[Linux4christians] OT: Requiem For A Republic
sebelk at gmail.com
Thu Feb 19 11:41:37 EST 2009
2009/2/19 Ben Thorp <THORPB at uk.ibm.com>:
>> > And please, everybody we're poor sinners, be rightist, leftists,
>> > anarchist, minarchits, and so on.
>> There are political groups and government systems that are more moral
>> than others. Yes we are all sinners, but the chinese version of
>> communism is encouraging the massive infanticide that is occurring in
>> China. The countries under Islamic law allow the murder of women for
>> adultery after they have been rape, or the wholesale slaughter of
>> Christians. Just because God judges ultimate judgement comes down to
>> none of us are worth without the blood of Christ, does not mean that
>> we should apply a moral equivalence to all ideologies.
> I think we should make a distinction between political systems in theory,
> and political systems in practice, because they are very different things.
> Communism in itself isn't inherently bad or immoral
I agree the general conception of communism is bad.
(although that will
> depend on which of the communist proponents you follow, of course), but it
> just happens that in practice communist states have had some problems. I
> know that some would argue that, for instance, Guatanamo Bay was an evil
> thing, but we don't suggest that this is somehow a direct result of the US
> political system.
Exactly, what kind of christianism can support Guantanamo Bay?
> It would also appear that, for some here, socialism and communism are one
> and the same thing, which is equally untrue.
I agree it seems so... and beyond communism (from Marx) is not
compatible with christianism, stalinsm it's not the same.
> When it comes to states under Islamic law, that is, again, not necessarily a
> political system. You can have a democratically appointed government that
> enforces Sharia law.
> The biggest problem with politics and government is that it is always
> developed and implemented by people. And people are inherently flawed. The
> only saving grace in the whole thing is the knowledge that God is in control
I agree and it's the most important thing that we should agree :)
> - He is the one who has allowed people into positions of power, and we know
> we can trust Him, even if we don't necessarily trust those in power.mln xen
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