services (as is my experience with H&R Block) keep 
*at least* last years tax info so they can hope to have you return and 
be able to re-use last years info as a bonus.
TaxAct apparently does the same, although they do offer a service that 
lets you keep tax data for up to 3 years IIRC.
I didn't purchase any of their extra services, so I can't report on those.

Their privacy policy appeared to be as standard as you can imagine for 
such a site.
They only keep your email to contact you for services you request, 
3rd-party services are opt-in only, etc.

I imagine if they were of the less scrupulous types, you'd probably have 
heard by now, as they've been in business since 1998 and were the first 
(in 2005) to offer free e-filing for anybody, regardless of income or 
type of return.

Here's their privacy policy:
http://www.taxact.com/privacy_policy.asp
and a brief but informative Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TaxACT

-Eddy


From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Tue Feb  2 00:06:00 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:06:00 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On 02/01/2010 04:56 PM, Pastor David wrote:
>> So while it would fill the need for USA Federal taxes it would not 
>> help us with Georgia?
>>
>> Have you heard if they plan to expand the number of States that they 
>> support?
>>
>>
>> > Hey now, this is interesting...
>>
>> http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> > "OpenTaxSolver (OTS) is a free program for calculating Tax Form
>>
>>
>>
>> > entries and tax-owed or refund-due, such as Federal or State
>>
>> personal
>>
>>
>>
>> > income taxes.   The complete version of OTS for the 2009 tax year
>>
>> has
>>
>>
>>
>> > been released. It contains the updated US 1040 with Schedules A, B,
>>
>>
>>
>> > C, and D. It also contains the State Tax form updates for
>>
>> California,
>>
>>
>>
>> > New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, North Carolina, Massachusetts,
>>
>>
>>
>> > Ohio, and Virgina. "
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> > Last updated January 31, 2010... Nice.
>>
>>
>
> It's fine as long as you know all the tax laws, I don't. Also, the GUI 
> is very "rough". All you younger people might be able to get by with 
> it, but it's hard on my old eyes.
>
> Fred
>
Yeah, that good ol' OTK interface...
Ranks up there with TCL and CDE interfaces in a GUI beauty contest.
:-(

-Eddy




From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Feb  2 01:29:07 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:29:07 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Tax time!!
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References: <4B670107.7090500@lavabit.com> <4B670254.8000509@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B67C633.2010400@lightlink.com>

On 02/01/2010 11:33 AM, l4c wrote:
> Eddy Martin wrote:
>> It's "Render Unto Caesar" time here in the USA.
>> Anybody doing e-filing this year?
>> What is your experience doing it with Linux?
>> Do you have a favorite on-line portal or do you run commercial
>> software with Wine?
>>
>> I did through H&R Block last year and the experience was bumpy, but
>> it worked.
>> I'm trying it again, and it says (surprise!!) that my OS is not
>> supported.
>> It lets me continue anyways, so I'm optimistic but I'd like to hear
>> others' experience.
>>
>> -Eddy
>
> Actually, I e-filed last year with turbotax.com.  I did do it on my
> mac, however, I cannot recall any reason why it would not work with
> Linux/Firefox though.  Anyone else?

I used it several yrs. ago.....works fine on the Net.

Fred

-- 
This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining 
liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal 
is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free 
from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Feb  2 15:47:38 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:47:38 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 6:1-24 (Wednesday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Feb  2 20:32:46 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:32:46 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Billy Graham's Suit
Message-ID: <4B68D23E.6010105@lightlink.com>



    *Billy Graham's Suit* 

         

Something heartwarming - nice to see this kind of mail  ! 

[]

Billy Graham is now 90 years old with Parkinson's disease.  In January
2000, leaders in Charlotte , North Carolina, invited their favorite son,
Billy Graham, to a luncheon in his honor.

Billy initially hesitated to accept the invitation because he struggles
with Parkinson's disease. But the Charlotte leaders said, 'We don't
expect a major address. Just come and let us honor you.' So he agreed. 

After wonderful things were said about him, Dr. Graham stepped to the
rostrum, looked at the crowd, and said, 'I'm reminded today of Albert
Einstein, the great physicist who  this month has been honored by Time
magazine as the  Man of the Century. Einstein was once traveling from
Princeton on a train when the conductor came down the  aisle, punching
the tickets of every passenger. When he  came to Einstein, Einstein
reached in his vest pocket. He  couldn't find his ticket, so he reached
in his trouser pockets.  It wasn't there, so he looked in his briefcase
but couldn't find it. Then he looked in the seat beside him. He still
couldn't find it.  

The conductor said, 'Dr. Einstein, I know who you are. We all know who
you are. I'm sure you bought a ticket. Don't worry about it.'  

Einstein nodded appreciatively. The conductor continued down the aisle
punching tickets. As he was ready to move to the next car, he turned
around and saw the great physicist down on his hands and knees looking
under his seat for his ticket. 

The conductor rushed back and said, 'Dr. Einstein, 
Dr. Einstein, don't worry, I know who you are No problem.  You don't
need a ticket.  I'm sure you bought one.'  Einstein looked at him and
said, 'Young man, I too, know who I am.  What I don't know is where I'm
going.''



Having said that Billy Graham continued, 'See the suit I'm wearing? It's
a brand new suit. My children, and my grandchildren are telling me I've
gotten a little slovenly in my old age. I used to be a bit more
fastidious. So I went out and bought a new suit for this luncheon and
one more occasion. 

You know what that occasion is? This is the suit in which  I'll be
buried. But when you hear I'm dead, I don't want you to immediately
remember the suit I'm wearing. I want you to remember this: 

I not only know who I am .. I also know where I'm going.'  *    *    

"Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point."

-- 
This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining 
liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal 
is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free 
from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Feb  2 20:40:28 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:40:28 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Did Eve Come First?
Message-ID: <4B68D40C.2040600@lightlink.com>

Did Eve Come First?



One day in the Garden of Eden, Eve calls out to God...
"Lord, I have a problem!"
"What's the problem, Eve?"
"Lord, I know you've created me and have provided this beautiful garden
and all of these wonderful animals, and that hilarious comedic snake,
but I'm just not happy."
"Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above.
"Lord, I am lonely. And I'm sick to death of apples."
"Well, Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for
you."
"What's a 'man', Lord?"
"This man will be a flawed creature, with aggressive tendencies, an
enormous ego and an inability to empathize or listen to you properly.
All in all, he'll give you a hard time. But, he'll be bigger, faster and
more muscular than you. He'll also need your advice to think properly.
He'll be really good at fighting and kicking a ball about, hunting
fleet-footed ruminants, and not altogether bad in romantic pursuits."
"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow. "What's the
catch, Lord?"
"Yeah, well.... you can have him on one condition."
"What's that, Lord?"
"You'll have to let him believe that I made him first."

-- 
This all leads to my belief that I've been wrongly defining 
liberalism for years. I think a new definition of the liberal 
is in order: A liberal is someone who only wants to be free 
from the consequences of freedom. -Mike Adams

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Feb  3 20:58:45 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:58:45 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 6:25-34 (Thursday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Feb  4 13:09:24 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] DVR Recorder for Sermons?
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Feb  4 18:10:01 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:10:01 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 7:1-14 (Friday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Feb  5 00:26:35 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] One Small Speck to Man
Message-ID: <4B6BAC0B.2000802@lightlink.com>

'Looks good! I'd buy it, but my reserves are a tad thin right now.
'Anyone read it?

Fred

http://www.americanvision.com/onesmallspecktoman.aspx

-- 
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious
people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any
other." John Adams, 2nd US President

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From xe1ufo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 20:20:09 2010
From: xe1ufo at gmail.com (Stephen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:20:09 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] [OT] PREVIOUS POSTS ON ALCOHOL USE
Message-ID: <c66e900b1002051720l38c77194r20abc87e0e89541b@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Last year there were a good number of post on the pros and cons of alcohol
from the perspective of Scriptures. Somehow, I managed to lose these posts.
I went to the group website, and there doesn't seem to be a search function.

If you could please send me these post again OFF LIST PLEASE to:
xe1ufo at gmail.com, I would very much appreciate it!

Thanks in advance and be blessed!

Dr. Steve
Central old Mexico
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From xe1ufo at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 20:32:21 2010
From: xe1ufo at gmail.com (Stephen Wilson)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 19:32:21 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] ANYBODY STILL USING THE SHARP ZAURUS?
Message-ID: <c66e900b1002051732r6babaf2cp830408071d26a16f@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

Is anybody on this list still using the Linux-powered versions of the Sharp
Zaurus PDA's? I have a Zaurus SL-5600 and it appears that there is no longer
any new ROM images available for it. It has a 2004 Watapon 1.4 ROM. Any info
would be appreciated! Plus it absolutely refuses to connect to my desktop
Ubuntu 9.10 machine.

On a side note: I have been fixing up HP clamshells, such as the 660LX and
Jornada's (680, 690, 720, 728) and NEC MobilPro's (780, 790, 900C), a couple
of Psions (5MX, 7 and Netbook Pro) for rural pastors and Bible school
students here in Mexico who own no computer of any kind. If you have any
stashed away at a good price, drop me a note.

Thanks in advance and be blessed a whole bunch and then some!

Dr. Steve
central old Mexico
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From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Fri Feb  5 20:37:32 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:37:32 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] A prayer for a winter night
Message-ID: <c6cfdfaa1002051737o4f213550l3c6e69f06cea8771@mail.gmail.com>

Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray for snow six feet deep
Spare the rest in the Land of The Free
But cover those loons in Washington, D.C.



-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
John 3:16
Please address all complaints to /dev/null
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Feb  5 21:20:09 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:20:09 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 7:15-29 (Saturday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Feb  5 23:02:11 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:02:11 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Will Rockefeller build 3rd Temple?
Message-ID: <4B6CE9C3.6090305@lightlink.com>

Richman, international director of the Temple Institute,
<http://www.templeinstitute.org/> a Jewish Temple activist group, told
WND the release is a "scam."

"The Temple Institute strongly protests the use of its name and that of
Rabbi Chaim Richman in a series of fraudulent press releases and
advertising claims that are now circulating on the Internet," read the
Temple Institute's official response to the release.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=124105

-- 
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious
people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any
other." John Adams, 2nd US President

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sat Feb  6 00:14:46 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:14:46 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] 'Deadly apologetic weapon' strikes back at Darwin
Message-ID: <4B6CFAC6.3@lightlink.com>

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123887

-- 
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious
people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any
other." John Adams, 2nd US President

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sat Feb  6 12:46:25 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:46:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] A prayer for a winter night
In-Reply-To: <c6cfdfaa1002051737o4f213550l3c6e69f06cea8771@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c6cfdfaa1002051737o4f213550l3c6e69f06cea8771@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6DAAF1.3050103@lightlink.com>

On 02/05/2010 08:37 PM, Ken Sprouse wrote:
>> Now I lay me down to sleep
>> I pray for snow six feet deep
>> Spare the rest in the Land of The Free
>> But cover those loons in Washington, D.C.
>>

Hehehehehehehehe......if only it could be!! :)

Fred

-- 
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to 
allow the people to carry arms.  History shows that all 
conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry 
arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb  7 15:07:59 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Discernment Ministry - A Biblical Defense
Message-ID: <4B6F1D9F.2060101@lightlink.com>

http://www.svchapel.org/resources/articles/23-doctrine/638-discernment-ministry-a-biblical-defense

-- 
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to 
allow the people to carry arms.  History shows that all 
conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry 
arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Feb  7 20:37:28 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:37:28 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 7:1-17, Matthew 8:1-13 (Sunday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:00:50 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 7:18-35, Matthew 11:1-24 (Monday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:06:48 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 7:36-50 (Tuesday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:36:51 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 12:33-50, Luke 8:19-21 (Wednesday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Feb 10 15:14:50 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:14:50 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 11:1-36 (Thursday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Feb 10 21:20:33 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:20:33 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Google's experiment: leapfrogging ISPs to
 deliver ultra-high-speed Web
Message-ID: <4B736971.2060101@lightlink.com>

Google, eager to take the Internet to the next level, isn't waiting
around for the telecoms or wireless providers to kick those connections
into ultra-high-speed mode. In a blog post this morning
<http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html>,
the company said it planning to build and test ultra-high speed networks
in a small number of regions across the U.S.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=30654&tag=nl.e589

-- 
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to 
allow the people to carry arms.  History shows that all 
conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry 
arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler

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From pjvasquez at baeyogin.com  Thu Feb 11 10:29:32 2010
From: pjvasquez at baeyogin.com (Peter J. Vasquez Sr.)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:29:32 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT:Google's fiber network
Message-ID: <9f5542131002110729i210b8b11y40d53b26e4d02e0a@mail.gmail.com>

I've been mostly a lurker to this and the cs-fslug mailing lists, but
I was curious if anyone saw, or was interested in Google's fiber
network.

http://www.google.com/appserve/fiberrfi

I work for a Telecommunications/ISP company who made a request for
funds through the USDA broadband stimulus project, and it seems like
Google's trying to push their way into complete control of the user
experience.  I wonder what other Telecoms/ISP's think of Google's
stance with regard to the Broadband Plan, and it's working alongside
the FCC?  From a user's perspective, I'm sure the desire for increased
bandwidth availability seems good at first.  So much power of
information and communication in one company's hands though, that's
scary.

--
Peter J. Vasquez Sr.

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Feb 11 20:44:31 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:44:31 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 11:37-53 (Friday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Feb 12 16:42:44 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:42:44 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 11:25-30 (Saturday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Feb 13 18:55:56 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:55:56 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 8:1-3 (Sunday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 14 10:57:47 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:57:47 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Achieving Godly Strength in Marriage.
Message-ID: <4B781D7B.6000300@lightlink.com>

*Achieving Godly Strength in Marriage*

Jonathan Falwell

 

I have been preaching a series on marriage in recent weeks and would
like to share some thoughts on the topic in today's column.   According
to the Barna Group (www.barna.org
<http://list.trbc.org/interspire/link.php?M=35591&N=62&L=41&F=H>), 26
percent of evangelical Christians have experienced divorce, so there is
certainly a need to address this problem within the church culture.

My prayer for this column is two-fold.  First, I want to encourage any
Christians now considering marriage to prayerfully ensure that they are
spiritually and emotionally prepared for such an important commitment. 
Second, I would like to hearten any Christians going through a difficult
time in their marriage to remember that the husband-wife relationship is
a sacred bond designed by God and we should take our oaths of marriage
very seriously.

You know, all too often, I believe Christians enter into marriage with
flawed expectations.  Young believers desiring marriage often say to
themselves:

   1. Marriage will solve all my problems.
   2. We'll have plenty of money.
   3. After we get married, he/she will change.
   4. We won't fight; everything will be perfect.

These types of unsound hopes can only lead to deep problems. Certainly,
other problems in our lives can lead to difficulties in marriage, including:

    * Over-dependence on parents.
    * Focusing on past mistakes and failures.
    * Insecurities about ourselves or our mate.
    * Unachievable expectations for our mate.

Here's a news flash: We're all flawed.  As such, we need the perfect,
infallible God to be our guide in every area of our lives---and
certainly that includes our marriages.  Without God at the helm of any
marriage, it is at risk.  It's that simple. 

Therefore, every Christian should make it his/her constant prayer that
God will enable them to become the husband/wife they need to be,
remembering that we cannot be what we need to be as a husband/wife on
our own.  An important statistic that bears this out is from a recent
study that shows that of couples who attend church together weekly AND
pray together daily, the divorce rate is 1 in 1105, or .01%.  Compare
this rate to the overall divorce rate and you will see how vitally
important it is to base your relationship on God's principles.

Let's examine a very important biblical passage regarding marriage:
Genesis 2:21.  It reads: "And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall
on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the
flesh in its place.  Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man
He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.  And Adam said:
'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called
Woman, because she was taken out of Man.'  Therefore, a man shall leave
his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become
one flesh."

This verse defines marriage as a God-ordained, lifelong covenant between
man and woman.  We see in this passage the following:

   1. God gives strength to marriage ("and the two shall become one
      flesh...").  This is why II Corinthians 6:14 ("Do not be unequally
      yoked together with unbelievers.  For what fellowship has
      righteousness with lawlessness?  And what communion has light with
      darkness?") is so important.  Our strength in marriage comes
      through a deep, continuing relationship with God.
   2. Companionship equals Discipleship ("And the Lord God said, 'It is
      not good that man should be alone...'").  As couples, we must be
      jointly working to be followers of Christ so that we can properly
      put aside the petty problems I mentioned above.  God must be at
      the core of our marriages.
   3. God wants us to be supporters and equals of each other in marriage
      ("I will make him a helper comparable to him...").  There is no
      room for selfish motives in marriage.
   4. Our mission in marriage should be to walk with, fear, obey and
      serve the Savior together (Deuteronomy 13:4).

Again, to those who are struggling in marriage, I have a special message
for you: God can help you change your expectations for your marriage. 
Successful marriages require tender hearts, my friends.  There are
certainly biblical reasons for divorce, but we must be willing to
forgive other problems, ever mindful that our Savior has forgiven us
first.  Ask God to help you rise above your doubts, your failings and
your pain.

Finally, I want to remind everyone of a Scriptural passage that
underlines the ideal condition of the Christian's heart.  It is also the
heart condition that all couples need.  Colossians 3:12-14: "Therefore,
as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness,
humility, meekness, longsuffering; bearing with one another, and
forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even
as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.  But above all these things
put on love, which is the bond of perfection."

-- 
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to 
allow the people to carry arms.  History shows that all 
conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry 
arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."--Adolf Hitler

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Feb 14 19:42:23 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:42:23 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 8:4-15, Matthew 13:1-23, Mark 4:1-9 (Monday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Feb 15 22:09:18 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 13:24-52, Mark 4:10-34,
	Luke 8:16-18 (Tuesday)
Message-ID: <4B7A0C5E.2070701@bibleseven.com>

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Feb 16 16:34:17 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 8:22-25, Matthew 8:23-27,
	Mark 4:35-41 (Wednesday)
Message-ID: <4B7B0F59.6040809@bibleseven.com>

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Feb 17 01:16:15 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:16:15 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Evolutionism: The Dying West's Science of Magic
 and Madness - Worth Reading
Message-ID: <4B7B89AF.1060007@lightlink.com>

http://worthreading.ning.com/profiles/blogs/evolutionism-the-dying-wests

-- 
Q. What's the difference between a southern zoo and a northern zoo?
A. The southern zoo has a description of the animal along with a recipe.

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Feb 17 21:30:53 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:30:53 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 8:26-39, Matthew 8:28-34,
	Mark 5:1-20 (Thursday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Feb 18 21:54:36 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:54:36 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 8:40-56, Matthew 13:53-58; 8:14-22;
	9:35-38 (Friday)
Message-ID: <4B7DFD6C.1090107@bibleseven.com>

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Feb 19 18:44:13 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Rage against the machine: 7 Microsoft rebels
Message-ID: <4B7F224D.1090901@lightlink.com>

  *Rage against the machine: 7 Microsoft rebels*
<http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/6178986/250558731/264515/0/>

Over the past couple of years, Microsoft shops have been increasingly
wooed by vendors offering alternatives to Windows, Exchange, Microsoft
Office, and other Microsoft wares. Here are some of the would-be
successors to Microsoft. *Read More*
<http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/6178986/250558731/264515/0/>


-- 
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious
people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any
other." John Adams, 2nd US President

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Feb 19 19:44:09 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:44:09 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 10 (Saturday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sat Feb 20 16:30:18 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
Message-ID: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>



*Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone *

Because of its many entertaining "applications" which feature movie
clips, games, and more, Apple's iPhone has become enormously popular
with teenagers. But some "apps" contain material clearly not appropriate
for kids -- and YOU can help put a stop to it!* ?* * more
<http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/news/articles/2010/AppleiPhone.asp>*

-- 
Q. What's the difference between a southern zoo and a northern zoo?
A. The southern zoo has a description of the animal along with a recipe.

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From gorkon at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 16:46:37 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:46:37 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>

Apple can do little to prevent this.  The store is pretty sanitary, but you
can use the phone's browser to browse porn.  Better question: why DOES your
KID need a iPhone??



On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>wrote:

>    *Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone *
>
> Because of its many entertaining "applications" which feature movie clips,
> games, and more, Apple's iPhone has become enormously popular with
> teenagers. But some "apps" contain material clearly not appropriate for kids
> -- and YOU can help put a stop to it!* ?* *  more<http://www.parentstv.org/PTC/news/articles/2010/AppleiPhone.asp>
> *
>
> --
> Q. What's the difference between a southern zoo and a northern zoo?
> A. The southern zoo has a description of the animal along with a recipe.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>


-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com


Joan Crawford<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/j/joan_crawford.html>
- "I, Joan Crawford, I believe in the dollar. Everything I earn, I
spend."
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From david at dmcentral.net  Sat Feb 20 20:18:46 2010
From: david at dmcentral.net (David McGlone)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
	<6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>

Apple can do little to prevent this.  The store is pretty sanitary, but you 
can use the phone's browser to browse porn.  Better question: why DOES your 
KID need a iPhone??

I would ask that question also.

-- 
Blessings
David M.
I have been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that 
I had nowhere else to go.

From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Sat Feb 20 21:34:17 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>	<6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>
Message-ID: <4B809BA9.1080905@lavabit.com>

David McGlone wrote:
> Apple can do little to prevent this.  The store is pretty sanitary, but you 
> can use the phone's browser to browse porn.  Better question: why DOES your 
> KID need a iPhone??
>
> I would ask that question also.
>
>   
Ditto on that, but I disagree about the app store.
The iPhone is so locked down that every app MUST be approved by Apple 
before it can be sold.
They had to have seen these before they went up for sale.

-Eddy


From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Sun Feb 21 05:46:43 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <4B809BA9.1080905@lavabit.com>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
	<6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net> <4B809BA9.1080905@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <1266749203.5053.8.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>

On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 18:34 -0800, Eddy Martin wrote:
> David McGlone wrote:
> > Apple can do little to prevent this.  The store is pretty sanitary, but you 
> > can use the phone's browser to browse porn.  Better question: why DOES your 
> > KID need a iPhone??
> >
> > I would ask that question also.
> >
> >   
> Ditto on that, but I disagree about the app store.
> The iPhone is so locked down that every app MUST be approved by Apple 
> before it can be sold.
> They had to have seen these before they went up for sale.

  The iPhone has been cracked at least once.  IIRC a crack was released
that would allow the phone to be used by non-Apple approved carriers.
Apples response was a software update thwarting that move.
  BTW my kids (20+) with cell phones bought their own, if they had
needed it while younger I would have gotten a good serviceable unit
without the bells and whistles, kinda like the luddite one I have.  ;)


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Feb 21 08:46:31 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Read Mark 6:1-13, Luke 9:1-6 (Sunday)
Message-ID: <4B813937.9090004@bibleseven.com>

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From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 09:23:41 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:23:41 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <1266749203.5053.8.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
	<6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>
	<4B809BA9.1080905@lavabit.com>
	<1266749203.5053.8.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
Message-ID: <c6cfdfaa1002210623u503b6a43q832d4683a89b48c4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln at mnsi.net> wrote:

> > Ditto on that, but I disagree about the app store.
> > The iPhone is so locked down that every app MUST be approved by Apple
> > before it can be sold.
> > They had to have seen these before they went up for sale.
>
> You are correct.  Apple had one problem deleting an app that would allow
the iPhone to make VOIP calls via the Internet thus bypassing AT&T charges
if you were within range of WiFi.  Think of the money that would be saved on
collage campuses and the revenues that would be lost to AT&T if they could
chat on Skype from their dorm rooms.

And yes, software is available to "jail break" the iPhone so that it can do
more than Apple intended which has started a cat and mouse game between the
software hack people and Apple to see who can out do the other.  My eldest
son (over 40) has an iPhone and can't figure out what he ever did without
it.  I have real mixed emotions about what age to let a child have a cell
phone if at all.  I routinely see grade school kids in my neighborhood
walking home from school talking on their phones.  I guess the bottom line
is like with most things if you have instilled the proper values in your
children giving them a cell phone will not be a problem.  If on the other
hand you have not taught them to be responsible in all things in their lives
then you end up having to make decisions like about things like cell phones.



-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
John 3:16
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 09:43:10 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:43:10 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <c6cfdfaa1002210623u503b6a43q832d4683a89b48c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
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Really good thought Ken.

My son has one, but it's limited so he can only call us.  It also has
no browser.  He can't look at bad things.

How was this accomplished?  The phone had an option to only let it
ring for people on his contact list.  That way only people who he
knows can call him.



On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Ken Sprouse <wa3fkg at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln at mnsi.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Ditto on that, but I disagree about the app store.
>> > The iPhone is so locked down that every app MUST be approved by Apple
>> > before it can be sold.
>> > They had to have seen these before they went up for sale.
>>
> You are correct. ?Apple had one problem deleting an app that would allow the
> iPhone to make VOIP calls via the Internet thus bypassing AT&T charges if
> you were within range of WiFi. ?Think of the money that would be saved on
> collage campuses and the revenues that would be lost to AT&T if they could
> chat on Skype from their dorm rooms.
> And yes, software is available to "jail break" the iPhone so that it can do
> more than Apple intended which has started a cat and mouse game between the
> software hack people and Apple to see who can out do the other. ?My eldest
> son (over 40) has an iPhone and can't figure out what he ever did without
> it. ?I have real mixed emotions about what age to let a child have a cell
> phone if at all. ?I routinely see grade school kids in my neighborhood
> walking home from school talking on their phones. ?I guess the bottom line
> is like with most things if you have instilled the proper values in your
> children giving them a cell phone will not be a problem. ?If on the other
> hand you have not taught them to be responsible in all things in their lives
> then you end up having to make decisions like about things like cell phones.
>
>
> --
> Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG ?http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
> John 3:16
> Please address all complaints to /dev/null
> The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
> Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>



-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com


Charles de Gaulle  - "The better I get to know men, the more I find
myself loving dogs." -
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html

From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 10:40:06 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:40:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Apple to remove skin
In-Reply-To: <CE20D6EC-E69C-4BCA-8E5A-49E9668B2457@gmail.com>
References: <CE20D6EC-E69C-4BCA-8E5A-49E9668B2457@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c6cfdfaa1002210740l1731562ax7baae78050a3d028@mail.gmail.com>

This message is form another mailing list that I subscribe to but I though I
would add it to the conversation.


from app store.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/20/app-store-rules-sexy/

Will beinteresting to see if they nix SI swimsuits.

Yep, I have a calendar app (SwimSuitCal) and a weather app
( HotWeather).



-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
John 3:16
Please address all complaints to /dev/null
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From michelefessenden at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 21 13:20:06 2010
From: michelefessenden at hotmail.com (michele fessenden)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <6dd08b11002210643o2980cee2n6664e8020ae1b647@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>,
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	<201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>,
	<4B809BA9.1080905@lavabit.com>,
	<1266749203.5053.8.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>,
	<c6cfdfaa1002210623u503b6a43q832d4683a89b48c4@mail.gmail.com>,
	<6dd08b11002210643o2980cee2n6664e8020ae1b647@mail.gmail.com>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:43:10 -0500
> From: gorkon at gmail.com
> To: linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
> 
> Really good thought Ken.
> 
> My son has one, but it's limited so he can only call us.  It also has
> no browser.  He can't look at bad things.
> 
> How was this accomplished?  The phone had an option to only let it
> ring for people on his contact list.  That way only people who he
> knows can call him.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Ken Sprouse <wa3fkg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln at mnsi.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ditto on that, but I disagree about the app store.
> >> > The iPhone is so locked down that every app MUST be approved by Apple
> >> > before it can be sold.
> >> > They had to have seen these before they went up for sale.
> >>
> > You are correct.  Apple had one problem deleting an app that would allow the
> > iPhone to make VOIP calls via the Internet thus bypassing AT&T charges if
> > you were within range of WiFi.  Think of the money that would be saved on
> > collage campuses and the revenues that would be lost to AT&T if they could
> > chat on Skype from their dorm rooms.
> > And yes, software is available to "jail break" the iPhone so that it can do
> > more than Apple intended which has started a cat and mouse game between the
> > software hack people and Apple to see who can out do the other.  My eldest
> > son (over 40) has an iPhone and can't figure out what he ever did without
> > it.  I have real mixed emotions about what age to let a child have a cell
> > phone if at all.  I routinely see grade school kids in my neighborhood
> > walking home from school talking on their phones.  I guess the bottom line
> > is like with most things if you have instilled the proper values in your
> > children giving them a cell phone will not be a problem.  If on the other
> > hand you have not taught them to be responsible in all things in their lives
> > then you end up having to make decisions like about things like cell phones.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
> > John 3:16
> > Please address all complaints to /dev/null
> > The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
> > Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux4christians mailing list
> > Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> > http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joel McLaughlin
> Life in Ohio Podcast
> life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
> gorkon at gmail.com
> http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
> joel at geardiary.com
> geardiary.com
> 
> 
> Charles de Gaulle  - "The better I get to know men, the more I find
> myself loving dogs." -
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians

Here's the thing, if your child wants to do something that is not in their best interest they will find a way to do it.  Or they will get someone to do it for them.  Children are a lot smarter than some parents give them credit for.  I agree if you instill in them proper values they may behave themselves but how many of us can honestly say that we did everything our parents asked of us when we were younger?  I can't say that I have.  I am definitely not perfect nor can I expect my child to be.  One can only hope though.
 		 	   		  
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From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 13:43:32 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-W19B545F0E49F85CF883219CB440@phx.gbl>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
	<6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>
	<4B809BA9.1080905@lavabit.com>
	<1266749203.5053.8.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
	<c6cfdfaa1002210623u503b6a43q832d4683a89b48c4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:20 PM, michele fessenden <
michelefessenden at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Here's the thing, if your child wants to do something that is not in their
> best interest they will find a way to do it.  Or they will get someone to do
> it for them.  Children are a lot smarter than some parents give them credit
> for.  I agree if you instill in them proper values they may behave
> themselves but how many of us can honestly say that we did everything our
> parents asked of us when we were younger?  I can't say that I have.  I am
> definitely not perfect nor can I expect my child to be.  One can only hope
> though.
>
>
This is true.  I did many things especially when I was a teenager that I'm
sure my parents would not have approved.  And a few that I know they didn't
approve of because they found out about them and I paid the consequences for
that disapproval! :-)  I guess I should have qualified by statement more
based on age.  I have always had firearms around the house.  When the boys
were small the were kept away from the completely.   As they grew older I
changed tactics and while never loaded some guns were left within easy reach
but the boys were told that they could handle them anytime they wanted if
the came and got me or their mother to supervise.  I took them out the range
and let them shoot at a relatively young age and showed them the destructive
power of guns.  I have had many comments from other adults saying they wish
the guys they hunt with were as safety conscious as my kids were at ten and
twelve years old.  Now I'm not advocating that you give your five year old a
rifle although Ken Jr. was shooting rifles and revolvers at age five.  But
you correct that children are not dumb and in the case of computers their
knowledge often exceeds that of their parents which complicates the
situation.  So among other things there must be a certain level of hope
involved.



-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
John 3:16
Please address all complaints to /dev/null
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 21 14:22:01 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
In-Reply-To: <c6cfdfaa1002210623u503b6a43q832d4683a89b48c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>	<6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>	<201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>	<4B809BA9.1080905@lavabit.com>	<1266749203.5053.8.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
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On 02/21/2010 09:23 AM, Ken Sprouse wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln at mnsi.net
> <mailto:mwmcmlln at mnsi.net>> wrote:
>
>     > Ditto on that, but I disagree about the app store.
>     > The iPhone is so locked down that every app MUST be approved by
>     Apple
>     > before it can be sold.
>     > They had to have seen these before they went up for sale.
>
> You are correct.  Apple had one problem deleting an app that would
> allow the iPhone to make VOIP calls via the Internet thus bypassing
> AT&T charges if you were within range of WiFi.  Think of the money
> that would be saved on collage campuses and the revenues that would be
> lost to AT&T if they could chat on Skype from their dorm rooms.
>
> And yes, software is available to "jail break" the iPhone so that it
> can do more than Apple intended which has started a cat and mouse game
> between the software hack people and Apple to see who can out do the
> other.  My eldest son (over 40) has an iPhone and can't figure out
> what he ever did without it.  I have real mixed emotions about what
> age to let a child have a cell phone if at all.  I routinely see grade
> school kids in my neighborhood walking home from school talking on
> their phones.  I guess the bottom line is like with most things if you
> have instilled the proper values in your children giving them a cell
> phone will not be a problem.  If on the other hand you have not taught
> them to be responsible in all things in their lives then you end up
> having to make decisions like about things like cell phones.
>
What about putting temptation in front of them? The decision may not be
as easy as some of us think. I also am of the opinion that outside of
emergency use, cell phones, for the most part, are a solution looking
for a problem.

Fred

-- 
Q. What's the difference between a southern zoo and a northern zoo?
A. The southern zoo has a description of the animal along with a recipe.

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 21 16:31:06 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:31:06 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Supreme Court case could affect children's
	ministry
Message-ID: <4B81A61A.1090601@lightlink.com>

Child Evangelism Fellowship is keeping a close eye on a U.S. Supreme
court case that the national ministry believes could impede equal-access
rights under the First Amendment.

The case involves Christian Legal Society (CLS) and whether a public
university -- in this case, Hastings College of Law -- can refuse to
recognize a religious student group because of religious requirements
for voting members and officers. Hastings has denied student funding of
the CLS chapter on campus, arguing that the club's requirements -- which
reflect basic Christian principles -- violate the school's policy
against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=899826

-- 
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A. The southern zoo has a description of the animal along with a recipe.

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Feb 21 20:12:17 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 20:12:17 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 6:14-32, Matthew 14:1-13,
	Luke 9:7-11 (Monday)
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From ken at wa3fkg.com  Sun Feb 21 22:53:16 2010
From: ken at wa3fkg.com (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:53:16 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Keep an Eye on Your Child's iPhone
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References: <4B80546A.3020606@lightlink.com>
	<6dd08b11002201346h609487fbvb1e88114cd35eb8b@mail.gmail.com>
	<201002202018.46663.david@dmcentral.net>
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On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>wrote:

>
>  What about putting temptation in front of them? The decision may not be
> as easy as some of us think. I also am of the opinion that outside of
> emergency use, cell phones, for the most part, are a solution looking for a
> problem.
>
> Fred
>
> --
> Q. What's the difference between a southern zoo and a northern zoo?
> A. The southern zoo has a description of the animal along with a recipe.
>
>  I don't own a cell phone.  I have one that is provided by my employer
since I am pretty much on call 24/7.  I also find that the cell phone
has aggravated the instant gratification problem among both children and
adults.  They call people to ask the most inane questions that are not time
dependent and could have easily waited until the next time they ran into the
person just because they could.  I have had to make my displeasure know to a
few people who would call me to ask what was the color of the first car I
owned just because it was something that came up in conversation or that
they were thinking about.  I want to know what these people who walk around
with a cell phone screwed onto their ear all day long did before there were
cell phones?


-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
John 3:16
Please address all complaints to /dev/null
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Feb 22 18:06:00 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:06:00 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 6:33-44, Matthew 14:13-21,
	John 6:1-15 (Tuesday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:49:38 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 6:45-52, Matthew 14:22-33 (Wednesday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 6:53-56; 7:1-23, Matthew 14:34-36;
	15:1-31 (Thursday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 6:25-58 (Friday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Feb 26 16:29:59 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:29:59 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Technology News: Malware: Microsoft Gets Court
 Nod to Cripple Spam-Spewing Botnet
Message-ID: <4B883D57.1030700@lightlink.com>

http://www.technewsworld.com/edpick/69428.html

-- 
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious
people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any
other." John Adams, 2nd US President

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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:47:15 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 7:24-37 (Saturday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:50:54 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Mark 7:24-37 (Saturday) -- CORRECTION
In-Reply-To: <4B885D83.8030305@bibleseven.com>
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Feb 26 20:43:25 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:43:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Does Microsoft want a Linux trial?
Message-ID: <4B8878BD.6090606@lightlink.com>

http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5946&tag=nl.e589

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people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Feb 26 21:34:30 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:34:30 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Independent programmers stuck in no-win scenario
Message-ID: <4B8884B6.7040400@lightlink.com>

  *Independent programmers stuck in no-win scenario*
<http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/6199574/250558731/266223/0/>

A hostile business climate is stifling entrepreneurship in software
development, and the U.S. economy pays the price. *Read More*
<http://ifwnewsletters.newsletters.infoworld.com/t/6199574/250558731/266223/0/>


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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Feb 27 17:27:25 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:27:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 15:32-38, 16:1-12, Mark 8:1-26  (Sunday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 28 12:12:01 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:12:01 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] ~ A Baby's Hug ~
Message-ID: <4B8AA3E1.1070500@lightlink.com>

~ A Baby's Hug ~

         
         

    We were the only family with children in the restaurant. I sat Erik
    in a high chair and noticed everyone was quietly sitting and
    talking. Suddenly, Erik squealed with glee and said, 'Hi.' He
    pounded his fat baby hands on the high chair tray. His eyes were
    crinkled in laughter and his mouth was bared in a toothless grin, as
    he wriggled and giggled with merriment.

    I looked around and saw the source of his merriment. It was a man
    whose pants were baggy with a zipper at half-mast and his toes poked
    out of would-be shoes. His shirt was dirty and his hair was uncombed
    and unwashed. His whiskers were too short to be called a beard and
    his nose was so varicose it looked like a road map.

    We were too far from him to smell, but I was sure he smelled. His
    hands waved and flapped on loose wrists. 'Hi there, baby; hi there,
    big boy. I see ya, buster,' the man said to Erik. 

    My husband and I exchanged looks,   

    'What do we do?'

    Erik continued to laugh and answer, 'Hi.'

    Everyone in the restaurant noticed and looked at us and then at the
    man. The old geezer was creating a nuisance with my beautiful baby.
    Our meal came and the man began shouting from across the room, 'Do
    ya patty cake? Do you know peek-a-boo? Hey, look, he knows peek-a-boo..'

    Nobody thought the old man was cute. He was obviously drunk.

    My husband and I were embarrassed. We ate in silence; all except for
    Erik, who was running through his repertoire for the admiring
    skid-row bum, who in turn, reciprocated with his cute comments.

    We finally got through the meal and headed for the door. My husband
    went to pay the check and told me to meet him in the parking lot.
    The old man sat poised between me and the door. 'Lord, just let me
    out of here before he speaks to me or Erik,' I prayed. As I drew
    closer to the man, I turned my back trying to sidestep him and avoid
    any air he might be breathing. As I did, Erik leaned over my arm,
    reaching with both arms in a baby's 'pick-me-up' position. Before I
    could stop him, Erik had propelled himself from my arms to the man.

    Suddenly a very old smelly man and a very young baby consummated
    their love and kinship. Erik in an act of total trust, love, and
    submission laid his tiny head upon the man's ragged shoulder. The
    man's eyes closed, and I saw tears hover beneath his lashes. His
    aged hands full of grime, pain, and hard labor, cradled my baby's
    bottom and stroked his back. No two beings have ever loved so deeply
    for so short a time. 

    I stood awestruck. The old man rocked and cradled Erik in his arms
    and his eyes opened and set squarely on mine. He said in a firm
    commanding voice, 'You take care of this baby.'

    Somehow I managed, 'I will,' from a throat that contained a stone.

    He pried Erik from his chest, lovingly and longingly, as though he
    were in pain. I received my baby, and the man said, 'God bless you,
    ma'am, you've given me my Christmas gift.'

    I said nothing more than a muttered thanks. With Erik in my arms, I
    ran for the car. My husband was wondering why I was crying and
    holding Erik so tightly, and why I was saying,   'My God, my God,
    forgive me.'

    I had just witnessed Christ's love shown through the innocence of a
    tiny child who saw no sin, who made no judgment; a child who saw a
    soul, and a mother who saw a suit of clothes.. I was a Christian who
    was blind, holding a child who was not. I felt it was God asking,
    'Are you willing to share your son for a moment?' when He shared His
    for all eternity.  How did God feel when he put his baby in our arms
    2000 years ago. 

    The ragged old man, unwittingly, had reminded me, 'To enter the
    Kingdom of God , we must become as little children.'

    If this has blessed you, please bless others by sending it on.
    Sometimes, it takes a child to remind us of what is really
    important. We must always remember who we are, where we came from
    and, most importantly, how we feel about others. The clothes on your
    back or the car that you drive or the house that you live in does
    not define you at all; it is how you treat your fellow man that
    identifies who you are.

    'It is better to be liked for the true you, than to be loved for who
    people think you are......'(Amen! )

-- 
There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals) 
because dogma is more important than the truth!

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 28 12:22:33 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:22:33 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] 'Anyone have these? How accurate is he?
Message-ID: <4B8AA659.2080707@lightlink.com>

http://superstore.wnd.com/store/item.asp?DEPARTMENT_ID=29&SUBDEPARTMENT_ID=153&ITEM_ID=3188

-- 
There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals) 
because dogma is more important than the truth!

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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Sun Feb 28 13:50:43 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:50:43 -0800
Subject: [Linux4christians] 'Anyone have these? How accurate is he?
In-Reply-To: <4B8AA659.2080707@lightlink.com>
References: <4B8AA659.2080707@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <4B8ABB03.2040800@lavabit.com>

I have not read either of these, nor heard or read any of Mr. 
Richardson's work.
I have, however, heard Walid Shoebat.
Once in person at our church and once on the radio.
I can tell you he is a very Godly man who has a heart to serve God and 
reach the lost especially among the muslims.
I would recommend doing a little more research, but I can personally say 
I found Mr. Shoebat's appraisal of the muslim world's role in Biblical 
events to be quite fascinating.
I used to have the audio tape from when he came to our church.
If I can find it, I'll digitize it and forward it along.

-Eddy

On 02/28/2010 09:22 AM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> http://superstore.wnd.com/store/item.asp?DEPARTMENT_ID=29&SUBDEPARTMENT_ID=153&ITEM_ID=3188
> -- 
> There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals)
> because dogma is more important than the truth!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 28 14:52:45 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] 'Anyone have these? How accurate is he?
In-Reply-To: <4B8ABB03.2040800@lavabit.com>
References: <4B8AA659.2080707@lightlink.com> <4B8ABB03.2040800@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4B8AC98D.7050906@lightlink.com>

On 02/28/2010 01:50 PM, Eddy Martin wrote:
> I have not read either of these, nor heard or read any of Mr.
> Richardson's work.
> I have, however, heard Walid Shoebat.
> Once in person at our church and once on the radio.
> I can tell you he is a very Godly man who has a heart to serve God and
> reach the lost especially among the muslims.
> I would recommend doing a little more research, but I can personally
> say I found Mr. Shoebat's appraisal of the muslim world's role in
> Biblical events to be quite fascinating.
> I used to have the audio tape from when he came to our church.
> If I can find it, I'll digitize it and forward it along.
>
Thanks, Eddy! From what I've read in the advertisement, I'm very tempted
to agree with all that's there, including what has been said for so long
about Rome and the Catholic Church.....just plain wrong, and no....I'm
not Catholic. It was several years ago when I first read most of the
Quran, and that's when I began to suspect that the evil one who comes to
world power in the Tribulation WILL be a Muslim, and "the one" that
Muslims have long been waiting for.

As I've explained to others before, it isn't rocket science that
Muhammad was able to come up with his prophacies as per the Koran
because even though he couldn't read nor write, he still knew the
content of the Old Testament including all the prophecies AND what
Christ taught. Muhammad tried to get the Jews and Christians to buy into
his man-made religion, which of course, they rightfully didn't want
anything to do with for a number of reasons, one of which was/is that
Scripture contained no prophecy that said God would send anyone other
than the Messiah, who was and is, of course, Christ. Another was/is that
much of what the Koran teaches is totally in conflict with Scripture.
Today we know that the Koran is so full of contraditions and errors that
it resembles swiss cheese, where the Old and New Testaments don't
contain errors and contradictions, thus another proof of it being God's
word. When Muhammad was rejected by the Jews and Christians, he then
wrote all the hate and venom into the Koran. Until then, he played
"nicey nice". The rest is, as is commonly said, history.

I'm quite temped to order the DVDs.

Fred

-- 
There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals) 
because dogma is more important than the truth!

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 28 15:28:52 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:28:52 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] 'Anyone have these? How accurate is he?
In-Reply-To: <4B8AC98D.7050906@lightlink.com>
References: <4B8AA659.2080707@lightlink.com> <4B8ABB03.2040800@lavabit.com>
	<4B8AC98D.7050906@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <4B8AD204.1070106@lightlink.com>

On 02/28/2010 02:52 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On 02/28/2010 01:50 PM, Eddy Martin wrote:
>> I have not read either of these, nor heard or read any of Mr.
>> Richardson's work.
>> I have, however, heard Walid Shoebat.
>> Once in person at our church and once on the radio.
>> I can tell you he is a very Godly man who has a heart to serve God
>> and reach the lost especially among the muslims.
>> I would recommend doing a little more research, but I can personally
>> say I found Mr. Shoebat's appraisal of the muslim world's role in
>> Biblical events to be quite fascinating.
>> I used to have the audio tape from when he came to our church.
>> If I can find it, I'll digitize it and forward it along.
>>
> Thanks, Eddy! From what I've read in the advertisement, I'm very
> tempted to agree with all that's there, including what has been said
> for so long about Rome and the Catholic Church.....just plain wrong,
> and no....I'm not Catholic. It was several years ago when I first read
> most of the Quran, and that's when I began to suspect that the evil
> one who comes to world power in the Tribulation WILL be a Muslim, and
> "the one" that Muslims have long been waiting for.
>
> As I've explained to others before, it isn't rocket science that
> Muhammad was able to come up with his prophacies as per the Koran
> because even though he couldn't read nor write, he still knew the
> content of the Old Testament including all the prophecies AND what
> Christ taught. Muhammad tried to get the Jews and Christians to buy
> into his man-made religion, which of course, they rightfully didn't
> want anything to do with for a number of reasons, one of which was/is
> that Scripture contained no prophecy that said God would send anyone
> other than the Messiah, who was and is, of course, Christ. Another
> was/is that much of what the Koran teaches is totally in conflict with
> Scripture. Today we know that the Koran is so full of contraditions
> and errors that it resembles swiss cheese, where the Old and New
> Testaments don't contain errors and contradictions, thus another proof
> of it being God's word. When Muhammad was rejected by the Jews and
> Christians, he then wrote all the hate and venom into the Koran. Until
> then, he played "nicey nice". The rest is, as is commonly said, history.
>
> I'm quite temped to order the DVDs.
>

As a follow up.....I did order them.

Fred

-- 
There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals) 
because dogma is more important than the truth!

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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Sun Feb 28 19:04:18 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (hpp3 at lavabit.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:04:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Linux4christians] 'Anyone have these? How accurate is he?
In-Reply-To: <4B8AD204.1070106@lightlink.com>
References: <4B8AA659.2080707@lightlink.com> <4B8ABB03.2040800@lavabit.com>
	<4B8AC98D.7050906@lightlink.com> <4B8AD204.1070106@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <50624.67.182.134.57.1267401858.squirrel@lavabit.com>

>> Thanks, Eddy! From what I've read in the advertisement, I'm very
>> tempted to agree with all that's there, including what has been said
>> for so long about Rome and the Catholic Church.....just plain wrong,
>> and no....I'm not Catholic. It was several years ago when I first read
>> most of the Quran, and that's when I began to suspect that the evil
>> one who comes to world power in the Tribulation WILL be a Muslim, and
>> "the one" that Muslims have long been waiting for.
>>
>> As I've explained to others before, it isn't rocket science that
>> Muhammad was able to come up with his prophacies as per the Koran
>> because even though he couldn't read nor write, he still knew the
>> content of the Old Testament including all the prophecies AND what
>> Christ taught. Muhammad tried to get the Jews and Christians to buy
>> into his man-made religion, which of course, they rightfully didn't
>> want anything to do with for a number of reasons, one of which was/is
>> that Scripture contained no prophecy that said God would send anyone
>> other than the Messiah, who was and is, of course, Christ. Another
>> was/is that much of what the Koran teaches is totally in conflict with
>> Scripture. Today we know that the Koran is so full of contraditions
>> and errors that it resembles swiss cheese, where the Old and New
>> Testaments don't contain errors and contradictions, thus another proof
>> of it being God's word. When Muhammad was rejected by the Jews and
>> Christians, he then wrote all the hate and venom into the Koran. Until
>> then, he played "nicey nice". The rest is, as is commonly said, history.
>>
>> I'm quite temped to order the DVDs.
>>
>
> As a follow up.....I did order them.
>
> Fred
>

I agree with your viewpoint on the Koran.
Calling it a heretical tome would be putting things mildly.

I'm not COMPLETELY convinced that the anti-christ will be a muslim, but it
would certainly make sense from many viewpoints.

Perhaps you can share a short review with us when you've done watching?
I cannot find my tape, but then again my workshop holds many secrets ;)
I'll dig deeper later.
-Eddy



From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Feb 28 19:48:10 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:48:10 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 16:13-20, Mark 8:27-30,
	Luke 9:18-22  (Monday)
Message-ID: <4B8B0ECA.20608@bibleseven.com>

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Feb 28 20:42:40 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:42:40 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] 'Anyone have these? How accurate is he?
In-Reply-To: <50624.67.182.134.57.1267401858.squirrel@lavabit.com>
References: <4B8AA659.2080707@lightlink.com>
	<4B8ABB03.2040800@lavabit.com>	<4B8AC98D.7050906@lightlink.com>
	<4B8AD204.1070106@lightlink.com>
	<50624.67.182.134.57.1267401858.squirrel@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4B8B1B90.90806@lightlink.com>

On 02/28/2010 07:04 PM, hpp3 at lavabit.com wrote:
>>> Thanks, Eddy! From what I've read in the advertisement, I'm very
>>> tempted to agree with all that's there, including what has been said
>>> for so long about Rome and the Catholic Church.....just plain wrong,
>>> and no....I'm not Catholic. It was several years ago when I first read
>>> most of the Quran, and that's when I began to suspect that the evil
>>> one who comes to world power in the Tribulation WILL be a Muslim, and
>>> "the one" that Muslims have long been waiting for.
>>>
>>> As I've explained to others before, it isn't rocket science that
>>> Muhammad was able to come up with his prophacies as per the Koran
>>> because even though he couldn't read nor write, he still knew the
>>> content of the Old Testament including all the prophecies AND what
>>> Christ taught. Muhammad tried to get the Jews and Christians to buy
>>> into his man-made religion, which of course, they rightfully didn't
>>> want anything to do with for a number of reasons, one of which was/is
>>> that Scripture contained no prophecy that said God would send anyone
>>> other than the Messiah, who was and is, of course, Christ. Another
>>> was/is that much of what the Koran teaches is totally in conflict with
>>> Scripture. Today we know that the Koran is so full of contraditions
>>> and errors that it resembles swiss cheese, where the Old and New
>>> Testaments don't contain errors and contradictions, thus another proof
>>> of it being God's word. When Muhammad was rejected by the Jews and
>>> Christians, he then wrote all the hate and venom into the Koran. Until
>>> then, he played "nicey nice". The rest is, as is commonly said, history.
>>>
>>> I'm quite temped to order the DVDs.
>>>
>>>       
>> As a follow up.....I did order them.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>     
> I agree with your viewpoint on the Koran.
> Calling it a heretical tome would be putting things mildly.
>
> I'm not COMPLETELY convinced that the anti-christ will be a muslim, but it
> would certainly make sense from many viewpoints.
>
> Perhaps you can share a short review with us when you've done watching?
> I cannot find my tape, but then again my workshop holds many secrets ;)
> I'll dig deeper later.
>   
'Saright. And, YES, I'll do that once we get them and have a chance to
watch them.

Fred

-- 
"The sword of Muhammad and the Qur'an are the most fatal enemies of 
civilization, liberty and truth which the world has ever known - an 
unmitigated cultural disaster parading as God's will." 
--Sir William Muir

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