karl at kleinpaste.org
Tue Dec 15 00:35:45 EST 2009
Dave Powell <newsybits at gmail.com> writes:
> Another comment re alcohol. It is said that Jesus used alcoholic wine
> at the passover. Not so, as He would have violated the law. At the
> Passover the Jews were not allowed to have yeast even in the house.
The claim is an absurdity on its face. By the time it's alcohol, it is
no longer yeast. It has the chemicals in it that used to be yeast, but
if that's enough to condemn a man, then on that basis one would condemn
all humanity as cannibals because umpty-'leven generations ago, a man
fell over dead and unburied in a field that was planted with wheat
centuries later long after the body had decomposed to dirt.
> if you want to approve of it you need some other text to do so.
 He provides grass for the cattle,
and crops for people to cultivate,
so they can produce food from the ground,
 as well as *WINE* that makes people feel so good,
and so they can have oil to make their faces shine,
as well as food that sustains people's lives.
The word translated "wine" in v.15 is H3196, yayin (יין):
"From an unused root meaning to effervesce: wine, as fermented".
The LXX supports this equivalently with its use of G3631, oinos (οινος),
which is simply referred back to H3196.
> interesting that where ever the alcoholic type wine is spoken of it in
> the negative but when ever wine is spoken of it is positive.
Ps 104 is a litany of all the good stuff God does for us. The reference
to wine in v.15 explicitly refers to fermented content.
If you want to disapprove of it, you need some other text to do so.
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