[Linux4christians] Baptists (was Re: Ex-Muslim's college, speech disrupted by arson.)

[Fred A. Miller]

On 12/14/2009 08:28 AM, l4c wrote:
> Dave Powell wrote:
>> Another comment re alcohol. It is said that Jesus used alcoholic wine
>> at the passover. Not so, as He would have violated the law. At the
>> Passover the Jews were not allowed to have yeast even in the house.
>> They were even ordered to remove it outside for the night. Now is
>> that enough to stop Christians from drinking the stuff? Maybe not but
>> if you want to approve of it you need some other text to do so. It is
>> interesting that where ever the alcoholic type wine is spoken of it
>> in the negative but when ever wine is spoken of it is positive. Don't
>> necessarily read alcohol when reading wine.
>> Merry Christmas all
>> Dave
>> Kind regards
>> Rev Dave Powell (Home) Ph No. 07 4635 0204 or 0405 450 259
>> Bible Methodist Church - Kilcoy
>> www.thebmca.org <http://www.thebmca.org>
>>
>> President Darling Downs Christian Conventions Inc
>>
>> Be kinder than necessary. Everyone you meet is fighting some kind of
>> battle.
>> You never know when a moment and a few sincere words can have an
>> impact on a life for a life.
>
> I am not going to invest a lot into this conversation and probably
> will not even reply any further, however, I believe that this entire
> idea of non alcoholic wine is complete malarkey.  Wine is wine and
> grape juice is grape juice.  You also have to remember that thousands
> of years ago, there were no refrigerators and fermentation was not
> only a way to *keep* your beverage, but, it was a way to have
> something safe to drink a well as fermentation kills off a lot of
> harmful bacteria.
Correct. Further, fermentation HAD to have already started in the juice
within 24 hours due to the lack of refrigeration.
>
> As for this whole Jewish thing, I grew up in NY with quite a few of
> them and saw first hand (taken from wikipedia):
>
> Four cups of wine
>
> There is a Rabbinic requirement that four cups of wine (or grape
> juice) are to be drunk during the seder. This applies to both men and
> women. The Mishnah says (Pes. 10:1) that even the poorest man in
> Israel has an obligation to drink. Each cup is connected to a
> different part of the seder: the first cup is for Kiddush, the second
> cup is connected with the recounting of the Exodus, the drinking of
> the third cup concludes Birkat Hamazon and the fourth cup is
> associated with Hallel.

Correct! It's also important to note that before Prohibition, protestant
churches from one end of the country to the other served wine for
communion. Even though they could have continued doing so, most decided
not to because they wanted to support to movement to removing drinking
from the public.

All of you may want to read up, again, references in Scripture about
wedding celebrations. Note, the ONLY thing condemned in Scripture is
drunkenness.

Fred

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