[Linux4christians] Baptists (was Re: Ex-Muslim's college, speech disrupted by arson.)
tbutler at ofb.biz
Sat Dec 12 15:47:42 EST 2009
On Dec 12, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Pastor David wrote:
> Who told you that?
> Where is it documented?
> Which seminaries are teaching this new view of religious
I've never heard anyone (other than you) claim a universalist
perspective on Arminius, so I'd say the burden of documentation falls
to you (seriously -- I don't mean that as an attack).
I can say I've read plenty of books on the subject and NEVER has ANY
of them claimed Arminius was a universalist. I hold a degree in
Religious Studies and never heard that claim, and why would a secular
program distort Arminius to make him sound "worse" -- it'd make more
sense to argue he was a pluralist... Likewise, I attend a Reformed
seminary and it NEVER claims Arminius is universalist. Universalism is
actually contrary to the point of Arminianism and its emphasis on free
Are you sure you are not confusing the Arminian understanding of
prevenient grace with saving grace?
Feel free to respond to my questions on how you alternately handle
things to avoid the alleged false philosophies most Christians hold. I
mean this with all due respect, but I don't think it is fair to attack
the majority of believers as holding heretical doctrines and not even
really bother to provide a substantiated claim or Biblical alternative.
A good starting point for a better dialogue, I think, would be to
start on sola Scriptura. I see no evidence the Reformers felt this
meant that nothing outside of Scripture was useful. Nor, do I see any
Biblical support for that. If my assumption here is true, then the
first attack on Calvin (and, for that matter, Arminius) would likewise
Surely we can disagree without broad brush painting pf large portions
of Christianity as heretical, can't we?
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