[Linux4christians] OT: Requiem For A Republic

[Fred A. Miller]

Legatus wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:19, Sergio Belkin <sebelk at gmail.com> wrote:
> <clipping>
>> OK, for you democrats are one of the big problems of USA, aren't they?
> 
> I see the democrats as an enemy of the Church and free speech. I don't
> see republicans as a solution. Enforcing our constitution is the only
> hope, and that isn't happening.

Correct....it's the ONLY proper answer for gov't.

>> I agree partially with you here. I think that aid only should be asked
>> and accepted when the honor of the needy country is not damaged. Sadly
>> most of the times either evil politicians from the needy country or
>> evil politicians of strongest country make aid a way of domination.
>>
> 
> Proverbs 22:7 The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave
> to the lender.
> 
> Credit destroys people and countries. I think the calamity that our
> country is seeing right now shows that fairly well. And of course
> solving credit problems with credit will only dig a deeper whole with
> a newer shovel.

It's a tool being used by liberals to bring about MUCH, MUCH more
control by the Fed. Gov't.

>> Sadly, USA governments most of times have supported in the past
>> oppressive in order either to stop communism advance or to obtain some
>> advantage...
> 
> Countries have to choose their path. Choosing to accept aid means you
> are accepting the conditions. Knowing that aid is only so the US or
> anyone can defeat a common enemy, usually means that the money
> disappears after the enemy is satisfactorily subdued. I won't pretend
> that I would be happy about receiving money if I were a citizen of
> certain other countries. The right people to be upset with our the
> leaders in the receiving country for borrowing the money or receiving
> it with all its strings.  Just as we vote someone in or out of office
> based on their actions or record. Other systems require revolution to
> remove the head, and until the people have the resolve to fight that
> revolution, they are slaves to their leaders.

Yes, whether communism or a hairbag like in Venezuela.

>> Yes China, and some (not all) islamic countries commit many sins. In
>> the same way, many innocent childrens have died on Irak because US
>> army bombardment. I don't believe that the "End justify the ends". In
>> fact many christians believe that Capital punishment is unethical and
>> on many it's performed on many USA states. I don't believe that some
>> murders be better o more  than others.

No, there's no difference. But, no matter how hard to try, there are
going to be civilian causalities in any war. It's unavoidable.

> Murder is a legal definition of killing done by a person against
> another. Capital punishment and war are not murder. The Bible clearly

Correct!!

> uses different language when discussing these things. I also don't
> accept that civilian casualities are bad. War is waged between
> countries, and no government of a country stays in power long if the
> people have decided it should fall. lack of action by the people leave
> totalitarian and oppressive governments in place. I do not claim that
> I would have that resolve, but say it is as much my fault as anyone's
> that I might live under such a regime, thus I am also a party to any
> war my country wages. I am not outraged that terrorist targeted an
> office building, but it was war they declared on that  day, and war is
> what was brought to them. To target unarmed civilians who pose no
> threat does nothing of value, and morally reprehensible in my opinion,
> but to put our soldiers at greater risk to avoid civilian causalities
> when in a fire fight with the enemy in an urban area is equally
> reprehensible to me.

Correct!

>> But bear in mind that as rightist = nazi as leftist = atheist | communist
> 
> I don't accept that. The nazi's were not a conservative regime. They
> came to power by means of a populist movement.  I am libertarian in
> philosophy or a classical liberal. I believe the state has little role
> in my daily life unless I or my property is being harmed, or I am
> doing so to others.  The difference being a facist government and a
> communist government is small when you view the impact on the people.

Right again! When there's a boot on your throat, it matters not what the
label on the boot is.

> The core problem is those who come from America (and others) Left's
> philosophy start with ideas that are atheistic in nature.There is no
> creator, and no ultimate moral authority. For a world to be moral it
> requires adequately powerful men with the right ideas to be in power,
> and to enforce a humanistic philosophy and morals.  The Nazis had all
> the trappings  of humanistic philosophy with a little pagan mysticism
> sprinkled in.  In the modern era all these ideas are bolstered by
> Darwin's origin of species.

Another "nastiness" of the Nazis and one which the liberals like to
ignore, is homosexuality!

> I place political ideas on  a circle, not a line when I envision the.
> One point is complete freedom, and on the other is some form of
> totalitarianism (military, dictator, communism, facism, etc) If you
> move too far from freedom in any direction, you will get to
> totalitarianism. This is because to enforce any principle, a
> government must take greater and greater power, and as they take more
> power they use it. Even the most altruistic of men given unfettered
> power will be corrupted.

Power IS all-corrupting. This why we were founded as a Republic, CHAINED
DOWN BY A CONSTITUTION!

Fred

-- 
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.
  -  Margaret Thatcher