[Linux4christians] Ex-Muslim's college speech disrupted by arson.

[Fred A. Miller]

On 12/07/2009 08:32 AM, l4c wrote:
> David Kuntadi wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Fred A. Miller
>> <fmiller at lightlink.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/06/2009 09:45 PM, David Kuntadi wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>        Yes (but Jesus is a human, not divine in the Muslim view). It
>>> is also
>>> worth noting that during the earlier years, Islam was less militant
>>> than it
>>> is now, encouraged centers of learning that studied philosophy,
>>> classics,
>>> etc. and so on. Thomas Aquinas, for example, was deeply indebted to
>>> Muslim
>>> philosopher Averroes whom he referred to as "the Interpreter" for
>>> his work
>>> on the interpretation of Aristotle.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are two problems here:
>>>
>>> 1. If Jesus is not accepted as God in Quran, why Quran accepted that
>>> Jesus would come and judge the world?
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok......SHOW me, in the Quran where it says that. I already KNOW it
>>> doesn't!
>>
>> I said, Quran accepts Jesus as the Judge of the world:
>>
>> http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/043.qmt.html#043.061
>>
>>
>> 043.061
>> YUSUFALI: And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of
>> Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me:
>> this is a Straight Way.
>> PICKTHAL: And lo! verily there is knowledge of the Hour. So doubt ye
>> not concerning it, but follow Me. This is the right path.
>> SHAKIR: And most surely it is a knowledge of the hour, therefore have
>> no doubt about it and follow me: this is the right path.
>>
>> So, why doas Quran accept Jesus as Judge of the world?
>>
>> DK
>
> Why are we even discussing the validity of a book which is so
> obviously a fiction?  To better our understanding, and give us a way
> to speak to and spread the true gospel?  To that end:
>
> The Quran repeatedly makes reference to Jesus only being another prophet:
> "Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the
> messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of
> truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His
> signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from
> the truth!" (5:75).
> "He [Jesus] said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me
> revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I
> be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He
> has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So
> peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day
> that I shall be raised up to life (again)!' Such was Jesus the son of
> Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
> It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a
> son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it,
> 'Be,' and it is" (19:30-35).
>
> Unfortunately for them (the Muslims), even secularly speaking, the
> historical accountance provided in the Bible (not the Quran) has been
> proven to be the most historically correct record of the time that we
> have.  In fact, everywhere it _can_ be proven to be accurate, it has
> been proven to be accurate, from archaeological findings (existence of
> cities and their locations) to historical accounts of people and
> places cross referenced with texts of other secular historians of the
> time period.
>
> Why does that matter?  Well, because if we accept that the Bible as a
> more accurate historical record, we have to accept that what is in
> there as accurate too.  And, in the Bible, Jesus says:
>
> Jn.5:37: "And the Father himself, who sent me, has borne witness of
> me. You have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.."
>
> Whoa?!  Not just a prophet, but *THE* SON OF GOD!
>
> John 14:6: Jesus said to him, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life.
> No one comes to the Father except through Me.
>
> Nope, don't follow anyone else..  Not even Muhammad.
>
> What the Bible does not have Jesus as saying is that he is just a
> prophet and to go and follow Muhammad.

GOOD job, Linc.....THANKS, now I've got to get ready for work.

Fred

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