[Linux4christians] OT: Thatcher quote
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Sun Feb 15 22:48:38 EST 2009
Just a note, I enjoy these discussions. Please don't confuse passion
for anger. Not that you have.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 19:59, Sergio Belkin <sebelk at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with you. But believe me, I (and many people outside of USA)
> know something more that what it can be watched on TV.
I have no doubt, and have met many. My second point was that many
with well thought out opinions are working from a bad set of
assumptions. My first was that in the same way the assumption that
the U.S. is so insular that its people are unaware of anything outside
of the U.S.
> But of course you know a lot of internal details of USA that only can
> be known living there. Juneau is different that Miami, isn't it?
> By the way is fair to acknowledge that not all from arab countries are
> terrorists :)
Not sure how that is relevant to this particular conversation. To say
that international terrorism in the last few decades is almost
exclusively a business for Arab Muslims is true. That statement does
not support the corollary that all Arabs, or all Muslims, or all Arab
Muslims are terrorists. It is simply saying that international
terrorists appear to be a subset of the larger group Arab Muslims.
The statement is statistically accurate, but subject to change with
the tides of human politics.
> In many aspects I agree with you about of policy. Also, you surely
> know that outside of USA there is a greate hope about Obama. It's
> interesting to read different opinions about it from people living in
I would hope so, or people aren't paying attention. As a matter of
fact all American Presidents should engender hope and fear from the
World. Any country as powerful (economic, media, military, etc) as the
U.S. is potentially the greatest hope and greatest risk to those who
> But inner freedom should be along with respect self-determination of
> other countries. I don't want (and believe me, many people outside of
> America) an unilateral worldwide policeman notwithstanding I (and
> believe me again, many outside of America) hate different kinds of
It may not sound fair, but I believe that the U.S. should take care of
herself first. Now being politic with other nations plays a role in
this, but to do so for the other nation has generally proven foolish
in the long run, because everyone else is looking out for themselves.
This is however different than meddling in other countries for
purposes that extend beyond the government purview that mentioned
before. Considering that limited scope, most of what the U.S.
government does internationally is superfluous to its constitutional
mandate, and should be discontinued whether it is beneficial or not.
It is none of my business whether your country is free or not. It is
my business when your countries activities touche my borders. This is
the same rule of thumb that many U.S. constitutional experts imply
when they say "Your rights end where my nose begins."
>> Freedom is hard and dangerous, not everyone has
> >the stomach for it. I understand this, but it doesn't mean its not
> >worth fighting for.
> That's true.
>> JD Runyan
>> Joan Rivers - "Never floss with a stranger."
Fred Allen - "California is a fine place to live - if you happen to
be an orange."
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