[Linux4christians] Re: NIV Bible for Linux (off list topic)

[Lincoln Fessenden]

Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
> Lincoln Fessenden <l4c at thelinuxlink.net> writes:
>> You are making excuses.
> 
> You are making self-justifications.

I am not making any justifications for myself whatsoever.

> Now that we've traded childish insults, can we move on to adult discussion?

Childish insults?  I have simply maintained that *I* believe the Kjv to 
be a superior translation.  I have also said several times that I also 
believe other translations to be useful as well.  Or did you miss that 
part over and over again?  Am I not allowed to have my point of view 
that the Holy Spirit is the actual translator/teacher of the scriptures 
because it conflicts with what you believe?

>> Given that Christians would also be reading it with the benefit of
>> having the Holy Spirit present, it would, therefor, be that much
>> easier to grasp.  You are selling both God and people *way* short here.
> 
> What I'm "selling" (hmph) is the idea that I will not manufacture an
> extraneous, unneeded, and artificial stumbling block in front of blind
> men.  Given a man with a certain level of interest in learning about
> this faith of ours, and a choice to offer that man either an
> antiquated and ridiculous¹ grammatical structure -vs- a modern
> translation that utilizes numerous more of the ancient sources for the
> benefit of resolution of all manner of translational difficulty, the
> answer to "Which shall I use?" goes without saying.
> Yes, the Holy Spirit leads.  So, will I dare to stand arrogantly in
> the Holy Spirit's way, by making the path from the blind man's present
> place to the one he needs to reach _yet more rocky_?  Certainly not.

I fail to see how your Bible preference, and make no mistake, it's YOUR 
preference, has anything whatsoever to do with a stumbling block for 
someone else, especially someone you have considered to be "blind" to 
the truth anyway.  It's not your preference for a translation that will 
sway them, but God's Love.

>> I worked with gang bangers, muggers, homeless on all levels, rich
>> and poverty stricken.
> 
> Son, don't presume to lecture me.  You're exchanging email with a man
> who spent years inside the fence of FCI Elkton.  Don't feed me any
> $#!+ about "working with."  I *lived* there, and unless you did the
> same, you are absent a context from which even to begin to speak.

Do not ever disrespect me by calling me son.  I have had no intentions 
of disrespecting you, and I expect the same in return.  I respect that 
God has chosen to call you to be a pastor.  He chose to do the same for 
me but before you decide to get in a pissing contest about backgrounds, 
you should know there is always someone out there that came from 
somewhere worse off than you.

> For a grounded Christian with a reasonable grasp of English, KJV is
> fine for study.  This is especially true for those wishing to put
> serious language tools to use (Strong's and more).  But I "work with"
> a metric buttload of people who are neither yet well grounded nor who
> are at _all_ literate.  Speak to me of how *you* will compel the Spirit
> *to work harder*, with men who have failed GED exams multiple times.

I do not compel the spirit to do anything.  He said in the bible that he 
would.  This is the same God that has in previous times allowed mere men 
to speak in the tongues of men and angels.  Also the same God that 
allowed people to prophesy.

> You make your choice; I've made mine.  Mine is indeed well-grounded.

Yes, you have chosen to accuse a fellow brother and Christian Minster 
and Pastor of making childish self-justifications and insults.  You have 
tried to push your point of view as somehow correct because of your own 
seedy (pre-Christian I hope) past.  AND you have accused me committing 
some kind of wichcraft by asking how I would compel the Holy Spirit to 
do anything (more of an insult to God than I even).

You should indeed be ashamed of yourself.  I rebuke you in front of your 
peers.  It's very unfortunate that I do indeed run into people such as 
yourself who find it necessary to get nasty during the course of these 
discussions always causing some kind of scene and pissing contest and 
spouting "you don't know who you are talking to".  Well, I, in fact, 
know exactly who I am talking to when those kinds of things pop up.  We 
all do.

-- 
-Linc Fessenden

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