[Linux4christians] Ex-Muslim's college speech disrupted by arson.

[David Kuntadi]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln at mnsi.net> wrote:
>  The biggest problem that I have with that position is that God makes
> pains to reveal Himself and His will, so reading between the lines
> accuses Him IMO of hiding His intent, which I really don't see surported
> by the texts in question.

Nope, God does not reveal himself in text. It is forbidden to teach the
secret of Kingdom of Heaven to public.
So, it would never be written in text!!!

Mat 13:10  And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest
thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11  He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto
you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is
not given.
Mat 13:12  For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall
have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken
away even that he hath.
Mat 13:17  For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous
men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen
them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

But Jesus clearly forbid his disciple to reveal the Mystery of Kingdom
of Heaven:

Mat 7:6  Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye
your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and
turn again and rend you.

Not only that, even if any of them want to write it, the Mystery was
not completely reveal yet then:

Joh 16:12  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them
now.

The same rules apply to old testaments.


>  Good question, but He ordained the symbol for people to look at, not
> worship.

And trust by looking at the serpent brass could heal them? Come on, use your
common sense ....

>  Why did He even create us knowing that we would sin and die without
> Him?  I can only assume that He knows better, even when we go astray of
> what He tells us, and desires for us.

As expected, a pathetic explanation of a simple fact. It is only a serpent
brass having healing power, very common in ancient religion practice. But to
answer your question, I would use borrow Buddhist teaching to explain Bible
stand:

Buddhism itself generally ignores the question regarding the origin of life.
The Buddha regarding the origin of life has said "Conjecture about [the
origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be
conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who
conjectured about it."[7], and in regard to ignoring the question of the
origin of life the Buddha has said "And why are they undeclared by me?
Because they are not connected with the goal, are not fundamental to the
holy life. They do not lead to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation,
calming, direct knowledge, self-awakening, Unbinding. That's why they are
undeclared by me."[8]. The Buddha also compared the question of the origin
of life - as well as many other metaphysical questions - to the parable of
the poison arrow: a man is shot with a poison arrow, but before the doctor
pulls it out, he wants to know who shot it (arguing the existence of God),
where the arrow came from (where the universe and/or God came from) why that
person shot it (why God created the universe), etc.

The bible was never really want to explain WHY God create the world, or even
HOW God create the world.

>  Logic is normally supported by evidence, and as some have noted, the
> evidence is not present in the texts.

The evidence is people are healed by looking at the serpent brass, loud and
clear:

Num 21:9  And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it
came to pass, that* if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the
serpent of brass, he lived*.

The text never said "and trust God" or whatsoever, just *beheld the serpent
of brass*.

DK
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://www.thelinuxlink.net/pipermail/linux4christians/attachments/20091218/36224be8/attachment-0001.html>