[Linux4christians] OT: Requiem For A Republic

[Legatus]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:19, Sergio Belkin <sebelk at gmail.com> wrote:
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> OK, for you democrats are one of the big problems of USA, aren't they?

I see the democrats as an enemy of the Church and free speech. I don't
see republicans as a solution. Enforcing our constitution is the only
hope, and that isn't happening.

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> I agree partially with you here. I think that aid only should be asked
> and accepted when the honor of the needy country is not damaged. Sadly
> most of the times either evil politicians from the needy country or
> evil politicians of strongest country make aid a way of domination.
>

Proverbs 22:7 The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave
to the lender.

Credit destroys people and countries. I think the calamity that our
country is seeing right now shows that fairly well. And of course
solving credit problems with credit will only dig a deeper whole with
a newer shovel.

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> Sadly, USA governments most of times have supported in the past
> oppressive in order either to stop communism advance or to obtain some
> advantage...

Countries have to choose their path. Choosing to accept aid means you
are accepting the conditions. Knowing that aid is only so the US or
anyone can defeat a common enemy, usually means that the money
disappears after the enemy is satisfactorily subdued. I won't pretend
that I would be happy about receiving money if I were a citizen of
certain other countries. The right people to be upset with our the
leaders in the receiving country for borrowing the money or receiving
it with all its strings.  Just as we vote someone in or out of office
based on their actions or record. Other systems require revolution to
remove the head, and until the people have the resolve to fight that
revolution, they are slaves to their leaders.

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> Yes China, and some (not all) islamic countries commit many sins. In
> the same way, many innocent childrens have died on Irak because US
> army bombardment. I don't believe that the "End justify the ends". In
> fact many christians believe that Capital punishment is unethical and
> on many it's performed on many USA states. I don't believe that some
> murders be better o more  than others...


Murder is a legal definition of killing done by a person against
another. Capital punishment and war are not murder. The Bible clearly
uses different language when discussing these things. I also don't
accept that civilian casualities are bad. War is waged between
countries, and no government of a country stays in power long if the
people have decided it should fall. lack of action by the people leave
totalitarian and oppressive governments in place. I do not claim that
I would have that resolve, but say it is as much my fault as anyone's
that I might live under such a regime, thus I am also a party to any
war my country wages. I am not outraged that terrorist targeted an
office building, but it was war they declared on that  day, and war is
what was brought to them. To target unarmed civilians who pose no
threat does nothing of value, and morally reprehensible in my opinion,
but to put our soldiers at greater risk to avoid civilian causalities
when in a fire fight with the enemy in an urban area is equally
reprehensible to me.

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> But bear in mind that as rightist = nazi as leftist = atheist | communist

I don't accept that. The nazi's were not a conservative regime. They
came to power by means of a populist movement.  I am libertarian in
philosophy or a classical liberal. I believe the state has little role
in my daily life unless I or my property is being harmed, or I am
doing so to others.  The difference being a facist government and a
communist government is small when you view the impact on the people.
The core problem is those who come from America(and others) Left's
philosophy start with ideas that are atheistic in nature.  There is no
creator, and no ultimate moral authority. For a world to be moral it
requires adequately powerful men with the right ideas to be in power,
and to enforce a humanistic philosophy and morals.  The nazis had all
the trappings  of humanistic philosophy with a little pagan mysticism
sprinkled in.  In the modern era all these ideas are bolstered by
Darwin's origin of species.

I place political ideas on  a circle, not a line when I envision the.
One point is complete freedom, and on the other is some form of
totalitarianism (military, dictator, communism, facism, etc) If you
move too far from freedom in any direction, you will get to
totalitarianism. This is because to enforce any principle, a
government must take greater and greater power, and as they take more
power they use it. Even the most altruistic of men given unfettered
power will be corrupted.



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JD Runyan


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