From satimis at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 10:11:38 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:11:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linbread - Windows version
Message-ID: <212377.40069.qm@web113211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi folks,

Is there a Windows version for linbread?  If NO how can I make it run on Windows XP/Vista?  TIA

B.R.
SL


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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Apr  1 21:13:29 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 20:13:29 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] John 17 (Friday)
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From shengchieh at linuxmail.org  Thu Apr  1 22:41:22 2010
From: shengchieh at linuxmail.org (shengchieh at linuxmail.org)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:41:22 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
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Linux Links had a new article about bible softwares (came out yesterday,
but Linux Today had it today).

http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20100328144637234/BibleSoftware.html

Xiphos is just GNOME SWORD.   Bible time and Xiphos "piggyback" on the
SWORD project.  The others mentioned are:

Alkitab Bible Study
http://www.kiyut.com/products/alkitab/index.html

Bible Analyzer
http://www.bibleanalyzer.com/

Bible Desktop
http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/

BPBible
http://bpbible.com/

Has anyone tried one of these (latter 4)?  I do my studies the old-fashioned
way, i.e., use Bibletime and a blank text editor (to write note) - maybe I
need to dig the bible more.  I don't have time now - got to get the US taxes 
done - but when I have time I may look further.  But I'm just wondering if 
any of you had experience with any of these codes.

Sheng-Chieh


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From satimis at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 23:41:40 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 20:41:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
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Hi Sheng-Chieh,

Thanks for your posting.


I'm happen to find those software available on both Linux and Windows versions.  It is quite import that apart from serving the Linux community we can serve Windows community as well.  There is no boundary in the eyes of our Lord.  In the religion family we are brothers and sisters.


I thinks "Bible Desktop" will be suitable for PCs in the Church and/or Bible Study Class room.  Other users may not be interested.  I'll test it later.


BPBible is for Windows only?  However it has an USB version making Bible anywhere which is a good idea.


B.R.
SL




________________________________
From: "shengchieh at linuxmail.org" <shengchieh at linuxmail.org>
To: linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
Sent: Fri, April 2, 2010 10:41:22 AM
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?

Linux Links had a new article about bible softwares (came out yesterday,
but Linux Today had it today).

http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20100328144637234/BibleSoftware.html

Xiphos is just GNOME SWORD.   Bible time and Xiphos "piggyback" on the
SWORD project.  The others mentioned are:

Alkitab Bible Study
http://www.kiyut.com/products/alkitab/index.html

Bible Analyzer
http://www.bibleanalyzer.com/

Bible Desktop
http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/

BPBible
http://bpbible.com/

Has anyone tried one of these (latter 4)?  I do my studies the old-fashioned
way, i.e., use Bibletime and a blank text editor (to write note) - maybe I
need to dig the bible more.  I don't have time now - got to get the US taxes 
done - but when I have time I may look further.  But I'm just wondering if 
any of you had experience with any of these codes.

Sheng-Chieh

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From karl at kleinpaste.org  Fri Apr  2 07:52:46 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 07:52:46 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
	(shengchieh@linuxmail.org's message of "Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:41:22
	-0400")
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shengchieh at linuxmail.org writes:
> Xiphos is just GNOME SWORD.  Bible time and Xiphos "piggyback" on the
> SWORD project.

Well...  Two things.

- Xiphos was renamed, consciously and deliberately, at the point when we
  were preparing to release 3.0, the major thrust of which was the port
  to Win32.  The old name was a source of huge confusion, both because
  Windows users have no context in which to view "GNOME" and there are
  already far too many Bible packages using the name Sword.  Weirdest
  was the realization that the old name made some people think it was a
  Dungeons&Dragons game.

- I wouldn't call it piggybacking.  At its base, The Sword Project
  provides a library layer upon which the applications build.  You can
  call it piggybacking if you really want, but if you do, then I hope
  you'll also describe Evolution as piggybacking on GTK...which I doubt.

Of the set listed, all but one -- Xiphos, Alkitab, BibleTime,
BibleDesktop, BPBible, and "The SWORD Project for Windows" (sigh) -- are
all Sword-based and -supported programs.  This leads to a certain level
of similarity among them, though the similarity is on how content is
handled, not in (say) layout.  Alkitab and BibleDesktop are java-based,
meaning they use JSword as their base, being a Java re-implementation of
the Sword library, which kinda inherently always lags development of the
Sword library a bit, though not seriously, as far as I'm aware.

As I mentioned last week, the big difference among such programs is a
concept that we often refer to as workflow, that is, how the program
expects the user to interact with the idea of studying scripture.

> Has anyone tried one of these (latter 4)?  I do my studies the
> old-fashioned way, i.e., use Bibletime and a blank text editor (to
> write note) - maybe I need to dig the bible more.  I don't have time
> now - got to get the US taxes done - but when I have time I may look
> further.  But I'm just wondering if any of you had experience with any
> of these codes.

I've used all of them except BPBible, at least briefly for the sake of
comparison.  They'll all do the job of facilitating your study; where
you will find one preferable over another will be where there is special
features such as layout, available authoring tools, comparison views,
special content support, and handling of unusual markup.  That kind of
personal preference can't be summarized very well -- you have to see it
in action.

Support for interesting features varies a lot.  Since all but one are
Sword Project programs, let me suggest this page (again) as a fast
overview of differences among them:

http://crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_SWORD_program

It's a tabular list of categories with matrices ordered by program and
capabilities within the category.  Quite useful, yet always incomplete
due to ongoing development, and now especially with the recent addition
of PocketSword (iPhone app) to the list -- lots of blank boxes there
until its author gets around to filling it in fully.  I'll take some
personal enjoyment in observing that there is a great deal of green
running down the rightmost side of all those tables.

Overt plug: Since you mention using a text editor for notes, I must
observe that Xiphos' support for both personal commentary and general
journal editing is unmatched by the others.  Right-click on
Prayerlists/Journals, and you can create your own editable module -- 5
templates from which to work, from a mere mental Post-It note to journal
formats to fully-outlined content, using a built-in WYSIWYG editor,
including ability to create linkages internally to other Sword resources
(Bible verses, or references into general books).

As to which is truly best for you...the best bet is simply to try them
all, since they're all free.  Ten minutes of experimentation apiece will
cost you barely an hour, from which to form a good opinion.

From gorkon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 07:57:00 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:57:00 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <vxkiq8a6pgx.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
	<8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
	<vxkiq8a6pgx.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
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Does anyone just have a desktop app for accessing Biblegateway.com?
This could get around the copyright issues considering I can't find my
favorite translation in a SWORD format even for purchase!


On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org> wrote:
> shengchieh at linuxmail.org writes:
>> Xiphos is just GNOME SWORD. ?Bible time and Xiphos "piggyback" on the
>> SWORD project.
>
> Well... ?Two things.
>
> - Xiphos was renamed, consciously and deliberately, at the point when we
> ?were preparing to release 3.0, the major thrust of which was the port
> ?to Win32. ?The old name was a source of huge confusion, both because
> ?Windows users have no context in which to view "GNOME" and there are
> ?already far too many Bible packages using the name Sword. ?Weirdest
> ?was the realization that the old name made some people think it was a
> ?Dungeons&Dragons game.
>
> - I wouldn't call it piggybacking. ?At its base, The Sword Project
> ?provides a library layer upon which the applications build. ?You can
> ?call it piggybacking if you really want, but if you do, then I hope
> ?you'll also describe Evolution as piggybacking on GTK...which I doubt.
>
> Of the set listed, all but one -- Xiphos, Alkitab, BibleTime,
> BibleDesktop, BPBible, and "The SWORD Project for Windows" (sigh) -- are
> all Sword-based and -supported programs. ?This leads to a certain level
> of similarity among them, though the similarity is on how content is
> handled, not in (say) layout. ?Alkitab and BibleDesktop are java-based,
> meaning they use JSword as their base, being a Java re-implementation of
> the Sword library, which kinda inherently always lags development of the
> Sword library a bit, though not seriously, as far as I'm aware.
>
> As I mentioned last week, the big difference among such programs is a
> concept that we often refer to as workflow, that is, how the program
> expects the user to interact with the idea of studying scripture.
>
>> Has anyone tried one of these (latter 4)? ?I do my studies the
>> old-fashioned way, i.e., use Bibletime and a blank text editor (to
>> write note) - maybe I need to dig the bible more. ?I don't have time
>> now - got to get the US taxes done - but when I have time I may look
>> further. ?But I'm just wondering if any of you had experience with any
>> of these codes.
>
> I've used all of them except BPBible, at least briefly for the sake of
> comparison. ?They'll all do the job of facilitating your study; where
> you will find one preferable over another will be where there is special
> features such as layout, available authoring tools, comparison views,
> special content support, and handling of unusual markup. ?That kind of
> personal preference can't be summarized very well -- you have to see it
> in action.
>
> Support for interesting features varies a lot. ?Since all but one are
> Sword Project programs, let me suggest this page (again) as a fast
> overview of differences among them:
>
> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Choosing_a_SWORD_program
>
> It's a tabular list of categories with matrices ordered by program and
> capabilities within the category. ?Quite useful, yet always incomplete
> due to ongoing development, and now especially with the recent addition
> of PocketSword (iPhone app) to the list -- lots of blank boxes there
> until its author gets around to filling it in fully. ?I'll take some
> personal enjoyment in observing that there is a great deal of green
> running down the rightmost side of all those tables.
>
> Overt plug: Since you mention using a text editor for notes, I must
> observe that Xiphos' support for both personal commentary and general
> journal editing is unmatched by the others. ?Right-click on
> Prayerlists/Journals, and you can create your own editable module -- 5
> templates from which to work, from a mere mental Post-It note to journal
> formats to fully-outlined content, using a built-in WYSIWYG editor,
> including ability to create linkages internally to other Sword resources
> (Bible verses, or references into general books).
>
> As to which is truly best for you...the best bet is simply to try them
> all, since they're all free. ?Ten minutes of experimentation apiece will
> cost you barely an hour, from which to form a good opinion.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From karl at kleinpaste.org  Fri Apr  2 08:33:22 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 08:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <m2j6dd08b11004020457yf5266f7ax5961559669f4be6d@mail.gmail.com>
	(Joel Mclaughlin's message of "Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:57:00 -0400")
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
	<8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
	<vxkiq8a6pgx.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
	<m2j6dd08b11004020457yf5266f7ax5961559669f4be6d@mail.gmail.com>
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Joel Mclaughlin <gorkon at gmail.com> writes:
> ...considering I can't find my
> favorite translation in a SWORD format even for purchase!

One of our biggest frustrations is some publishers' unwillingness even
to negotiate for access to their texts, for conversion to Sword Project
format.  For example...

Last summer, I made contact with the RSV/NRSV folks, filled out their
application/info form in exacting detail...then 6 weeks later I got back
this terse reply:

| We appreciate your interest in making the RSV/NRSV available as
| modules for the Sword Project.  However, at this time, we do not
| authorize any open source uses of the RSV/NRSV.  God's blessings on
| your ministry.

In other words, "go 'way, kid, ya bug me."

International Bible Society (NIV copyright holder) won't even pay us the
respect of _acknowledging_ us.  Similar (lack of) reaction from some
other publishers, like Thomas Nelson (NKJV).

NASB, at least, will be available "soon," for sale as locked modules
from Lockman Foundation, with Strong's markup, and including their
Heb/Grk lexicons.  Also LBLA (Spanish), from Lockman as well.

I used to make available scripts I wrote which would scrape BibleGateway
and CrossWalk, but too many people mis-used those, so I took them out of
public view.  The few ruin it for the many, *sigh*.

From gorkon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 08:53:28 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 08:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <vxkwrwq11bh.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
	<8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
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	<m2j6dd08b11004020457yf5266f7ax5961559669f4be6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<vxkwrwq11bh.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
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My thinking was NIV was owned by Zondervan????

The Message is owned by Think Press and Eugene Peterson.

The worst part is on both of these translations, I would PAY for it.
I would even pay twice what I paid for the Kindle versions (9.99 I
think is what I paid).

This is why I gave up on SWORD and use Biblegateway.com for study and
Bible quoting on my computer.  The rest of the time I use my Kindle
which brings up another problem.  Not ONE translation has the Bible
indexed such that you could enter a search like John 3:16 and have it
pull up that verse on the Kindle or any ebook format.  Some, like the
NIV, have a table of contents and each verse is linked to, but it's
klunky and slow to look anything up while in a service.

I attribute both of these problems to the publishers who want to
profit from selling you software to study my favorite set of
books....the Bible in all of it's translations.



On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org> wrote:
> Joel Mclaughlin <gorkon at gmail.com> writes:
>> ...considering I can't find my
>> favorite translation in a SWORD format even for purchase!
>
> One of our biggest frustrations is some publishers' unwillingness even
> to negotiate for access to their texts, for conversion to Sword Project
> format. ?For example...
>
> Last summer, I made contact with the RSV/NRSV folks, filled out their
> application/info form in exacting detail...then 6 weeks later I got back
> this terse reply:
>
> | We appreciate your interest in making the RSV/NRSV available as
> | modules for the Sword Project. ?However, at this time, we do not
> | authorize any open source uses of the RSV/NRSV. ?God's blessings on
> | your ministry.
>
> In other words, "go 'way, kid, ya bug me."
>
> International Bible Society (NIV copyright holder) won't even pay us the
> respect of _acknowledging_ us. ?Similar (lack of) reaction from some
> other publishers, like Thomas Nelson (NKJV).
>
> NASB, at least, will be available "soon," for sale as locked modules
> from Lockman Foundation, with Strong's markup, and including their
> Heb/Grk lexicons. ?Also LBLA (Spanish), from Lockman as well.
>
> I used to make available scripts I wrote which would scrape BibleGateway
> and CrossWalk, but too many people mis-used those, so I took them out of
> public view. ?The few ruin it for the many, *sigh*.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



-- 
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Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr  2 11:38:57 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
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Is the NET Bible in Sword?

I haven't paid much attention since a simple search on the NET site
bible.org gets me everything I need & Internet access is pretty easy
to come by almost anywhere these days.

I never use the NIV or Message so am not familiar with their profit-
from-God's-Word strategies.

 > Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
> My thinking was NIV was owned by Zondervan????
>
> The Message is owned by Think Press and Eugene Peterson.
>
> The worst part is on both of these translations, I would PAY for it.
> I would even pay twice what I paid for the Kindle versions (9.99 I
> think is what I paid).

-- 

"Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
http://bethelstatesboro.org
Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr  2 11:50:00 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:50:00 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
Message-ID: <4BB61228.1050008@bibleseven.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom

Good Friday is called that because it is the day that 
Jesus took our sins to the tree to set us free.

Here is a way to honor His gift -- He didn't suffer 
and die for nothing you see.

Choose something with a cross on it; a picture, a 
piece of jewelry, or an actual cross.

Take a small piece of paper and write on it something 
that has been troubling you, something you have done or 
that was done to you, something from the past for which 
you feel guilt or shame but something that you cannot 
change.

As you look at your symbolic cross -- imagine Jesus 
there looking down at you with eyes of love, the broken 
body of a man but with power from above.

Pray something like this:

"Jesus, this burden has weighed me down for too long, 
I've tried to break free but I am just not that strong."

"When I was saved the old passed away so I give this to 
you -- please take it away.  I forgive myself and I 
forgive the other, if they are not saved please make 
them a sister or brother."

"The person I was not longer exists, I'm made new every 
morning and I thank you for this."

"I have confessed and asked forgiveness, this sin's nailed 
to the tree, "... as far as the East from the West" that 
sin is separated from me. "

"Thank you Lord for the Cross, that old tree, I won't pick 
up that sin, it no longer belongs to me."

"When the Enemy brings memories of guilt and of shame,
I'll tell him I'm Your child and to return whence he came!"

Amen

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


-- 

"Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
http://bethelstatesboro.org
Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From gorkon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 11:08:35 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:08:35 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <4BB60F91.2090007@bibleseven.com>
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I look at it this way...Peterson put some CONSIDERABLE work and
definitely deserves some cash for it.  Zondervan the others do too.
It's what they do with it after words that might be questionable.
Does Zondervan take their profits and put to Godly uses?

A little research....

Zondervan - NIV

Hugely encouraged by what they put on their web page:
http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Company/Facts/Our+Mission.htm?QueryStringSite=Zondervan

That still doesn't say what they do with their profits, but if they
use it for Godly uses, there's no problem as far as I am concerned.

NavPress (under Th1nk Books) - NIV

They too seem to have Godly interests in mind.
http://www.navpress.com/OurStory.aspx

They are a division of the Christian organization called The Navigators.

Lot's can be said about this, but I find nothing wrong.

What I do have a problem with is how tightly they hold on to these
translations.  I don't mind paying.  I just want the OPTION of using a
free program.  I will pay for the Bibles.





> I never use the NIV or Message so am not familiar with their profit-
> from-God's-Word strategies.
>
>> Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
>>
>> My thinking was NIV was owned by Zondervan????
>>
>> The Message is owned by Think Press and Eugene Peterson.
>>
>> The worst part is on both of these translations, I would PAY for it.
>> I would even pay twice what I paid for the Kindle versions (9.99 I
>> think is what I paid).
>
> --
>
> "Learning to love like Jesus." ?Eph. 4:2
> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! ?Pastor David
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
> http://bethelstatesboro.org
> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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joel at geardiary.com
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From karl at kleinpaste.org  Fri Apr  2 11:17:45 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:17:45 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <g2h6dd08b11004020553teb91ce4cxaffd77633a6c53d1@mail.gmail.com>
	(Joel Mclaughlin's message of "Fri, 2 Apr 2010 08:53:28 -0400")
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
	<8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
	<vxkiq8a6pgx.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
	<m2j6dd08b11004020457yf5266f7ax5961559669f4be6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<vxkwrwq11bh.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
	<g2h6dd08b11004020553teb91ce4cxaffd77633a6c53d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <vxkfx3d289y.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>

Joel Mclaughlin <gorkon at gmail.com> writes:
> My thinking was NIV was owned by Zondervan????

No.  Owned by International Bible Society (http://www.ibs.org -- see
"NIV family of Bibles in left column), published by arrangement with
Zondervan.  IBS is in control, Zondervan converts trees to pulp & ink.
Copyright statement observes:

| The "NIV" and "New International Version" trademarks are registered in
| the United States Patent and Trademark Office by International Bible
| Society.  Use of either trademark requires the permission of
| International Bible Society.

And BTW...I just realized where the URL took me.  IBS has apparently
changed name, to Biblica, and the website auto-redirects.  "IBS-STL
Becomes Biblica," with news release.  Hm, that's new, as of last year.

> The worst part is on both of these translations, I would PAY for it.
> I would even pay twice what I paid for the Kindle versions (9.99 I
> think is what I paid).

When I first bumped into Sword Project applications 4 years ago, I was
looking for NIV and NASB myself, found neither, yet I too would have
gladly paid for them.  OTOH, if I had simply found them available, I
might not have gotten so deeply involved with Sword.

> I attribute both of these problems to the publishers who want to
> profit from selling you software to study my favorite set of
> books....the Bible in all of it's translations.

Should I offer commentary on the fact that ibs.ORG has become
biblica.COM?

In all seriousness, I'm as nearly as capitalist as Ayn Rand, but for
pity's sake, CrossWire _BIBLE_ Society, where The Sword Project is
homed, exists to distribute *Bibles*.  Why do the publishers not want to
engage us?

Pastor David <pastordavid at bibleseven.com> writes:
> Is the NET Bible in Sword?

Yes, in several flavors, both free and for-fee.

Free NET has crippled notes, approximately "all notes in first chapter
of each book, and first 3 notes of subsequent chapters in each book."

"Premium" NET has full notes.

Also, they offer the notes as separate commentary modules, so that you
don't have to put up with previewer (Xiphos, BibleTime) or floater
windows (other Sword apps) to read some of those huge footnotes.  The
notes are big and detailed enough to justify being their own book, so
bible.org offers them that way.  So I think the best method is to use
NETtext with NETnotes.  As the name suggests, NETtext is just the text,
with footnotes consisting of just the footnote numbers as found in
NETnotes, which then tracks alongside in a commentary window.

The same unlock key opens both premium modules, NET and NETnotes.

In case this wasn't clear, the short summary of what's available is:
NET          premium module, full notes content
NETfree      free module, crippled notes
NETtext      free module, no notes, just note numbers as reference
NETnotes     premium module, full notes
NETnotesfree free module, crippled notes

In Xiphos, default module manager configuration already provides access
to the bible.org module repository, so you can just pick up the modules
there, but you must surf bible.org in order to get to the place where
you purchase the unlock key.  Not sure about other Sword Project apps.

> I never use the NIV or Message so am not familiar with their profit-
> from-God's-Word strategies.

I am OK with paying for work done, and that's what translators do and
what Bible societies provide, including bible.org (home of NET), BTW.

I am not OK with restrictions on use that keep me from pushing the Bible
around farther and farther, the way I/we have been told to do.  I cannot
contribute to the making of disciples if I cannot give them Bibles to read.

From daustin at bible.org  Fri Apr  2 11:30:16 2010
From: daustin at bible.org (David Austin (bghp))
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 10:30:16 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux4christians Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1270208976.3307.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <mailman.0.1270208976.3307.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4BB60D88.8020702@bible.org>

the question was asked what bible programs do you use..
i use the NET Bible study http://netbible.org
and for linux sword program  i have added the NET Bible module 
www.bible.org/downloads

From bstaggs at staggs.net  Fri Apr  2 11:42:45 2010
From: bstaggs at staggs.net (Billy F. Staggs)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <4BB60F91.2090007@bibleseven.com>
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>	<8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>	<vxkiq8a6pgx.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>	<m2j6dd08b11004020457yf5266f7ax5961559669f4be6d@mail.gmail.com>	<vxkwrwq11bh.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org><g2h6dd08b11004020553teb91ce4cxaffd77633a6c53d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BB60F91.2090007@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <001801cad27b$24035910$6c0a0b30$@net>

Yes the NET Bible is available for e-Sword.

http://bible.org/downloads

--
Bstaggs <><

-----Original Message-----
From: linux4christians-bounces at thelinuxlink.net
[mailto:linux4christians-bounces at thelinuxlink.net] On Behalf Of Pastor David
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:39 AM
To: Linux for Christians
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?

Is the NET Bible in Sword?

I haven't paid much attention since a simple search on the NET site
bible.org gets me everything I need & Internet access is pretty easy
to come by almost anywhere these days.

I never use the NIV or Message so am not familiar with their profit-
from-God's-Word strategies.

 > Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
> My thinking was NIV was owned by Zondervan????
>
> The Message is owned by Think Press and Eugene Peterson.
>
> The worst part is on both of these translations, I would PAY for it.
> I would even pay twice what I paid for the Kindle versions (9.99 I
> think is what I paid).

-- 

"Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
http://bethelstatesboro.org
Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

_______________________________________________
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From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  2 12:00:20 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:00:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
Message-ID: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi folks,

Has any folk tried Bible desktop;
http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/

I failed to install it.

Ubuntu 9.10 64bit

I have bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz download and decompressed.

cd jsword-1.6/
$ ls
BibleDesktop128.gif         commons-net-1.4.1.jar  jsword-common-1.6.jar
bibledesktop-1.6.jar        gpl.txt                jsword-common-aqua-1.0.6.jar
BibleDesktop.bat            icon132.gif            jsword-common-swing-1.6.jar
BibleDesktop.exe            icon16.gif             lcp.bat
BibleDesktop.ico            icon32.gif             lucene-analyzers-2.3.2.jar
bibledesktop.jnlp           icon64.gif             lucene-core-2.3.2.jar
BibleDesktop.sh             javatar-2.5.jar        lucene-snowball-2.3.2.jar
commons-codec-1.3.jar       jdom-1.0.jar           PortableBibleDesktop.exe
commons-httpclient-3.1.jar  jlfgr-1_0.jar
commons-logging-1.1.1.jar   jsword-1.6.jar

$ sudo chmod +x BibleDesktop.sh 
$ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh 
Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
  We cannot execute java

Is this package unable to be installed on 64bit OS?  OR how to fix the problem.  TIA


B.R.
SL

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

From gorkon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 12:05:23 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:05:23 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
In-Reply-To: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v2z6dd08b11004020905t7445599fs60ea68fbcd9e3c64@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have JAVA_HOME set??  You may need to add it to your .profile.



On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Has any folk tried Bible desktop;
> http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/
>
> I failed to install it.
>
> Ubuntu 9.10 64bit
>
> I have bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz download and decompressed.
>
> cd jsword-1.6/
> $ ls
> BibleDesktop128.gif ? ? ? ? commons-net-1.4.1.jar ?jsword-common-1.6.jar
> bibledesktop-1.6.jar ? ? ? ?gpl.txt ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?jsword-common-aqua-1.0.6.jar
> BibleDesktop.bat ? ? ? ? ? ?icon132.gif ? ? ? ? ? ?jsword-common-swing-1.6.jar
> BibleDesktop.exe ? ? ? ? ? ?icon16.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lcp.bat
> BibleDesktop.ico ? ? ? ? ? ?icon32.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lucene-analyzers-2.3.2.jar
> bibledesktop.jnlp ? ? ? ? ? icon64.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lucene-core-2.3.2.jar
> BibleDesktop.sh ? ? ? ? ? ? javatar-2.5.jar ? ? ? ?lucene-snowball-2.3.2.jar
> commons-codec-1.3.jar ? ? ? jdom-1.0.jar ? ? ? ? ? PortableBibleDesktop.exe
> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar ?jlfgr-1_0.jar
> commons-logging-1.1.1.jar ? jsword-1.6.jar
>
> $ sudo chmod +x BibleDesktop.sh
> $ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh
> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
> ?We cannot execute java
>
> Is this package unable to be installed on 64bit OS? ?OR how to fix the problem. ?TIA
>
>
> B.R.
> SL
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Life in Ohio Podcast
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gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From karl at kleinpaste.org  Fri Apr  2 12:15:37 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:15:37 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Linux4christians Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <4BB60D88.8020702@bible.org> (David Austin's message of "Fri, 02
	Apr 2010 10:30:16 -0500")
References: <mailman.0.1270208976.3307.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
	<4BB60D88.8020702@bible.org>
Message-ID: <vxk8w9525li.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>

"David Austin (bghp)" <daustin at bible.org> writes:
> www.bible.org/downloads

Unfortunately your link there takes the user only to the original
Windows program's download.  It would be better if you could update the
link to use this instead:

http://crosswire.org/applications.jsp

That will give the user the catalog of applications available for all
platforms.

From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  2 12:48:28 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:48:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
In-Reply-To: <v2z6dd08b11004020905t7445599fs60ea68fbcd9e3c64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<v2z6dd08b11004020905t7445599fs60ea68fbcd9e3c64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <254928.30725.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Joel



> Do you have JAVA_HOME set??  You may need to add it to your .profile.

Please explain in more detail how to make it?  TIA

B.R.
SL



On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Has any folk tried Bible desktop;
> http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/
>
> I failed to install it.
>
> Ubuntu 9.10 64bit
>
> I have bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz download and decompressed.
>
> cd jsword-1.6/
> $ ls
> BibleDesktop128.gif         commons-net-1.4.1.jar  jsword-common-1.6.jar
> bibledesktop-1.6.jar        gpl.txt                jsword-common-aqua-1.0.6.jar
> BibleDesktop.bat            icon132.gif            jsword-common-swing-1.6.jar
> BibleDesktop.exe            icon16.gif             lcp.bat
> BibleDesktop.ico            icon32.gif             lucene-analyzers-2.3.2.jar
> bibledesktop.jnlp           icon64.gif             lucene-core-2.3.2.jar
> BibleDesktop.sh             javatar-2.5.jar        lucene-snowball-2.3.2.jar
> commons-codec-1.3.jar       jdom-1.0.jar           PortableBibleDesktop.exe
> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar  jlfgr-1_0.jar
> commons-logging-1.1.1.jar   jsword-1.6.jar
>
> $ sudo chmod +x BibleDesktop.sh
> $ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh
> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>  We cannot execute java
>
> Is this package unable to be installed on 64bit OS?  OR how to fix the problem.  TIA
>
>
> B.R.
> SL
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



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Life in Ohio Podcast
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gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 12:52:14 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:52:14 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
In-Reply-To: <254928.30725.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<v2z6dd08b11004020905t7445599fs60ea68fbcd9e3c64@mail.gmail.com>
	<254928.30725.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <x2g6dd08b11004020952u3c9d5fefzfe09ac1618ebdc8c@mail.gmail.com>

Let me download the app and see if I can figure it out.  Are you new
to Linux Stephen?  That may help me help you.  :D



On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Joel
>
>
>
>> Do you have JAVA_HOME set?? ?You may need to add it to your .profile.
>
> Please explain in more detail how to make it? ?TIA
>
> B.R.
> SL
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Has any folk tried Bible desktop;
>> http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/
>>
>> I failed to install it.
>>
>> Ubuntu 9.10 64bit
>>
>> I have bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz download and decompressed.
>>
>> cd jsword-1.6/
>> $ ls
>> BibleDesktop128.gif ? ? ? ? commons-net-1.4.1.jar ?jsword-common-1.6.jar
>> bibledesktop-1.6.jar ? ? ? ?gpl.txt ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?jsword-common-aqua-1.0.6.jar
>> BibleDesktop.bat ? ? ? ? ? ?icon132.gif ? ? ? ? ? ?jsword-common-swing-1.6.jar
>> BibleDesktop.exe ? ? ? ? ? ?icon16.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lcp.bat
>> BibleDesktop.ico ? ? ? ? ? ?icon32.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lucene-analyzers-2.3.2.jar
>> bibledesktop.jnlp ? ? ? ? ? icon64.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lucene-core-2.3.2.jar
>> BibleDesktop.sh ? ? ? ? ? ? javatar-2.5.jar ? ? ? ?lucene-snowball-2.3.2.jar
>> commons-codec-1.3.jar ? ? ? jdom-1.0.jar ? ? ? ? ? PortableBibleDesktop.exe
>> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar ?jlfgr-1_0.jar
>> commons-logging-1.1.1.jar ? jsword-1.6.jar
>>
>> $ sudo chmod +x BibleDesktop.sh
>> $ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh
>> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>> ?We cannot execute java
>>
>> Is this package unable to be installed on 64bit OS? ?OR how to fix the problem. ?TIA
>>
>>
>> B.R.
>> SL
>>
>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux4christians mailing list
>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Joel McLaughlin
> Life in Ohio Podcast
> life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
> gorkon at gmail.com
> http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
> joel at geardiary.com
> geardiary.com
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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Life in Ohio Podcast
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gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From gorkon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 13:01:30 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 13:01:30 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
In-Reply-To: <x2g6dd08b11004020952u3c9d5fefzfe09ac1618ebdc8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<v2z6dd08b11004020905t7445599fs60ea68fbcd9e3c64@mail.gmail.com>
	<254928.30725.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<x2g6dd08b11004020952u3c9d5fefzfe09ac1618ebdc8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r2q6dd08b11004021001i4c4e5e1cyf046914937049cc7@mail.gmail.com>

OK....I was able to get it working with no work.  What distro are you
running??  I am running Ubuntu Lucid Beta 1.  All I did was uncompress
it, make the script file executable and run it from the UI (double
click on script and click run on the dialog that pops up).

You will also have to have Java loaded??



On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Joel Mclaughlin <gorkon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me download the app and see if I can figure it out. ?Are you new
> to Linux Stephen? ?That may help me help you. ?:D
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>> Do you have JAVA_HOME set?? ?You may need to add it to your .profile.
>>
>> Please explain in more detail how to make it? ?TIA
>>
>> B.R.
>> SL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Has any folk tried Bible desktop;
>>> http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/
>>>
>>> I failed to install it.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu 9.10 64bit
>>>
>>> I have bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz download and decompressed.
>>>
>>> cd jsword-1.6/
>>> $ ls
>>> BibleDesktop128.gif ? ? ? ? commons-net-1.4.1.jar ?jsword-common-1.6.jar
>>> bibledesktop-1.6.jar ? ? ? ?gpl.txt ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?jsword-common-aqua-1.0.6.jar
>>> BibleDesktop.bat ? ? ? ? ? ?icon132.gif ? ? ? ? ? ?jsword-common-swing-1.6.jar
>>> BibleDesktop.exe ? ? ? ? ? ?icon16.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lcp.bat
>>> BibleDesktop.ico ? ? ? ? ? ?icon32.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lucene-analyzers-2.3.2.jar
>>> bibledesktop.jnlp ? ? ? ? ? icon64.gif ? ? ? ? ? ? lucene-core-2.3.2.jar
>>> BibleDesktop.sh ? ? ? ? ? ? javatar-2.5.jar ? ? ? ?lucene-snowball-2.3.2.jar
>>> commons-codec-1.3.jar ? ? ? jdom-1.0.jar ? ? ? ? ? PortableBibleDesktop.exe
>>> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar ?jlfgr-1_0.jar
>>> commons-logging-1.1.1.jar ? jsword-1.6.jar
>>>
>>> $ sudo chmod +x BibleDesktop.sh
>>> $ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh
>>> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>>> ?We cannot execute java
>>>
>>> Is this package unable to be installed on 64bit OS? ?OR how to fix the problem. ?TIA
>>>
>>>
>>> B.R.
>>> SL
>>>
>>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux4christians mailing list
>>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joel McLaughlin
>> Life in Ohio Podcast
>> life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
>> gorkon at gmail.com
>> http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
>> joel at geardiary.com
>> geardiary.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  2 13:41:04 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
In-Reply-To: <x2g6dd08b11004020952u3c9d5fefzfe09ac1618ebdc8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<v2z6dd08b11004020905t7445599fs60ea68fbcd9e3c64@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20950.46287.qm@web113205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Joel,

$ which java
No printout

I don't have java installed.

After running;
$ sudo aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk

$ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh

Then it works asking to install the package.  But I can't install it.  However Bible Desktop starts.  Each time I have to repeat this step.

B.R.
SL






Let me download the app and see if I can figure it out.  Are you new
to Linux Stephen?  That may help me help you.  :D



On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Joel
>
>
>
>> Do you have JAVA_HOME set??  You may need to add it to your .profile.
>
> Please explain in more detail how to make it?  TIA
>
> B.R.
> SL
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Has any folk tried Bible desktop;
>> http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/
>>
>> I failed to install it.
>>
>> Ubuntu 9.10 64bit
>>
>> I have bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz download and decompressed.
>>
>> cd jsword-1.6/
>> $ ls
>> BibleDesktop128.gif         commons-net-1.4.1.jar  jsword-common-1.6.jar
>> bibledesktop-1.6.jar        gpl.txt                jsword-common-aqua-1.0.6.jar
>> BibleDesktop.bat            icon132.gif            jsword-common-swing-1.6.jar
>> BibleDesktop.exe            icon16.gif             lcp.bat
>> BibleDesktop.ico            icon32.gif             lucene-analyzers-2.3.2.jar
>> bibledesktop.jnlp           icon64.gif             lucene-core-2.3.2.jar
>> BibleDesktop.sh             javatar-2.5.jar        lucene-snowball-2.3.2.jar
>> commons-codec-1.3.jar       jdom-1.0.jar           PortableBibleDesktop.exe
>> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar  jlfgr-1_0.jar
>> commons-logging-1.1.1.jar   jsword-1.6.jar
>>
>> $ sudo chmod +x BibleDesktop.sh
>> $ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh
>> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>>  We cannot execute java
>>
>> Is this package unable to be installed on 64bit OS?  OR how to fix the problem.  TIA
>>
>>
>> B.R.
>> SL
>>
>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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>
>
>
> --
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From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  2 13:52:35 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 10:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
In-Reply-To: <r2q6dd08b11004021001i4c4e5e1cyf046914937049cc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319933.10172.qm@web113206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Joel,

I think I understand this package now.  First I need to install some bibles before running the package.  Each time I have to run;

$ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh

starting this package reading bibles.  

This package named "Bible Desktop" is NOT going to replace Gnome desktop.  If I'm wrong please correct me.  Thanks

B.R.
SL



----- Original Message ----
From: Joel Mclaughlin <gorkon at gmail.com>
To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 1:01:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop

OK....I was able to get it working with no work.  What distro are you
running??  I am running Ubuntu Lucid Beta 1.  All I did was uncompress
it, make the script file executable and run it from the UI (double
click on script and click run on the dialog that pops up).

You will also have to have Java loaded??



On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Joel Mclaughlin <gorkon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me download the app and see if I can figure it out.  Are you new
> to Linux Stephen?  That may help me help you.  :D
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>> Do you have JAVA_HOME set??  You may need to add it to your .profile.
>>
>> Please explain in more detail how to make it?  TIA
>>
>> B.R.
>> SL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Has any folk tried Bible desktop;
>>> http://www.crosswire.org/bibledesktop/
>>>
>>> I failed to install it.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu 9.10 64bit
>>>
>>> I have bibledesktop-latest-bin.tar.gz download and decompressed.
>>>
>>> cd jsword-1.6/
>>> $ ls
>>> BibleDesktop128.gif         commons-net-1.4.1.jar  jsword-common-1.6.jar
>>> bibledesktop-1.6.jar        gpl.txt                jsword-common-aqua-1.0.6.jar
>>> BibleDesktop.bat            icon132.gif            jsword-common-swing-1.6.jar
>>> BibleDesktop.exe            icon16.gif             lcp.bat
>>> BibleDesktop.ico            icon32.gif             lucene-analyzers-2.3.2.jar
>>> bibledesktop.jnlp           icon64.gif             lucene-core-2.3.2.jar
>>> BibleDesktop.sh             javatar-2.5.jar        lucene-snowball-2.3.2.jar
>>> commons-codec-1.3.jar       jdom-1.0.jar           PortableBibleDesktop.exe
>>> commons-httpclient-3.1.jar  jlfgr-1_0.jar
>>> commons-logging-1.1.1.jar   jsword-1.6.jar
>>>
>>> $ sudo chmod +x BibleDesktop.sh
>>> $ sudo ./BibleDesktop.sh
>>> Error: JAVA_HOME is not defined correctly.
>>>  We cannot execute java
>>>
>>> Is this package unable to be installed on 64bit OS?  OR how to fix the problem.  TIA
>>>
>>>
>>> B.R.
>>> SL
>>>
>>> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>



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From htgage3 at chartermi.net  Fri Apr  2 15:35:21 2010
From: htgage3 at chartermi.net (htgage3 at chartermi.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:35:21 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
In-Reply-To: <4BB61228.1050008@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <20100402153521.T75GV.4049084.root@mp07>

Can you give me scriptural evidence that Christ was put on the cross on Friday? 

I'm really wanting to know and learn!


TIA

Taz


---- Pastor David <pastordavid at bibleseven.com> wrote: 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
> 
> Good Friday is called that because it is the day that 
> Jesus took our sins to the tree to set us free.
> 
> Here is a way to honor His gift -- He didn't suffer 
> and die for nothing you see.
> 
> Choose something with a cross on it; a picture, a 
> piece of jewelry, or an actual cross.
> 
> Take a small piece of paper and write on it something 
> that has been troubling you, something you have done or 
> that was done to you, something from the past for which 
> you feel guilt or shame but something that you cannot 
> change.
> 
> As you look at your symbolic cross -- imagine Jesus 
> there looking down at you with eyes of love, the broken 
> body of a man but with power from above.
> 
> Pray something like this:
> 
> "Jesus, this burden has weighed me down for too long, 
> I've tried to break free but I am just not that strong."
> 
> "When I was saved the old passed away so I give this to 
> you -- please take it away.  I forgive myself and I 
> forgive the other, if they are not saved please make 
> them a sister or brother."
> 
> "The person I was not longer exists, I'm made new every 
> morning and I thank you for this."
> 
> "I have confessed and asked forgiveness, this sin's nailed 
> to the tree, "... as far as the East from the West" that 
> sin is separated from me. "
> 
> "Thank you Lord for the Cross, that old tree, I won't pick 
> up that sin, it no longer belongs to me."
> 
> "When the Enemy brings memories of guilt and of shame,
> I'll tell him I'm Your child and to return whence he came!"
> 
> Amen
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> "Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
> http://bethelstatesboro.org
> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr  2 16:42:10 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 16:01:41 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:01:41 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Unable to install Bible desktop
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Oh yes!  They did a great job.

On Apr 2, 2010 3:45 PM, "Pastor David" <pastordavid at bibleseven.com> wrote:

 Hey Brother Joel,

    I just heard that Puppy is coming out with a "Honey I shrunk the distro"
version of Lucid ...

    Do you like Lucid?

PD

> Joel Mclaughlin wrote: OK....I was able to get it working with no


> work.  What distro are you running??  I am running Ubuntu Lucid Beta
> 1.


-- 

"Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
http://bethelstatesboro.org
Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Fri Apr  2 17:36:35 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 17:36:35 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
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Pastor David wrote:
> To paraphrase Bill Clinton "It depends what your definition of Friday is."
> :-)
> 
> Seriously, I am uncertain that it matters, it's really the principle or the
> message that is worth your time.
> 
> Or as one wag put it:  "It's like asking how many angels can dance on
> the head of a pin.  Depending on whom you ask it may be moot since
> some doctrine would have it that angels are not allowed to dance!"
> 

I dunno David, I would have given the same answer!

-- 
-Rev. Linc

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr  2 22:27:38 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:27:38 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 26:36-46, Mark 14:32-42,
	Luke 22:39-46 (Saturday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 21:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
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From bstaggs at staggs.net  Sat Apr  3 01:23:36 2010
From: bstaggs at staggs.net (Billy F. Staggs)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 00:23:36 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
In-Reply-To: <20100402153521.T75GV.4049084.root@mp07>
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No I can't because I don't believe the Bible teaches that, men do but I
believe they do so in error.  Now before someone calls me a heretic, let me
say that I am in no way question the Sinless Life, Death, Burial or
Resurrection of our Lord.  Nor do I believe that we should start a crusade
to change the Holiday "Good Friday" to something different, anymore than I
would try to discredit Christmas because the 25th of December is probably
not the correct day our Lord was actually born. That said, here are MY
thoughts.

Matthew 12:38-40 (NKJV)
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we
want to see a sign from You." 
39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and  adulterous generation
seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the
prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly
of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth.

Even His enemies understood what He said:

Matthew 27:62-64 (NKJV)
62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests
and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, "Sir, we remember,
while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, 'After three days I will
rise.' 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third
day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and say to the
people, 'He has risen from the dead.' So the last deception will be worse
than the first."


Key text here is Matthew 12:40, "three days" AND "three nights".
Admittedly, my math skills may not be the best, but try as I may I can not
get 3 days AND 3 nights from Friday evening to Sunday morning. 


The assumption that the Lord was crucified on Friday comes from John 19:31:

John 19:31 (NKJV)
31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not
remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the
Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be
taken away.

Some have incorrectly concluded this to be a "weekly" Sabbath, however we
must remember that the day following the Passover is always a Sabbath day.
Notice the term "high day" which refers to the High Sabbath days. That is
the Sabbath day (regardless of what day of the week they fall on) of the
first and last days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, the Feast of Trumpets
and the Day of Atonement, and the first Day of the Feast of Tabernacles.

Leviticus 23:1-8 (NKJV)
23 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 "Speak to the children of Israel,
and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be
holy convocations, these are My feasts. 3 'Six days shall work be done, but
the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall
do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. 4
'These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall
proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first
month at twilight is the LORD's Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the
same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must
eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation;
you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made
by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy
convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.' "

Christ was crucified that the Passover so the next day would be a "Sabbath"
(Holy nonworking day, not necessarily a weekly Sabbath) regardless of what
day it falls.


The early Church decide to change the date of Passover (The Counsel of
Necea) and with the misunderstanding regarding the Sabbath after Passover,
people have been trying to fit 3 days and 3 nights from Friday (Good Friday)
to Sunday morning (Resurrection Sunday). It Just can NOT be done. If one
places the Feast days correctly, Wednesday fits the day of Passover very
well.


In ancient Jewish reckoning of time, the Evening precedes the Day. (Gen 1:5
"and the evening and the morning were the first day", etc)

"Possible" timeline for Crucifixion:
<Night 0> =  Wednesday night - Sunset (6:00pm) to Sunrise (6:00am)
Passover begins @ 6:00pm - Jesus' eats the Passover with Disciples (Matthew
26:17-19*) Garden experience, abduction, thru the night - recall that they
didn't want to kill Him on Passover, but He forced their hand (Matthew
26:1-5 & John 13:25-29, Caiaphas very nearly went past the evening deadline
for eating the Passover (John 18:28) (6:00am begins the Day following the
night of Passover), which is a violation of the law (Exodus 12:10) ) 

* - Don't let the phrase "the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread" in
Matthew 26:17 confuse you as this term "The Feast of Unleavened Bread" is
often use to refer to the 8 days of Passover and Unleavened Bread, much as
we us the term Holidays to prefer to both Christmas and New Years.  Notice
that in V19 it the Passover that is being prepared for although they have
called the day the first day of Unleavened Bread.


<Day 0>   =  Wednesday day - sunrise to sunset - NOT a Sabbath day
"Trails" early morning (Matthew 27:1) and Crucifixion on Passover "day" -
Crucified 9:00am (Mark 15:25)(time of the daily morning Sacrifice) 
Darkness from noon till 3:00pm (time of daily evening Sacrifice) when He
Dies (Matthew 27:45-50) 
Body must be removed before the High Sabbath of the first day of Unleavened
Bread (Mark 15:42-47)



<Night 1> =  Thursday night 
Jesus in the Grave before 6:00pm - 1st day of Unleavened Bread - High
Sabbath - first night in Grave

<Day 1>   =  Thursday day   - Jesus in Grave - first day in the Grave
<Night 2> =  Friday night   - Jesus in Grave - Second night in the Grave
<Day 2>   =  Friday day     - Jesus in Grave - second day in the Grave
<Night 3> =  Saturday night - Jesus in Grave - third night in the Grave
<Day 3>   =  Saturday day   - Jesus in Grave - third day in the Grave

3 days and 3 nights in Grave complete by 6:00am


<Day 4>   =  Sunday night - Firstfruits 
<Day 5>   =  Sunday day   - Empty Tomb is found (Matthew 28:1) - Sabbath
referred to here is the weekly Sabbath.

I have seen others give argument to a Thursday Crucifixion, but Wednesday
seem to fit better in my estimation.

Remember, you are for opinions right? :-)


--

Bstaggs <><



-----Original Message-----
From: linux4christians-bounces at thelinuxlink.net
[mailto:linux4christians-bounces at thelinuxlink.net] On Behalf Of
htgage3 at chartermi.net
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:35 PM
To: Linux for Christians; pastordavid at bibleseven.com
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom

Can you give me scriptural evidence that Christ was put on the cross on
Friday? 

I'm really wanting to know and learn!


TIA

Taz


---- Pastor David <pastordavid at bibleseven.com> wrote: 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
> 
> Good Friday is called that because it is the day that 
> Jesus took our sins to the tree to set us free.
> 
> Here is a way to honor His gift -- He didn't suffer 
> and die for nothing you see.
> 
> Choose something with a cross on it; a picture, a 
> piece of jewelry, or an actual cross.
> 
> Take a small piece of paper and write on it something 
> that has been troubling you, something you have done or 
> that was done to you, something from the past for which 
> you feel guilt or shame but something that you cannot 
> change.
> 
> As you look at your symbolic cross -- imagine Jesus 
> there looking down at you with eyes of love, the broken 
> body of a man but with power from above.
> 
> Pray something like this:
> 
> "Jesus, this burden has weighed me down for too long, 
> I've tried to break free but I am just not that strong."
> 
> "When I was saved the old passed away so I give this to 
> you -- please take it away.  I forgive myself and I 
> forgive the other, if they are not saved please make 
> them a sister or brother."
> 
> "The person I was not longer exists, I'm made new every 
> morning and I thank you for this."
> 
> "I have confessed and asked forgiveness, this sin's nailed 
> to the tree, "... as far as the East from the West" that 
> sin is separated from me. "
> 
> "Thank you Lord for the Cross, that old tree, I won't pick 
> up that sin, it no longer belongs to me."
> 
> "When the Enemy brings memories of guilt and of shame,
> I'll tell him I'm Your child and to return whence he came!"
> 
> Amen
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> "Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
> http://bethelstatesboro.org
> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sat Apr  3 12:27:56 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
In-Reply-To: <4BB6AC65.5020107@bibleseven.com>
References: <20100402173414.GR4YM.4024072.root@mp18>
	<4BB6AC65.5020107@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <4BB76C8C.4010605@lightlink.com>

On 04/02/2010 10:48 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> OK, I am momentarily a bit more sane ... maybe at least for a moment or
> two ...
>
> There are a few essential elements:
>
> 1.  One has to be a genuinely saved child of God or else the Holy
>     Spirit is not present to "remove the veils" and enlighten one to
>     the truth in God's Word.  (I say this humbly - He often causes
>     me to rewrite my sermons - so I get His message right.)
>
> 2.  One has to accept that God is alive and active and therefore
>     He defends the integrity of His Word.  (He didn't die after any
>     particular translation and He works past the imperfections of
>     every translation team whose hearts have been inclined toward
>     Him - that obviously eliminates the Book of Mormon, the JW
>     "bible", and some other cult books of religion.)

Correct! How many times has the Book of Mormon been rewritten
because of errors? True, there's not as much stupid stuff and errors
as there are in the Q'oran, but there's still plenty in it.
>
> 3.  Jesus fulfilled every single prophesy about Him - perfectly.
>
> 4.  Jesus is my redeemer and my redeemer lives.  (I don't really
>     much care what labels mere humans place on the "days" He
>     did His awesome work!)
>
> 5.  God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.  Simple but true.  :-)

Yes sir!!!

>
> Any "parsing" beyond that is for silly academics in seminaries --
> a place where I spent more time than I ever wanted to and found
> largely void of the faith of an Andrew Murray "Absolute Surrender".
>
> There is far too much time wasted on the arguments of anti-Biblical
> arrogant self-styled "intellectuals" with their "textual criticism" 
> nonsense.

Oh yes! What happened to ....."faith as a child."

>
> J. Vernon McGee spoke a profound truth when he said "Seminary is a
> terrible thing to do to a Christian."  That may not apply to all 
> seminaries
> but it sure does apply far more broadly and deeply than it should.
>
> I have pontificated far too much ...
>
> Recommended Reading:
>
> Absolute Surrender  (Must-read for every new believer - and most 
> oldies too!)
> Simple Church  (Essentially about good stewardship and intentional focus.)
> Pagan Christianity (Vital questions first 3/4 but gets a little 
> "eccentric" in the
>                                 last few chapters.  IMHO.)
>
> Back to my cave ...
>

Hehehehehehe........I'll be kind. ;)

Fred

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Apr  3 13:47:24 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
In-Reply-To: <001901cad2ed$d011ccb0$70356610$@net>
References: <4BB61228.1050008@bibleseven.com>	<20100402153521.T75GV.4049084.root@mp07>
	<001901cad2ed$d011ccb0$70356610$@net>
Message-ID: <4BB77F2C.6010606@bibleseven.com>

Yup, everyone has a right to their own opinion, but not to their
own facts (this isn't the US Congress or the Obama White House).

I have seen multiple arguments for multiple ways to label the
passage of time and the assignment of events - all from very
substantial scholars.

I'd have to make the time to look at it again because it's been
several years since I looked at this stuff.

For the moment I need to get the garden in and myself prepared
to lead our Easter Sunday celebrations ...

Perhaps late afternoon or early evening Sunday or Monday or Tuesday ...

> Remember, you are for opinions right? :-)
> --
> Bstaggs <><

-- 

"Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Senior Pastor (Interim) Bethel Missionary Baptist
http://bethelstatesboro.org
Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Apr  3 21:13:47 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 20:13:47 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 26:47-75, Mark 14:43-72, Luke 22:47-71,
	John 18:1-27 (Sunday)
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From jonathon.blake at gmail.com  Sun Apr  4 09:41:17 2010
From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 13:41:17 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
In-Reply-To: <4BB6AC65.5020107@bibleseven.com>
References: <20100402173414.GR4YM.4024072.root@mp18>
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Pastor David wrote:
> Pagan Christianity (Vital questions first 3/4 but gets a little "eccentric" in the last few chapters.  IMHO.)

There are at least two different books with that title.  Which one are
you referring to?

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Apr  4 13:40:07 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 12:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
In-Reply-To: <4BB896FD.5040905@gmail.com>
References: <20100402173414.GR4YM.4024072.root@mp18>	<4BB6AC65.5020107@bibleseven.com>
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Apr  4 21:02:35 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 27:1-31, Mark 15:1-20, Luke 23:1-25,
	John 18:28-19:16 (Monday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Apr  5 21:29:21 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 27:32-44, Mark 15:21-32, Luke 23:26-43,
	John 19:17-27 (Tuesday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr  5 21:15:42 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:15:42 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Do you know how the apostles died?
Message-ID: <4BBA8B3E.70908@lightlink.com>

Do you know how the apostles died?
1  Matthew
Suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia , killed by a sword wound
2  Mark
Died in Alexandria , Egypt , after being dragged by horses through the streets until he was dead.
3  Luke
Was hanged in Greece as a result of his tremendous preaching to the lost.
4  John
Faced martyrdom when he was boiled in huge basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecution in Rome . However, he was
miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on the prison island of Patmos . He wrote his prophetic
Book of Revelation on Patmos . The apostle John was later freed and returned to serve as Bishop of Edessa in modern Turkey ... He died as an old man, the only apostle to die peacefully.
5  Peter
He was crucified upside down on an x-shaped cross. According to church tradition it was because he told his tormentors that he
felt unworthy to die in the same way that Jesus Christ had died.
6  James
Just The leader of the church in Jerusalem, was thrown over a hundred feet down from the southeast pinnacle of the Temple
when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a fuller's club.
* This was the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the Temptation.
7  James the Great
Son of Zebedee, was a fisherman by trade when Jesus called him to a lifetime of ministry. As a strong leader
of the church, James was ultimately beheaded at Jerusalem . The Roman officer who guarded James watched amazed as James defended his faith at his trial. Later, the officer walked beside James to the place of execution. Overcome by conviction, he declared his new faith to the judge and knelt beside James to accept beheading as a Christian
8  Bartholomew
Also known as Nathaniel Was a missionary to Asia . He witnessed for our Lord in present day Turkey . Bartholomew was martyred for his preaching in Armenia where he was flayed to death by a whip.
9  Andrew
Was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Patras , Greece . After being whipped severely by seven soldiers they tied his body to
the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that, when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these
words: 'I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.' He continued to preach to his tormentors for two days until he expired.
10  Thomas
Was stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to establish the church in the sub-continent.
11  Jude
Was killed with arrows when he refused to deny his faith in Christ.
12  Matthias
The apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned and then beheaded.

13  Paul
Was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero at Rome in A.D. 67. Paul endured a lengthy imprisonment, which
allowed him to write his many epistles to the churches he had formed throughout the Roman Empire . These letters, which taught many
of the foundational doctrines of Christianity, form a large portion of the New Testament.
Perhaps this is a reminder to us that our sufferings here are indeed minor compared to the intense persecution and cold cruelty faced by the apostles disciples during their times for the sake of the Faith. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:
But he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 10:22

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr  5 21:17:32 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 21:17:32 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Do you know how the apostles died?
Message-ID: <4BBA8BAC.1000001@lightlink.com>

Do you know how the apostles died?
1  Matthew
Suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia , killed by a sword wound
2  Mark
Died in Alexandria , Egypt , after being dragged by horses through the streets until he was dead.
3  Luke
Was hanged in Greece as a result of his tremendous preaching to the lost.
4  John
Faced martyrdom when he was boiled in huge basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecution in Rome . However, he was
miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on the prison island of Patmos . He wrote his prophetic
Book of Revelation on Patmos . The apostle John was later freed and returned to serve as Bishop of Edessa in modern Turkey ... He died as an old man, the only apostle to die peacefully.
5  Peter
He was crucified upside down on an x-shaped cross. According to church tradition it was because he told his tormentors that he
felt unworthy to die in the same way that Jesus Christ had died.
6  James
Just The leader of the church in Jerusalem, was thrown over a hundred feet down from the southeast pinnacle of the Temple
when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a fuller's club.
* This was the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the Temptation.
7  James the Great
Son of Zebedee, was a fisherman by trade when Jesus called him to a lifetime of ministry. As a strong leader
of the church, James was ultimately beheaded at Jerusalem . The Roman officer who guarded James watched amazed as James defended his faith at his trial. Later, the officer walked beside James to the place of execution. Overcome by conviction, he declared his new faith to the judge and knelt beside James to accept beheading as a Christian
8  Bartholomew
Also known as Nathaniel Was a missionary to Asia . He witnessed for our Lord in present day Turkey . Bartholomew was martyred for his preaching in Armenia where he was flayed to death by a whip.
9  Andrew
Was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Patras , Greece . After being whipped severely by seven soldiers they tied his body to
the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that, when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these
words: 'I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.' He continued to preach to his tormentors for two days until he expired.
10  Thomas
Was stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to establish the church in the sub-continent.
11  Jude
Was killed with arrows when he refused to deny his faith in Christ.
12  Matthias
The apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned and then beheaded.

13  Paul
Was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero at Rome in A.D. 67. Paul endured a lengthy imprisonment, which
allowed him to write his many epistles to the churches he had formed throughout the Roman Empire . These letters, which taught many
of the foundational doctrines of Christianity, form a large portion of the New Testament.
Perhaps this is a reminder to us that our sufferings here are indeed minor compared to the intense persecution and cold cruelty faced by the apostles disciples during their times for the sake of the Faith. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:
But he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 10:22

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From gorkon at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 21:39:16 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 21:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Do you know how the apostles died?
In-Reply-To: <4BBA8B3E.70908@lightlink.com>
References: <4BBA8B3E.70908@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <q2x6dd08b11004051839nb54e0085wd3ffa6bd66c86e77@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting show that was on this past weekend about books that were
banned from the Bible.  In this show, they talked about several
writings that were deemed apocryphal.  Interesting stuff.



On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com> wrote:
> Do you know how the apostles died?
> 1 ?Matthew
> Suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia , killed by a sword wound
> 2 ?Mark
> Died in Alexandria , Egypt , after being dragged by horses through the
> streets until he was dead.
> 3 ?Luke
> Was hanged in Greece as a result of his tremendous preaching to the lost.
> 4 ?John
> Faced martyrdom when he was boiled in huge basin of boiling oil during a
> wave of persecution in Rome . However, he was
> miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on
> the prison island of Patmos . He wrote his prophetic
> Book of Revelation on Patmos . The apostle John was later freed and returned
> to serve as Bishop of Edessa in modern Turkey ... He died as an old man, the
> only apostle to die peacefully.
> 5 ?Peter
> He was crucified upside down on an x-shaped cross. According to church
> tradition it was because he told his tormentors that he
> felt unworthy to die in the same way that Jesus Christ had died.
> 6 ?James
> Just The leader of the church in Jerusalem, was thrown over a hundred feet
> down from the southeast pinnacle of the Temple
> when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he
> survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a fuller's club.
> * This was the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the
> Temptation.
> 7 ?James the Great
> Son of Zebedee, was a fisherman by trade when Jesus called him to a lifetime
> of ministry. As a strong leader
> of the church, James was ultimately beheaded at Jerusalem . The Roman
> officer who guarded James watched amazed as James defended his faith at his
> trial. Later, the officer walked beside James to the place of execution.
> Overcome by conviction, he declared his new faith to the judge and knelt
> beside James to accept beheading as a Christian
> 8 ?Bartholomew
> Also known as Nathaniel Was a missionary to Asia . He witnessed for our Lord
> in present day Turkey . Bartholomew was martyred for his preaching in
> Armenia where he was flayed to death by a whip.
> 9 ?Andrew
> Was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Patras , Greece . After being whipped
> severely by seven soldiers they tied his body to
> the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that, when
> he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these
> words: 'I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been
> consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.' He continued to preach to
> his tormentors for two days until he expired.
> 10 ?Thomas
> Was stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to
> establish the church in the sub-continent.
> 11 ?Jude
> Was killed with arrows when he refused to deny his faith in Christ.
> 12 ?Matthias
> The apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned and
> then beheaded.
>
> 13 ?Paul
> Was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero at Rome in A.D. 67.
> Paul endured a lengthy imprisonment, which
> allowed him to write his many epistles to the churches he had formed
> throughout the Roman Empire . These letters, which taught many
> of the foundational doctrines of Christianity, form a large portion of the
> New Testament.
> Perhaps this is a reminder to us that our sufferings here are indeed minor
> compared to the intense persecution and cold cruelty faced by the apostles
> disciples during their times for the sake of the Faith. And ye shall be
> hated of all men for my name's sake:
> But he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
> Matthew 10:22
>
> --
> A REVOLUTIONARY IDEA! 'Time to put Nana Pelosi in a home!'
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



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From jonathon.blake at gmail.com  Tue Apr  6 14:38:28 2010
From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:38:28 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
In-Reply-To: <4BB8CEF7.4050004@bibleseven.com>
References: <20100402173414.GR4YM.4024072.root@mp18>	<4BB6AC65.5020107@bibleseven.com>	<4BB896FD.5040905@gmail.com>
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Pastor David wrote:

> Who wrote the other one, please?

Viola published _Pagan Christianity_ back in 2003

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr  6 15:43:38 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr  6 20:00:27 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:00:27 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 27:45-61, Mark 15:33-47, Luke 23:44-56,
	John 18:28-42 (Wednesday)
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From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:42:58 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
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Pastor David wrote:
> So more of a new edition than an whole different book?

A whole different book.

> Interesting idea to add a co-author to a second edition,

Not a second edition.  (Well, if you consider the 1611 KJV to be a
second edition of the 1560 Geneva Bible, it might qualify as such.)

jonathon
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr  7 00:45:49 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:45:49 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Good Friday - Honoring The Gift With Freedom
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 12:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Video Intermittent on Toshiba Tecra
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:17:17 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 27:62-28:15, Mark 16, Luke 24:1-12,
	John 19:38-20:9 (Thursday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr  7 21:08:11 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:08:11 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] North Korean Red Star Linux operating system
	details emerge
Message-ID: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8604912.stm

Who could have imagined that Linux would ever have been used in this
fashion.  I wonder if this violates the GPL in any way.  Its probably
a foregone conclusion that the N. Korean government has no intention
of upholding the rules of the GPL and have made the source code for
Red Star a state secret.  A truly sad day for the Linux Community,
seeing Linux, which promotes freedom, being used to perpetuate a
regime which is against Freedom in all its forms.

-- 
If other Muslims want to destroy the America we know and love...they better
hurry, because Obama's beating them to it!

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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Wed Apr  7 21:28:26 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] North Korean Red Star Linux operating system
 details emerge
In-Reply-To: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com>
References: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <4BBD313A.6010108@lavabit.com>

On 04/07/2010 06:08 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8604912.stm
>
> Who could have imagined that Linux would ever have been used in this
> fashion.  I wonder if this violates the GPL in any way.  Its probably
> a foregone conclusion that the N. Korean government has no intention
> of upholding the rules of the GPL and have made the source code for
> Red Star a state secret.  A truly sad day for the Linux Community,
> seeing Linux, which promotes freedom, being used to perpetuate a
> regime which is against Freedom in all its forms.
> -- 
> If other Muslims want to destroy the America we know and love...they better
> hurry, because Obama's beating them to it!
>    
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>    
Well, there was Red Flag Linux, started by the Chinese Academy of 
Sciences and supported by the Ministry of Information Industry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Linux
http://www.redflag-linux.com/en/index.php

I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of tracking software 
installed by default, although it's possible that would have come to 
light by now(?)
I don't doubt that Linux's inherent customizability for very low cost 
outlay is attractive to them.
Whether or not it violates the GPL, the article mentions that it 
definitely violates U.S. sanctions against North Korea.

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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Wed Apr  7 21:32:52 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 18:32:52 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] North Korean Red Star Linux operating system
 details emerge
In-Reply-To: <4BBD313A.6010108@lavabit.com>
References: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com> <4BBD313A.6010108@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <4BBD3244.8060403@lavabit.com>

On 04/07/2010 06:28 PM, Eddy Martin wrote:
> On 04/07/2010 06:08 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8604912.stm
>>
>> Who could have imagined that Linux would ever have been used in this
>> fashion.  I wonder if this violates the GPL in any way.  Its probably
>> a foregone conclusion that the N. Korean government has no intention
>> of upholding the rules of the GPL and have made the source code for
>> Red Star a state secret.  A truly sad day for the Linux Community,
>> seeing Linux, which promotes freedom, being used to perpetuate a
>> regime which is against Freedom in all its forms.
>> -- 
>> If other Muslims want to destroy the America we know and love...they better
>> hurry, because Obama's beating them to it!
>>    
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux4christians mailing list
>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>>    
> Well, there was Red Flag Linux, started by the Chinese Academy of 
> Sciences and supported by the Ministry of Information Industry:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Linux
> http://www.redflag-linux.com/en/index.php
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of tracking software 
> installed by default, although it's possible that would have come to 
> light by now(?)
> I don't doubt that Linux's inherent customizability for very low cost 
> outlay is attractive to them.
> Whether or not it violates the GPL, the article mentions that it 
> definitely violates U.S. sanctions against North Korea.
>
> -Eddy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>    
Here's the original blog post, if any of you read Russian:
http://ashen-rus.livejournal.com/4300.html
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From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Thu Apr  8 00:10:10 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:10:10 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] North Korean Red Star Linux operating system
 details emerge
In-Reply-To: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com>
References: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <1270699810.7806.6.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>

On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 21:08 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8604912.stm
> 
> Who could have imagined that Linux would ever have been used in this
> fashion.  I wonder if this violates the GPL in any way.  Its probably
> a foregone conclusion that the N. Korean government has no intention
> of upholding the rules of the GPL and have made the source code for
> Red Star a state secret.  A truly sad day for the Linux Community,
> seeing Linux, which promotes freedom, being used to perpetuate a
> regime which is against Freedom in all its forms.

  Did China open up Red Flag Linux?  I can't seem to remember.


From fmiller at lightlink.com  Thu Apr  8 00:17:50 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:17:50 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] North Korean Red Star Linux operating system
 details emerge
In-Reply-To: <1270699810.7806.6.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
References: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com>
	<1270699810.7806.6.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
Message-ID: <4BBD58EE.8080707@lightlink.com>

On 04/08/2010 12:10 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-04-07 at 21:08 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
>    
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8604912.stm
>>
>> Who could have imagined that Linux would ever have been used in this
>> fashion.  I wonder if this violates the GPL in any way.  Its probably
>> a foregone conclusion that the N. Korean government has no intention
>> of upholding the rules of the GPL and have made the source code for
>> Red Star a state secret.  A truly sad day for the Linux Community,
>> seeing Linux, which promotes freedom, being used to perpetuate a
>> regime which is against Freedom in all its forms.
>>      
>    Did China open up Red Flag Linux?  I can't seem to remember.
>    

I believe so.

Fred

-- 
If other Muslims want to destroy the America we know and love...they better
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From jonathon.blake at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 01:50:15 2010
From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 05:50:15 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] North Korean Red Star Linux operating system
 details emerge
In-Reply-To: <4BBD313A.6010108@lavabit.com>
References: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com> <4BBD313A.6010108@lavabit.com>
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Eddy Martin wrote:

> definitely violates U.S. sanctions against North Korea.

One of the issues I've had to deal with, is providing support (in
English) to an apparent resident of North Korea, that uses software
written in, and distributed from the United States.

jonathon
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From jonathon.blake at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 01:52:54 2010
From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 05:52:54 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] North Korean Red Star Linux operating system
 details emerge
In-Reply-To: <1270699810.7806.6.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>
References: <4BBD2C7B.8010006@lightlink.com>
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Mike McMullin wrote:

>   Did China open up Red Flag Linux?  I can't seem to remember.

Yes. They also opened up Red Office.
Documentation and support for both were only in Chinese.

jonathon
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Thu Apr  8 14:07:54 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (webservant)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:07:54 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
	<8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100408175958.M60233@trinitybclaramie.org>

On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:41:22 -0400, shengchieh wrote
> Has anyone tried one of these (latter 4)?? I do my studies the old-fashioned
> way, i.e., use Bibletime and a blank text editor (to write note) - maybe I
> need to dig the bible more.? I don't have time now - got to get the US taxes 
> done - but when I have time I may look further.? But I'm just wondering if 
> any of you had experience with any of these codes.

I tried a couple of them... I think Alkitab and Xiphos... and I wasn't impressed.? What I need is a full-text search, not just Strong's keywords, and parallel display of whatever English translation I'm reading alongside the original (well, as close as we have to the original) Greek and Hebrew, preferably with word-for-word translation and/or pronunciation guides.

So far the best I can manage is the online tools at studylight and scripture4all:
http://www.studylight.org/isb/
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm

The scripture4all sources are an amazing way to read the original text even if you don't read a word of Greek or Hebrew, and seeing the way the original wording and grammar is so different from the way we construct sentences in English makes it clear why there are so many different ways to interpret a particular passage.? Whenever a debate comes up in Bible study about what God is saying through a passage, I'll turn to scripture4all to see what it said before English translators got hold of it.

Of course requiring online access isn't as convenient as something you can use offline, but it's still easier than keeping shelves full of expensive hardcopy books.

Shalom,
Peter B. Steiger
Laramie, WY

 
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Thu Apr  8 14:13:10 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (webservant)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:13:10 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <m2j6dd08b11004020457yf5266f7ax5961559669f4be6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:57:00 -0400, Joel Mclaughlin wrote
> Does anyone just have a desktop app for accessing Biblegateway.com?
> This could get around the copyright issues considering I can't find 
> my favorite translation in a SWORD format even for purchase!

That would be Firefox <grin>.

Shalom,
Peter B. Steiger
Laramie, WY


From gorkon at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 14:16:30 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:16:30 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <20100408181225.M55341@trinitybclaramie.org>
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
	<8CCA0251D6C3B46-16A0-68F6@web-mmc-d09.sysops.aol.com>
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Ok smart...ahh...nevermind! ;-)

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:13 PM, webservant
<webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:57:00 -0400, Joel Mclaughlin wrote
>> Does anyone just have a desktop app for accessing Biblegateway.com?
>> This could get around the copyright issues considering I can't find
>> my favorite translation in a SWORD format even for purchase!
>
> That would be Firefox <grin>.
>
> Shalom,
> Peter B. Steiger
> Laramie, WY
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From fmiller at lightlink.com  Thu Apr  8 14:35:17 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:35:17 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] On SCO,
	Linux and What Will Happen When the exFAT Lady Sings
Message-ID: <4BBE21E5.9010808@lightlink.com>

On SCO, Linux and What Will Happen When the exFAT Lady Sings
------------------------------------------------------------

Well it's been over a week since the landmark ruling came down in the
Novell v. SCO case, but the reverberations are still being felt
throughout the blogosphere. The post-ruling ruminations just keep
coming. "It sickens me to think of the money SCO has wasted," said
Slashdot blogger Josh Ulmer.

See the Full Story:
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/69720.html

-- 
Q: What's the difference between Obama and his dog, Bo?
A: Bo has papers.

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From karl at kleinpaste.org  Thu Apr  8 14:36:28 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:36:28 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <20100408175958.M60233@trinitybclaramie.org>
	(webservant@trinitybclaramie.org's message of "Thu, 8 Apr 2010
	12:07:54 -0600")
References: <4BB544B9.50004@bibleseven.com>
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"webservant" <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> writes:
> I tried a couple of them... I think Alkitab and Xiphos... and I wasn't
> impressed.? What I need is a full-text search, not just Strong's
> keywords, and parallel display of whatever English translation I'm
> reading alongside the original (well, as close as we have to the
> original) Greek and Hebrew, preferably with word-for-word translation
> and/or pronunciation guides.

In Xiphos, if you find deficiencies in full text searching, I want to
know about them.  Multiple module full text search; once you've built
optimized indices, you've got full fuzzy-match, wildcards, proximity, I
don't remember what all else.  Plus e.g. "lemma:G2316" and the like for
Strongs and morphology.  Booleans.  Look up lucene search syntax on the
web, it will educate you in what you can do in search.  Sidebar search
is trivial for a reason, for easy discovery of obvious stuff.  You have
to open Advanced Search to get the goodies.

Side-by-side: Open the full-chapter parallel window.  Pick any 5 modules
you like.  Improvements to full-chapter parallel will come in 3.2,
especially to allow an arbitrary number of modules displayed.

Word-for-word: No one has yet produced a Grk/Eng interlinear.  Xiphos
will immediately support the first one that comes into existence, as
long as it uses the obvious lemma markup.  For now, closest you'll get
is the ABP modules, which is very well marked-up to provide, for
example, indications of original word order along with Strongs.  In
non-Latin scripts, we provide transliteration to Latin for those who
need/want it.

Pronunciation guides...  Not acquainted with any program that does that
except Libronix.

--karl
(UWyo '81, BTW)

From karl at kleinpaste.org  Thu Apr  8 14:46:19 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone tried these bible programs?
In-Reply-To: <vxk7hohpz9v.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org> (Karl Kleinpaste's message
	of "Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:36:28 -0400")
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BTW, a couple screenshots apropos to my last note:
http://karl.kleinpaste.org/.../Xiphos-ABP-1Tim3.png
http://karl.kleinpaste.org/.../Xiphos-full-parallel.png

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Apr  8 19:53:25 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:53:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Luke 24:13-43, John 20:10 (Friday)
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From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 19:51:41 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 19:51:41 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Todays Glenn Beck program
Message-ID: <u2xc6cfdfaa1004081651j72277525n94aea854fd07e342@mail.gmail.com>

If you did not get to see Glenn Beck's television show on the Fox News
Channel this evening and your provider airs it 24/7 the show will be
repeated Friday August 9th at 02:00 AM Easter Time.  If you can record it I
suggest that you do so and pass it along to family and friends.

The theme of the show is "Rebuilding America" and the first block of the
foundation is faith.  He talks with a guest about what the founders original
intent was when signing the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
giving examples of their respective views on religion in America.  It is the
history that has been purged from our history books and class rooms in
schools.  Well worth the time to watch and if possible share with family and
friends.  I get my television from Direct TV so your schedule may vary.  I
have not had cable for over fifteen years.  I know that Beck follows
the Mormon faith and that my church feels that at best the group is
misguided in their beliefs.  But I have never seen anyone so passionate
about America, religion, politics and how all are inextricably intertwined
in the founding and success of this country.  Watch and see if you agree.

-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG      John 3:16  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Glock - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From satimis at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  8 22:46:04 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 19:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
Message-ID: <445563.68734.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi folks,


Could you please point me where can I find a French Bible online and for download?  Thanks


B.R.
SL


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From raphink at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 01:30:39 2010
From: raphink at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 07:30:39 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
In-Reply-To: <445563.68734.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <445563.68734.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <o2r8ce271501004082230vbde11dbcrdce42a56c8c1ee1d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stephen,

Could you please point me where can I find a French Bible online and for
> download?  Thanks
>
>
There's a lot of places. The most common ones you will find are the Louis
Segond (1919) and Bible du Semeur. You can find these on Biblegateway.com
for example.

The most commonly used in France are probably the Colombe (among
Protestants) and the TOB (among Catholics). You can find both of these
online on http://lire.la-bible.net.


Raphael
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From raphink at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 01:36:00 2010
From: raphink at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 07:36:00 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
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2010/4/9 Rapha?l Pinson <raphink at gmail.com>

> Hi Stephen,
>
> Could you please point me where can I find a French Bible online and for
>> download?  Thanks
>>
>>
> There's a lot of places. The most common ones you will find are the Louis
> Segond (1919) and Bible du Semeur. You can find these on Biblegateway.com
> for example.
>
> The most commonly used in France are probably the Colombe (among
> Protestants) and the TOB (among Catholics). You can find both of these
> online on http://lire.la-bible.net.
>
>

And if you are a KJV freak, it's probably worth mentionning the existence
of http://www.kingjamesfrancaise.com/ and
http://christobible.org/bible_texte/bible_kjf/index.html, which are French
translations of the KJV, both of which only exist online and where never
printed (that I know of).


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From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  9 02:24:44 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
In-Reply-To: <o2g8ce271501004082236wecbd7f27mbda787868d1221b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <445563.68734.qm@web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<o2r8ce271501004082230vbde11dbcrdce42a56c8c1ee1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<o2g8ce271501004082236wecbd7f27mbda787868d1221b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <728891.97952.qm@web113216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Raphael,

Thanks for your advice and links.

> And if you are a KJV freak, it's probably worth mentionning the existence 
> of http://www.kingjamesfrancaise.com/ and http://christobible.org/bible_texte/bible_kjf/index.html, which are 
> French translations of the KJV, both of which only exist online and where never printed (that I know of).


That are what I need.  But they can't find the verse precisely for me.


E.G.
Exode/Exodus 8:28

I have to click Exode/Exodus 8.  Then roll down on that page to find verse 28


B.R.
Stephen L





________________________________
From: Rapha?l Pinson <raphink at gmail.com>
To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 1:36:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] French Bible




2010/4/9 Rapha?l Pinson <raphink at gmail.com>

>Hi Stephen,
>
>
>>>Could you please point me where can I find a French Bible online and for download?  Thanks
>>
>>
>
>
>There's a lot of places. The most common ones you will find are the Louis Segond (1919) and Bible du Semeur. You can find these on Biblegateway.com for example.
>
>
>The most commonly used in France are probably the Colombe (among Protestants) and the TOB (among Catholics). You can find both of these online on http://lire.la-bible.net.
>
>


And if you are a KJV freak, it's probably worth mentionning the existence of http://www.kingjamesfrancaise.com/ and http://christobible.org/bible_texte/bible_kjf/index.html, which are French translations of the KJV, both of which only exist online and where never printed (that I know of).

 
Raphael

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From mITw at shaw.ca  Fri Apr  9 03:21:43 2010
From: mITw at shaw.ca (making IT work)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:21:43 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
Message-ID: <1270797703.3188.15.camel@Leysin>

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 19:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com>
To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
Message-ID: <445563.68734.qm at web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi folks,

Could you please point me where can I find a French Bible online and for
download?  Thanks

B.R.
SL

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------------------------------
 Hi Stephen,

Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword2) easily offers four French Bible texts:
* French Bible Bovet Bonnet (1900)
* La Bible Augustin Crampon 1923
* French Bible Martin (1744)
* French Traduction de Louis Segond (1910)

Having read the Louis Segond translation in hard-copy (real book) format
for years, naturally that is my preference.

There are other repositories (D?pots) available through Xiphos but I
have not yet explored them so other French versions/translations also
may be available.

Georges



From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  9 05:36:58 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 02:36:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
In-Reply-To: <1270797703.3188.15.camel@Leysin>
References: <1270797703.3188.15.camel@Leysin>
Message-ID: <770994.76964.qm@web113202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>





----- Original Message ----
From: making IT work <mITw at shaw.ca>
To: linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 3:21:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] French Bible

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 19:46:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com>
To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
Message-ID: <445563.68734.qm at web113208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi folks,

Could you please point me where can I find a French Bible online and for
download?  Thanks

B.R.
SL

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------------------------------
Hi Stephen,

Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword2) easily offers four French Bible texts:
* French Bible Bovet Bonnet (1900)
* La Bible Augustin Crampon 1923
* French Bible Martin (1744)
* French Traduction de Louis Segond (1910)

Having read the Louis Segond translation in hard-copy (real book) format
for years, naturally that is my preference.

There are other repositories (D?pots) available through Xiphos but I
have not yet explored them so other French versions/translations also
may be available.

Georges


Hi Georges

Thanks for your advice.

Xiphos is running on Ubuntu 9.10 here but without bible installed.  Having connected the servers listed after starting Xiphos I only found following modules available for install;

Biblical Texcts/English/
NET (locked)
NETfree
NETtext

Commentaries/English/
NETnotes (locked)
NETnotesfree

Nothing else.  Where can I find the bible module to install?  TIA

B.R.
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From karl at kleinpaste.org  Fri Apr  9 07:11:32 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:11:32 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
In-Reply-To: <770994.76964.qm@web113202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> (Stephen Liu's
	message of "Fri, 9 Apr 2010 02:36:58 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <1270797703.3188.15.camel@Leysin>
	<770994.76964.qm@web113202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <vxkiq80op7f.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>

Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> writes:
> Xiphos is running on Ubuntu 9.10 here but without bible installed.
> Having connected the servers listed after starting Xiphos I only found
> following modules available for install;
> [only NET stuff]

You haven't looked at the module manager very carefully yet.

As Georges said, there are multiple repositories.  The 4 that are
(currently) the default set are

CrossWire - CrossWire Beta - Xiphos - Bible.org

You're seeing what's available only on the last of these.

Module manager -> Module Sources: Choose -> pick one of the others off
the pulldown.  Refresh at the bottom, then Modules: Install/Update.

Besides what Georges mentioned, there is also FreJND, the 1975 John
Nelson Darby translation, in CrossWire Beta.

From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  9 09:18:04 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:18:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
In-Reply-To: <vxkiq80op7f.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
References: <1270797703.3188.15.camel@Leysin>
	<770994.76964.qm@web113202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<vxkiq80op7f.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
Message-ID: <362991.73408.qm@web113213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>> Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> writes:
>> Xiphos is running on Ubuntu 9.10 here but without bible installed.
>> Having connected the servers listed after starting Xiphos I only found
>> following modules available for install;
>> [only NET stuff]

> You haven't looked at the module manager very carefully yet.

Hi,

Thanks for your advice.

To my surprise after installing:-
Biblical Texcts/English/
NETfree
NETtext

Commentaries/English/
NETnotesfree

I got bible running on Xiphos

> Module manager -> Module Sources: Choose -> pick one of the others off
> the pulldown.  Refresh at the bottom, then Modules: Install/Update.

> Besides what Georges mentioned, there is also FreJND, the 1975 John
> Nelson Darby translation, in CrossWire Beta.

Modules on CrossWire and CrossWireBeta look the same;

French
FreBBB - French Bible Bovet Bonnet (1990)
FreCrampon - La Bible Augustin Crampon 1923
FreMartin - French Bible Martin (1744)
FreSegon - French Traduction de Louis Segon (1910)

I'll install one of them later.  Thanks

B.R.
SL





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From karl at kleinpaste.org  Fri Apr  9 09:36:44 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:36:44 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] French Bible
In-Reply-To: <362991.73408.qm@web113213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> (Stephen Liu's
	message of "Fri, 9 Apr 2010 06:18:04 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <1270797703.3188.15.camel@Leysin>
	<770994.76964.qm@web113202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<vxkiq80op7f.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
	<362991.73408.qm@web113213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <vxkeiiooihf.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>

Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> writes:
> Modules on CrossWire and CrossWireBeta look the same;

No, they're not.
http://karl.kleinpaste.org/.../Screenshot-ModuleManager.png
Note repository name identified at the top.

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr  9 20:46:22 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:46:22 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Matthew 28:16-20, Luke 24:44-53,
	John 20:24-21:25 (Saturday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sat Apr 10 14:11:19 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Revival and Patriotism
Message-ID: <4BC0BF47.9080304@lightlink.com>

Excellent!

Fred

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Apr 10 22:54:24 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 21:54:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 4:1-2 (Sunday)
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Sun Apr 11 10:21:44 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:21:44 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
Message-ID: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>

Need prayer for my family and I..  Please.

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...


From gorkon at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 10:35:37 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:35:37 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <r2j6dd08b11004110725iab02bf27nb633ea8df49c6104@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>
	<r2j6dd08b11004110725iab02bf27nb633ea8df49c6104@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <u2r6dd08b11004110735s1cdc9a64rd734c916fbbeb65@mail.gmail.com>

Will do.

On Apr 11, 2010 10:23 AM, "l4c" <l4c at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:

Need prayer for my family and I..  Please.

-- 
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From jared.bernard at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 10:55:32 2010
From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:55:32 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <u2r6dd08b11004110735s1cdc9a64rd734c916fbbeb65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>	<r2j6dd08b11004110725iab02bf27nb633ea8df49c6104@mail.gmail.com>
	<u2r6dd08b11004110735s1cdc9a64rd734c916fbbeb65@mail.gmail.com>
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We will as well.

Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
>
> Will do.  
>
>> On Apr 11, 2010 10:23 AM, "l4c" <l4c at thelinuxlink.net 
>> <mailto:l4c at thelinuxlink.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Need prayer for my family and I..  Please.
>>
>> -- 
>> -Linc Fessenden
>>
>> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
>>
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From mohair at singingfalls.com  Sun Apr 11 11:45:33 2010
From: mohair at singingfalls.com (singingfalls)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:45:33 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <4BC1E2E4.7060508@gmail.com>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>	<r2j6dd08b11004110725iab02bf27nb633ea8df49c6104@mail.gmail.com>	<u2r6dd08b11004110735s1cdc9a64rd734c916fbbeb65@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BC1E2E4.7060508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BC1EE9D.5050206@singingfalls.com>

Our prayers rise with yours brother. May YHVH the Almighty God and 
Father of those bound in life to Yeshua grant you wisdom, knowledge and 
insight during these the days of trial and temptation. May he pour upon 
us mercy and grace and after having done all that we might be found 
standing in garments washed and white.

~ox{

>>> On Apr 11, 2010 10:23 AM, "l4c" <l4c at thelinuxlink.net 
>>> <mailto:l4c at thelinuxlink.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Need prayer for my family and I..  Please.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> -Linc Fessenden
>>>
>>> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...


From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Apr 11 12:06:26 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:06:26 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <4BC1EE9D.5050206@singingfalls.com>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>	<r2j6dd08b11004110725iab02bf27nb633ea8df49c6104@mail.gmail.com>	<u2r6dd08b11004110735s1cdc9a64rd734c916fbbeb65@mail.gmail.com>	<4BC1E2E4.7060508@gmail.com>
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On 04/11/2010 11:45 AM, singingfalls wrote:
> Our prayers rise with yours brother. May YHVH the Almighty God and 
> Father of those bound in life to Yeshua grant you wisdom, knowledge 
> and insight during these the days of trial and temptation. May he pour 
> upon us mercy and grace and after having done all that we might be 
> found standing in garments washed and white.
>
> ~ox{
>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2010 10:23 AM, "l4c" <l4c at thelinuxlink.net 
>>>> <mailto:l4c at thelinuxlink.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Need prayer for my family and I..  Please.

Yes!! May God grant all of you wisdom, patience, and understanding 
during this time. This is the season that we will be tempted and pursued 
by Satan as never before. We're going into a time predicted in Scripture 
where good will be called evil and evil good. Where sweet will be called 
bitter and bitter called sweet. So many Christians who have been saved 
are now more influenced by the world than His word, allowing sin into 
their lives and for long enough that it no longer bothers them. Even the 
support of homosexuality, abortion, and or candidates who do are 
examples of Christians astray from the Word! Families will come under 
attack as never before as we enter the final days before our Lord returns.

All of you bind yourselves tightly to His word first, second each other, 
and third to those who are living IN His word. You will find the 
strength that all of you need, get through whatever is causing strife, 
and in the end be stronger for it.

Blessings!!

Fred

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Apr 11 12:14:59 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4BC1F583.7030206@lightlink.com>

On 04/11/2010 10:21 AM, l4c wrote:
> Need prayer for my family and I..  Please.
>

Linc, if you need to talk, give me your phone number. I'm here, if you 
need me.
Whatever is your problem, there's nothing that God can't fix, if all are 
willing.

May our Lord place you all in the hollow of His hand, hold and keep you all
safely there, protecting you from whatever storm has come upon you. Amen.

Fred

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Apr 11 15:15:59 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:15:59 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4BC21FEF.1010803@bibleseven.com>

Hey brother Linc, just returned from visiting with two fellowships
this morning - we were blessed.

I pray in agreement with you for a double-blessing as you have
faithfully served the Lord that He will protect and provide for you
and your family.

I pray for a hedge of protection against the Enemy, comfort and
strength to bear the troubles that come from being fallen people
in a fallen world - strangers to this place - waiting for His call to
our true home, and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to recognize
tests and to be as faithful as Jesus in not allowing the flesh to
transform a test into a temptation and then into full-blown sin.

In all things may you recognize the loving presence of the Lord
as never before that whatever comes against you fades in
comparison of the joy of knowing Him and from clinging to His
promises.

Standing together in the Lord,

David

 > l4c wrote:
> Need prayer for my family and I..  Please.
>

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Apr 11 17:24:23 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:24:23 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 4:3-5 (Monday)
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From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Sun Apr 11 18:05:36 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:05:36 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <4BC1F583.7030206@lightlink.com>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net> <4BC1F583.7030206@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <1271023537.8182.0.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>

On Sun, 2010-04-11 at 12:14 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On 04/11/2010 10:21 AM, l4c wrote: 
> > Need prayer for my family and I..  Please. 
> > 
> 
> Linc, if you need to talk, give me your phone number. I'm here, if you
> need me. 
> Whatever is your problem, there's nothing that God can't fix, if all
> are willing. 
> 
> May our Lord place you all in the hollow of His hand, hold and keep
> you all 
> safely there, protecting you from whatever storm has come upon you.
> Amen. 

  A suggestion if I may?  Send him your number privately.


From anglophile7 at cox.net  Sun Apr 11 22:54:49 2010
From: anglophile7 at cox.net (Ruth Ellen Cooper)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:54:49 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Help
In-Reply-To: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BC1DAF8.60305@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <op.va03pngn48a52i@trinity>

Dear Linc,
We have a group at our church we call the "Prayer Force."  They meet on  
Monday mornings.  Then they send the prayer requests out to over 60  
homes.  I'm passing your request on to them also.  If you want to tell us  
more about the situation send me an e-mail,(it can be kept confidential if  
you wish.)  We have some real prayer warriors in our Prayer Force!  Be  
encouraged that there are many people who will be praying with you.   
Whatever happens, it will be for the best.
In Christ,
Ruth Ellen
Anglophile7 at cox.net



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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Apr 12 19:48:59 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:48:59 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 4:6-8 (Tuesday)
Message-ID: <4BC3B16B.9020009@bibleseven.com>

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr 12 23:12:42 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:12:42 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] One big thing Microsoft, Apple,
	and all CTOs can learn from Ubuntu
Message-ID: <4BC3E12A.3050207@lightlink.com>

Ubuntu has earned a reputation as the most user-friendly version of 
Linux on the planet, but I would argue that the secret of success for 
Canonical <http://www.canonical.com/> (the company behind Ubuntu) is not 
really about a great UI or an extensive hardware compatibility list.

What Canonical does really well is to methodically produce incremental 
upgrades to its OS. It is transparent about its goals and plans, and it 
releases its software on schedule. In fact, this incremental approach is 
Ubuntu's most potent competitive weapon against rivals Microsoft Windows 
and Mac OS X. It is also an approach that CTOs and other IT leaders who 
produce software, Web sites, and other product-based Web services can 
learn from.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=32985&tag=nl.e539

-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr 12 23:14:08 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:14:08 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] One big thing Microsoft, Apple,
	and all CTOs can learn from Ubuntu
Message-ID: <4BC3E180.9050309@lightlink.com>

Ubuntu has earned a reputation as the most user-friendly version of 
Linux on the planet, but I would argue that the secret of success for 
Canonical <http://www.canonical.com/> (the company behind Ubuntu) is not 
really about a great UI or an extensive hardware compatibility list.

What Canonical does really well is to methodically produce incremental 
upgrades to its OS. It is transparent about its goals and plans, and it 
releases its software on schedule. In fact, this incremental approach is 
Ubuntu's most potent competitive weapon against rivals Microsoft Windows 
and Mac OS X. It is also an approach that CTOs and other IT leaders who 
produce software, Web sites, and other product-based Web services can 
learn from.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=32985&tag=nl.e539

-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 13 00:52:34 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:52:34 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Big-game hunter - Bubba recounts
Message-ID: <4BC3F892.5050507@lightlink.com>

At an Alabama police station, Bubba explained to the police officer why 
his cousin shot him.

"Well," Bubba began. "We wuz havin' a good time drinking, when my cousin 
Ray picked up his shotgun and said, 'Hey, any you fellas wanna go 
hunting?'"

"And then what happened?" the officer interrupted.

"The last thing I remember," Bubba said. "I stood up and said, 'Sure, 
I'm game!'"

-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill

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From chris at adebenham.com  Tue Apr 13 20:21:28 2010
From: chris at adebenham.com (Chris Debenham)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:21:28 +1000
Subject: [Linux4christians] Churchinfo database - custom reports
Message-ID: <j2t97eb34751004131721zfa36d7a2m90829bc70f1d0079@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone here using Churchinfo ( http://www.churchdb.org/ ) for
managing their members list and similar?
I've just installed it last week and have been playing around with it
to manage our members, regulars etc.
In the process I've made a custom report (to do our church directory
in the style I like :-) ) and was wondering if others use this
software and if so - have you done any funky stuff with it?
I'm thinking of doing some more custom reports to do things like
graphing age distribution and would love to integrate it with some
form of mailing list software (so I can create a group in churchinfo
and then email that group directly

Regards,
Chris

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr 13 22:18:46 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 4:9-16 (Wednesday)
Message-ID: <4BC52606.9000305@bibleseven.com>

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From mITw at shaw.ca  Wed Apr 14 01:46:52 2010
From: mITw at shaw.ca (making IT work)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:46:52 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
Message-ID: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>

Dear L4C readers and participants,

It likely was my pride at not wanting to appear as if I were riding on
our brother's request for prayer - and a bit of my foolishly not
thinking of asking you folk sooner - and it may be all too late - still,
here is my cry.

For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
again see a team of specialists there.

The appointment begins tomorrow morning, Wednesday, 14 April, at half
past seven o'clock in the morning Pacific Daylight Time (same as
Seattle, WA).

Part of the complications preventing their coming to a definitive
diagnosis is what one of the specialists calls "her non-standard
plumbing". She has twin bile ducts and pancreas divisum (she does not
have the usual larger drain from her pancreas only the lesser one which,
in most people, disappears prior to birth).

Another somewhat grim factor is that both her mother and her mother's
sister died of cancer of the pancreas. There is a known genetic link so
this too weighs heavily on her mind. This is especially so as her aunt
died at the same age my wife is now.

It is not easy to be so open in so public a forum but time is running
out - or already has run out. Our son needs her, our three grandchildren
need her, I need her, and she still has work to do. Please pray that she
may yet be spared for some years yet to come. And please pray for us
that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more than we can ever know.

Georges



From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 02:12:30 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
In-Reply-To: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>
References: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>
Message-ID: <l2gc6cfdfaa1004132312hd209f855v5543355679347d1f@mail.gmail.com>

I will pray for your wife and you as well.  Please know that you both will
be in my and my wife's prayers in the sincere hope that  God will comfort
you in this trial and touch your wife with his healing spirit.  These things
I will pray in the name of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord.  May God bless you
and your entire family.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:46 AM, making IT work <mITw at shaw.ca> wrote:

> Dear L4C readers and participants,
>
> It likely was my pride at not wanting to appear as if I were riding on
> our brother's request for prayer - and a bit of my foolishly not
> thinking of asking you folk sooner - and it may be all too late - still,
> here is my cry.
>
> For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
> case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
> of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
> local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
> again see a team of specialists there.
>
> The appointment begins tomorrow morning, Wednesday, 14 April, at half
> past seven o'clock in the morning Pacific Daylight Time (same as
> Seattle, WA).
>
> Part of the complications preventing their coming to a definitive
> diagnosis is what one of the specialists calls "her non-standard
> plumbing". She has twin bile ducts and pancreas divisum (she does not
> have the usual larger drain from her pancreas only the lesser one which,
> in most people, disappears prior to birth).
>
> Another somewhat grim factor is that both her mother and her mother's
> sister died of cancer of the pancreas. There is a known genetic link so
> this too weighs heavily on her mind. This is especially so as her aunt
> died at the same age my wife is now.
>
> It is not easy to be so open in so public a forum but time is running
> out - or already has run out. Our son needs her, our three grandchildren
> need her, I need her, and she still has work to do. Please pray that she
> may yet be spared for some years yet to come. And please pray for us
> that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more than we can ever know.
>
> Georges
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG      John 3:16  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr 14 02:22:19 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:22:19 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
In-Reply-To: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>
References: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>
Message-ID: <4BC55F1B.7090401@lightlink.com>

On 04/14/2010 01:46 AM, making IT work wrote:
> Dear L4C readers and participants,
>
> It likely was my pride at not wanting to appear as if I were riding on
> our brother's request for prayer - and a bit of my foolishly not
> thinking of asking you folk sooner - and it may be all too late - still,
> here is my cry.
>
> For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
> case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
> of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
> local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
> again see a team of specialists there.
>
> The appointment begins tomorrow morning, Wednesday, 14 April, at half
> past seven o'clock in the morning Pacific Daylight Time (same as
> Seattle, WA).
>
> Part of the complications preventing their coming to a definitive
> diagnosis is what one of the specialists calls "her non-standard
> plumbing". She has twin bile ducts and pancreas divisum (she does not
> have the usual larger drain from her pancreas only the lesser one which,
> in most people, disappears prior to birth).
>
> Another somewhat grim factor is that both her mother and her mother's
> sister died of cancer of the pancreas. There is a known genetic link so
> this too weighs heavily on her mind. This is especially so as her aunt
> died at the same age my wife is now.
>
> It is not easy to be so open in so public a forum but time is running
> out - or already has run out. Our son needs her, our three grandchildren
> need her, I need her, and she still has work to do. Please pray that she
> may yet be spared for some years yet to come. And please pray for us
> that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more than we can ever know.
>    

Done! I've also sent this out to several pastors and others.

Fred

-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill

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From satimis at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 14 03:19:00 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:19:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
In-Reply-To: <4BC55F1B.7090401@lightlink.com>
References: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin> <4BC55F1B.7090401@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <464199.36909.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I will pray for your wife and your whole family.  She won't be alone.  May God's kindness embrace her perpetually.  

Please convey my words to her, be brave all the time to face the difficulty ever encountered in fighting her illness.  She will be in my prayer daily.  My God bless her.


B.R.
Stephen L




________________________________
From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
To: linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 11:22:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer

 On 04/14/2010 01:46 AM, making IT work wrote: 
Dear L4C readers and participants,
>
>It likely was my pride at not wanting to appear as if I were riding on
>our brother's request for prayer - and a bit of my foolishly not
>thinking of asking you folk sooner - and it may be all too late - still,
>here is my cry.
>
>For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
>case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
>of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
>local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
>again see a team of specialists there.
>
>The appointment begins tomorrow morning, Wednesday, 14 April, at half
>past seven o'clock in the morning Pacific Daylight Time (same as
>Seattle, WA).
>
>Part of the complications preventing their coming to a definitive
>diagnosis is what one of the specialists calls "her non-standard
>plumbing". She has twin bile ducts and pancreas divisum (she does not
>have the usual larger drain from her pancreas only the lesser one which,
>in most people, disappears prior to birth).
>
>Another somewhat grim factor is that both her mother and her mother's
>sister died of cancer of the pancreas. There is a known genetic link so
>this too weighs heavily on her mind. This is especially so as her aunt
>died at the same age my wife is now.
>
>It is not easy to be so open in so public a forum but time is running
>out - or already has run out. Our son needs her, our three grandchildren
>need her, I need her, and she still has work to do. Please pray that she
>may yet be spared for some years yet to come. And please pray for us
>that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more than we can ever know.
>
Done! I've also sent this out to several pastors and others.

Fred

-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance 
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal 
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill


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From joseph.gulizia at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 07:27:42 2010
From: joseph.gulizia at gmail.com (Joseph Gulizia)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
In-Reply-To: <464199.36909.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin> <4BC55F1B.7090401@lightlink.com>
	<464199.36909.qm@web113215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <i2x2f8603d91004140427o5f89a9f0ge1d80c752dc31df2@mail.gmail.com>

Now on my prayer list also.

Joe

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I will pray for your wife and your whole family.  She won't be alone.  May
> God's kindness embrace her perpetually.
>
> Please convey my words to her, be brave all the time to face the difficulty
> ever encountered in fighting her illness.  She will be in my prayer daily.
> My God bless her.
>
>
> B.R.
> Stephen L
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
> *To:* linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> *Sent:* Tue, April 13, 2010 11:22:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
>
> On 04/14/2010 01:46 AM, making IT work wrote:
>
> Dear L4C readers and participants,
>
> It likely was my pride at not wanting to appear as if I were riding on
> our brother's request for prayer - and a bit of my foolishly not
> thinking of asking you folk sooner - and it may be all too late - still,
> here is my cry.
>
> For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
> case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
> of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
> local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
> again see a team of specialists there.
>
> The appointment begins tomorrow morning, Wednesday, 14 April, at half
> past seven o'clock in the morning Pacific Daylight Time (same as
> Seattle, WA).
>
> Part of the complications preventing their coming to a definitive
> diagnosis is what one of the specialists calls "her non-standard
> plumbing". She has twin bile ducts
>  and pancreas divisum (she does not
> have the usual larger drain from her pancreas only the lesser one which,
> in most people, disappears prior to birth).
>
> Another somewhat grim factor is that both her mother and her mother's
> sister died of cancer of the pancreas. There is a known genetic link so
> this too weighs heavily on her mind. This is especially so as her aunt
> died at the same age my wife is now.
>
> It is not easy to be so open in so public a forum but time is running
> out - or already has run out. Our son needs her, our three grandchildren
> need her, I need her, and she still has work to do. Please pray that she
> may yet be spared for some years yet to come. And please pray for us
> that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more than we can ever know.
>
>
> Done! I've also sent this out to several pastors and others.
>
> Fred
>
> --
> SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
> and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
> sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill
>
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Wed Apr 14 07:36:50 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:36:50 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
In-Reply-To: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>
References: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>
Message-ID: <4BC5A8D2.5070304@thelinuxlink.net>

making IT work wrote:
> Dear L4C readers and participants,
> 
> It likely was my pride at not wanting to appear as if I were riding on
> our brother's request for prayer - and a bit of my foolishly not
> thinking of asking you folk sooner - and it may be all too late - still,
> here is my cry.

You got my prayers buddy, hope all goes well with your wife.

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...

From jared.bernard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 11:05:45 2010
From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:05:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
In-Reply-To: <4BC5A8D2.5070304@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <1271224012.3185.31.camel@Leysin>
	<4BC5A8D2.5070304@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <4bc5db32.0e0bca0a.7bd6.12bb@mx.google.com>

On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, l4c wrote:

> making IT work wrote:
>> Dear L4C readers and participants,
>> 
>> It likely was my pride at not wanting to appear as if I were riding on
>> our brother's request for prayer - and a bit of my foolishly not
>> thinking of asking you folk sooner - and it may be all too late - still,
>> here is my cry.
>
> You got my prayers buddy, hope all goes well with your wife.
>
> -- 
> -Linc Fessenden
>
Done and will continue to do so.

--Jared


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr 14 19:50:25 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:50:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 4:17-18 (Thursday)
Message-ID: <4BC654C1.1000007@bibleseven.com>

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From mITw at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 15 01:18:20 2010
From: mITw at shaw.ca (making IT work)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:18:20 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer - day 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.52.1271243437.3333.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <mailman.52.1271243437.3333.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <1271308700.3138.40.camel@Leysin>


> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:46:52 -0700
> From: making IT work <mITw at shaw.ca>
> To: linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
> 
> Dear L4C readers and participants,
> 
snip
> 
> For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
> case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
> of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
> local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
> again see a team of specialists there.
> 
snip
> ... Please pray that she may yet be spared for some years yet to come. 
> And please pray for us that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more 
> than we can ever know.
> 
> Georges
> ------------------------------
> 

Dear Brothers,

Many thanks to all who prayed, and to those who continue to pray, and to
others who yet may join in prayer for my wife.

Today's procedure essentially was a repeat of her visit there last
month, i.e., an ERCP - but with a new machine they were trying out. The
end results of today's investigations are good but difficult.

First the good part - and yet the doctor seemed almost disappointed -
for he could find no cancer cells in any of the biopsies they took - not
even one strange or abnormal, let alone cancerous, cell in the pancreas
nor in the liquid in the pancreatic cyst. Still, awaiting official test
results and further tests he is not yet willing to give an all-clear.

Now the difficult part. In order to permit the inflammation of the
duodenum to subside, the doctors want the team at Richmond Hospital to
install a feeding tube that would descend lower (go further down) the
small intestine in order to get food beyond the inflamed areas. And this
she must endure for two to three weeks to give the inflammation an
opportunity to heal. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

Ah, in all fairness, I have said that I preferred a bad case of
pancreatitis to a mild case of cancer of the pancreas - I just had no
idea how bad it could be. Still, it is ever so much better than the
alternative.

So, my dear wife is in for a long and arduous climb.

Please continue to hold her in your hearts and in your thoughts and in
your prayers.

Georges



From mohair at singingfalls.com  Thu Apr 15 12:12:47 2010
From: mohair at singingfalls.com (singingfalls)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:12:47 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer - day 1
In-Reply-To: <1271308700.3138.40.camel@Leysin>
References: <mailman.52.1271243437.3333.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
	<1271308700.3138.40.camel@Leysin>
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Blessed be YHVH who has shown us mercy in your case. Wow!

making IT work wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:46:52 -0700
>> From: making IT work <mITw at shaw.ca>
>> To: linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
>>
>> Dear L4C readers and participants,
>>
> snip
>> For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
>> case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
>> of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
>> local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
>> again see a team of specialists there.
>>
> snip
>> ... Please pray that she may yet be spared for some years yet to come. 
>> And please pray for us that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more 
>> than we can ever know.
>>
>> Georges
>> ------------------------------
>>
> 
> Dear Brothers,
> 
> Many thanks to all who prayed, and to those who continue to pray, and to
> others who yet may join in prayer for my wife.
> 
> Today's procedure essentially was a repeat of her visit there last
> month, i.e., an ERCP - but with a new machine they were trying out. The
> end results of today's investigations are good but difficult.
> 
> First the good part - and yet the doctor seemed almost disappointed -
> for he could find no cancer cells in any of the biopsies they took - not
> even one strange or abnormal, let alone cancerous, cell in the pancreas
> nor in the liquid in the pancreatic cyst. Still, awaiting official test
> results and further tests he is not yet willing to give an all-clear.
> 
> Now the difficult part. In order to permit the inflammation of the
> duodenum to subside, the doctors want the team at Richmond Hospital to
> install a feeding tube that would descend lower (go further down) the
> small intestine in order to get food beyond the inflamed areas. And this
> she must endure for two to three weeks to give the inflammation an
> opportunity to heal. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!
> 
> Ah, in all fairness, I have said that I preferred a bad case of
> pancreatitis to a mild case of cancer of the pancreas - I just had no
> idea how bad it could be. Still, it is ever so much better than the
> alternative.
> 
> So, my dear wife is in for a long and arduous climb.
> 
> Please continue to hold her in your hearts and in your thoughts and in
> your prayers.
> 
> Georges
> 
> 
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> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
> 


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Apr 15 13:33:28 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer - day 1
In-Reply-To: <1271308700.3138.40.camel@Leysin>
References: <mailman.52.1271243437.3333.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
	<1271308700.3138.40.camel@Leysin>
Message-ID: <4BC74DE8.5020803@bibleseven.com>

Answered prayer in the first case - praise to God!

Continued prayers in agreement for comfort and healing in
the second - and for peace and strength as you walk alongside
her.

He is our comforter and provider.

> Dear Brothers,
>
> Many thanks to all who prayed, and to those who continue to pray, and to
> others who yet may join in prayer for my wife.
>
> Today's procedure essentially was a repeat of her visit there last
> month, i.e., an ERCP - but with a new machine they were trying out. The
> end results of today's investigations are good but difficult.
>
> First the good part - and yet the doctor seemed almost disappointed -
> for he could find no cancer cells in any of the biopsies they took - not
> even one strange or abnormal, let alone cancerous, cell in the pancreas
> nor in the liquid in the pancreatic cyst. Still, awaiting official test
> results and further tests he is not yet willing to give an all-clear.
>
> Now the difficult part. In order to permit the inflammation of the
> duodenum to subside, the doctors want the team at Richmond Hospital to
> install a feeding tube that would descend lower (go further down) the
> small intestine in order to get food beyond the inflamed areas. And this
> she must endure for two to three weeks to give the inflammation an
> opportunity to heal. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!
>
> Ah, in all fairness, I have said that I preferred a bad case of
> pancreatitis to a mild case of cancer of the pancreas - I just had no
> idea how bad it could be. Still, it is ever so much better than the
> alternative.
>
> So, my dear wife is in for a long and arduous climb.
>
> Please continue to hold her in your hearts and in your thoughts and in
> your prayers.
>
> Georges
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>   

-- 

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Apr 15 22:02:11 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:02:11 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 4:19-24 (Friday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Thu Apr 15 23:30:17 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:30:17 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer - day 1
In-Reply-To: <1271308700.3138.40.camel@Leysin>
References: <mailman.52.1271243437.3333.linux4christians@thelinuxlink.net>
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On 04/15/2010 01:18 AM, making IT work wrote:
>    
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:46:52 -0700
>> From: making IT work<mITw at shaw.ca>
>> To: linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> Subject: [Linux4christians] OT - A desperate request for prayer
>>
>> Dear L4C readers and participants,
>>
>>      
> snip
>    
>> For some weeks my wife has been suffering from what is at best a severe
>> case of pancreatitis - with the only alternative being inoperable cancer
>> of the pancreas. Tomorrow we take a day-trip (by ambulance) from our
>> local hospital to one of the major hospitals in Vancouver, BC, to once
>> again see a team of specialists there.
>>
>>      
> snip
>    
>> ... Please pray that she may yet be spared for some years yet to come.
>> And please pray for us that we not loose sight of Him who loves us more
>> than we can ever know.
>>
>> Georges
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>      
> Dear Brothers,
>
> Many thanks to all who prayed, and to those who continue to pray, and to
> others who yet may join in prayer for my wife.
>
> Today's procedure essentially was a repeat of her visit there last
> month, i.e., an ERCP - but with a new machine they were trying out. The
> end results of today's investigations are good but difficult.
>
> First the good part - and yet the doctor seemed almost disappointed -
> for he could find no cancer cells in any of the biopsies they took - not
> even one strange or abnormal, let alone cancerous, cell in the pancreas
> nor in the liquid in the pancreatic cyst. Still, awaiting official test
> results and further tests he is not yet willing to give an all-clear.
>
> Now the difficult part. In order to permit the inflammation of the
> duodenum to subside, the doctors want the team at Richmond Hospital to
> install a feeding tube that would descend lower (go further down) the
> small intestine in order to get food beyond the inflamed areas. And this
> she must endure for two to three weeks to give the inflammation an
> opportunity to heal. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!
>
> Ah, in all fairness, I have said that I preferred a bad case of
> pancreatitis to a mild case of cancer of the pancreas - I just had no
> idea how bad it could be. Still, it is ever so much better than the
> alternative.
>
> So, my dear wife is in for a long and arduous climb.
>
> Please continue to hold her in your hearts and in your thoughts and in
> your prayers.
>    

Rest assured, we will!

Fred

-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr 16 20:57:45 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:57:45 -0500
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Apr 17 21:24:11 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:24:11 -0500
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Sat Apr 17 20:48:41 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (Lincoln Fessenden)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:48:41 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
Message-ID: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net>

Does anyone else feel it's pretty hypocritical for Pagans to insinuate 
that Christians are closed minded?

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...


From gorkon at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 21:05:32 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:05:32 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
In-Reply-To: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net>
Message-ID: <w2n6dd08b11004171805s303934a2n37c9b08502bd3fcc@mail.gmail.com>

Christian's aren't for sure.  You have to think....we have to make a
giant leap of faith and believe that Jesus died for ALL of our sins
and he rose again!  Also, when you think off all the miracles in the
Bible plus all of the little tiny things he does for us each day.
Simply humbling to me.  I believe all of this.  To do this, you have
to have a pretty open mind!



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Lincoln Fessenden <l4c at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:
> Does anyone else feel it's pretty hypocritical for Pagans to insinuate that
> Christians are closed minded?
>
> --
> -Linc Fessenden
>
> In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
>
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> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>



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joel at geardiary.com
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sat Apr 17 21:07:54 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:07:54 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
In-Reply-To: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net>
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On 04/17/2010 08:48 PM, Lincoln Fessenden wrote:
> Does anyone else feel it's pretty hypocritical for Pagans to insinuate 
> that Christians are closed minded?
>

Certainly, but the same holds true of Liberals. They certainly insist 
that we listen to their point of view, but DON'T want to hear ours.

Fred

-- 
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From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Sat Apr 17 21:09:44 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (Lincoln Fessenden)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:09:44 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
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On 4/17/10 9:07 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On 04/17/2010 08:48 PM, Lincoln Fessenden wrote:
>> Does anyone else feel it's pretty hypocritical for Pagans to insinuate
>> that Christians are closed minded?
>>
>
> Certainly, but the same holds true of Liberals. They certainly insist
> that we listen to their point of view, but DON'T want to hear ours.
>
> Fred

Ding!  We have a winner :-)

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Apr 17 22:11:11 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:11:11 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
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From anglophile7 at cox.net  Sat Apr 17 21:15:55 2010
From: anglophile7 at cox.net (Ruth Ellen Cooper)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:15:55 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
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Oh, yeah!

My son Wesley and I talk about that all the time.  You see the real  
problem is that they are suffering guilt over their sins and it's a way to  
deny that they are sinners.  Once you admit that there is a God then you  
have to change your own life, because it can't measure up.  I've gotten to  
where I don't bother with people like that.  I figure there is no use  
wasting my time on them.  I can use it better to talk to someone who DOES  
want to know about God.

All I have to say to people like that is something I saw on a bumper  
sticker: "If you don't believe in God, you'd better be right!"  It seems  
atheist always want to argue and fight.  I'm not at all bothered that they  
don't believe in God, so why does it bother them so much that we do?  The  
fact is that they are under conviction and every Christian they meet just  
makes it that much worse for them.  It's like the dumb kids in school  
making fun of the smart ones because they get good grades.  Actually they  
are envious of them, but they don't want to admit that they don't have as  
much intelligence as the ones that get good grades.  Atheist have to put  
down Christians because we make them uncomfortable.

I used to know an atheist who was reading a book called "The God  
Delusion."  He thought he was so smart.  I pointed out that belief cannot  
be a "delusion" because you cannot prove or disprove God's existence  
through a concrete scientific experiment.  If I said the earth is flat  
that would be a delusion because we could get in a space ship, go out into  
space and see that the earth is a round ball.  God cannot be proved or  
disproved by science.  Christianity is about a "relationship."  I told my  
friend, "You don't know God so you think He doesn't exist.  I know Him  
personally so you can never convince me that He doesn't exist!"

Ruth Ellen Cooper

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:48:41 -0700, Lincoln Fessenden  
<l4c at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:

> Does anyone else feel it's pretty hypocritical for Pagans to insinuate  
> that Christians are closed minded?
>


-- 
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Apr 18 00:05:31 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:05:31 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
In-Reply-To: <op.vbb24tm148a52i@trinity>
References: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net> <op.vbb24tm148a52i@trinity>
Message-ID: <4BCA850B.90601@lightlink.com>

On 04/17/2010 09:15 PM, Ruth Ellen Cooper wrote:
> Oh, yeah!
>
> My son Wesley and I talk about that all the time.  You see the real 
> problem is that they are suffering guilt over their sins and it's a 
> way to deny that they are sinners.  Once you admit that there is a God 
> then you have to change your own life, because it can't measure up.  
> I've gotten to where I don't bother with people like that.  I figure 
> there is no use wasting my time on them.  I can use it better to talk 
> to someone who DOES want to know about God.
>
> All I have to say to people like that is something I saw on a bumper 
> sticker: "If you don't believe in God, you'd better be right!"  It 
> seems atheist always want to argue and fight.  I'm not at all bothered 
> that they don't believe in God, so why does it bother them so much 
> that we do?  The fact is that they are under conviction and every 
> Christian they meet just makes it that much worse for them.  It's like 
> the dumb kids in school making fun of the smart ones because they get 
> good grades.  Actually they are envious of them, but they don't want 
> to admit that they don't have as much intelligence as the ones that 
> get good grades.  Atheist have to put down Christians because we make 
> them uncomfortable.
>
> I used to know an atheist who was reading a book called "The God 
> Delusion."  He thought he was so smart.  I pointed out that belief 
> cannot be a "delusion" because you cannot prove or disprove God's 
> existence through a concrete scientific experiment.  If I said the 
> earth is flat that would be a delusion because we could get in a space 
> ship, go out into space and see that the earth is a round ball.  God 
> cannot be proved or disproved by science.  Christianity is about a 
> "relationship."  I told my friend, "You don't know God so you think He 
> doesn't exist.  I know Him personally so you can never convince me 
> that He doesn't exist!"

VERY good! Here's some other things you might want to keep in mind. 
First, I do agree about atheists. I generally give them one chance to 
have a decent discussion, and if they blow it on the first one, which 
they always do, then I'm done. I know it's a lost cause. If you get into 
a discussion with a non-believer, here's 2 things you can mention that 
might get them to think about whatever else you've said. First, over 500 
people did see Christ after the Resurrection, NOT all at the same time, 
on different days, at different times, and some knew each other and some 
didn't. Second, since the first prophet, Enoch, ALL prophecies till now 
have happened when thery were supposed to, in the way they were supposed 
to, and to the people foretold. There's been NO ERROR in text written 
WELL OVER 2,000 years ago! Now, only an absolute bonifide idiot would 
assume that the rest of Scripture isn't going to happen the way God says 
it's going to happen!

Blessings,

Fred

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From tbutler at ofb.biz  Sun Apr 18 02:07:33 2010
From: tbutler at ofb.biz (Timothy Butler)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:07:33 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
In-Reply-To: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net>
References: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net>
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On Apr 17, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Lincoln Fessenden wrote:

> Does anyone else feel it's pretty hypocritical for Pagans to insinuate that Christians are closed minded?

Depends on the pagan, I'd posit.

	-Tim

From jared.bernard at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 03:07:46 2010
From: jared.bernard at gmail.com (Jared Bernard)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 01:07:46 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
In-Reply-To: <op.vbb24tm148a52i@trinity>
References: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net> <op.vbb24tm148a52i@trinity>
Message-ID: <4BCAAFC2.8070307@gmail.com>

Ruth Ellen Cooper wrote:
> Oh, yeah!
>
> My son Wesley and I talk about that all the time.  You see the real 
> problem is that they are suffering guilt over their sins and it's a 
> way to deny that they are sinners.  Once you admit that there is a God 
> then you have to change your own life, because it can't measure up.  
> I've gotten to where I don't bother with people like that.  I figure 
> there is no use wasting my time on them.  I can use it better to talk 
> to someone who DOES want to know about God.
>
> All I have to say to people like that is something I saw on a bumper 
> sticker: "If you don't believe in God, you'd better be right!"  It 
> seems atheist always want to argue and fight.  I'm not at all bothered 
> that they don't believe in God, so why does it bother them so much 
> that we do?  The fact is that they are under conviction and every 
> Christian they meet just makes it that much worse for them.  It's like 
> the dumb kids in school making fun of the smart ones because they get 
> good grades.  Actually they are envious of them, but they don't want 
> to admit that they don't have as much intelligence as the ones that 
> get good grades.  Atheist have to put down Christians because we make 
> them uncomfortable.
>
> I used to know an atheist who was reading a book called "The God 
> Delusion."  He thought he was so smart.  I pointed out that belief 
> cannot be a "delusion" because you cannot prove or disprove God's 
> existence through a concrete scientific experiment.  If I said the 
> earth is flat that would be a delusion because we could get in a space 
> ship, go out into space and see that the earth is a round ball.  God 
> cannot be proved or disproved by science.  Christianity is about a 
> "relationship."  I told my friend, "You don't know God so you think He 
> doesn't exist.  I know Him personally so you can never convince me 
> that He doesn't exist!"
>
> Ruth Ellen Cooper
I whole-hearted agree with this. I have several long time friends and 
family members who deny God to justify their sins.
Jared



> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:48:41 -0700, Lincoln Fessenden 
> <l4c at thelinuxlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else feel it's pretty hypocritical for Pagans to 
>> insinuate that Christians are closed minded?
>>
>
>


From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Apr 18 11:01:56 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
In-Reply-To: <4BCAAFC2.8070307@gmail.com>
References: <4BCA56E9.4030807@thelinuxlink.net> <op.vbb24tm148a52i@trinity>
	<4BCAAFC2.8070307@gmail.com>
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On 04/18/2010 03:07 AM, Jared Bernard wrote:

[snip]

>> I used to know an atheist who was reading a book called "The God 
>> Delusion."  He thought he was so smart.  I pointed out that belief 
>> cannot be a "delusion" because you cannot prove or disprove God's 
>> existence through a concrete scientific experiment.  If I said the 
>> earth is flat that would be a delusion because we could get in a 
>> space ship, go out into space and see that the earth is a round 
>> ball.  God cannot be proved or disproved by science.  Christianity is 
>> about a "relationship."  I told my friend, "You don't know God so you 
>> think He doesn't exist.  I know Him personally so you can never 
>> convince me that He doesn't exist!"
>>
>> Ruth Ellen Cooper
> I whole-hearted agree with this. I have several long time friends and 
> family members who deny God to justify their sins. 

Yes! But, if they admit as to why they are in denial, it's a rarity!!

Fred

-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill

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From jonathon.blake at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 12:39:56 2010
From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:39:56 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians] hrmmm
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Ruth Ellen Cooper wrote:

> Once you admit that there is a God then

Pagans typically don't deny that there is God.
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to be agnostics as atheists  as deists.

For pagans, the more common issue is which deity, or deities are to be
worshipped.

jonathon
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Apr 18 17:48:10 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:48:10 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:1-3 (Monday)
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:04:04 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:1-3 (Monday) -- Correction
In-Reply-To: <4BCB7E1A.3050507@bibleseven.com>
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Apr 19 22:01:34 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 21:01:34 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:4-5 (Tuesday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 20 20:09:32 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:09:32 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Is Eyjafjallajokull a Prophetic Sign of the End?
	- EXCELLENT!
Message-ID: <4BCE423C.8080106@lightlink.com>

http://americanvision.org/2010/post/is-eyjafjallajokull-a-prophetic-sign-of-the-end/ 


-- 
SOCIALISM is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance
and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal
sharing of misery. -Winston Churchill


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr 20 21:48:33 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Is Eyjafjallajokull a Prophetic Sign of the
 End?	- EXCELLENT!
In-Reply-To: <4BCE423C.8080106@lightlink.com>
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:00:36 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] God's post-it notes
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr 20 23:32:44 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:32:44 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:6-7 (Wednesday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr 20 23:36:26 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:36:26 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
Message-ID: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>

Has anyone seen this Web error before?

Is it related to something new being done in JAVA that is not
yet handled by Mozilla/Seamonkey?

It pops up when trying to access
http://memorialhealth.com

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XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
Location: http://memorialhealth.com/
Line Number 13, Column 17:    <script 
src=/Scripts/AC_RunActiveContent.js type="text/javascript"></script>
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"Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
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From chris at adebenham.com  Wed Apr 21 00:00:34 2010
From: chris at adebenham.com (Chris Debenham)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:00:34 +1000
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
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Firstly - there is a difference between Java and Javascript - they are
not really related (sorry but that is one of my pet peeves being that
I work for Sun ;-) )
But the message seen is due to the page not putting quotes around the
script source.
It should have been

That is why your browser is complaining.
But even so the browser should just ignore it and work around that
sort of incorrrectly-written HTML
Is it stopping things from loading for you?

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On 21 April 2010 13:36, Pastor David <pastordavid at bibleseven.com> wrote:
> Has anyone seen this Web error before?
>
> Is it related to something new being done in JAVA that is not
> yet handled by Mozilla/Seamonkey?
>
> It pops up when trying to access
> http://memorialhealth.com
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
> Location: http://memorialhealth.com/
> Line Number 13, Column 17: ? ?<script src=/Scripts/AC_RunActiveContent.js
> type="text/javascript"></script>
> ----------------^
>
> --
>
> "Learning to love like Jesus." ?Eph. 4:2
> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day! ?Pastor David
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>

From ken at wa3fkg.com  Wed Apr 21 00:40:43 2010
From: ken at wa3fkg.com (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:40:43 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <k2tc6cfdfaa1004202140k82d02b43i5a361aac079fbe90@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Pastor David
<pastordavid at bibleseven.com>wrote:

> Has anyone seen this Web error before?
>
> Is it related to something new being done in JAVA that is not
> yet handled by Mozilla/Seamonkey?
>
> It pops up when trying to access
> http://memorialhealth.com
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
> Location: http://memorialhealth.com/
> Line Number 13, Column 17:    <script src=/Scripts/AC_RunActiveContent.js
> type="text/javascript"></script>
> ----------------^
>
>
I'm using Linux Mint 7 on a Dell laptop and have several browsers installed.
 I just tried the link you posted in Chrome, Fire Fox and Epiphany and all
came up without any error messages.  Wonder if they were working on the site
when you tried to access it?

-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG      John 3:16  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr 21 02:18:41 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 02:18:41 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Is Eyjafjallajokull a Prophetic Sign of the
 End?	- EXCELLENT!
In-Reply-To: <4BCE5971.8080803@bibleseven.com>
References: <4BCE423C.8080106@lightlink.com> <4BCE5971.8080803@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <4BCE98C1.8080909@lightlink.com>

On 04/20/2010 09:48 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> I am no fan of Lindsey or MacArthur.

Neither and I. I don't like distortion of anything, in particular the 
Scriptures!

>
> In this case Lindsey misses a critical element of the Luke text
> and the pre-Trib rapture is indefensible Biblically.
>
> I do agree that when Jesus returns it will be a unified singular
> arrival worldwide.

Yepper! ALL will see Him!

>
> As for a prophetic sign of the end?  We know what those are
> and we are well-short of the latter days of the end times
> convergence of events ... though if the kooks running the
> USA regime have their way they could hasten that time!

I don't think we're all that far off, but I agree.....NOT yet.

>
> While I would love to see Jesus return soon I worry for the
> suffering to be endured by our children through the onset
> of the Tribulation -- believers in the Sudan and elsewhere
> have been experiencing the Tribulation for decades --
> witness that and tremble!
>
> Sigh.
>

It very well could be us as well...not just our children and grandchildren,
depending on all that transpires this year and next. I have NO desire to
live through the Trib., although I think those believers who see Christ's
return are going to have an INCREDIBLE experience!!

Fred

-- 
"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr 21 09:24:36 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:24:36 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <k2tc6cfdfaa1004202140k82d02b43i5a361aac079fbe90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr 21 09:25:44 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <j2o97eb34751004202100vdefc6324k7cde9aa56a96fbfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Wed Apr 21 10:32:35 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 08:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <j2o97eb34751004202100vdefc6324k7cde9aa56a96fbfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
	<j2o97eb34751004202100vdefc6324k7cde9aa56a96fbfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>

Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by web design that relies so
heavily on scripting that you can't even get to the front page without it?
What's wrong with good, solid HTML for a main menu and background, and only
use scripting for the dynamic elements?

And you kids get off my lawn.


On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com>wrote:

> Firstly - there is a difference between Java and Javascript - they are
> not really related (sorry but that is one of my pet peeves being that
> I work for Sun ;-) )
> But the message seen is due to the page not putting quotes around the
> script source.
>
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr 21 11:44:12 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>	<j2o97eb34751004202100vdefc6324k7cde9aa56a96fbfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>
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From preston.lists at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 11:14:36 2010
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:14:36 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>	<j2o97eb34751004202100vdefc6324k7cde9aa56a96fbfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BCF165C.4070404@gmail.com>

Peter B. Steiger wrote:
> Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by web design that relies so 
> heavily on scripting that you can't even get to the front page without 
> it?  What's wrong with good, solid HTML for a main menu and background, 
> and only use scripting for the dynamic elements?
> 
> And you kids get off my lawn.

I don't care much for scripting either.  For most of my stuff it's 
CSS/HTML, although I'm becoming a big fan of Wordpress and the like.

-- 

Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash...
http://www.arrantdrivel.com/

Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective
http://www.prestonboyington.com/

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr 21 20:20:57 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:20:57 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:8-16 (Thursday)
Message-ID: <4BCF9669.4050809@bibleseven.com>

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From htgage3 at chartermi.net  Wed Apr 21 20:51:37 2010
From: htgage3 at chartermi.net (htgage3 at chartermi.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
Message-ID: <20100421205137.NHA5H.2619871.root@mp11>

Came up just fine, no error at all. 

Taz

---- Pastor David <pastordavid at bibleseven.com> wrote: 
> Has anyone seen this Web error before?
> 
> Is it related to something new being done in JAVA that is not
> yet handled by Mozilla/Seamonkey?
> 
> It pops up when trying to access
> http://memorialhealth.com
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
> Location: http://memorialhealth.com/
> Line Number 13, Column 17:    <script 
> src=/Scripts/AC_RunActiveContent.js type="text/javascript"></script>
> ----------------^
> 
> -- 
> 
> "Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
> Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
> http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians


From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Wed Apr 21 21:54:16 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:54:16 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <20100421205137.NHA5H.2619871.root@mp11>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
	<20100421205137.NHA5H.2619871.root@mp11>
Message-ID: <k2m7d9775d31004211854hdfab5207pc5c2e7b9fbbffe8@mail.gmail.com>

ORLY?  What OS/browser are you using?  Several folks on Linux and Windows
systems have reported the error with Firefox and IE.  I just tried it again
to see if it maybe got fixed recently, but I still get the error (Firefox
3.5.7 on Linux).

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM, <htgage3 at chartermi.net> wrote:

> Came up just fine, no error at all.
>
> Taz
>
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From ken at wa3fkg.com  Wed Apr 21 22:51:28 2010
From: ken at wa3fkg.com (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:51:28 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<j2o97eb34751004202100vdefc6324k7cde9aa56a96fbfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <m2hc6cfdfaa1004211951z6035a44ay98ef2527a5f09d02@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Peter B. Steiger <
webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:

> Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by web design that relies so
> heavily on scripting that you can't even get to the front page without it?
> What's wrong with good, solid HTML for a main menu and background, and only
> use scripting for the dynamic elements?
>
> And you kids get off my lawn.


Oh you are not alone my friend.  Most of the gobble de gook that passes for
HTML code out on the web can be traced back to Microsoft Front Page.
 A scourge that Uncle Bill fostered on the world after he figured out that
he blew it big time ignoring the Internet.  I talked with a software
developer today that told me he is banging his head off the wall right now
because he updated all of his tools from Microsoft that he develops software
for hand held terminals used in industry and it ruined a lot of work that he
had done because Microsoft is in an absolute tail spin trying to figure out
how to catch Apple in the mobile phone market.  I expect the next few years
to be chaos.



-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG      John 3:16  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 22:55:26 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <m2hc6cfdfaa1004211951z6035a44ay98ef2527a5f09d02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BCE72BA.2020902@bibleseven.com>
	<j2o97eb34751004202100vdefc6324k7cde9aa56a96fbfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<s2y7d9775d31004210732m1c589d94hb3772864a258153a@mail.gmail.com>
	<m2hc6cfdfaa1004211951z6035a44ay98ef2527a5f09d02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <i2x6dd08b11004211955k242855eay5a39c20b8d533b3d@mail.gmail.com>

And Windows Phone 7 ain't it and neither is (rollingeyes) Kin.



On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG <ken at wa3fkg.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Peter B. Steiger
> <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote:
>>
>> Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by web design that relies so
>> heavily on scripting that you can't even get to the front page without it?
>> What's wrong with good, solid HTML for a main menu and background, and only
>> use scripting for the dynamic elements?
>>
>> And you kids get off my lawn.
>
> Oh you are not alone my friend. ?Most of the gobble de gook that passes for
> HTML code out on the web can be traced back to Microsoft Front Page.
> ?A?scourge that Uncle Bill fostered on the world after he figured out that
> he blew it big time ignoring the Internet. ?I talked with a software
> developer today that told me he is banging his head off the wall right now
> because he updated all of his tools from Microsoft that he develops software
> for hand held terminals used in industry and it ruined a lot of work that he
> had done because Microsoft is in an?absolute tail spin trying to figure out
> how to catch Apple in the mobile phone market. ?I expect the next few years
> to be chaos.
>
>
> --
> Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG ? ? ?John 3:16 ?http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
> You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
> The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
> Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>



-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Apr 22 21:55:33 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:55:33 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:17-20 (Friday)
Message-ID: <4BD0FE15.4090607@bibleseven.com>

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From htgage3 at chartermi.net  Thu Apr 22 22:12:16 2010
From: htgage3 at chartermi.net (htgage3 at chartermi.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:12:16 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Has anyone seen this Web error before?
In-Reply-To: <k2m7d9775d31004211854hdfab5207pc5c2e7b9fbbffe8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100422221216.W3UKS.2689090.root@mp14>

LOL, I do really hate windows! 95, 98, xp, visa, they all are just alike, they are bbbaaaadddddd!! Junk! Linux-Nice, beautiful, easy, on and on with nothing to say bad about linux. Windows 7----I really do like it. It's on my laptop, wife's desktop, and netbook. Sorry linux, winders 7 is good, but not as good as you! And I use nothing but Firefox! Every box I have is Firebox.

Taz

---- "Peter B. Steiger" <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org> wrote: 
> ORLY?  What OS/browser are you using?  Several folks on Linux and Windows
> systems have reported the error with Firefox and IE.  I just tried it again
> to see if it maybe got fixed recently, but I still get the error (Firefox
> 3.5.7 on Linux).
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:51 PM, <htgage3 at chartermi.net> wrote:
> 
> > Came up just fine, no error at all.
> >
> > Taz
> >
> >


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr 23 23:07:03 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:07:03 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:21-22 (Saturday)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sat Apr 24 18:41:38 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:41:38 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 7:1-12 (Sunday)
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Sun Apr 25 11:41:01 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:41:01 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] =?windows-1252?q?=22=93Bring_Your_Guns_to_Chur?=
 =?windows-1252?q?ch=94_Sunday=22?=
Message-ID: <4BD4628D.4020003@lightlink.com>

Some of you won't agree with the position of this author. I happen to 
agree. At the very least, it deserves your through reading and study. 
Those of you outside the USA might not understand our Christian history 
and heritage here, but you certainly should understand the Biblical 
references.
And, yes, I know this is often a subject that many would just as soon 
avoid, but I'm not known for doing that. ;)

Fred

Christians should be aware that the use of force in preservation of life 
is a biblical doctrine (Ex. 22:2?3 
<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Ex.%2022:2-3>; Prov. 24:10?12 
<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Prov.%2024:10-12>; Est. 8?9; Neh. 4 
<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Neh.%204>; cp. John 15:13?14 
<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=John%2015:13-14>). Likewise, those 
who possessed weapons in Scripture are often said to be well skilled in 
the use of them (Judg. 20:15?16 
<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Judg.%2020:15-16>; 1 Chron. 12:1?2, 
21?22 
<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1%20Chron.%2012:1-2,%2021-22>). We 
can only surmise that 1) God gave them talent in this regard, and that 
2) they engaged in target practice regularly. Further, under biblical 
law, to be disarmed was to be enslaved and led to a disruption of the 
economic order due to government regulations and monopolies (1 Sam 
13:19?22 <http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1%20Sam%2013:19-22>). But 
the mere presence of a couple weapons had psychological effects that put 
criminals to flight (1 Sam 13 
<http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=1%20Sam%2013>). There is a reason 
why Scripture tells these stories: they illustrate the defense of life, 
liberty, and property in the midst of a fallen world (and fallen 
governments).

http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/3457/-Bring-Your-Guns-to-Church-Sunday

-- 
"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Sun Apr 25 22:16:56 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:16:56 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 7:13-24 (Monday)
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From chris at adebenham.com  Mon Apr 26 03:12:24 2010
From: chris at adebenham.com (Chris Debenham)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:12:24 +1000
Subject: [Linux4christians]
	=?utf-8?q?=22=E2=80=9CBring_Your_Guns_to_Churc?=
	=?utf-8?b?aOKAnSBTdW5kYXki?=
In-Reply-To: <4BD4628D.4020003@lightlink.com>
References: <4BD4628D.4020003@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <i2w97eb34751004260012sc9573b24k34f2e15a458d84a@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent verses.  Re-reading them reminds me once again how lucky we
are that we don't live in old testament times.  I am so thankful that
no longer do we need to live with such violence - rather we are asked
to 'love one another as I have loved you' (John 15:12)  It is very
hard to love someone so much that you want to shoot them ;-)
We have the teachings of Jesus to show us how to live now - thanks to
the peaceful sacrifice of Jesus we too can have peace.
Matthew 5:9, Matthew 26:52, John 18:11, 1 Corinthians 7:15, 2
Corinthians 10:3-4, 1 Peter 2:23

On 26 April 2010 01:41, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com> wrote:
> Some of you won't agree with the position of this author. I happen to agree.
> At the very least, it deserves your through reading and study. Those of you
> outside the USA might not understand our Christian history and heritage
> here, but you certainly should understand the Biblical references.
> And, yes, I know this is often a subject that many would just as soon avoid,
> but I'm not known for doing that. ;)
>
> Fred
>
> Christians should be aware that the use of force in preservation of life is
> a biblical doctrine (Ex. 22:2?3; Prov. 24:10?12; Est. 8?9; Neh. 4; cp. John
> 15:13?14). Likewise, those who possessed weapons in Scripture are often said
> to be well skilled in the use of them (Judg. 20:15?16; 1 Chron. 12:1?2,
> 21?22). We can only surmise that 1) God gave them talent in this regard, and
> that 2) they engaged in target practice regularly. Further, under biblical
> law, to be disarmed was to be enslaved and led to a disruption of the
> economic order due to government regulations and monopolies (1 Sam
> 13:19?22). But the mere presence of a couple weapons had psychological
> effects that put criminals to flight (1 Sam 13). There is a reason why
> Scripture tells these stories: they illustrate the defense of life, liberty,
> and property in the midst of a fallen world (and fallen governments).
>
> http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/3457/-Bring-Your-Guns-to-Church-Sunday
>
> --
> "A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
> chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>

From karl at kleinpaste.org  Mon Apr 26 07:51:28 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:51:28 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?utf-8?q?=22=E2=80=9CBring_Your_Guns_to_Churc?=
 =?utf-8?b?aOKAnSBTdW5kYXki?=
In-Reply-To: <i2w97eb34751004260012sc9573b24k34f2e15a458d84a@mail.gmail.com>
	(Chris Debenham's message of "Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:12:24 +1000")
References: <4BD4628D.4020003@lightlink.com>
	<i2w97eb34751004260012sc9573b24k34f2e15a458d84a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <vxky6gae8jj.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>

Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com> writes:
> Excellent verses.  Re-reading them reminds me once again how lucky we
> are that we don't live in old testament times.  I am so thankful that
> no longer do we need to live with such violence

That you believe yourself not to live with violence is an accident of
happenstance in your overly-cushy, probably North American, and likely
middle class life.  When you next inadvertently stumble upon someone
carrying out an act of violence against a loved one -- say, the rape of
your wife -- I invite you to love the perpetrator and thereby get his
violent action to stop.  While you wait patiently for him to succumb to
the value of your love, your loved one will suffer as you stand by.  I'm
sure she will understand.

On the other hand, I will be content with my conscience to swing a mace
across the perpetrator's skull.

Not all violence has equal moral weight, and the desire to believe so is
a sick post-modernistic perversion.  The violence which stops others'
violence is /good/.

From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Mon Apr 26 07:58:50 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?windows-1252?q?=22=93Bring_Your_Guns_to_Chur?=
 =?windows-1252?q?ch=94_Sunday=22?=
In-Reply-To: <vxky6gae8jj.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
References: <4BD4628D.4020003@lightlink.com>	<i2w97eb34751004260012sc9573b24k34f2e15a458d84a@mail.gmail.com>
	<vxky6gae8jj.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
Message-ID: <4BD57FFA.200@thelinuxlink.net>

Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com> writes:
>> Excellent verses.  Re-reading them reminds me once again how lucky we
>> are that we don't live in old testament times.  I am so thankful that
>> no longer do we need to live with such violence
> 
> That you believe yourself not to live with violence is an accident of
> happenstance in your overly-cushy, probably North American, and likely
> middle class life.  When you next inadvertently stumble upon someone
> carrying out an act of violence against a loved one -- say, the rape of
> your wife -- I invite you to love the perpetrator and thereby get his
> violent action to stop.  While you wait patiently for him to succumb to
> the value of your love, your loved one will suffer as you stand by.  I'm
> sure she will understand.
> 
> On the other hand, I will be content with my conscience to swing a mace
> across the perpetrator's skull.
> 
> Not all violence has equal moral weight, and the desire to believe so is
> a sick post-modernistic perversion.  The violence which stops others'
> violence is /good/.

Certainly I would defend my family to the death.  Even Jesus chased the 
money changers out of the temple with a whip (yes I read the KJV). :-) 
There is a lot of study info out there on "Righteous Anger".  Check some 
of it out.

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...

From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr 26 19:15:30 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:15:30 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my next
 laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
Message-ID: <4BD61E92.20906@lightlink.com>

http://www.system76.com/

-- 
"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From gorkon at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 19:21:54 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:21:54 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my next
	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
In-Reply-To: <4BD61E92.20906@lightlink.com>
References: <4BD61E92.20906@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <j2w6dd08b11004261621y65691145y3a0db7e3da0dbd0d@mail.gmail.com>

Dann likes his alot.  I want one but no money right now.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com> wrote:
> http://www.system76.com/
>
> --
> "A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
> chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>



-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From wa3fkg at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 19:38:58 2010
From: wa3fkg at gmail.com (Ken Sprouse)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my next
	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
In-Reply-To: <4BD61E92.20906@lightlink.com>
References: <4BD61E92.20906@lightlink.com>
Message-ID: <p2ic6cfdfaa1004261638h656ca598wf965168da0b1a032@mail.gmail.com>

I have never dealt with them personally but I have heard lots of good things
about them.

Here is another dealer that offers pre-installed Linux systems and some
designed specifically for blind users.

http://www.frostbitesystems.com/

<http://www.frostbitesystems.com/>

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>wrote:

>  http://www.system76.com/
>
> --
> "A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
> chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>


-- 
Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG      John 3:16  http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 19:43:02 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:43:02 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my next
	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
In-Reply-To: <p2ic6cfdfaa1004261638h656ca598wf965168da0b1a032@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD61E92.20906@lightlink.com>
	<p2ic6cfdfaa1004261638h656ca598wf965168da0b1a032@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <q2s6dd08b11004261643y644bdc2ag85a09f7c18551345@mail.gmail.com>

and ZaReason makes awesome machines too: http://zareason.com



On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Ken Sprouse <wa3fkg at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have never dealt with them personally but I have heard lots of good things
> about them.
> Here is another dealer that offers pre-installed Linux systems and some
> designed specifically for blind users.
> http://www.frostbitesystems.com/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.system76.com/
>>
>> --
>> "A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
>> chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux4christians mailing list
>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG ? ? ?John 3:16 ?http://wa3fkg.blogspot.com
> You meet the nicest people at a TEA Party.
> The box said "Win98/2000/XP or better" so I installed Linux!
> Smith & Wesson - The ultimate point and click user interface.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>



-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From htgage3 at chartermi.net  Mon Apr 26 20:28:26 2010
From: htgage3 at chartermi.net (htgage3 at chartermi.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?utf-8?q?=22=E2=80=9CBring_Your_Guns_to_Churc?=
 =?utf-8?b?aOKAnSBTdW5kYXki?=
In-Reply-To: <vxky6gae8jj.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
Message-ID: <20100426202826.1O9Q0.5246826.root@mp06>

Karl, 

I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again! 

Taz

---- Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org> wrote: 
> Chris Debenham <chris at adebenham.com> writes:
> > Excellent verses.  Re-reading them reminds me once again how lucky we
> > are that we don't live in old testament times.  I am so thankful that
> > no longer do we need to live with such violence
> 
> That you believe yourself not to live with violence is an accident of
> happenstance in your overly-cushy, probably North American, and likely
> middle class life.  When you next inadvertently stumble upon someone
> carrying out an act of violence against a loved one -- say, the rape of
> your wife -- I invite you to love the perpetrator and thereby get his
> violent action to stop.  While you wait patiently for him to succumb to
> the value of your love, your loved one will suffer as you stand by.  I'm
> sure she will understand.
> 
> On the other hand, I will be content with my conscience to swing a mace
> across the perpetrator's skull.
> 
> Not all violence has equal moral weight, and the desire to believe so is
> a sick post-modernistic perversion.  The violence which stops others'
> violence is /good/.
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians


From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr 26 21:06:35 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:06:35 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?windows-1252?q?=22=93Bring_Your_Guns_to_Chur?=
 =?windows-1252?q?ch=94_Sunday=22?=
In-Reply-To: <vxky6gae8jj.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
References: <4BD4628D.4020003@lightlink.com>	<i2w97eb34751004260012sc9573b24k34f2e15a458d84a@mail.gmail.com>
	<vxky6gae8jj.fsf@awol.kleinpaste.org>
Message-ID: <4BD6389B.8050100@lightlink.com>

On 04/26/2010 07:51 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> Chris Debenham<chris at adebenham.com>  writes:
>    
>> >  Excellent verses.  Re-reading them reminds me once again how lucky we
>> >  are that we don't live in old testament times.  I am so thankful that
>> >  no longer do we need to live with such violence
>>      
> That you believe yourself not to live with violence is an accident of
> happenstance in your overly-cushy, probably North American, and likely
> middle class life.  When you next inadvertently stumble upon someone
> carrying out an act of violence against a loved one -- say, the rape of
> your wife -- I invite you to love the perpetrator and thereby get his
> violent action to stop.  While you wait patiently for him to succumb to
> the value of your love, your loved one will suffer as you stand by.  I'm
> sure she will understand.
>
> On the other hand, I will be content with my conscience to swing a mace
> across the perpetrator's skull.
>
> Not all violence has equal moral weight, and the desire to believe so is
> a sick post-modernistic perversion.  The violence which stops others'
> violence is/good/.
>    

Quite right! Here is a reference that is appropriate, I think. Some will
discredit it because it's Catholic, which is ignorant, some will claim that
it only refers to war, which is also wrong. It applies to war AND 
individuals.
In the VERY EARLY church, one thing taught was to NOT just throw you
life away. NOT defending yours and other lives IS simply throwing life
away.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Just_War_Doctrine_1.asp

Fred

-- 
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr 26 21:14:07 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:14:07 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On 04/26/2010 07:51 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> Chris Debenham<chris at adebenham.com>  writes:
>    
>> >  Excellent verses.  Re-reading them reminds me once again how lucky we
>> >  are that we don't live in old testament times.  I am so thankful that
>> >  no longer do we need to live with such violence
>>      
> That you believe yourself not to live with violence is an accident of
> happenstance in your overly-cushy, probably North American, and likely
> middle class life.  When you next inadvertently stumble upon someone
> carrying out an act of violence against a loved one -- say, the rape of
> your wife -- I invite you to love the perpetrator and thereby get his
> violent action to stop.  While you wait patiently for him to succumb to
> the value of your love, your loved one will suffer as you stand by.  I'm
> sure she will understand.
>
> On the other hand, I will be content with my conscience to swing a mace
> across the perpetrator's skull.
>
> Not all violence has equal moral weight, and the desire to believe so is
> a sick post-modernistic perversion.  The violence which stops others'
> violence is/good/.
>    

I remembered something else after I sent my response. Mark my words,
as this WILL BE something MANY Christians will have to deal with
in ALL of the free world, as Islam grows in numbers (they out-breed ALL
others) the increase in ALL forms of felonies toward Christians WILL
become greater than what most of you can imagine. This is part of the
plans of the Imams for our near future.

As you indicated, it's very easy for someone to sit in his house at his
'puter and think that he's going to be a pacifist. If you indeed are going
to take that position, you had better make certain you are correct in it. I
don't happen to think that it's correct.

Fred

-- 
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Apr 26 22:23:24 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:23:24 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 8:1-5 (Tuesday)
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Mon Apr 26 22:38:53 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:38:53 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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By way of providing scriptural support, that Catholic essay cites Luke 22:36
("let him who is without a sword sell his cloak and buy one"), but that's
half of the entire sentence and certainly taken out of context.  Christ was
giving His disciples explicit instructions... but to what purpose?  The
incident with Peter at the time of the arrest makes it clear that Jesus did
*not* want armed resistance.  I found an interesting discussion of the
passage here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/luke_22_36.htm

(it's not an Islamic site as you might guess from the name, it's a Christian
apologetics site designed for responding to Islamic criticism of
Christianity).  Briefly, the author suggests that the immediately following
verse "For it is written: 'He was numbered among the transgressors'" is the
reason for the swords.  Not to physically repel attackers, but to fulfill
prophecy.  When they said they had two swords, Christ said that was enough.
Obviously not enough for defense against soldiers and a mob, but enough for
the only purpose for which He needed the swords.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>wrote:

>  When you next inadvertently stumble upon someone carrying out an act of
> violence against a loved one -- say, the rape of your wife -- I invite you
> to love the perpetrator and thereby get his violent action to stop. While
> you wait patiently for him to succumb to the value of your love, your loved
> one will suffer as you stand by. I'm sure she will understand. On the other
> hand, I will be content with my conscience to swing a mace across the
> perpetrator's skull. Not all violence has equal moral weight, and the desire
> to believe so is a sick post-modernistic perversion. The violence which
> stops others' violence is */good/*.
>

Is it?  Did Christ order the disciples to use violence to defend one
another, or did He heal an attacker's injury?  Understand I'm not saying I
could do that; when my family's back is up against the wall I would probably
do anything and everything to protect them.  But just because I would be
unable to turn the other cheek doesn't mean we're not expected to.

You may be right, Fred; I just don't know where to draw the line.  I can
only pray I am never put in the position to find out.


> I remembered something else after I sent my response. Mark my words,
> as this WILL BE something MANY Christians will have to deal with
> in ALL of the free world, as Islam grows in numbers (they out-breed ALL
> others) the increase in ALL forms of felonies toward Christians WILL
> become greater than what most of you can imagine. This is part of the
> plans of the Imams for our near future.
>
> I believe when the time comes for us to actively and violently defend our
faith against the enemy, God will see to it that there is no room for
misinterpretation or debate; He will make it 100% clear whom and when to
attack, and to what extent.  When He led the Israelites to the promised
land, He gave them clear instructions: Attack these people, do not attack
those people, in this town kill every living thing, in that town take the
survivors as slaves, in this town burn every stick of wood to the ground, in
that town you may take the spoils for yourselves, etc.  The worst thing we
can do is decide on our own that God would want us to pick up that AK-47 if
only He were here to tell us.  He WILL tell us, I absolutely trust Him to do
that.

Shalom,
*PBS*
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Mon Apr 26 23:48:50 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:48:50 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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I don't know about the whole "bring your guns to church Sunday"
thing but ...

The verses - which are far too often misinterpreted as promoting
pacifism - were not intended as such, indeed Jesus was without
sin and used physical violence in clearing the Temple, He did
not instruct the Centurion to cease being a Centurion, nor did
He tell Peter to neither carry nor use his sword against anyone
(He only said that that one circumstance was inappropriate
because He was in the process of fulfilling prophesy).

The only religion of which I am aware which specifically teaches
unconditional pacifism is the Bahai faith.

 > Chris Debenham wrote:
> Excellent verses.  Re-reading them reminds me once again how lucky we
> are that we don't live in old testament times.  I am so thankful that
> no longer do we need to live with such violence - rather we are asked
> to 'love one another as I have loved you' (John 15:12)  It is very
> hard to love someone so much that you want to shoot them ;-)
> We have the teachings of Jesus to show us how to live now - thanks to
> the peaceful sacrifice of Jesus we too can have peace.
> Matthew 5:9, Matthew 26:52, John 18:11, 1 Corinthians 7:15, 2
> Corinthians 10:3-4, 1 Peter 2:23
>
> On 26 April 2010 01:41, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com> wrote:
>   
>> Some of you won't agree with the position of this author. I happen to agree.
>> At the very least, it deserves your through reading and study. Those of you
>> outside the USA might not understand our Christian history and heritage
>> here, but you certainly should understand the Biblical references.
>> And, yes, I know this is often a subject that many would just as soon avoid,
>> but I'm not known for doing that. ;)
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> Christians should be aware that the use of force in preservation of life is
>> a biblical doctrine (Ex. 22:2?3; Prov. 24:10?12; Est. 8?9; Neh. 4; cp. John
>> 15:13?14). Likewise, those who possessed weapons in Scripture are often said
>> to be well skilled in the use of them (Judg. 20:15?16; 1 Chron. 12:1?2,
>> 21?22). We can only surmise that 1) God gave them talent in this regard, and
>> that 2) they engaged in target practice regularly. Further, under biblical
>> law, to be disarmed was to be enslaved and led to a disruption of the
>> economic order due to government regulations and monopolies (1 Sam
>> 13:19?22). But the mere presence of a couple weapons had psychological
>> effects that put criminals to flight (1 Sam 13). There is a reason why
>> Scripture tells these stories: they illustrate the defense of life, liberty,
>> and property in the midst of a fallen world (and fallen governments).
>>
>> http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/3457/-Bring-Your-Guns-to-Church-Sunday
>>     

-- 

"Learning to love like Jesus."  Eph. 4:2
Have an http://Ultrafidian.com Day!  Pastor David
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bible Commentary & Daily Reflection-Action-Devotional
http://bibleseven.com/b7/b7studies.html
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr 26 23:41:47 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:41:47 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On 04/26/2010 10:38 PM, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
> Is it?  Did Christ order the disciples to use violence to defend one 
> another, or did He heal an attacker's injury?  Understand I'm not 
> saying I could do that; when my family's back is up against the wall I 
> would probably do anything and everything to protect them.  But just 
> because I would be unable to turn the other cheek doesn't mean we're 
> not expected to.

I don't believe we're expected to in all cases.
>
> You may be right, Fred; I just don't know where to draw the line.  I 
> can only pray I am never put in the position to find out.

Me as well!! As I said, I've only pulled a handgun once and put 2" of 
steel behind a perp's right ear JUST as he was going to penetrate a 
woman.....had a knife to her throat. I gave him the option of ending his 
life and making a mess for everyone, or letting go of the knife, rolling 
off of her and staying spread-egaled with his pants down till the cops 
got there. He chose the later. Would I have killed him? Yes.....I would 
have, had he not given me any choice. It's NOT an easy position to be 
in.....trust me.

>
>     I remembered something else after I sent my response. Mark my words,
>     as this WILL BE something MANY Christians will have to deal with
>     in ALL of the free world, as Islam grows in numbers (they
>     out-breed ALL
>     others) the increase in ALL forms of felonies toward Christians WILL
>     become greater than what most of you can imagine. This is part of the
>     plans of the Imams for our near future.
>
> I believe when the time comes for us to actively and violently defend 
> our faith against the enemy, God will see to it that there is no room 
> for misinterpretation or debate; He will make it 100% clear whom and 
> when to attack, and to what extent.  When He led the Israelites to the 
> promised land, He gave them clear instructions: Attack these people, 
> do not attack those people, in this town kill every living thing, in 
> that town take the survivors as slaves, in this town burn every stick 
> of wood to the ground, in that town you may take the spoils for 
> yourselves, etc.  The worst thing we can do is decide on our own that 
> God would want us to pick up that AK-47 if only He were here to tell 
> us.  He WILL tell us, I absolutely trust Him to do that.

I don't think it's a matter of attacking, as it is protecting yourself 
and others from attack. And, an AK-47 isn't anywhere near as accurate as 
an AR-15, by the way. ;)

Fred

-- 
"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Mon Apr 26 23:55:59 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
> Karl,
>
> I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
>    

[snip]

I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more 
than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure 
does save the tax payers a lot of money.

Fred

-- 
"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder


From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 27 00:31:18 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:31:18 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my
 next	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
In-Reply-To: <q2s6dd08b11004261643y644bdc2ag85a09f7c18551345@mail.gmail.com>
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On 04/26/2010 07:43 PM, Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
> and ZaReason makes awesome machines too:http://zareason.com
>    

The more the better! ;)

Fred

-- 
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chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 27 00:40:41 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:40:41 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my next
 laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
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On 04/26/2010 07:21 PM, Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
> Dann likes his alot.  I want one but no money right now.
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Fred A. Miller<fmiller at lightlink.com>  wrote:
>    
>> http://www.system76.com/
>>      

I've heard good stuff about them......kinda would like to order their 
top desktop (loaded) myself. But, now now.........:(

Fred

-- 
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 27 01:09:43 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:09:43 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: Air Force
Message-ID: <4BD67197.4070902@lightlink.com>

It's been said that the US Air Force uses this for fighter
pilots. They are expected to last for at least 2 minutes.
Give it a try but be careful...it is addictive (or forward
it to someone you want to frustrate)

http://members.iinet.net.au/~pontipak/redsquare.html

-- 
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Tue Apr 27 01:24:50 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:24:50 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my next
	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
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I wish laptops were open architecture.  I miss the days of being able to
shop around for parts and build my custom machine just the way I like it.  I
still do that with my desktop, but I'm gonna have to join the rest of my
family in the 21st century one of these days and get a laptop...

> On 04/26/2010 07:43 PM, Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
> and ZaReason makes awesome machines too: http://zareason.com
>
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From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Tue Apr 27 06:05:48 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:05:48 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
> > Karl,
> >
> > I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
> >    
> 
> [snip]
> 
> I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more 
> than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure 
> does save the tax payers a lot of money.

  Only actual life in prison or death will stop such a person, (outside
of a conversion experience), there are substitutes for genitalia.


From jonathon.blake at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 09:13:57 2010
From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:13:57 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=22=22Bring_Your_Guns_to_Church?=
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> I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more than once convicted rapist!

If the intent is to prevent the person from ever committing that act
again, the _only_ punishment that achieves that aim is death.

The point of rape is power over others, not sexual gratification.
Amputation/removal of the genitalia won't solve the power issue.

jonathon
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From karl at kleinpaste.org  Tue Apr 27 09:26:19 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:26:19 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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	"Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:55:59 -0400")
References: <20100426202826.1O9Q0.5246826.root@mp06>
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"Fred A. Miller" <fmiller at lightlink.com> writes:
> I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any

Look, guys, I wasn't constructing a specific use case.  It was a generic
counterpoint for "you now have in this instance a moral obligation to
provide physical protection to others" [not just family, BTW] and I merely
attached one extremely strong example to drive the point home clearly.

Don't extrapolate the point being made beyond its context, ferpetesake.

From jonathon.blake at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 09:26:18 2010
From: jonathon.blake at gmail.com (jonathon)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:26:18 +0000
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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Karl Kleinpaste wrote:

> When you next inadvertently stumble upon someone carrying out an act
of violence against a loved one

In Daoist philosophy, violence done to one is a reflection of the
violence within one.  Echoes of this are found in Buddhist, Muslim, and
Christian theology, albeit maybe not as clearly stated.  (I'll grant
claiming that anything in Daoism is clearly stated is a bit of a stretch.)

> Not all violence has equal moral weight, and the desire to believe so is a sick post-modernistic perversion. 

That implies that The Sermon on the Mount is a post-modern perversion of
the core teachings of Christianity.

Those teachings are the hardest to grasp, because they are so
counter-intuitive.  Yet history has repeatedly demonstrated that they
are the most effective for living.

jonathon
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From karl at kleinpaste.org  Tue Apr 27 09:33:16 2010
From: karl at kleinpaste.org (Karl Kleinpaste)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:33:16 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] ""Bring Your Guns to Church" Sunday"
In-Reply-To: <4BD6E5FA.5020903@gmail.com> (jonathon's message of "Tue, 27 Apr
	2010 13:26:18 +0000")
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jonathon <jonathon.blake at gmail.com> writes:
> That implies that The Sermon on the Mount is a post-modern perversion of
> the core teachings of Christianity.

It implies nothing of the sort, and for you to believe so informs me
that you have given precious little weight to Christ's not-so-pacifist
leanings in numerous other areas.  Examples have been previously given.

From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Tue Apr 27 11:02:07 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:02:07 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my
 next	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
In-Reply-To: <q2r7d9775d31004262224i9ce41b8fqd7a66f4e10083a40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4BD61E92.20906@lightlink.com>	<p2ic6cfdfaa1004261638h656ca598wf965168da0b1a032@mail.gmail.com>	<q2s6dd08b11004261643y644bdc2ag85a09f7c18551345@mail.gmail.com>
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On 04/26/2010 10:24 PM, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
> I wish laptops were open architecture.  I miss the days of being able 
> to shop around for parts and build my custom machine just the way I 
> like it.  I still do that with my desktop, but I'm gonna have to join 
> the rest of my family in the 21st century one of these days and get a 
> laptop...
>
>>     On 04/26/2010 07:43 PM, Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
>>     and ZaReason makes awesome machines too:http://zareason.com
>>        
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>    
PowerNotebooks ( http://www.powernotebooks.com ) sells custom built 
laptops... The next best thing.
Looks like the OS options are Windows or "None" but they do have an 
entire forum section dedicated to using Linux on their offerings.
( http://www.powernotebooksforums.com/index.php?c=4 )

I did notice they're a bit steep in the pocket as well; I didn't see 
anything starting for under $700 and most of their offerings are in the 
mid-high $1000's.

I DO like their tagline, however:
"We live to serve Him and you"

-Eddy
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From gorkon at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 11:08:13 2010
From: gorkon at gmail.com (Joel Mclaughlin)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:08:13 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my next
	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
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Nonsense.  You can buy Barebones machines and build your own laptop.
Not as easy as a desktop and there aren't as many choices, but you can
practically have anything you want....it will just cost ya.

Check out: http://www.directron.com/notsys.html

While I haven't done it myself, it IS doable.



On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Eddy Martin <hpp3 at lavabit.com> wrote:
> On 04/26/2010 10:24 PM, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
>
> I wish laptops were open architecture.? I miss the days of being able to
> shop around for parts and build my custom machine just the way I like it.? I
> still do that with my desktop, but I'm gonna have to join the rest of my
> family in the 21st century one of these days and get a laptop...
>>
>> On 04/26/2010 07:43 PM, Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
>> and ZaReason makes awesome machines too: http://zareason.com
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>
> PowerNotebooks ( http://www.powernotebooks.com ) sells custom built
> laptops... The next best thing.
> Looks like the OS options are Windows or "None" but they do have an entire
> forum section dedicated to using Linux on their offerings.
> ( http://www.powernotebooksforums.com/index.php?c=4 )
>
> I did notice they're a bit steep in the pocket as well; I didn't see
> anything starting for under $700 and most of their offerings are in the
> mid-high $1000's.
>
> I DO like their tagline, however:
> "We live to serve Him and you"
>
> -Eddy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>
>



-- 
Joel McLaughlin
Life in Ohio Podcast
life.in.ohio.pod at gmail.com
gorkon at gmail.com
http://lifeinohio.libsyn.com
joel at geardiary.com
geardiary.com

From bstaggs at staggs.net  Tue Apr 27 12:54:15 2010
From: bstaggs at staggs.net (Billy F. Staggs)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=22=93Bring_Your_Guns_to_Church?=
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Greetings,

I don't profess to know much of anything about human behavior or
psychology, but I have turned a number of bulls into steers and to date I
have not seen one of them NOT lose (or even develop) an aggressive nature.
 I see no reason to doubt that the same would not also be true about men,
since their primary source of man hormone would be removed.

Way back when I was in high school the coaches gave us a speech before
each years weight training that heavy workouts would cause an increase in
testosterone and thereby making us have more aggressive tendencies. Isn't
there clinical proof of ?roid rage??

--
bstaggs <><



From mohair at singingfalls.com  Tue Apr 27 17:45:51 2010
From: mohair at singingfalls.com (singingfalls)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:45:51 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Biblical Hebrew
In-Reply-To: <4BD6E315.3030606@gmail.com>
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I am interested in a course for Biblical Hebrew that will work with 
Linux. I am not interested in using WINE for this purpose. Any leads 
would be appreciated.

ox


From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 27 19:17:14 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:17:14 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?windows-1252?q?=22=93Bring_Your_Guns_to_Chur?=
 =?windows-1252?q?ch=94_Sunday=22?=
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On 04/27/2010 06:05 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
>    
>> On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
>>      
>>> Karl,
>>>
>>> I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
>>>
>>>        
>> [snip]
>>
>> I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more
>> than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure
>> does save the tax payers a lot of money.
>>      
>    Only actual life in prison or death will stop such a person, (outside
> of a conversion experience), there are substitutes for genitalia.
>    

The last statistics I looked at, which admittedly aren't recent, showed 
that once the gonads were removed, the individual was almost certain not 
to commit a sex crime again. If there's newer data to prove otherwise, 
I'd like to have a link to it.

Fred

-- 
"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr 27 20:27:53 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:27:53 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 27 19:39:04 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:39:04 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On 04/27/2010 08:27 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> As a former criminal justice major and later on a counseling major
> my understanding has been that there are two elements to a sex
> crime, and only one of them is sexual, the other has to do with
> "power".
>
> OK, as Christians, we also know there is often an evil spiritual
> element as well.
>
> That said, when you remove the sexual "tool" you may also
> diminish a sources of a chemical imbalance that may or may not
> have contributed to the mental/physiological imbalance which
> led to the crime but you have not necessarily addressed the
> entire problem.

[snip]

Ok.....I understand what you're saying and have heard it before. Are
there any statistics anywhere to show that sterilization doesn't work. IF
not, then what is the best course of action....imprisonment?

Fred

-- 
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chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From htgage3 at chartermi.net  Tue Apr 27 21:52:08 2010
From: htgage3 at chartermi.net (htgage3 at chartermi.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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---- Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln at mnsi.net> wrote: 
> On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
> > > Karl,
> > >
> > > I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
> > >    
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more 
> > than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure 
> > does save the tax payers a lot of money.
> 
>   Only actual life in prison or death will stop such a person, (outside
> of a conversion experience), there are substitutes for genitalia.

True and agreed! But they would have no personal/physical contentment ( wrong words, sorry ) and they would have the enjoyment of their power over the person, and get off on it! To that end, they only way for it to end is to actually have them to die, either from the shock of having their genitals removed or from the blood loose. And when I say their genitals, I mean everything that is soft and dangly,  down there!
Then if they die, they die. It is either the perps or their victims, and I'll go for the victims to live, and not be injured in any way, other than emotionally.


______________________________________________
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> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians


From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Tue Apr 27 22:39:50 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 8:6-14 (Wednesday)
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From satimis at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 22:05:42 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Bible Verse - Traditional Chinese translation
Message-ID: <231901.25783.qm@web113210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi David,


Here comes the Traditional Chinese translation of the Bible verse, linbread.dat.  Any further question please contact me directly.  Thanks

B.R.
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Tue Apr 27 22:18:55 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?windows-1252?q?=22=93Bring_Your_Guns_to_Chur?=
 =?windows-1252?q?ch=94_Sunday=22?=
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On 04/27/2010 09:52 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
> ---- Mike McMullin<mwmcmlln at mnsi.net>  wrote:
>    
>> >  On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
>>      
>>> >  >  On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM,htgage3 at chartermi.net  wrote:
>>>        
>>>> >  >  >  Karl,
>>>> >  >  >
>>>> >  >  >  I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
>>>> >  >  >  
>>>>          
>>> >  >  
>>> >  >  [snip]
>>> >  >  
>>> >  >  I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more
>>> >  >  than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure
>>> >  >  does save the tax payers a lot of money.
>>>        
>> >  
>> >     Only actual life in prison or death will stop such a person, (outside
>> >  of a conversion experience), there are substitutes for genitalia.
>>      
> True and agreed! But they would have no personal/physical contentment ( wrong words, sorry ) and they would have the enjoyment of their power over the person, and get off on it! To that end, they only way for it to end is to actually have them to die, either from the shock of having their genitals removed or from the blood loose. And when I say their genitals, I mean everything that is soft and dangly,  down there!
>    
> Then if they die, they die. It is either the perps or their victims, and I'll go for the victims to live, and not be injured in any way, other than emotionally.
>    

I can't argue that! And, maybe castration isn't the answer.....maybe 
castration AND imprisonment would be better. When children are involved, 
and yes, I know that "sin is sin," I have a VERY ROUGH time controlling 
my emotions. I can't get over the feeling that a repeat child molester 
shouldn't be allowed to live. This is one area, brothers, I really have 
a hard time dealing with.....I guess because I've been close enough to 
enough families where this has occurred.

Fred

-- 
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chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Wed Apr 28 00:16:13 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:16:13 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>wrote:

>  Ok.....I understand what you're saying and have heard it before. Are
> there any statistics anywhere to show that sterilization doesn't work. IF
> not, then what is the best course of action....imprisonment?
>
>
Ask and ye shall receive:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender#Therapies

Key phrase:
Physical castration appears to be highly effective as, historically, it
results in a 20-year re-offense rate of less than 2.3% vs. 80% in the
untreated control group, according to a large 1963 study involving a total
of 1036 sex offenders by the German researcher A. Langel?ddeke

That's doing the full, irreversible snippety-snip.  So-called "chemical
castration", which is reversible and usually a voluntary option to longer
prison time, isn't so cut-and-dried (no pun intended, heh).  However, I did
find one study that claims chemical castration reduces recidivism rates from
79% to 2%:
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1778

Here's a depressing statistic from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender#Sex_offenders.5B2.5D
Approximately 4,300 child molesters were released from prisons in 15 States
in 1994. An estimated 3.3% of these 4,300 were rearrested for another sex
crime against a child within 3 years of release from prison.

That works out to 142 child molesters who committed a second act against a
child within 3 years of release from a previous attack on a child.  "only"
3.3% is 142 too many!

Depressed,
*PBS*
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr 28 00:23:03 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:23:03 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On 04/28/2010 12:16 AM, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
> Here's a depressing statistic from
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender#Sex_offenders.5B2.5D
> Approximately 4,300 child molesters were released from prisons in 15 
> States in 1994. An estimated 3.3% of these 4,300 were rearrested for 
> another sex crime against a child within 3 years of release from prison.
>
> That works out to 142 child molesters who committed a second act 
> against a child within 3 years of release from a previous attack on a 
> child.  "only" 3.3% is 142 too many!

You are correct.....WAY too many!

Fred

-- 
"A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a
chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr 28 00:57:49 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] I think I'll use these guys for my
 next	laptop/and/or desktop! 'Come WELL recommended!
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On 04/27/2010 11:02 AM, Eddy Martin wrote:
> On 04/26/2010 10:24 PM, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
>> I wish laptops were open architecture.  I miss the days of being able 
>> to shop around for parts and build my custom machine just the way I 
>> like it.  I still do that with my desktop, but I'm gonna have to join 
>> the rest of my family in the 21st century one of these days and get a 
>> laptop...
>>
>>>     On 04/26/2010 07:43 PM, Joel Mclaughlin wrote:
>>>     and ZaReason makes awesome machines too:http://zareason.com
>>>        
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>>    
> PowerNotebooks ( http://www.powernotebooks.com ) sells custom built 
> laptops... The next best thing.
> Looks like the OS options are Windows or "None" but they do have an 
> entire forum section dedicated to using Linux on their offerings.
> ( http://www.powernotebooksforums.com/index.php?c=4 )
>
> I did notice they're a bit steep in the pocket as well; I didn't see 
> anything starting for under $700 and most of their offerings are in 
> the mid-high $1000's.
>
> I DO like their tagline, however:
> "We live to serve Him and you"

Me too! I've seen some Sagar's before......NICE laptops....VERY well 
built from what I could see.

Fred

-- 
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chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders." - Larry Elder

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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Wed Apr 28 03:14:33 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (hpp3 at lavabit.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:14:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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I have just recently discovered the joys of internet radio through the
excellent VLC player. I can finally hear my favorite radio teaching
without worrying about the weather in our area wiping out the broadcast.

However, on the subject of music, I'm wondering if any of you know of any
internet broadcast, Shoutcast or Podcast that plays Hymns.
You know, the old Hymns of being Washed In the Blood, of Gathering by the
River, of Counting Many Blessings, etc.

I've sat through too many 'Worship' sessions where a breathy female
vocalist whispers sweet nothings to some acoustic guitar rendition of the
latest PW radio hit or, even worse, when a man does the same.
To my shame, I confess that many times I end up feeling unmoved at best
and downright embarrassed at worst when I should be lifting God's praises
to Heaven with all my heart.

A few months ago, our church invited a husband-wife duo who sang
rockabilly(!) renditions of those old hymns to lead worship one Sunday.
Folks, I was very nearly on my KNEES in TEARS to sing those classic,
powerful songs (with or without the talented accompaniment), and I long
for more.

So... any suggestions?

-Eddy






From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Wed Apr 28 06:01:01 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:01:01 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?utf-8?q?=22=E2=80=9CBring_Your_Guns_to_Churc?=
 =?utf-8?b?aOKAnSBTdW5kYXki?=
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On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 19:17 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On 04/27/2010 06:05 AM, Mike McMullin wrote: 
> > On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> >   
> > > On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
> > >     
> > > > Karl,
> > > > 
> > > > I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
> > > >    
> > > >       
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more 
> > > than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure 
> > > does save the tax payers a lot of money.
> > >     
> > Only actual life in prison or death will stop such a person, (outside
> > of a conversion experience), there are substitutes for genitalia.
> >   
> 
> The last statistics I looked at, which admittedly aren't recent,
> showed that once the gonads were removed, the individual was almost
> certain not to commit a sex crime again. If there's newer data to
> prove otherwise, I'd like to have a link to it.

  "almost certain not to commit", sad isn't it, like I said, life, death
or Real Life.  Someone mentioned that this isn't a sexual thing, that
it's a power thing, and I agree, also I am aware that women do commit
rape, so removing their testicles may not have the same effect.  


From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Wed Apr 28 06:12:25 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:12:25 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
 =?utf-8?q?=22=E2=80=9CBring_Your_Guns_to_Churc?=
 =?utf-8?b?aOKAnSBTdW5kYXki?=
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On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 21:52 -0400, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
> ---- Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln at mnsi.net> wrote: 
> > On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > > On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
> > > > Karl,
> > > >
> > > > I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
> > > >    
> > > 
> > > [snip]
> > > 
> > > I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more 
> > > than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure 
> > > does save the tax payers a lot of money.
> > 
> >   Only actual life in prison or death will stop such a person, (outside
> > of a conversion experience), there are substitutes for genitalia.
> 
> True and agreed! But they would have no personal/physical contentment ( wrong words, sorry ) and they would have the enjoyment of their power over the person, and get off on it! To that end, they only way for it to end is to actually have them to die, either from the shock of having their genitals removed or from the blood loose. And when I say their genitals, I mean everything that is soft and dangly,  down there!
> Then if they die, they die. It is either the perps or their victims, and I'll go for the victims to live, and not be injured in any way, other than emotionally.

  The scenario that you propose, in the manner that you describe it, is
illegal, at least in Canada.  If you can get a court to order the actual
removal of the genitalia, the chance of the person dieing from the
procedure is reduced dramatically, after all men have been surviving
this procedure for over 2000 years.


From l4c at thelinuxlink.net  Wed Apr 28 07:40:19 2010
From: l4c at thelinuxlink.net (l4c)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:40:19 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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hpp3 at lavabit.com wrote:
> I have just recently discovered the joys of internet radio through the
> excellent VLC player. I can finally hear my favorite radio teaching
> without worrying about the weather in our area wiping out the broadcast.
> 
> However, on the subject of music, I'm wondering if any of you know of any
> internet broadcast, Shoutcast or Podcast that plays Hymns.
> You know, the old Hymns of being Washed In the Blood, of Gathering by the
> River, of Counting Many Blessings, etc.
> 
> I've sat through too many 'Worship' sessions where a breathy female
> vocalist whispers sweet nothings to some acoustic guitar rendition of the
> latest PW radio hit or, even worse, when a man does the same.
> To my shame, I confess that many times I end up feeling unmoved at best
> and downright embarrassed at worst when I should be lifting God's praises
> to Heaven with all my heart.
> 
> A few months ago, our church invited a husband-wife duo who sang
> rockabilly(!) renditions of those old hymns to lead worship one Sunday.
> Folks, I was very nearly on my KNEES in TEARS to sing those classic,
> powerful songs (with or without the talented accompaniment), and I long
> for more.
> 
> So... any suggestions?
> 
> -Eddy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Linux4christians mailing list
> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians

I feel your pain.  I installed streamtuner and looked up "bluegrass gospel".

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...

From preston.lists at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 09:28:30 2010
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:28:30 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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hpp3 at lavabit.com wrote:
<snipped>
> I'm wondering if any of you know of any
> internet broadcast, Shoutcast or Podcast that plays Hymns.
> 
> So... any suggestions?
> 

Try HymnPod:
http://www.hymnpod.com/

Podfeed shows these:
http://www.podfeed.net/tags/Hymns


Live365 does streaming:
http://www.live365.com/index.live

as search for 'Christian Hymn' shows:
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?site=..&searchdesc=Christian+hymn&searchgenre=All&x=0&y=0


Old Christian Radio has a streaming options too.  just look where the 
link on the right side says 'high band':
http://www.oldchristianradio.com/

they have a direct mp3 streaming link that works with VLC also:
http://www.oldchristianradio.com/mcfnetwork1.m3u

You might possibly find something on Jamendo.
http://www.jamendo.com/

(I use the Tags to find music for my particular mood)
http://www.jamendo.com/en/tags


another option would be to search Last.fm
http://www.last.fm/search?

I typed in 'Southern Gospel' and got these:
http://www.last.fm/tag/Southern+Gospel

good luck in your search.

-- 

Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash...
http://www.arrantdrivel.com/

Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective
http://www.prestonboyington.com/

From raphink at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 09:40:04 2010
From: raphink at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_Pinson?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:40:04 +0200
Subject: [Linux4christians] Biblical Hebrew
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Hi,

To get started, you can have a look at http://www.hebrew4christians.com/,
it's very informative and well done.

Rapha?l



On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:45 PM, singingfalls <mohair at singingfalls.com>wrote:

> I am interested in a course for Biblical Hebrew that will work with Linux.
> I am not interested in using WINE for this purpose. Any leads would be
> appreciated.
>
> ox
>
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Wed Apr 28 11:39:31 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:39:31 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On 04/28/2010 04:40 AM, l4c wrote:
> hpp3 at lavabit.com wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> So... any suggestions?
>>
>> -Eddy
>>
>>
>
> I feel your pain.  I installed streamtuner and looked up "bluegrass 
> gospel".

Mmmm... Bluegrass.
I've got a soft spot for fiddles and banjos somewhere, I'll check it out.

-Eddy



From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Wed Apr 28 11:39:57 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 08:39:57 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On 04/28/2010 06:28 AM, Preston Boyington wrote:
> hpp3 at lavabit.com wrote:
> <snipped>
>> I'm wondering if any of you know of any
>> internet broadcast, Shoutcast or Podcast that plays Hymns.
>>
>> So... any suggestions?
>>
>
> Try HymnPod:
> http://www.hymnpod.com/
>
> Podfeed shows these:
> http://www.podfeed.net/tags/Hymns
>
>
> Live365 does streaming:
> http://www.live365.com/index.live
>
> as search for 'Christian Hymn' shows:
> http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?site=..&searchdesc=Christian+hymn&searchgenre=All&x=0&y=0 
>
>
>
> Old Christian Radio has a streaming options too.  just look where the 
> link on the right side says 'high band':
> http://www.oldchristianradio.com/
>
> they have a direct mp3 streaming link that works with VLC also:
> http://www.oldchristianradio.com/mcfnetwork1.m3u
>
> You might possibly find something on Jamendo.
> http://www.jamendo.com/
>
> (I use the Tags to find music for my particular mood)
> http://www.jamendo.com/en/tags
>
>
> another option would be to search Last.fm
> http://www.last.fm/search?
>
> I typed in 'Southern Gospel' and got these:
> http://www.last.fm/tag/Southern+Gospel
>
> good luck in your search.
>
WOW!
Thanks Preston, that's just what I was looking for.
I'll post back if I find anything particularly uplifting.

-Eddy



From preston.lists at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 12:00:23 2010
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:00:23 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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Eddy Martin wrote:
<snipped>

> WOW!
> Thanks Preston, that's just what I was looking for.
> I'll post back if I find anything particularly uplifting.

not a problem.  just remember 'your mileage may vary' as far as 
selection goes.  :)

-- 

Arrant Drivel - really, it's just trash...
http://www.arrantdrivel.com/

Where the road takes me - a highwayman's perspective
http://www.prestonboyington.com/

From mohair at singingfalls.com  Wed Apr 28 12:05:56 2010
From: mohair at singingfalls.com (singingfalls)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Biblical Hebrew
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Thank you Raphael. I am most grateful. I had been on that site and 
didn't really see what I was looking for. Will continue on.

Stan (aka ox)

? wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> To get started, you can have a look at http://www.hebrew4christians.com/,
> it's very informative and well done.
> 
> Rapha?l
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:45 PM, singingfalls <mohair at singingfalls.com>wrote:
> 
>> I am interested in a course for Biblical Hebrew that will work with Linux.
>> I am not interested in using WINE for this purpose. Any leads would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> ox
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Linux4christians mailing list
>> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
>> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
>>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From mwmcmlln at mnsi.net  Wed Apr 28 17:50:41 2010
From: mwmcmlln at mnsi.net (Mike McMullin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:50:41 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] marked as a spam source, how to fix?
Message-ID: <1272491441.10202.6.camel@P-733-Lin.MWMCMLLN-CA>


  I've gotten this in an e-mail from the Ubuntu users mailing list,
apparently my system is compromised (not!):

"Your message was held for moderation because SpamAssassin gave the
message a score of 3.6 for the following reasons: DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS,
FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS"

  I sent a query to the list owners several weeks back and got nada for
a reply, except that now I don't get a message telling me that the
article(s) was rejected, just the ones that the article(s) are awaiting
moderator approval.

  Frankly I'm baffled as to what the quoted means, and how to go about
fixing it, as it seems my queries are now spam and bit bucketed?


From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr 28 18:48:00 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:48:00 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On 04/28/2010 03:14 AM, hpp3 at lavabit.com wrote:
> I have just recently discovered the joys of internet radio through the
> excellent VLC player. I can finally hear my favorite radio teaching
> without worrying about the weather in our area wiping out the broadcast.
>
> However, on the subject of music, I'm wondering if any of you know of any
> internet broadcast, Shoutcast or Podcast that plays Hymns.
> You know, the old Hymns of being Washed In the Blood, of Gathering by the
> River, of Counting Many Blessings, etc.
>    

Me too!!

> I've sat through too many 'Worship' sessions where a breathy female
> vocalist whispers sweet nothings to some acoustic guitar rendition of the
> latest PW radio hit or, even worse, when a man does the same.
>    

'Makes me want to turn off the radio station or walk out of church! I'm 
sorry,
there are some music "styles" that are simply NOT respectful to God! Yes,
I'm classically trained, so I'm used to and prefer REAL music. And, I just
don't buy the excuses that we have to reach the youth. This garbage has
been going on for sometime now, and it HASN'T helped bring youth to
Christ. Now, that's a heavy does of reality, but it's still reality.

> To my shame, I confess that many times I end up feeling unmoved at best
> and downright embarrassed at worst when I should be lifting God's praises
> to Heaven with all my heart.
>    

Yep.......very hard to worship in a manner that you know isn't correct.

> A few months ago, our church invited a husband-wife duo who sang
> rockabilly(!) renditions of those old hymns to lead worship one Sunday.
> Folks, I was very nearly on my KNEES in TEARS to sing those classic,
> powerful songs (with or without the talented accompaniment), and I long
> for more.
>
> So... any suggestions?
>    

I'd like some myself. All we have here for Christian radio is the Family 
Network
and I find myself listening to a classical music station, even though 
it's pure
liberal trash, rather than be sickened by modern Christian "noise." They 
recently
finished a telethon and I thought long and hard about giving them money 
because
I do like a lot of the programing, but the music just turns my stomach a 
good deal
of the time, so I didn't.

Fred

-- 
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except for a few public officials." -- George Mason

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr 28 18:56:11 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:56:11 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians]
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On 04/28/2010 06:01 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 19:17 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
>    
>> On 04/27/2010 06:05 AM, Mike McMullin wrote:
>>      
>>> On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 23:55 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> On 04/26/2010 08:28 PM, htgage3 at chartermi.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> Karl,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that it wouldn't be a mace...but rather a knife across his gentials!! That way he cannot ever do that dastardly act again!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> I have LONG held that this is what should happen to any and ALL more
>>>> than once convicted rapist!! It's takes care of the problem and sure
>>>> does save the tax payers a lot of money.
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> Only actual life in prison or death will stop such a person, (outside
>>> of a conversion experience), there are substitutes for genitalia.
>>>
>>>        
>> The last statistics I looked at, which admittedly aren't recent,
>> showed that once the gonads were removed, the individual was almost
>> certain not to commit a sex crime again. If there's newer data to
>> prove otherwise, I'd like to have a link to it.
>>      
>    "almost certain not to commit", sad isn't it, like I said, life, death
> or Real Life.  Someone mentioned that this isn't a sexual thing, that
> it's a power thing, and I agree, also I am aware that women do commit
> rape, so removing their testicles may not have the same effect
>    

I KNEW one of you "critters" was going to do that. ;)

Fred

-- 
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr 28 20:02:22 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:38:25 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 6:15-19 (Thursday)
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From hpp3 at lavabit.com  Wed Apr 28 22:06:33 2010
From: hpp3 at lavabit.com (Eddy Martin)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:06:33 -0700
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On 04/28/2010 05:02 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> The style of music you find so "correct" today was criticized 
> precisely the
> same way when they wrote it to beer hall and dance music that was
> "contemporary" at the time.
>
> This is a silly debate.
>
> Permit me be terse because I need to be outside working rather than
> pounding on this keyboard ...
>
> The reality is that there is not a shred of evidence that the style of
> music has anything whatsoever to do with spiritual maturity.
>
> I have served in churches across the full spectrum of musical styles
> and Bible translations, and traditional everything vs "newfangled"
> methodologies and can state without fear of successful contradiction
> that most of that (if not all of it) is irrelevant to spiritual maturity.
>
> In the counseling/psychology world a study was done to discern
> which was the most effective methodology, Freudian psychotherapy,
> Jungian, Rogerian, etc.  The result was that the method was irrelevant,
> it was the practitioner that made all the difference.
>
> Unless the shepherd and the deacon/elder leadership is modeling
> spiritual maturity nothing else matters.
>
> I'll take headbanger street-rock with a spiritually mature leadership
> over "Washed in the Blood" and a tradition-is-god leadership any
> day -- and I believe that the Lord will stand with me on that.
>
> Remember, it was the tradition-is-god religious leaders who hung
> Jesus on the Cross and persecuted His people ...
>
> Now where did I put that recording of Onward Christian Soldiers?
>
>
Pastor David, I totally understand where you're coming from.
Please do not think that I am entrenched with the 'hymns-only' crowd 
(even though I can clearly sympathize with them as well...), and I do 
not begrudge any church's choice of musical style.

My complaint is simply that so much music that passes as modern 
christian worship today appears to be largely anemic and devoid of the 
devotion and maturity you speak of.
Perhaps the rockabilly duo I had the pleasure of hearing in church that 
Sunday *were* spritually mature individuals with the Holy Spirit 
leading, directing and empowering.
Was it a coincidence that they were singing of being Washed in the Blood?
I wonder...

Besides, they weren't straight hymns, they were singing and playing in 
Rockabilly style which has been considered among the roots of rebellious 
music for decades, so it is apparent to me that (as you mentioned) the 
STYLE has less to do with it than CONTENT and INTENT.
As for the 'head-bangers', I confess I listen to my fair share of 
'christian rock' for the very same reasons I am looking for the hymnal 
performances I requested, and I have personally found greatest pleasure 
in hearing those groups that make Jesus Christ their banner and foundation.

It has been apparent to me for most of my mere 10 years as a (real) 
Christian that there is a great divide between "Christian Music" and 
"Christians performing music", and my complaint is that there seems to 
be more of the latter than the former, including Sunday mornings.

-Eddy

P.S. When you find your Onward Christian Soldiers, would you shoot me an 
mp3?
;)
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Wed Apr 28 23:08:53 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:08:53 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Wed Apr 28 22:40:12 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On 04/28/2010 10:06 PM, Eddy Martin wrote:

[snip]

> It has been apparent to me for most of my mere 10 years as a (real) 
> Christian that there is a great divide between "Christian Music" and 
> "Christians performing music", and my complaint is that there seems to 
> be more of the latter than the former, including Sunday mornings.

That's about the way I see it. Further, I can't stand a steady diet of 
"modern" music at all on the radio. Fortunately, we don't have that in 
our services.....we have hymnals and we do use them. ;)

Fred

-- 
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people,
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From satimis at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 28 23:51:58 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:51:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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Hi folks,


Where can I find a collection of:

1)
Hymn sung by church choir

2)
Hymn composed by famous classic composes such as Handal, Bach, etc. and sung by church choir

3)
Video re Hymn sung by Church choir


Instead of googling on Internet and YouTube


TIA

B.R.
satimis


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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Wed Apr 28 23:58:18 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:58:18 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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OK, I've got one for y'all.  Rejoice Broadcast Network out of Pensacola
http://www.rejoice.org

They used to have a repeater here in Cheyenne WY that would make drive time
a pleasure... but since their repeater got booted and the "oldies" station
switched from 50s/60s to 70s/80s, turning on the car radio just leads to
depression.  At least I can pick up RBN online!

Shalom,
*PBS*
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Thu Apr 29 00:00:36 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:00:36 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: FYI: Copiers and your security! A MUST read!!
Message-ID: <4BD90464.4040702@lightlink.com>

I'm sending this to you because I never knew that copy
machines typically have a hard drive that stores an image of
everything the machine copies. It'll blow your mind.

Imagine what is on a copy machine at a COPY
store!......KINKO's.......etc.... FYI. for all who use
copiers. MUST WATCH!

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6412572n&tag=related;photovideo

-- 
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people,
except for a few public officials." -- George Mason

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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Thu Apr 29 01:26:28 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 01:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On 04/28/2010 12:00 PM, Preston Boyington wrote:
> Eddy Martin wrote:
> <snipped>
>
>> WOW!
>> Thanks Preston, that's just what I was looking for.
>> I'll post back if I find anything particularly uplifting.
>
> not a problem.  just remember 'your mileage may vary' as far as 
> selection goes.  :)
>

I'll check them out as well....THANKS!

Fred

-- 
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people,
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From webservant at trinitybclaramie.org  Thu Apr 29 01:31:06 2010
From: webservant at trinitybclaramie.org (Peter B. Steiger)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:31:06 -0600
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Instead of googling on Internet and YouTube
>
>
I don't mean to sound sarcastic Stephen (it comes naturally without trying),
but that's like asking "Where can I open a savings account besides a bank".
If you want to find videos quickly, Youtube is the place to start.  If
you're looking for CDs and DVDs to buy, Amazon is as good a place as any,
but I'd still probably go google with "hymns" + "dvd" (or whatever).  Maybe
if you give us a better idea of what exactly you want to find, I can give
more detailed suggestions on where to find it.

Shalom,
*PBS*
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From ken at wa3fkg.com  Thu Apr 29 08:17:43 2010
From: ken at wa3fkg.com (Ken Sprouse / WA3FKG)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:17:43 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] OT: FYI: Copiers and your security! A MUST
	read!!
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I agree this is a story worth being aware of and following.  Here is some
additional information.  I listen to a weekly podcast called Security Now
with Steve Gibson of Gibson Research and this subject came up on this weeks
show.  Here is a transcript of what was said and a url where you can
download the entire show if you like.

http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

<http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm>
GIBSON RESEARCH CORPORATION http://www.GRC.com/

SERIES: Security Now!
EPISODE: #245
DATE: April 22, 2010
TITLE: The Security of Open vs. Closed
SPEAKERS: Steve Gibson & Leo Laporte
SOURCE FILE: http://media.GRC.com/sn/SN-245.mp3
FILE ARCHIVE: http://www.GRC.com/securitynow.htm


LEO:  Great.  Shall we start with the security news?  I bet there's a little
bit to talk about.

STEVE:  It was a hopping week, Leo.  CBS did a report which was really
rather scathing.  You can find it on YouTube if you're curious.  What they
revealed in an investigative journalism piece was that nearly every digital
copier sold since 2002, so that's the past eight years, contains a hard disk
drive which, for reasons that surpass understanding, maintains an image of
every document that the machine has scanned or faxed for you.  And these
machines are often leased by companies for some period of time.  When the
lease is up, they want the newer model.

LEO:  Right.

STEVE:  So some guy comes in and wheels in the new one and wheels out the
old one.  The old one goes into a warehouse.  And this CBS story showed a
warehouse containing thousands of sort of wrapped-in-plastic, sort of
shrink-wrapped copiers.  At the time the story was being done, two large
containers, as in shipping containers that go on huge transatlantic ships...

LEO:  Oh, the freighters, yeah, yeah, yeah.

STEVE:  Yeah.  Two of those huge containers were being filled up with
copiers, headed for Argentina and Singapore.  Now, the investigators
purchased for, I think it was maybe three or $400 each, four of these used
copiers and took them to a forensics guy, who used freely available
software, opened them up, took out the hard drives.  And they found
literally tens of thousands of documents.

One of the copiers had been in a police station for the duration of its
life, where it had scanned police records, driver's licenses, tax receipts,
tax records, I mean, the list of documents that they recovered was
mindboggling.  One of the other of the four copiers had been at a health
insurance company for its duration, where they recovered all the documents
that the scanner had seen, which for some reason were stored dutifully on
this hard drive.  And they found reams of personally identifiable
information, medical records, health records, social security numbers, I
mean, everything you can imagine.

And so here was four randomly sampled copiers out of a huge warehouse.  One
of the employees during this story said, "Oh, yeah, we're getting copiers in
all the time."  And they said, "Well, where are those two containers going?"
 "Oh, one's off to Argentina, and one's off to Singapore.  They buy our used
copiers."

LEO:  Hard drive and all.

STEVE:  Hard drive included.  And one of the - I guess it might have been -
it was someone, I think it was from Canon, was interviewed, one of the
executives, who explained that, oh, well, yeah, we tell people, you know,
that their documents are being stored in this thing.  And for an extra $500
there's an encryption option.  But apparently not everyone gets that.  And
it's not even clear what it would do or how it would work.  And frankly, I'm
mystified by what function it is that requires a digital copier to store
documents.

LEO:  Well, you could see there'd be short-term storage, maybe because it
speeds up the scan, scans it in.

STEVE:  Well, exactly.  And then you want, like, okay, we need 20 copies of
this.  So you feed it in once, it stores it on the hard drive, and then it
dumps it out to its little, essentially a laser printer that's built into
this thing.  But have them expire after a day or after an hour.  I mean,
what's the point of storing every document you've ever scanned?  And are
they accessible through the control panel?  I've not seen where you're able
to somehow browse through past documents.

LEO:  It's bizarre.

STEVE:  That would be an obvious security and privacy concern.  So it's like
this thing is hiding these documents for some reason.  And anyway, so...

LEO:  What about, like, Kinko's?  If you use a public...

STEVE:  Yeah.

LEO:  ...copy place, presumably that's all being stored, as well.

STEVE:  Yeah, I mean, I can't say one way or the other which technology does
or doesn't.  But, I mean, this seems to be a huge, unrecognized privacy
problem where these copiers really do need to have their hard drives
scrubbed before they leave, and of course that would kill the copier.  So
the idea is, when your lease is up, you don't want to...

LEO:  Scrub.

STEVE:  Well, yeah, you can't kill the function of the copier.  Presumably,
if you did run DBAN or something against the drive...

LEO:  Oh, I see, yeah.

STEVE:  ...it would render the copier nonfunctional.  It probably boots off
that hard drive, as well.  So...

LEO:  What's a digital copier?  What is - how would you, I mean, how would
you know if you had a digital copier?  What is that?

STEVE:  It's probably any recent copier which is running a scanner and is
able to do fancy things, like resize or duplex or uncollate, all those
different things.  You're going to have to store the scanned images
somewhere.  Clearly they're not storing it in RAM any longer.  They're
putting it on a hard drive.  So, I mean, I would imagine that - and in the
story I recognized these as WD hard drives, which are well known for many
years as being very inexpensive in large OEM quantities.  And so I could see
the label on the drive going, oh, yeah, it's a WD hard drive, Western
Digital.  And those are in copiers, apparently.  That's just the way they
operate now.  [Indiscernible] red flag.

LEO:  That's very interesting.  Very interesting.


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>wrote:

>  I'm sending this to you because I never knew that copy
> machines typically have a hard drive that stores an image of
> everything the machine copies. It'll blow your mind.
>
> Imagine what is on a copy machine at a COPY
> store!......KINKO's.......etc.... FYI. for all who use
> copiers. MUST WATCH!
> http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6412572n&tag=related;photovideo
>
> --
> "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people,
> except for a few public officials." -- George Mason
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net
> http://www.thelinuxlink.net/mailman/listinfo/linux4christians
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>


-- 
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From lists at deksai.com  Thu Apr 29 19:40:42 2010
From: lists at deksai.com (Chris)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] marked as a spam source, how to fix?
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> "Your message was held for moderation because SpamAssassin gave the
> message a score of 3.6 for the following reasons: DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS,
> FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS"

I'm a little surprised that it would be using DNS_FROM_OPENWHOIS.  That might
be jacking up your score more than it needs to be.  That rule has been removed,
so if that is a recent reply, they need to update their rule set.
http://www.dnsbl.com/2009/08/status-of-blopen-whoisorg-dead.html

Regardless, they have their threshold set pretty low too.

Do you have trouble sending anywhere else?  With spamassassin being as
pervasive as it is, I'd think that you'd hit trouble elsewhere too if there
were a real problem.

From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Thu Apr 29 23:44:50 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:44:50 -0500
Subject: [Linux4christians] Genesis 8:17-20 (Friday)
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From satimis at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 01:03:44 2010
From: satimis at yahoo.com (Stephen Liu)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:03:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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Hi Peter,

What I'm searching for is something similar to the index of a Hymn book on Internet.  On the same I can refer to the Hymn which I like.  It is time consuming to google the Hymn on the hard copy Hymn book.  Besides I can remember the name of all Hymn.  Thanks


B.R.
Stephen




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From: Peter B. Steiger <webservant at trinitybclaramie.org>
To: Linux for Christians <linux4christians at thelinuxlink.net>
Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 10:31:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Linux4christians] Music

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Instead of googling on Internet and YouTube
>
>
I don't mean to sound sarcastic Stephen (it comes naturally without trying), but that's like asking "Where can I open a savings account besides a bank".  If you want to find videos quickly, Youtube is the place to start.  If you're looking for CDs and DVDs to buy, Amazon is as good a place as any, but I'd still probably go google with "hymns" + "dvd" (or whatever).  Maybe if you give us a better idea of what exactly you want to find, I can give more detailed suggestions on where to find it.  

Shalom,
PBS


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Ah!  Try this:
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/

Shalom,
*PBS*

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Stephen Liu <satimis at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> What I'm searching for is something similar to the index of a Hymn book on
> Internet.  On the same I can refer to the Hymn which I like.  It is time
> consuming to google the Hymn on the hard copy Hymn book.  Besides I can
> remember the name of all Hymn.  Thanks
>
> B.R.
> Stephen
>
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From pastordavid at bibleseven.com  Fri Apr 30 22:48:27 2010
From: pastordavid at bibleseven.com (Pastor David)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 21:48:27 -0500
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From fmiller at lightlink.com  Fri Apr 30 23:31:23 2010
From: fmiller at lightlink.com (Fred A. Miller)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:31:23 -0400
Subject: [Linux4christians] Music
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On 04/30/2010 02:01 AM, Peter B. Steiger wrote:
> Ah!  Try this:
> http://www.cyberhymnal.org/

Thanks!

Fred

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