[Linux4christians] OT: Requiem For A Republic
chris at adebenham.com
Thu Feb 19 19:03:49 EST 2009
2009/2/20 Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>:
> Chris Debenham wrote:
>> 2009/2/20 Fred A. Miller <fmiller at lightlink.com>:
>>> Sergio Belkin wrote:
>>>> 2009/2/19 Ben Thorp <THORPB at uk.ibm.com>:
>>>>>>> And please, everybody we're poor sinners, be rightist, leftists,
>>>>>>> anarchist, minarchits, and so on.
>>>>>> There are political groups and government systems that are more moral
>>>>>> than others. Yes we are all sinners, but the chinese version of
>>>>>> communism is encouraging the massive infanticide that is occurring in
>>>>>> China. The countries under Islamic law allow the murder of women for
>>>>>> adultery after they have been rape, or the wholesale slaughter of
>>>>>> Christians. Just because God judges ultimate judgement comes down to
>>>>>> none of us are worth without the blood of Christ, does not mean that
>>>>>> we should apply a moral equivalence to all ideologies.
>>>>> I think we should make a distinction between political systems in theory,
>>>>> and political systems in practice, because they are very different things.
>>>>> Communism in itself isn't inherently bad or immoral
>>> I just spotted this one! WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!! It's immoral from it's roots!
>> I disagree strongly with that statement. Communism is a human
>> invention and is not inheritly good/evil. It's implementation may be
>> (and generally is) but it is possible for communism to work with God
>> being the centre. For instance in early-mid monasteries there was a
>> form of communism that worked quite well - but it only works if all
>> parties are doing it for the right reason and are willing to surrender
>> some of their will to another - in the case of the monasteries they
>> surrendered to God. Sadly in the outside world there are too many
>> with their hearts in the wrong place and way to much corruption.
>> Democracy may not be the 'best' form of government in theory, but it
>> certainly is in reality as it can have a quite strong set of checks
>> and balances to reduce the damage done by our sinful nature.
>> I think you are confusing the 'theory' with the 'practice' of
>> communism in your statement.
> Ok....I'll make it easy for the sake of argument. "It's impossible for
> it to remain without being Marxism in any nation today." There....that
> cut to the chase. NO nation is moral enough to have what you claim is a
> workable moral system known as "communism." I disagree with what you
> think it is, but I'm running very short on time.
To rephrase for readability "It's impossible for communism to work
without it becoming Marxism in any nation today"
That I agree with, but perhaps we can take the good bits from all
different areas of political thought in order to help the government
work at it's best
> The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
> people's money.
> - Margaret Thatcher
George Burns - "I would go out with women my age, but there are no
women my age."
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